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TATIME:
You can continue misquoting my statements but until you're able to present a REPLACEMENT for JW.org,i'll say see you later!

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TATIME:
I'm not giving you excuses my friend, i'm just telling you the PRACTICAL APPLICATIONS of what you've been MISQUOTING. KNOWLEDGE is "the accumulation of useful information" that you can get anywhere but WISDOM is "the practical applications of accumulated information for lasting benefits" i'm sorry my friend you can only get that in no other place but in Jehovah's organization so keep searching for pure worship until you're able to present a BETTER organization in replacement of JW.org!

Wow.. I'm sure you're so scared of researching about the organizations involvement in politics with the UN. The GB thinks for you and they've told you all websites apart form jw
org are apostate websites. Lol.. another sign they are hiding things.

You just don't want to beleive it can happen.
You keep omitting that part of my question.
I know how it feels. I was once like you until I discovered those things i know now.
It can be so devastating getting to know these at first.

TATIME:
Good! So go and join them in worshiping "tha Lord" and forget about Jehovah's Witnesses because to us there is just ONE God ONE faith and ONE baptism (Ephesians 4:3-6) resulting in ONE single organization. And if you're not worshiping in that organization we're sure that you're not worshiping our own God period!

According to you bro.. Even if we sense false teachings in our religion we should still stay back and wait for Jehovah to correct things right?

Look at watch our watchtower says


''10. What should be our position regarding false religion?

10 What position should true worshippers take regarding Babylon the Great? In no uncertain terms, the Bible commands: “Get out of her, my people, if you do not want to share with her in her sins, and if you do not want to receive part of her plagues.” (Revelation 18:4) Those who want to be spared must get out of false religion before it is too late. When on earth, Jesus Christ foretold that in the last days, many would merely claim to follow him. (Matthew 24:3-5) To such ones, he says: “I never knew you! Get away from me, you workers of lawlessness.” (Matthew 7:23) The now enthroned King, Jesus Christ, has nothing to do with false religion.''
w06 3/15 pp. 27-31


I guess this doesn't apply to those in the organization that wants to leave because they don't beleive in the teachings again.
Another example of double standard by watchtower
You don't want people to talk bad about the org but the org can talk bad about other good Christians out there.

Peace bro

TATIME:
You just keep amusing me my friend. The Bible said a Bishop should be BLAMELESS not PERFECT! Meaning he should exact himself vigorously to remain chaste in all respect and not to become PERFECT without errors in doctrinal issues or organizational arrangements because even the first century Apostles made MISTAKES in this respect but each of them remains blameless as in not committing fornication,adultery,stealing and so on! If you surely want to know the truth as you put your profile name it is as EASY as Akam and Moimoi!

Youre Funny bro.. You just keep bringing up excuses

This same article by watchtower said the bishop/priest should be removed since they are no more good examples to the flock. But i guess that doesn't apply to the GB.

Besides you keep evading my question about the GB involvement with the UN. What excuse do you want to give me?

TATIME:
The Bible is clear that the power to perform signs,see visions,speak in tongues and do other spectacular things will stop amongst TRUE Christians and that it will only remain the LOVE to continue been obedient to the organization that will remains! 1Corinthians 13:8-13 Truly this happened and it was a gradual process until the completion of the Bible so that TRUE Christians must have to hope,believe and endure no matter the mistakes those taking the lead in God's organization makes! 1Corinthians 13:4-7 Did you hear Apostle Paul saying about the Christian LOVE? So if you're not ready to be a Christian suit yourself, but know that a dedicated Christian will continue to be obedient and submissive to those taking the lead in God's organization! We're Jehovah's Witnesses, whoever is not with us is FREE to take his/her leave because we stand on what Jesus said that the LOVE (mentioned later by Apostle Paul) of many TRUE Christians will grow cold and many will leave but Jesus said whoever ENDURES to the end will be saved. Matthew 24:10-13 Meanwhile the work Jesus commanded will continue to be done by who? Of course by those who REMAINS with God's organization. Matthew 24:14 And then! And then!! And then!!! THE END(of all these wicked system of things) WILL COME! So be FULLY prepared to take your stand!

Remove the word free from the organization. You can't leave the org less you risk been shunned. Where's that freedom of worship then? Yet the organization benefits from the freedom of worship granted them by the US and other countries. Another form of hypocricy.

Who are the true Christians you're referring to exactly? Please answer

Do you mean its only the Jws that preach?

If that was the case, what accounts for the growth of other religions and Christianity becoming the largest religious group globally? Can the largely unknown message distributed by 8 million Witnesses really be thought of as having more relevance to Jesus prophecy than the spread of Christianity by Catholics that has resulted in over 1 billion members?


Both Mormons and Seventh-day Adventists started at a similar period of time as the Watchtower Society and have similar numbers of members due to their active preaching. Seventh-day Adventists successfully preach the good news, including at peoples homes. See the following quote from the Seven Day Adventist Church Manual:

"Our highest responsibility is to the church and its commission to preach the gospel of the kingdom to all the world." Chapter 13

Paul shows that not every Christian would actively evangelise.

Ephesians 4:11-12 "And he gave some as apostles, some as prophets, some as evangelizers, some as shepherds and teachers, with a view to the readjustment of the holy ones, for ministerial work, for the building up of the body of the Christ ..."

Christian groups that do not have a door to door ministry often contain well organized evangelical programs. For instance, a group renowned for their preaching efforts are Baptists. Baptists have the most missionaries of any religion. In 2004 there were 7 million Baptists out side of America, 600,000 baptisms and 21,000 new churches. In 2004 Witnesses baptised only 200,000 globally. Interesting information on the significant efforts of Baptist missionaries can be viewed at internationalministries.org and namb.net.

TATIME:
They thought over 8,000,000 dedicated individuals from different countries,tribes,tongues,cultures and traditions across the globe are just following the GB blindly without a good reason. When the RULES prayed and agreed upon by the BODY binds on all members. I wonder what they're thinking with their brains, after seeing it black and white in the Bible that the same thing happened in the first century when the Apostles prayed and concluded upon issues yet they still made mistakes later whereas whoever raises his/her tongue against those faithful men will never see everlasting life! Well they're sons of disobedience that's why they're restless not knowing where to go yet calling those who are happily following God's anointed servants to abandon pure worship for NOTHING!

Look at what you're saying? Look at what your watchtower says!



The Watchtower, July 1st 1996 Issue, Page 7:

''The Church Leader Should Be Without Fault”

''A bishop must be blameless.” The word “bishop” comes from a Greek word meaning “overseer.” Thus men who are appointed to take the lead in the true Christian congregation must live up to basic Bible standards. If they do not, they must be removed from their position of oversight, since they are no longer “examples to the flock.” (1 Peter 5:2, 3) How seriously is this requirement taken by Christendom’s churches?''

Do you now know more than the GB?
God bless you

Another one!!


''The Watchtower, March 1st 1998 Issue, Page 4:

Several prelates have followed the pope’s example. In December 1994 the Italian newspaper Il Giornale reported: “Many American bishops appeared on television and publicly asked forgiveness.” For what? For underestimating the problem of pedophile priests, to the detriment of many young victims. In January 1995 the newspaper La Repubblica reported on “a gesture unprecedented in the history of contemporary Catholicism”—the problem of Pope Pius XII’s silence in connection with the Holocaust was addressed. In January 1995 the same newspaper reported that the German episcopate asked forgiveness for the “many faults” of Roman Catholics who supported the crimes of the Nazis. Various Protestant churches have also subjected themselves to self-criticism.

Why?

The Bible encourages us to ask forgiveness when we are at fault, and many applaud the churches when they subject themselves to self-criticism. (James 5:16) But why are the churches doing this? How should it affect the way we view them?


Is the roman catholic not even better than the Jws condemning them when the Jws themselves hide child abuse cases?''

TATIME:
If anyone wants to become a TRUE Christian, you must first know that ONLY Jehovah is perfect and that you can't trace to notice HIS mistakes. Even Jesus the ONLY begotten son of God made mistakes but if you're not very attentive you can never notice it because Jesus always correct Himself IMMEDIATELY! Why because He is the FIRST born of God. Unlike other faithful servants of God who do make mistakes and won't realize it until much later to correct it Jesus will correct Himself quickly before an imperfect mortal man could notice it. So if you're looking for a perfect set of Apostles with no mistakes of organizational directives or doctrinal matters, then you better forget about Christianity because those whose ACTS were recorded in the Bible surely made several mistakes yet the SPIRIT is saying "whoever wants to worship God ACCEPTABLY must obey them" And that never implies that God will now approve several forms of worship simply because those in charge of HIS people made mistakes NO! HE will rather go angry with great rage against anyone who defies HIS chosen ones. So what must a honest hearted person searching for pure worship do? You only need to IDENTIFY God's organization and try as much as possible to remain loyal to HIS arrangements because HE will not approve all forms of worship neither can you find PERFECT persons handling or shepherding HIS congregation. God bless you!

You sound so hypocritical bro

Look at what a watchtower article said


The Watchtower, July 1st 1996 Issue, Page 7:

How Does God View Christendom's Worship?

No doubt, many priests live morally chaste lives, but a large number do not. According to the 1992 Britannica Book of the Year, the Roman Catholic Church was reported to have paid out $300 million to settle cases of clergy sexual abuse.

[...]

“The Church Leader Should Be Without Fault”

THIS expression is from Titus 1:7, according to Today’s English Version. The King James Version reads: “A bishop must be blameless.” The word “bishop” comes from a Greek word meaning “overseer.” Thus men who are appointed to take the lead in the true Christian congregation must live up to basic Bible standards. If they do not, they must be removed from their position of oversight, since they are no longer “examples to the flock.” (1 Peter 5:2, 3) How seriously is this requirement taken by Christendom’s churches?

In his book I Care About Your Marriage, Dr. Everett Worthington refers to a survey of 100 pastors in the state of Virginia, U.S.A. Over 40 percent admitted to having engaged in some form of passion-arousing conduct with someone who was not their marriage partner. A large number of them had committed adultery.

“Over the past decade,” observes Christianity Today, “the church has been repeatedly staggered by revelations of immoral conduct by some of its most respected leaders.” The article “Why Adulterous Pastors Should Not Be Restored” challenged the common practice in Christendom of quickly restoring church leaders to their former positions after they have been “convicted of sexual sin.”

TATIME:
Thank God you agreed that even those who were SPIRIT FILLED and ANOINTED made serious mistakes and some of Jesus' disciples defied them! Everyone today will say "i agreed that those first century Apostles were anointed" but is it not after they are gone and you're now reading about them in the Bible that you agreed? What about most of their contemporaries who decided to turn their backs on the Apostles? What do you think made such first century Christians to turn their backs on the Apostles? Could it have been due to the OBVIOUS frequent mistakes made by this first century Apostles that triggered such disobedience? I'm asking all these questions because it was also recorded that many of those who followed Jesus while He was still on earth later turned their backs on the Apostles and don't forget that Jesus said whatever those imperfect 12 bind or loosen on earth will also be bind or loosened in heaven! Moreover it's evident that Jesus' statement in Matthew 16:18-20 was not heard by everyone EXCEPT those 12. So do you think a Christian who wasn't present to hear Jesus utter such speech of authorization would continue following those imperfect 12 after noticing their mistakes? God bless you!

With all what you've written, you're saying that you beleive the GB are the only anointed ones/ Gods channel which God uses today out of the over 8 billion people on earth. Are you comparing the anointed apostles to the GB today? Lol
Even with the ever changing doctrines that has caused a lot of innocent lives. Would the holy spirit inspire a set of people to write down things theat would lead to thousands of peoples death?

I asked you for the evidence that the Governing body is inspired by the holy spirit. None!

I showed you the bibles command for christians to submit to higher authorities(government) which the organization directed by the GB has failed to adhere to by covering Child abuse cases. This same organization criticized the catholics in the 1980s so bad in their publications because of this same child abuse cases. Isn't that hypocricy?

Are you telling me the GB now have the same power the apostles had back then? Everyone then knew the kind of power the apostles had. Its their choice if they chose to disobey or speak against them. Stop bringing up that baseless excuse. People have talked against God himself.


Stop evading my questions.
Answer this in particular- What do you think about the GBs involvement with the UN as an ngo?

OneJ:
What U put up here is not about "waking up" ,(whatever that means), but your hatred & malicious. bitterness for Jehovah's people is your motivation for this half truths & lies U pasted here.

Evil seeds of Korah. "Physically in mentally out just for the family." That's the trait of a coward. (Na who U think say U wan deceive?) In your delusion, Moses was leading a cult because the Isrealites couldnt think for themselves. Hence, Korah & others, "They rose up against Moses" Numbers 16:1-50.


In your evil heart, Jesus too lead a cult because he taught his followers to copy his example & "eat the flesh of the son of man & drink his blood.... because of this many of his disciples went off" John 6:41-71.
Keep deceiving yourselves.


Because Jesus ate with sinners, he gave Judas Iscariot a warm hug & patted him on the back for a job well done.

In the past & to this day,Jehovah's organization has no place for rebels, slanderers & crooked people who put up pretences.


Jehovah saved only Noah & his family during the great deluge.
Jehovah God is not fascinated by large numbers.

Evil seeds of Korah, oya scram & get lost !!

Well, thats that coignitive dissonance in you speaking. I wouldn't expect better.
You have no evidence to prove those claims up there are false. You advice others(Christendom) to research their religion But you're so scared to research yours. If you're so sure you have the truth why are you so scared of researching those claims.''

Do you know the bible admonished us to examine our religion?
1 John 4:1 - 
"Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, for many false prophets have gone out into the world."
But the organization says its wrong to resaerch other websites except Jw.org. Or even listen to other Christians point of view.


"Jehovah God is not fascinated by large numbers."
Wow! Go check out the "there are many more with us than against us" banner your organization just made.(I can show you proof if you want)
Isn't it meant to be the opposite according to your statement? Lol

Peace bro

TATIME:
You have asked so many questions in just one single post but i'll attend two perhaps later we can treat the others. First let me assure you that Jehovah has never used a perfect person to lead HIS people before, all those who lead the organization right from the time of Noah till date are imperfect humans. When they make mistakes in organizational directions or doctrinal issues God remains silent but punishes whoever raises a tongue against them. An example is the first century Christian congregation, Jesus taught them that they shouldn't concentrate on solving the problems caused by poverty because "they'll always have poor ones amongst them" John 12:8 compared to Deuteronomy 15:11 But these INSPIRED and SPIRIT ANOINTED Apostles committed a grievous blunder by trying to strike a balance between the rich and the poor Christians! They just don't want poverty to continue been a problem for their beloved fellow believers. Of course God never stopped them rather they learnt their lesson the bitter way as a Christian couple died in the process and that was the end of that arrangement! They stopped it immediately. Please were they not INSPIRED? Were they not SPIRIT FILLED? Why are you still reading what they wrote or considering it as inspired up till today? Again is Peter. Jesus pointedly said whatever Peter binds on earth will be bound in heaven,Peter allowed Satan to use him(Matthew 16:22,23) he denied Jesus three times(Luke 22:61) he striked someone with sword after all that Jesus taught them about been harmless ( John 18:10,11)he spread a rumor that Apostle John will never die(John 21:20-23) after baptism by the spirit Peter misled Jewish Christians into conforming to old Jewish customs (Galatians 2:11-14) Upon all of these Jesus' words to Peter remains "whatever you bind on earth will be bind in heaven" Matthew 16:15-19 So do you think whoever speaks a word against Peter or the team of Apostles simply because they erred will be awarded or rewarded right? Numbers 12:1-16 Secondly do you remember that a dedicated JW believes he/she must love his/her fellow believer just as Jesus loves them and not as he loves himself/herself! John 13:34,35 Meaning a JW must be willing to DIE for his/her Christian brother or sister,then if that is the case why are you so surprised that these people claiming TRUE Christians are told NEVER to report their fellow believer to the authorities? Well for your information, the Jewish high court in the first century declared Jesus wanted and you'll remember the name and what happened to the Apostle who helped these men in AUTHORITY to catch Jesus! Believers will always remain believers it doesn't matter what you think or say about them,so my friend if the authorities say "report offenders to us" and i'm ready to die like Jesus did for my fellow Christian brother or sister who is not even confirmed as a criminal but just a SUSPECT think of whom to liken me Judas Iscariot who handed "suspected Jesus" to the Jewish Authorities or Jesus who died to save His brothers in the faith! Matthew 12:48 compared to John 13:34,35 18:8,9 God bless you!

I'm glad you said those apostles were anointed which no one can doubt that. God also spoke to Noah no doubt. So speaking against those that you mentioned was bad why? because they were ''ANOINTED'' by God. We have evidence in the bible to prove all that.

Is the Governing Body the Faithful and Discreet Slave as they claim to be and if they are, what power or responsibility does that convey to them?

Taking a look at the account of Jesus’ parable of the faithful slave found at Luke 12:41-48. There were four slaves. One that turns out to be faithful, one that turns out to be evil by lording his power over the flock, a third that gets beaten many times for willfully ignoring the Lord’s commands, and a fourth that gets beaten also, but with fewer lashes because his disobedience was due to ignorance—wilful or otherwise, it does not say.

Notice that the four slaves are not identified before the Lord returns. At this present time, we cannot say who is the slave who will get beaten with many strokes or with few.

The evil slave declares himself to be the one true slave before the return of Jesus but ends up beating the Lord’s servants and indulging himself. He gets the harshest judgment.

The faithful slave does not bear witness about himself, but waits for the Lord Jesus to return to find him “doing just so”. (John 5:31)
As for the third and fourth slave, would Jesus blame them for disobeying if he had laid a command on them to obey without question some group of men he’d set up to govern them? Hardly.


Is there any evidence Jesus commissioned a group of men to govern or rule his flock? The parable speaks of feeding not governing. David Splane of the Governing Body compared the faithful slave to waiters who bring you food. A waiter doesn’t tell you what to eat and when to eat it. If you don’t like the food, a waiter doesn’t force you to eat it. And a waiter doesn’t prepare the food. The food in this case comes from God’s word. It does not come from men.

How could the two final slaves be given strokes for disobedience if they were not given the means to determine what was the Lord’s will for them. Obviously, they have the means, for we all have the same word of God at our fingertips. We only have to read it.

In Acts, the apostles courageously said, “We must obey God as ruler rather than men.” Does the GB believe that? No. If an elder were to make such a statement or use that as a defense for not believing or following anything from the GB, they would be removed or DF’d for daring to defy the organization.”

mikeolu1:
The number of JW kept decreasing. Most EU countries now have -ve growth.
Kingdom Halls are now sold left right and center.
True Christianity is not supposed to decline.
Did you wonder why the GB discontinue production of the Yearbook!

It was read in the KH this week that each publisher would donate a special amount that they decide. Or the congregation should decide amongst themselves and come up with an amount to pay. (Worldwide)
How's that different from other religions that pass their donation envelopes or boxes?
The watchtower is busy paying moneyto victims of child abuse that had lawsuits against them and they really need money now. But they would never come out clean to the members. Such a hideous organization.

mikeolu1:
Education and research is the enemy of every cult.
For you defenders of JW, pls do research of the organization using even its own publications and you will be woken up to reality that you have been lied to.

You're right.. So many contradicting words in the publications. Thats why the organization had advise the elders to destroy or do away with older publications. You won't even find those publications on the Jw website or library.

Its easy to debunk the organization using just their own publications.

achorladey:
The funny aspect of the that article is many do not think of the term "Governing body" when the article is discussed. When there is a "governing body" automatically you have a "government". When there is "government" "politics" and "politicking" is inevitable. The over 8M Jws out there will never know the kind of politics played out there at the HQ not to talk of the numerous ones played at the congregational level with numerous positions at stake for the "Elders" to greed and fight over.

I agree with you on this.
I saw videos of how the organization sent some people that have been serving in bethel for years without even notifying them earlier. With most of them having no jobs or degrees to fall back to.
The governing body encourages us not to seriously chase material things but fully be in active service to Jehovah(the org). Even going as far as advicing people to quit their jobs to serve Jehovah.
But GB member steven lett at a broadcast show was seen wearing an expensive rolex watch estimated to be over $15,000 and other jewelries.
Its sad so many people especially we Afticans in the organization have been terribly brainwashed and its gonna take something big to happen before most of them can be awake.

TATIME:
You don't know the meaning of what i mean by the word "TRUSTED"! First let me tell you that i'm from a muslim family, most of my family members are Muslims so it's no problem for me to say no to whoever calls himself/herself a Christian. So what exactly made me a JW? When you hear the word TRUSTED it doesn't conveys what most people had in mind as in COMPLETE TRUST because God's word says "do not put your trust in earthling man" Psalms 146:3,4. The trust we're talking here simply means someone who has the heart of trembling at the mention of the divine name,such a person has feelings and shortcomings, pressures from anxiety and fears of other pressing needs. Romans 7:21-25 But they have one common goal with you:they're eagerly waiting for the time when God will put an end to all these wickedness! Remember the wickedness began with just one single act of disobedience in the garden of Eden,leading to selfish interest. God is not going to punish people for wrongdoings but for lack of submission to HIS sovereignty because that is what led to all these! We're imperfect so we can fumble at any time,what God demands from us is acknowledging our sinful condition and willingness to make needed amendments. David was the king in Israel, he was supposed to be a frontier in the battle against the enemies, he however stayed back at home,he knew the law said a soldier mustn't have sex until all other soldiers are back home with their families since they're doing what he supposed to do as a soldier, yet he kept admiring a naked woman from the top of his palace, he called someone else to inquire about the NAKED woman, he decided to sleep with her despite knowing she's another man's wife and that the husband a foreigner fighting for Israel in the battle against those who are his own (Uriah's)people. Yet David had the woman brought to his palace and slept with her,when she sent a message that she's pregnant David not knowing how to abort such pregnancy due to their limited knowledge back then sent for her husband in an effort to get him sleep with the pregnant wife to cover his(David's) adulterous act,the man still obedient to the rules of soldiers refused to go home knowing how subducting his wife could be,David gave him a letter containing his own death sentence and later took the obedient man's wife for himself! After all of these listen to what God called David later in Ezekiel 34:23. There God likens David to Jesus! Please HE does not keep account of injury because to HIM you and i are DEAD as Adam's offsprings(Matthew 8:22) for you to become a living in HIS sight you must forget whatever wrong a fellow worshipper did to you just like Uriah who knew something was fishing yet obeyed till death. I tell you that David and Uriah will be resurrected to exchange pleasantries in God's kingdom because they both trusted God's judgment whereas many demanding JUSTICE now even when Jesus has told us we can't get it will perish forever, why? Because they failed to believe in the ONLY BEGOTTEN SON OF GOD who told us that believers must forgive fellow believers on all grounds! Matthew 18:21-35 God bless you!

I'm glad you quoted Psalms 146:3. Does that also apply to the earthly GB? Especially since they've always changed their doctrines and never admitted the old doctrine was wrong but keep using the word new light. Do you know what God said about prophets that speak words that he did not command them to speak? Deut 18: 20-22

''If any prophet presumptuously speaks a word in my name that I did not command him to speak or speaks in the name of other gods, that prophet must die. 21 However, you may say in your heart: “How will we know that Jehovah has not spoken the word?” 22 When the prophet speaks in the name of Jehovah and the word is not fulfilled or does not come true, then Jehovah did not speak that word. The prophet spoke it presumptuously. You should not fear him.’'

The GB claims to be inspires by the holy spirit and they are Gods only channel in this word. But there have been so many false prophecies about the end of the world from them. Can the holy spirit of God inspire someone with wrong words? The bible says Gods word never change. Do you beleive that bible verse applies to the GB?



So in one word you agree that brothers wrongdoings should be covered up in the congregation? Amazing!!

Elders can cover child rape cases but will not hesitate to disfellowship a girl for sleeping over at a mans house without any evidence of them having sex. Isn't that amazing?
So the organization covers child abuse cases just to keep the organizations name clean. But they can say all sort about the catholics or other religions concerning all what happens in their churches.

Do you remember the bible told us to subject or rather obey the authorities(government) 1 Peter 2:13-25.
Isn't the organization disobeying bible instructions then bu covering up child abuse cases in the congregation.
Concerning forgiveness i know we are all imperfect and that there are bad eggs amongst good eggs. Its not wrong to forgive anybody.
But atleast the organization should do the appropriate thing by reporting the case to the authorities whether the victim has forgiven the offender or not. The organization is just trying to save face. They try as much to hide every bad things happening in the organization to make them look good and draw in more members.
The ARC video where a GB lied under oath was not uploaded on the jw website. Don't you see they try as much to hide things.
Most

But if the child abuser is not a Jw. Then the brother can report to the authorities right?. The brothers can easily report an outsider to the officials but are adviced to leave things to Jehovah when an insider commits a very terrible crime.
Wheres the love?
Do you know most people are threatened by the elders if they choose to report to the authorities. Yes they can be reproved for doing that.

What's your opinion about the GB involvement with the UN from 1991-2001?

Peace be with you sir

TATIME:
John 6:66-68 compared to Act 2:41 So "soja go soja come"often happens in Christianity right from the time of Jesus and His faithful Apostles. The fact remains that many just don't want to be submissive in the first place( Ephesians 5:6)therefore leaving an organization that's championing complete trust and obedience to an invisible PERSON like Jehovah (whose representatives are imperfect mortal men like you and i) is an EASY way out! 3John 9,10

Its just like saying a child should be submissive to a father that says to his child ''do not smoke'' because smoking is bad but the father himself smokes a lot. Do you expect that child to want to be submissive?
Same as many that left the organization learnt about the organizations double standards. How do you expect them to be submissive to such an organization?
Most people in are still blindfolded. Let them learn the truth about the truth and see if they would still want to be submissive.

TATIME:
There is just one single thing you missed in all of these! You should know as an intelligent creature that as humans we're not created for isolation so we need trusted and reliable companions or friends with whom to share reasonable thoughts. JW organization has given more than 8,000,000 individuals from different countries throughout the earth that opportunity of having such a global family of like minded believers. So before you can say anything worth considering as in a change of heart for a dedicated member of the organization, you must first have a BETTER group to present as another option! Simply telling someone who finds joy and happiness in association of brotherhood that where he/she belongs is wrong without presenting a better option is tantamount to telling a naked man who keeps himself warm in a little hut to leave the cover only to come out and stay in the open icy cold weather in Norway! Please try to present a better organization or group because that was exactly what Jesus did for Jews whom He said were like herds of skinned sheep without a shepherd! God bless you Sir.

You mentioned trusted friends. So a brother that abuses a young girl in the congregation is also a trusted and loving brother. Or is it the so called loving brother that scams his fellow brother without any form of remorse. Beleive me we JWs are highly hypocritical even though when we get to the KH we put on a loving and beautiful smile. But the actions of some people are even worse than those we call ''Christendom'' or part of the world.
The same Jws can listen to any kind of secular hiphop musics but once it comes to christian musics(Christendom) then they would never sing such even though it serves to praise God and Jesus. They rather sing Olamide and small doctor. Some even use them as ringtones. Isnt that hypocricy?

I'm not here to argue with anyone. But are you saying the organization is the only loving organization in the world? Are you saying one cant be happy without being in the organization?

We try to tell other people about the wrongs or false teachings in their religion and we would be happy or want them to leave their religion to ''The truth'' but according to your logic now one should stay in the organization even if they find some wrongs in the organization because of the so claimed conditional love.

Jesus said he is the way, the truth and the live. Are you saying one cant gain salvation without the organization? Or does that mean those that leave the organization simply because they dont beleive in its teachings anymore would be destroyed?

Concerning the banning of jw activities in Russia. Do you know that Atheists which we refer to as antichrists and the US which is suppose to turn on the Jws are now supporting the Jws against the russian govts. People like VP Pence and Donald trump are now supporting the JWs in Russia.
Isnt that a false prophecy according to the Revelation book?

rottennaija:
Yes, it cannot, But it requires effort. Brock by brick, slowly but steadily. Many people realize this 20, 30 years ago. We called them apostates, but it didn't deter them. Today, many are waking up to see that those small voices that the organization trampled in were indeed real and true.

Slowly but steadily, slowly but steadily

Youre right.. So many are waking up.
Anyways.. i rest my case for now
Be safe brother

rottennaija:
I understand the feeling, besides, watchtower is deeply involved in politics even till today, just in ways Jws are not aware. Lobbying, UN, (though not running for political office).

Yea.. im aware of their other political involvements
Im beggining to think there is something more to the organization. The mind control is really strong
The truth cannot be hidden forever from people

rottennaija:
Yes, I understand exactly how it feels. For about 2 years, I was Physically in mentally out. Each month that passes by became so depressing, until the reason for attending the meetings were no longer there. I simply stop and faded.

It good you came to the realization today that most of your believew were illusion. For some people, it took decades, for me it took about 15 years. Below is an extract about his own experience.

"Admittedly, the association with the congregation filled somewhat of a vacuum that had existed in my life, and the activity I began to engage in gave a sense of direction to my life. These things without question exerted an influence. Yet the fact is that I did believe it.

The way in which the material was presented, the argumentation used, caused me to believe I was learning “the truth.” Today I ask myself, “How? Why?” That the argumentation was and is seriously flawed is clear to me. I do not feel any sense of credit for now discerning that. The evidence was there all along. So there is certainly no cause for pride when considering that it took me nearly forty years of my life to come to the realization of the error. The effect is decidedly more one of humiliation than exaltation. Others saw many of these flaws considerably before I did, simply through their study of Scripture" - Ray Franz in his book, In search of Christian Freedom, page 443

Cant wait to be fully out. Its soo depressing sitting in those meetings listening to things you dont beleive in anymore or the hypocritical teachings.
Last sundays study talked about separating ones self from the word and politics. But lowkey watchtower was once a member of the UN.
I was fuming in the hall.. couldnt even raise my hands to answer a question cos i knew what most of them sitting in that hall didnt know.

rottennaija:
You are welcome to this side of life... Now wait and see how you will be called 'apostate' for asking questions or trying to use your head to read and understand the Bible.

Thank you.. Well, blame it on years of indoctrination.

I had to create a new moniker for this.

I think so many people are waking up in the organization. I myself just woke up too. Those defending the JWs and the organization with their soul, i was like that also. I think you should keep in your mind psalms 146:3. We shouldnt put our trust in princes nor any man who cant bring salvation. The organization has a lot of doctrines that have been changed consitently which they refer to as new light. If the GB claims to be inspired by the holyspirit then their doctrines shouldnt change because the bible says Gods word does not change. The one that got me was the watchtowers membership with the united nations. The watchtower definitely had no excuse for that because theyve consistently referred to the UN as babylon the great. Besides that, the elders have a secret book(Sheperd the flock of God book). According to the book, elders can coverup their own sins and still be elders in the congregation, the two witness rule in child rape cases and more.

The governing body takes bible passages out of context for their own selfish reasons.

Besides, a governing body member actually lied inder oath at the ARC(Australian royal commision) concerning the child rape cases.

Also the disfellowshipping rule is non-biblical and very inhumane. Which shows that the Jws love is conditional. They would all shun you immediately you dissasociate or when youre disfellowshipped.
This has broken so many families and even led some to commiting suicide.

Not only is the watchtower associated with the UN but also with the OSCE which is affliated with the UN.


That is why the governing body keeps telling the members that they should not lookup any other site apart from jw.org

They have also discouraged young ones from getting higher educations because they know an educated person would think critically(not all though) even though.
So to my fellow brothers thinking this is the perfect organization, you still have more to know about this hideous organization.

I cant even ask the elders this questions or prove anything to them as it might cause me to get shunned by my family. The GB requires unquestionable obedience from all its members less you face the consequences.

Dont forget how many people the no blood rule has killed. But now the governing body says receiving some blood components gotten from blood are now okay. Imagine how families that have lost a loved one to the no blood rule would feel. This is the same organization that did not allow vaccines and organ transplant in the past also leading to the death of many.

Less i forget was also the politics the GB played in the Mexican-malawi scandal leading to thousands of death of witnesses in Malawi.

For those willing to research, i would say you look up the organizations history also which would show you that this organization is based on a pagan origin. Because CT Russell was a freemason and he used freemason symbols on early watchtowers.
Jws say birthdays are bad because they are based on pagan worship, but why do they use wedding rings? Dont they know wedding rings originated from paganism. Same with so many occasions they do.
But yet the hypocrisy in this organization is so alarming.
Im tired of writing.

I couldnt butress on all this points. MAKE RESEARCH ON THESE POINTS because they are true.
I actually wished they werent true first time i made my research with my heart beat rapidly beating. Turns out they were true because non refutable evidences were given.

Note- Im presently PIMO(Physically in mentally out) just for the family.


Jwfacts.com
http://beroeans.net

I had to create a new moniker for this.

I think so many people are waking up in the organization. I myself just woke up too. Those defending the JWs and the organization with their soul, i was like that also. I think you should keep in your mind psalms 146:3. We shouldnt put our trust in princes nor any man who cant bring salvation. The organization has a lot of doctrines that have been changed consitently which they refer to as new light. If the GB claims to be inspired by the holyspirit then their doctrines shouldnt change because the bible says Gods word does not change. The one that got me was the watchtowers membership with the united nations. The watchtower definitely had no excuse for that because theyve consistently referred to the UN as babylon the great. Besides that, the elders have a secret book(Sheperd the flock of God book). According to the book, elders can coverup their own sins and still be elders in the congregation, the two witness rule in child rape cases and more.

The governing body takes bible passages out of context for their own selfish reasons.

Besides, a governing body member actually lied inder oath at the ARC(Australian royal commision) concerning the child rape cases.

Also the disfellowshipping rule is non-biblical and very inhumane. Which shows that the Jws love is conditional. They would all shun you immediately you dissasociate or when youre disfellowshipped.
This has broken so many families and even led some to commiting suicide.

Not only is the watchtower associated with the UN but also with the OSCE which is affliated with the UN.


That is why the governing body keeps telling the members that they should not lookup any other site apart from jw.org

They have also discouraged young ones from getting higher educations because they know an educated person would think critically(not all though) even though.
So to my fellow brothers thinking this is the perfect organization, you still have more to know about this hideous organization.

I cant even ask the elders this questions or prove anything to them as it might cause me to get shunned by my family. The GB requires unquestionable obedience from all its members less you face the consequences.

Dont forget how many people the no blood rule has killed. But now the governing body says receiving some blood components gotten from blood are now okay. Imagine how families that have lost a loved one to the no blood rule would feel. This is the same organization that did not allow vaccines and organ transplant in the past also leading to the death of many.

Less i forget was also the politics the GB played in the Mexican-malawi scandal leading to thousands of death of witnesses in Malawi.

For those willing to research, i would say you look up the organizations history also which would show you that this organization is based on a pagan origin. Because CT Russell was a freemason and he used freemason symbols on early watchtowers.
Jws say birthdays are bad because they are based on pagan worship, but why do they use wedding rings? Dont they know wedding rings originated from paganism. Same with so many occasions they do.
But yet the hypocrisy in this organization is so alarming.
Im tired of writing.

I couldnt butress on all this points. MAKE RESEARCH ON THESE POINTS because they are true.
I actually wished they werent true first time i made my research with my heart beat rapidly beating. Turns out they were true because non refutable evidences were given.

Note- Im presently PIMO(Physically in mentally out) just for the family.


Jwfacts.com
http://beroeans.net