They would still come to say its all lies. I think you should bolden the excerpt from their book. Cultists must cult.

Go check it out

Jehovah's Witnesses are repeatedly urged to do personal study in Watchtower publications to strengthen their faith, but how accessible are these materials? In this video, I show 10 publications that are beyond the reach of most Witnesses- John Cedars


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jab12YLJGlw

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TruthinAction:


They are just agents of darkness disguised as ministers of light. They will have special compartment in the very hell they don't believe exist.

I Don't wish anyone of them destruction, i just wish they come to know most of all what they've been led to beleive are not true and that they are actually working for an organization that is stylishy saying you can't survive armageddon without doing some works in the organization that actually benefits the organization itself. They've been misled.
Thanks for stopping by

It is now clear that the JWs commenting on this thread are only here to blindly defend the organization. I raised some points on my original post in the first page about why i felt the organization is not the so called Truth as they claim but yet they ignored those points but instead started trying to force us to show them a better organization.
That wasn't my point of creating the thread. And i never created the thread for these JWs commenting here that can't think outside what they learn in the organization because even if they see a clear evidence of wrong things going on in the organization they would probably try to cover it up or just defend the organization.
Thats how one said they don't report child abusers in the organization, that they leave the case to Jehovah. But if the case was about a catholic child abuser you would see them saying all sort against catholics and why people should get out of the religion just like the screenshot i posted in some pages behind where the watchtower badmouths
the catholics and the leaders. but they themselves are actually hiding child abusers in the organization claiming to leave the case to Jehovah.

Imagine using a two witness rule in the case of rape of a minor. So, if no other person was there while the minor was raped then the rapist is not guilty(he also has to lie he didn't do it).Does that even make any sense?

So to the aggressive JWs in this thread, the thread is actually meant for Critical thinking JWs and not those that are comfortable being constantly brainwashed.


Note That
"The majority of growth is coming from developing countries in Africa and South America. In 2016, 70% of the increase in average publishers came from just 7 countries, Angola 10k, Brazil 21k, Ecuador 3k, Ghana 4k, Mexico 11k, Rep. of Congo 34k and Nigeria 3k. On the other hand, developed countries with the highest level of wealth, education and internet access to information regarding Watchtower have little to no growth. In 2016, many of these countries reported less publishers than previous year peaks, including Britain, Australia, Germany, Italy, USA, Canada and Japan"
Source for the bolded--- www.jwfacts.com

You search4truth posted this .



The Red is from Jw.org website ?

Why do you think i left a few spaces between the link and the red text? I never implied the red text was from the JW link. It was separate

Jesus come in flesh = Ressurect in flesh ?

Mi o le rerin o

It means he Was born as human to save mankind, ( John 1:14 he " became flesh and resided among us " ), comprehende ?

I see English is your problem.. Don't you know words used in their past, present or future form can render a different meaning to any statement used in?
You said Jesus come in flesh. If you were trying to say he was born as human to save mankind then the proper tense to use is "Jesus Came in flesh" and not Jesus Come in flesh.
Besides the discussion wasn't about How Jesus came as an human to save mankind rather it was about his ressurection form.If you could comprehend well then you shouldn't have brought that up then.
Comprehende?

you who have made research, Talk nah ?

I have nothing to prove to you.
Go do your research on the subject. I know your GB does not encourage research outside the organization.

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its a criminal act to insert a jw.org link and quote another gibberish from another place to make it look as though its coming from the link that is what you did at first

Your accusing me wrongly of what I didn't do. The statement gotten from the Jw link is what i also posted here. How come you're saying i posted something from another website. Look at the screenshot of the Jw link below and tell me how its diff from what i posted at first

Show me where I said the Bold ?

Bookmarked for reference . failure to show it,you won't find it funny .

I won't find what funny? SMH
Looking at the 2nd image i screenshoted, how is this statement you made that "And JW do not acknowledge Jesus come in flesh(as human)?" not implying that you accept Jesus's physical ressurection?

No you are wrong , the above was my stance from.the beginning

Comprehension!! o ma se o

Show me where I said Jesus ressurected physically ?

Can you explain what you meant in your first statement in the 2nd screenshot below then?

Ressurected as a spirit, any objection ?

I dont know..Go and make a research of the subject on your own.

TATIME:
Jesus never agreed with the Pharisees as BROTHERS in the faith because they're always against His ways of teaching and exposing the falsehood in their long time tradition. So if we're not in agreement regarding sacred matters that means one party is for God and the other party is of the Devil,there is no third party. John 8:44 I'll prefer if you say i'm of the Devil than keep calling me brother when you're totally opposed to my believes. Jesus is strictly emphatic about been HOT or COLD. So if you believe my religion ia false then why referring to me as brother? Jesus' followers ONLY agrees to call TRUE Christians as BROTHERS not those who are opposing THEIR faith! Revelations 3:14-17

Being a Christian is not about keeping rules and regulations, performing rituals, or even going to church. It's about a friendship - a friendship with Jesus Christ. Jesus said that knowing him is the doorway to a special relationship with God.

Thank God you came from a muslim background. Since you said Jesus only says we should refer to true Christians as brother. I guess you don't call you don't see or call your muslim blood brother as a brother anymore then since you became a christian right?(Thats if you have a brother. Incase you don't have one, picture yourself having one).

With your analogy, i guess people can't have relationships again because of their religious beleifs then.

TATIME:
Jesus never agreed with the Pharisees as BROTHERS in the faith because they're always against His ways of teaching and exposing the falsehood in their long time tradition. So if we're not in agreement regarding sacred matters that means one party is for God and the other party is of the Devil,there is no third party. John 8:44 I'll prefer if you say i'm of the Devil than keep calling me brother when you're totally opposed to my believes. Jesus is strictly emphatic about been HOT or COLD. So if you believe my religion ia false then why referring to me as brother? Jesus' followers ONLY agrees to call TRUE Christians as BROTHERS not those who are opposing THEIR faith! Revelations 3:14-17

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TATIME:
My question to all of you is still the same "Are you saying as a JW a person won't see God's kingdom, and if so which religious group are we to associate with as Christians" simple and straightforward.

You're funny bro. No one ever said that here. And it won't be fair on Gods part to destroy the JWs based on the false doctrines because its not their fault but the fault of the leaders. Because the leaders has made so many JW members self righteous people.

Same way it won't be fair on Gods part to destroy billions of people outside the organization as has always been stated in watchtower magazines.
That's where not being affliated to any organization comes in. Our good works and faith in Jesus Christ and his Father are those things that count.

achorladey:
search4truth.......... By now you should have discovered that each and all of the religious denominations carry their own measure of TRUTH and measure of ERROR.

Dont know may be your research and results you seek via this thread are attained.

Yea.. we know there are elements of truth and error in all religious denominations.
At least most other religions don't claim to be the truth and don't disfellowship or shun those that don't beleive in their doctrines anymore.

The main reason i opened this thread was to make those JWs who are open minded and feel they are in the Truth to know whats going on in the organization. Because its very obvious most witnesses especially in African countries don't know whats going in the organization or even the organizion history talkless the failed prophecies.

TATIME:
#search4truth; Satan is really making use of you as you're furiously fighting against the truth. Just imagine,you're fighting hard and tirelessly with all your intellect against a religious group,claiming they are false yet you're insisting that people can worship ANYWHERE as long as they claims to be Christians. So which one you dey

I'm not suprised you would say satan is using me because I'm trying to point out some flaws in a religion that claims to be the truth and that won't hesitate to criticize other religions.

Should i say satan uses you guys too when you make derogatory statements about christians outside the organization that feel some of their teachings are right even if they are not.

At least those Christians you guys refer to christendom welcome other people's view concerning the bible but you guys feel you're perfect and have the truth so you refuse to accept people's opinion. Same way you refuse to read anyother christian literatures but the so called christendom openly welcome you guys when you go preaching to them and they even collect and read your literatures.

That's why people that know about the witnesses refuse listening or collecting their magazines because they know the witnesse won't even collect theirs talkless reading it.(Put yourself in their shoes- would you collect the witnesses literature knowing they won't ever accept yours?)
Does that sound like what a real Christians should do?

No matter how we brong out errors in the organizations doctrine, i know you're going to find an excuse or just look for a way around the discussion.
You need to be open minded brother TATIME. Life doesn't revolve around the JWs alone
Peace bro

TATIME:
You're right jare no problem, just that you can't figure out the religious GROUP that a honest hearted person interested in Christ will ASSOCIATE with!

How many times do we have to tell you being affliated with a religious group is not a requirement for salvation?

LifestyleTonite:
What you are saying now is that the word virgin is used to say someone is literally a virgin and also hasn't worshiped another god. In the case if Mary, she was a virgin and didn't worship another god.

Shouldn't it also means that those 144,000 will be literal virgins who also haven't wotshiped another god? I'm surprised that you want to ignore the literal part and go with the worship part so as to include Peter in the 144,000. I'm more surprised that you ignored the Bible passage wHuch mentioned that the 144,000 are people still on earth during the tribulation, whereas Peter is dead.

Infact ehn.. I'm just shaking my head here
So in essence, he's trying to say Mary wasn't a virgin physically.
Something that was stated that the 144,000 were not defiled by women yet they give it another twist.
Thats the same way the GB took Jesus's parable of the faithful and discreet slave and applied it to themselves. They just do things to suite their agenda.
Same way they came up with the 607/1914 doctrine. Scientists and other researchers claim the real date is 587 but since the GB knows more than everyother Christians and scientists, they claimed they are right.

Memorial Celebration

One of the results of the 144,000 doctrine is that most Jehovah's Witnesses do not partake of the bread and wine emblems in memorial of the death of Jesus. Only remnants of the 144,000 are permitted to.

"Since sharing in the bread and wine passed during the Memorial involves all of this, it would obviously be inappropriate for those having an earthly hope to partake. Those with an earthly hope discern that they themselves are not anointed members of the body of Christ, nor are they in the new covenant that Jehovah made with those who will rule with Jesus Christ. Since "the cup" represents the new covenant, only those in the new covenant partake of the emblems. Those looking forward to everlasting life in human perfection on earth under the Kingdom are neither baptized into Jesus' death nor called to rule with him in heaven. Were they to partake of the emblems, it would signify something that is not true with respect to them. Thus, they do not partake, though they do attend the Memorial as respectful observers." Watchtower 2006 Feb 15 p. 24


This is in direct violation of Jesus words, where he commands partaking of the emblems as an importance acceptance of him and gaining everlasting life.

John 6:53-57 "Accordingly Jesus said to them: "Most truly I say to YOU, Unless YOU eat the flesh of the Son of man and drink his blood, YOU have no life in yourselves. He that feeds on my flesh and drinks my blood has everlasting life, and I shall resurrect him at the last day; for my flesh is true food, and my blood is true drink. He that feeds on my flesh and drinks my blood remains in union with me, and I in union with him. Just as the living Father sent me forth and I live because of the Father, he also that feeds on me, even that one will live because of me."

1 Corinthians 11:25b-26 "Keep doing this, as often as YOU drink it, in remembrance of me. For as often as YOU eat this loaf and drink this cup, YOU keep proclaiming the death of the Lord, until he arrives."

Barristter07:
since you have heard the truth from 1 Pet 3:18, you would stay confuse


the statement agrees with 1Pet 3:18 , ressurected as a Spirit



and that same bible made it clear ressurected ones are not raised in dishonor, Are you now telling us Jesus was raised with Dishonor of scars and wound ?








open your thinking faculty
did he eat after he was ressurected as human?

that food will be digested and he will then defecate, do you agree since he is human ?

At first you said i lied about what was in the website but now you're agreeing that the statement correlates with what 1st Peter 3:18 says.
You actually said Jesus ressurected physically but since your website says otherwise, you had no choice than to follow them.

At least you're admitting Jesus didn't ressurect physically.

Besides what does it mean to be made alive in the spirit? I leave that to you as an assignment

Lets leave the ressurection issue--
Do you beeive in the Jw 607/1914 doctrine? and can you tell me why you think its right?

Barristter07:


Its like comprehension issues is really affecting you .



You just proved you are a serial Liar, Show me what says other wise on the website. Besides Its a Criminal act to quote a website and report what it never says as though Its coming from there





As human when he eats, his intestines process it and he will defecate in heaven , Do you agree ?





Scripture said concerning resurrection: it is sown in dishonor , it is raised in Glory

Jesus was ressurected in dishonor. With SCARS and wounds?

Look at the statement made in the article from that link.

"Jesus’ own words showed that he would not be resurrected with his flesh-and-blood body. He said that he would give his “flesh in behalf of the life of the world,” as a ransom for mankind. (John 6:51; Matthew 20:28) If he had taken back his flesh when he was resurrected, he would have canceled that ransom sacrifice. This could not have happened, though, for the Bible says that he sacrificed his flesh and blood “once for all time.”

Does that statement sound like one that accepts Jesus physical ressurection?



How come Thomas identified Jesus by his scars?
John 20: 24-29
Try reading the bible and not only your watchtower.

Concerning your intestine story, I'm talking about Jesus ressurection on earth and not when he went to heaven.

Barristter07:


And JW do not acknowledge Jesus come in flesh ( as human ) ?

Use your reasoning faculty before you point accusation

He materialized like angels did in the past even eating in their midst, Unless you want to Tell me he still eat and His intestines process it and he defecate in heaven as human ?

1 Pet 3:18 he was ressurected a spirit

Did i mention anything heaven to you? I'm talking about Jesus earthly ressurection in flesh.[/quote]




But it says otherwise in your website
You don't even know your doctrines
https://www.jw.org/en/bible-teachings/questions/jesus-body/


Jesus rose from the dead in the very same physical body in which He died. This resurrected, physical body was a glorified, spiritual body. The spiritual body is not merely "spirit". The spiritual body is the resurrected, glorified, physical body.


After the resurrection, Jesus was able to eat (Luke 24:42-43). He showed people His hands and feet with the nail prints in them (Luke 24:39; John 20:27), and people even grabbed His feet and worshipped Him (Matt. 28:9). As the reports of Jesus' resurrection were spreading, Thomas, who was doubting the resurrection of Christ, said, "Unless I shall see in His hands the imprint of the nails, and put my finger into the place of the nails, and put my hand into His side, I will not believe." (John 20:25). Later, Jesus appeared to Thomas and said to him, "Reach here your finger, and see My hands; and reach here your hand, and put it into My side; and be not unbelieving, but believing." (John 20:27).

If Jesus' body had not risen, then He would not have feet and hands with the same holes of the nails of the crucifixion.

TATIME:
If you can't NOTICE how a perfect man "Jesus in the flesh" made mistakes that He quickly corrected then you can't notice when imperfect men like the GB of JW corrected their mistakes. Jesus never pleaded guilty before any human Court NO! but He pleaded guilty before Jehovah (a PERFECT judge)who accepted His ransom sacrifice and forgave whoever exercises faith in Jesus' ransom sacrifice. So don't expect His imperfect followers to plead guilty before any human Court of imperfect judges!

Please tell me the mistake Jesus made.
Ohh! So the court is now a human court.
But when things go against the watchtower, they can run to the so called human courts for an appeal or to fight for their human and religious rights.
Why didn't they just leave all those favours they got from the courts to Jehovah?

Look at what the scripture says concerning higher authorities which include the government courts.

"13 L[b]et every person be in subjection to the superior authorities, for there is no authority except by God; the existing authorities stand placed in their relative positions by God. 2 Therefore, whoever opposes the authority has taken a stand against the arrangement of God; those who have taken a stand against it will bring judgment against themselves."[/b]

You say its a human court but the scripture says otherwise. Funny thing is your GB is not even obeying this particular scripture by refusing to release child abusers to the authorities as requested.


Same way they say the media is against them and that the members should be careful of the media but when the media says something good about them, you see them citing the good said about them in their publications. They would even refernce it.

TATIME:
Accusers are never satisfied with the word "guilty" i've told you that the GB of JWs are GUILTY of any crime you are accusing them of,Since Jesus pleaded guilty to all the criminal charges ever committed under the sun,who are the GB of JWs to plead not guilty? The bone of contention here is "who are those that should be leading God's people today as REPRESENTATIVES of Jesus like the Apostles in the first century?" So that all of us can focus on what Jesus is dispensing as SPIRITUAL FOOD for His congregation. Or are you saying Jesus has no congregation again?

Can you show me where they've accepted their mistakes or proven guilty to any allegations against them?
Letters were sent to Bethel branches by concerned individuals concerning Watchtowers involvement with the UN. But what happened? No response!

Another youtube user comment from the same ARC youtube video

Youtube user jhollis55 Lennie



"There is no clean way to leave the wt corporation, before Raymond Franz jws were allowed to speak to disassociated people, Ray Franz disassociated himself, he was a gb member, he tried to show the gb and the writing committee they were printing unscriptural material, he left ny headquarters, after a lifetime of good standing service, elderly with his elderly wife, no money, no pension, no insurance, homeless, a disassociated brother gave the couple a place to stay, a caravan on his drive, ( he had woken up to the wt corp lies), took the couple out for a meal, was seen by some jws, snitched on, ( as is standard wt spying -snitching procedure) that very night the gb changed their policy on disassociated jws, from that time, the gb have systematically poisoned jws with their hateful propaganda and buzzwords, regarding disassociated witnesses, mentally diseased, is the latest one, when i joined the wt 20 od years ago i was told to write a letter to my former religion, to disassociate myself, to have my name removed from their records, otherwise i'd be guilty by association of their blood guilt and crimes down through the ages, yet you find out about the wt corporation stopping witnesses in malawi buying an ID card, by means of a vote in the gb ny, the decision of these men caused many thousands of witnesses to be murdered, raped and ran out of their homes and villages, and many other serious crimes on humanity, but try to leave the wt and you will be shunned, you will loose family and friends, because of these old decrepid men in ny, they have got to be the disgusting thing standing in the holy place, the shunning policy only exists to stop disassociated witnesses talking and reasoning factual truths to current jws, the saddest part of this evil perpetrated by these old men is this, the rank and file witness is so far into the mind control programme they believe the gb, before they will believe factual documented evidence, their own mistranslated bible warns them, PUT YOUR TRUST IN NO MAN,"

ARC video link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gBE_oof1RzE

This is a comment from a youtube user concerning the lies of GB Geoffrey Jackson at the Australian Royal Commission(ARC). They said things different in their publications but he's saying the opposite at the royal commision.
I recommend those that haven't watched it to do so.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gBE_oof1RzE


The comment by youtube user Luna Bennet

"He is lying by omission! Which is a "sin" for jehovah's witnesses, which he is a governing member of! You know that the governing body is fully convinced they are ordained by god? They fully believe that they are chosen by god to go to heaven and rule the world with jesus. (And that most people are gonna die in armageddon and the ones that survive god's judgment (mostly JWS) have to stay here on the earth, and that we are going to live in a utopia of theocracy and "death will be no more." and people will live forever as god's servants and every aspect of your life is ruled by god, to me it just sounds like authoritarian rule...) For him to lie like this and for me to see it out there in the open is completely mind blowing to me. IF you lie to the elders in the congregation you get kicked out permanently. But when he does it, a supposedly chosen one of god, it's totally okay? Everyone treats them like gods. This man right here has celebrity status in the organization. I have seen his face a million times and I don't even believe in any of this bull shit. I am a trapped JW and he should just answer the question!!! Yes, people get DISFELLOWSHIPPED. But since the question is whether they get disassociated he is twisting the truth by saying it's the person's choice to disassociate themselves! because in the organization disassociating yourself is different than being disfellowshiped by the elders. But but both get treated the same e.g. people in the congregation are by no means allowed to talk to them or have any kind of relationship with them in anyway. And if you do you get in trouble with the elders or you get looked down upon and you yourself are shunned. And every time he says he doesn't know and it's not his feild or he doesn't know exact policy, he is lying through his teeth. e know s exactly what the policies are. He is part of the GOVERNING BODY! you can get NO higher than that status in this wretched organization. sorry for the rant but this is scary for me be cause my whole life I was brainwashed by these people to think the governing body was chosen by god and therefore better than us all. He's not, he's just a disgusting liar."

I pity most of you JWs that still beleive you are the only ones that have the truth without even trying to test your faith. The painful thing is most of the African JWs are so ignorant of the things going on in the organization. We are being ruled and controlled by 8 American men in New York that wants unquestionable obedience.
No organization is needed for salavation. Jesus is the way, the truth and the life.

The GB has constantly told the JWs not to make research outside the organization and its materials.
But 1 John 4:1 says

''Beloved ones, do not believe every inspired statement, but test the inspired statements to see whether they originate with God, for many false prophets have gone out into the world"

The GB claims they are inspired and therefore discourages people from questioning them or the organization.
But this bible verse says we should not just beleive any inspired statement but test them.
Since that is not acceptable by the GB and the organization, shouldn't that ring a bell to all JWs?
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Another baffling thing is that the JWs don't beleive in the Physical resurrection of Jesus Christ.
Look at what the bibke said about that
1 John 4: 2,3

"2 This is how you know that the inspired statement is from God: Every inspired statement that acknowledges Jesus Christ as having come in the flesh originates with God. 3 But every inspired statement that does not acknowledge Jesus does not originate with God. Furthermore, this is the antichrist’s inspired statement that you have heard was coming, and now it is already in the world"


Another bible verse that proofs Jesus's physical resurrection is found in Luke 24: 38-40

"And He said to them, “Why are you troubled, and why do doubts arise in your hearts? See My hands and My feet, that it is I Myself. Touch Me, and see. For a spirit does not have flesh and bones as you see that I have.” And when He had said this, He showed them His hands and His feet."
(Luke 24:38–40)

alBHAGDADI:
Can you imagine. Look at the way they replaced Jesus with watchtower even when the Bible doesn't say such.

They are a cult.

To them, people that are muslims and from other religions don't even stand a chance of being saved even though they lived a really good life that please God.

Though an organization is never mentioned by Jesus, Jehovah's Witnesses believe that all other Christian religions will be destroyed by God, because they do not follow Watchtower defined truth. Jesus said "He that believes has everlasting life"(John 6:47) and "I know my sheep and my sheep know me"(John 10:14). When a Jehovah's Witness reads passages like these they are trained to understand "whoever believes what the Watchtower says about Jesus may have everlasting life", and "the sheep know me, only by means of the Watchtower Society". This is not unique; it is common that "the cult and its beliefs become the only true path to salvation." (Combating Cult Mind Control, Hassan, p.202).

Primesky:


God bless you bro. May the grace of God keep you from falling, and may God use you to win others to Him.

I sincerely pray for Peacefullove,TATIME and OneJ, that God will reveal Himself to them.

Thank you sir.. Are you also a jw or ever been one?

Maamin:


You could have drove home your points without resorting to cheap insult. I mean, there was absolutely no need for that.

Shalom Aleikhem!

That's why i stopped replying him.
Since he chose to insult instead of him prooving us wrong with facts.

mikeolu1:


And it is very unconscionable to ask Africans who live on few $ a day to pay for the comfort of people who live in upstate NY in Warwick.
To pay for child abuse lawsuits in California- thousands of miles away from Africa!

The GB has fulfilled all Jesus prophetic words about religious leaders who will pile up loads on their deceived followers

You're very correct. Yet they say christendom churches force out money from their members.
Whats the difference between their actions and other churches.
Please checkout this site.. so many beautiful informations on there
http://beroeans.net

TATIME:
Oh Yes you can be saved without an organization, just as Noah's contemporaries outside the ORGANIZED Ack escaped the deluge, just as the contemporaries of ORGANISED Lot's family in Sodom ans Gomorrah escaped the destruction of those two cities, just as one of the Egyptians pursuing the ORGANISED Israelites escaped the red sea,just as one of the false prophets against Elijah escaped death,just as Jews who ignored the warning given to ORGANIZED first century Christians escaped the destruction of Jerusalem. Well many would be saved after all they're also claiming Christians PREACHING and TEACHING thoroughly about "God's kingdom" that Jesus commanded His FAITHFUL followers to keep on preaching in all seasons! You know as a human i can deceive anybody just as anybody can also deceive me but i will never ever forgive myself if i dare venture to deceive my own very self.

I'm done arguing with you since youre not open minded. You already beleive those allegations against watchtower are famse even though they are true like the child abuse, involvement with the UN, mexican-malwai scandal and others.
You claim they are lies when we have sites like jwfacts.com that is not biased and they give evidence to all what they.
When you become open minded, we can keep talking.

Concerning organization. With your logic, Christians that are perfectly following christ and God by keeping the bible commandents, doing good works and imitating Christlike behaviours would not survive armageddon because they don't belong to a christian organization. That means muslim or other non- Christians have no chance at all according to your logic.

You have succesfuy evaded many questions. I'm done arguing with you

Checkout www.jwfacts.com
If you feel they are wrong then we can talk

TATIME:
You can continue misquoting my statements but until you're able to present a REPLACEMENT for JW.org,i'll say see you later!

JWs say, "Jehovah has always had an organization." I say, "Jehovah has never had an organization that hasn't let him down." if anything the history of Jehovah's dealing with mankind show us to stay clear of organization. Which did Jehovah favour, having a king or temporary judges who would step in during times of trouble and exit when their job was done?

If God has always had an organization, Where was it from 100 CE up thru 1879? and if Jehovah always had an organization why didn't Russell join it?

Have you wondered that Every organization basically turned on God. Adam and Eve? The Israelites? The 1st century Christians?

What makes the JW's or the future Paradise dwellers any different?


Do you mean one cannot be saved without being in an organization?