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theenchanter:
the bolded is where I stopped reading. Ur senselessness is not funny anymore.

It's not rocket science. Divide your population with Ghanaian, contextualize the debate, then take your L.

Mkenya2019:
Kenya was breeding like rats in 70s and 80s - we had world highest population growth - with fertility rate of 8 - and we took action. Now we about to go below 3 kids per woman.

Nigeria is stuck at 6-5 kids per woman - and it's population is growing very fast.

The difference btw Kenya and Nigeria - Kenya is progressive countries that fixes and address her problem - Nigeria at best cant seem to get handle of any of their problem - at worse it keep regressing.

True.

theenchanter:
I've decided not to engage in any negative vibe on this thread again but I renege that decision because what u wrote up there is clearly devoid of any sense.

Firstly, Jumia was co-founded by a Ghanaian, not Ghanaians.

Secondly, I can't imagine Ghana to have 230m people cos they certainly can't have it in this century, not even in the next 200years, so ur stupidity isn't just ridiculous, it is utterly insane.

Thirdly, Nigeria's population isn't 230m and even if it is, how does that equate to backwardness when kenya's population growth is even worse off than Nigeria's from 60's till now? If we should label a country as breeding too many people and devoids family planning, then I guess we should be pointing at u, idiot.

And finally, never again in ur life pin a lost soul to ur stupidity. Let him rest.

- You have decided not because you have no capacity to.
- One Ghanaian equates to 7 Ghanians if we do per capita - Notwithstanding the startup's origin. That was not the point though; if 2 Ghanians are on list with a paltry 30M population ; then you have no reason to project your anger on me. I just stated facts.

-Correct, Ghana will certainly not hit 230M in this century. That is nonsensical submission rooted from poor comprehension and Context-unfathomable skills.

- Wrong; Kenya population is growing at a slower rate than Nigeria.Boy, Get your facts right. FYI, Kenyan growth rate is on a downward trajectory.

- Why are you insulting me? You pained or something?

- JOKE IS ON YOU.

68816419:
The only country that matters in Tech spaces in Africa
The real Giant of Africa in Tech

So jumia was also co-founded by Ghanaians?
Interesting.
Now imagine if Ghana had 230 Million people? That is more or less 7times more. And we all know population builds market, and market creates innovation, and innovation creates room for ideals, and ideals creates Tech startups. By virtue of per capita. Nigeria is a zoo/ backwards and nowhere close to GIANT. You breed too many young people (clear pic of family planning devoidness ) and that's what plays to your advantage.

Anyways, I didn't came here to side anyone or attack you. Fight your war and stop simping. We're on a break mourning Kikuyu 1. Deal with people fighting you. We will be back.

Saddamochieng00:
Yeah man, this life is fvcked. Make sure to enjoy every moment.

True. Sad reality.

Saddamochieng00:
Unfortunately guys we lost one of our longtime members late last year. His contribution in here won't be forgotten. Rest easy Kikuyu1🕊️🕊️

I hope it's not true!

How people just suddenly disappear with vast knowledge like Kikuyu's still baffles me.

Had to check him out and this is what I stumbled on. Thanks for sharing bro.

jl115:
Yeah so you giving me sh1t when you have done exactly the same.... How does that logic work?

You drunk or something?

jl115:
I know.... That's why I posted it

"sarcasm"

jl115:
No not really I tend to stick with actual projections from reputable organisations instead of a Kenyan with such a fragile ego about his country that he will make up is own figures on GDP

That's cool.

jl115:
ahhh ok, so does that mean you aint talking to your boy Saddam anymore?

I clarified, read well.

jl115:
- It's not my fault you are a hypocrite and contradict your own arguments my bru, and that conversation is 100% relevant since it shows exactly what you claimed you never said.

- I said let Kenya catch up to Joburg before we compare it with Nairobi, that's what I said....Is Nairobi closing the gap? yes, will it overtake Joburg...probably not in our lifetime.

- That's not factual or logical since there are 0 facts to suggest that what you are claiming will happen will actually happen
- Then why don't you go and look at WB and IMF projections yourself instead of thumb sucking random figures?

- So according to you WB and IMF projections are nonsense and your "common sense" trumps the projections of organisations with millions of dollars in research funding?........... is that what you are saying?

- When you say something is in contrast to something else then you are still comparing....YOU compared Nairobi to Joburg, there is no disputing this.

- scrutinise it, there is no denying Zuma has screwed SA for more than a decade.

That's cool.

jl115:
so you were wrong... Again?

Technical mistake, but the message is home, right?

jl115:
you have... On many occasions, as recently as 3 days ago

Is English the problem?

"Will" expresses the future tense. I didn't say "I have never. "

Read to understand.

For clarity, I will never engage flat-earthers on their specific ideology.

Mkenya2019:
The boer has been told by no less than jllc and Knight Frank that Nairobi is on fire but he is deaf and blind..by time Nairobi is world 4th most dynamic city..that should ring bells...and it just started..now everywhere I see instead four fours minimum is now 10 floors

True. He's in denial.

jl115:
- last year as in less than 2 months ago.....and you say I have amnesia??....

- I then replied and said we are building new cities as our current ones can't be expanded, you also said Kenya's new urban developments are expanding at a faster rate than SAs... Thus I asked you should we compare the value of new urban development projects.

- let me teach you something, in debates you don't use your imagination and your own speculation about the topic, you use the facts, if you say Kenya will overtake SA in 10 years then you back it up with actual sources, you do not say things like "variables circumstances" and "perhaps"..... The world might end within 10 years and that would mean Kenya will never catch up however that is not how debates work.

- I also gave you WB projections, which clearly show your population eclipsing SAs and its pretty common knowledge that SA has one of the slowest growth rates in Africa even slower than Kenya as per your own source

- When you say thing like Nairobi will overtake Joburg in 5/10 years then you are 100% comparing it to Joburg... Or don't you know how comparisons work?

- South Africa's problems aren't structural, they are political, in theory SA could be growing by 3-4% by 2026 and 5%+ after that....even Eskom can be sorted pretty quickly through privatisation. We aren't in a middle income trap like you call it, we were in an ANC trap or rather a Zuma trap

- Really? You are going to post this stup1ty? So you assuming SA will grow by 1% every year and Kenya by 6% every for 57 years?? Are you good bru? Must I go post the 2050 largest economies again?

- I though you weren't comparing Nairobi and Joburg? But anyway if Joburg can't match Kenya then way does it have an economy nearly the size of kenya, why does it have a rail and road network nearly the size of kenya, why does it have more sports facilities than Kenya, why does it have more retail space than Kenya? Should I go on? And FYI it doesn't matter if Kenya and Nairobi grow at different rates, its irrelevant to the comparison.

- here: https://www.c40.org/cities/johannesburg/

- Again if you say Nairobi will overtake Joburg in 5/10/15/20 years then you are comparing.... Also thumb suck figures and made up math equations arent a source, you need to back up that claim with reputable sources like the IMF, WB, pwc ect ect your made up figures aren't a source.

-OK my question again, must I travel in time to 2050 to get you real population data for 2050?.....or are you saying the WB is completely wrong with there projections and that Shma2022 is more accurate wrt population projections?

- it doent matter, ague what you were challenged on. Don't pull outdated conversation.
Yes, I said you have selective amnesia.

- And that is absolutely ok, though the bone of contention is Jobug vs Nai. I don't care if you're expanding other places.
Value of new urban development in both countries was never our argument. but you suggested it because I whipped you on the main debate, that's cool

- correct. Sober debate needs logic and facts.
Logic is when I bring reality of circumstance. Eg, the rise of anti-boers. Or, failed government like ANC.
Facts is when I use reputable data, eg WB, IMF etc to trace the trends in growth or say things as they are using proof. Then common sense applies thereafter. For instance; if Kenya's GDP has been showing a consistent decline or stagnation for like 5 yrs or a decade. Then there is the likelihood of zero growth in the next same variation.

- I don't need projections, I need real data. I can use my common sense to predict.

- context! Come on! The common sense in you is definitely lacking. Yes, I agree Comparison is a monolithic term, and what I said is definitely it. Now go and learn the differences between comparing and contrasting.

- Correct. I know it's political . 3% to 4% is a fallacy. Let's scrutinize you GDP growth rate from 2010.

- The rest are repetition. Not worth my time.

jl115:
only Kenyans that's probably why you also believe the earth is flat and that unicorns exist

You must be dumber than flat earthers for you to engage one. l will never find myself engaging a flat-earther.


Anyway, 80% of the magnificent building you see here were done in 2016 -2017.

jl115:
You could, besides this particular debate as you stated above is filled with nothingness and drivil...no reason for me to respond to a debate which has no intellectual value... Besides we got a good one going anyway

The irony

jl115:
this is what you call facts bru:

Now do the math...

Rest of your post isn't even worth a response

Yes, from 10times, to 3 times in 2022, not 2 times.

So yeah, thanks for provkng the point.

jl115:
- Alright then

- OK bru then what are we talking about if we are not talking about infrastructure, development, economy ect ect? Then in what exactly will Nairobi surpass Joburg?... Also FYI we ain't sending voice notes, listenings skills ain't really relevant #commonsense

- Yes Kenya is 100 percent growing faster than SA, you are far less developed and have a faster growing population, nobody disputes that, what I'm disputing is your nonsensical conclusion that Kenya will overtake SA in 10/20/30(changes every day) years when in reality Kenya will only achieve this feat in 2080/90...yet in terms of GDP per capita you are not catching SA in our lifetime

-firstly Joburg isn't a capital city, secondly my point again is let Kenya as a whole catch up to Joburg before making nonsense comparisons stating Nairobi will overtake Joburg in 5/10/20 years(changes every week).

- The point I'm making is that it's a much closer and fairer comparison to compare Kenya as a whole to Joburg than to compare Nairobi to Joburg, this is because in terms of economic indexes and infrastructure indexes like road and rail network lengths, retail space, sports facilities ect ect Joburg not just comes close to Kenya but in facts leads Kenya in some if not most aspects.

- the 76 million figure is out dated, its from 2014, in 2019 it was 103 billion, probably around the same now post covid

- so the data from the world bank isn't real? or do you want me to time travel to 2050, get the actual figures, and then post them here?

So you're picking Quotes that I posted last year? How desperate are you?

Go back and trace the ground of my argument. I said "" Nairobi two CBDs(Westland and upper Hill) have more new developments than any Joburg CBD, and its growing at a faster rate than any south African CiTies. Nairobi CBD is filled up Already; it was empty a decade ago when joburg was pretty much full.

You're so dafts. I said perhaps - perhaps is a likelihood, more of a speculation. Perhaps, you're terrible at listening skills( you might be or might not) The rest like lack of comprehending skills is what you posses, that submission was plain and simple, you don't need quantum physician to decompound for you.

Again, I gave you WB data. Kenya is growing at a slower rate, on the grand scheme of things. Yes, faster than SA but the trajectory is moving down while SA is flactuating.

I know you want to annoy me by bringing a Negative vibe to cover a simple "yes, I agree Kenya is growing faster than SA"
Upper middle-income economies are growing, but SA is stagnant, why? Being slightly ahead in development doesn't mean you're there. Accept the fact that you're dead and rotting. You're Not moving forward like other proper middle incomes. So don't bring development that was done in the apartheid era, where gold was an ingredient.

2080 is 57 years.

Simple maths:

Kenya
$120B(1 +0.06) ^ 57
$3324B --- $3T
SA
$419B(1 + 0.01) ^ 57
$738B --- $0.7T

Let's try 30yrs:

Kenya
$120B (1 + 0.06) ^ 30
$689B
SA
$419B(1 + 0.01) ^ 30
$564B

In per capita, you're just 3 times Kenya, just like your GDP. Don't be happy.

Joburg has $76B -- bigger than any city in SA. Joburg is Alpha city , the only one in Africa, more developed than anything in SA. Joburg is twice Naorobi CBD, SA is three times Kenya's GDP. Meaning, Nairobi and Kenya are not moving at the same pace. Again, use your brain. The contention is between Nairobi and Joburg. No one brought Kenya into the mix. Joburg can't match Kenya, how do you expect Kenya to overtake Joburg? Don't shift goalposts with this submission.

Good, any source or link to prove Joburg is $103B -- I honestly need this.
Heck! Joburg's GDP in 2011 was $113B --- how come it's a mere $76B in 2014? Might be way lower in 2023, who knows? Just drop the link.

The bolded is your typical imaginary submission to supplement your far-fetched detected write-up. No one said Nairobi is competing with Joburg, or Kenya is competing with SA. That's you who is trying really hard to bring that up. Our point is: we will soon overtake! We've given you maths and trajectories. Don't tense, I know you're not happy with the statement KENYA WILL OVERTAKE! it's a simple algorithm, not ego contest.

Yes, projections are never real. Projection is guesswork. I asked for real data from IMF or WB for instance. From 2010 to maybe 2022. I know 2023 data is yet to be out.

jl115:
Again....the irony

I can simply copy past this nothingness and flow with it until you get sense.


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jl115:
Must be nice to be so stup1d that one could thumb suck any figures you like then whole heartedly believe those figures and use them in an argument

Don't be vulnerable to facts.

I gave you facts.


You were 10times bigger than Kenya 10years ago. Now you're only twice. I know it pains.

Anyway, Prepare for a hullaballoo. History will be rewritten soon.

jl115:
- You did....Must I post a screenshot and embarrass you once again?

- I've posted road network lengths, rail network length, retail space, number of sport facilities, number of schools, economic indexes ect ect and I've backed every one with a reputable source.....You have provided almost 0 sources and those you have, like your WB growth projection actually further prove my argument.

- It's also possible South Africa can become a global power by your same logic, however we base projections on current information.

- Again I could say SA could become a super power in 10 years, or Kenya could collapse in 5 years...fvck I could say what ever I want and just put " varying circumstances" as confirmation of my point using your logic.

- less than 1% of SAns think that land is actually a problem in SA........Job creation, Crime, Eskom ect ect are all factors SAns feel are pressing problems, land isn't one of them. Land repossession is a political scape goat that's all, even with 2/3rds majority the ANC has concede that it will not change the constitution to allow EWC and will rather pursue other avenues....secondly not even the worlds largest super power was able to drive the Boers of the land, you think the ANC or the even smaller EFF can?....also fyi out of all the ethnic groups and tribes the Afrikaner population has been the group with the lowest immigration rates, out every 10 people that leave SA 8 are none white and of that 2 only 5% are of Afrikaner decent so in a nutshell out of the 915000 people that have emigrated from SA(2015 -2020) only 9000 have been Boers....Also interesting to not that although the white population is decreasing in SA the Afrikaner population is having a small boom in population growth.

- My bru we have some of the fairest elections in the world, we have one of the best constitutions in the world, hell we even jail a former president...something Kenya will never do in our lifetime. The ANC will lose 2024 and a DA led coalition will take over, the ANC will accept and probably split in to 2 or more smaller parties, by 2029 ActionSA , DA and the ANC(or ANC break away) will be the 3 largest parties.

- Nairobi can't be ahead of Kenya when it's part of Kenya you muppet, my statistics didn't exclude Nairobi when I was comparing Joburg to Kenya....my point is as a whole(As in together) Kenya(including Nairobi and all other cities) are still barely on par with Joburg wrt to the sheer magnitude of infrastructure and economic size. Joburg has nearly the same rail and road network length as the entire Kenya(as in Nairobi and all other cities and towns combined), it has more shopping centres than what Kenya has(inc Nairobi and all other cities and towns combined), same with sporting facilities, Joburg alone has a GDP of 76 billion....that's 70% of your entire country........do you see the point im making now?

- I literally asked you if I must post 2050 populations projections and you said yes, but you said it must be form the WB or IMF............I did and now you are crying??

Yes please, do that. You're just about to embarrass yourself.

Again, this is not what we're talking about. Don't bring your imagination to supplement your far fetched submission. I told you react to what I am telling you. I was not debating in the line of what I've emboldened. Yet again, chronic amnesia at it! Comprehension skills is lacking. Buffoonery, poor reading skills and perhaps terrible listening skills at it. If you're not high on expired viagra, then you must be suffering from mental break down.

Correct. But we need to factor all spark plugs of same. Eg, at what rate are you growing? How is your trajectory in terms of population, infrastructure, economy, etc? Kenya is without a doubt growing faster than SA. That's why we came up with Kenya catching up theorem.

Correct! With varying circumstances, Kenya can become a superpower so does SA. The point Is, don't overlook the nitty gritty. Also, don't ignore the obvious. So yeah, you have said nothing regarding this specific paragraph. Woohoo, you just cemented my point.

You can lie to the dogs. 1% owns the world. The government can be 1% but it's impact is significant.
That is not to say everywhere on twitter is boer and stolen land. It's everywhere. In every space; tweets and submission coming from Black south Africans, it's either racism or land. The movement is mounting. Prepare for a hullabaloo... Soon!

I was about to put that as a pressumption; boom! It has come to pass. I can read your mind like a professional psychologist. I know Nairobi is inside Kenya, but the point I made clearly few over your puny brain. I said that to say this:

Nairobi dominates pretty much everything in Kenya. That's how a capital city should be. Joburg on the other hand dominates nearly everything in SA. So all those cities makes huge percent of development. joburg being ahead of Nairobi, it's certainly ahead of Kenya in many aspects. If Nairobi was in Ghana, it will be pretty much ahead of Kenya in many things. That's how it is. So don't get confused with basic logic.

And just to clarify a thing. If your joburg doesn't much don't bring it to the equation. It's either entirely or nothing. Don't say joburg nearly matches Kenya in this and that, the hell! You're just proving every moment how dumb you are. And maybe you forgot this part.

If you're the fattest person in your family, and you want to compare yourself with your fat cousin; you don't go ahead and say your cousin is fatter than the whole village, how can he compare himself with me, when you're the 2nd, 3rd, or 5th most fat in your entire village. that is irrational thinking blended with amour propre.. ---- this is without a doubt a matter of amnesia. So I'm basically dealing with a demented.

Now that you've brought Joburg GDP, prepare for more brutal reality.:
Joburg was $110B economy in 2011. Nairobi was doing $11B thereabouts. That is a whopping 10times.
Nairobi is doing around $32B while Joburg had depreciated to $76B - in 2014. Thats is just twice as much. You're going down while we're heading up.


comprehension, BOZo! I said yes to real data. I asked you to help me post real data.

jl115:
cool story bro.........To bad its only you and your fellow delusional Keyan friends RVP and Shma that believe this crap.

Also FYI minerals/mining only contribute 6% to SAs GDP.......maybe do some research before spewing nonsense

Mathematically, Kenya will be $515B economy in 25 , if all factors remains constant. $214B in 10yrs.

SA we know will be $300B or $400B. 10yrs ago, SA was 10 times Kenyan GDP. In 2023, SA is only 2 times Kenyan GDP. Kenya is still showing resilient growth.

jl115:
bru....you making 0 sense, but continue, you are great entertainment

You good at Clutching at straws. I give you that 💯

jl115:
- you said it is confirmation bais when I said Kenya is not overtaking Kenya by 2030....dont go changing your story

- how does this contradiction even make sense Also what are your reasons? And why aren't they supported by any legitimate economists and analysts?

- the fact that you think Malema even has a chance to be elected when the EFF can barely get 10 % of the vote makes me wonder if you really understand what you are talking about.

- it's not just a step away, that's the fvcking point, how can Nairobi be a step away when Kenya as a whole is barely at Joburg level of development?.... And 45 malls is nothing when Joburg alone has over 300

- those are world bank projections like you asked for...you just having another stroke from being e-whipped once again.

Never talked about confirmation bias - this is Chronic amnesia at it again! I never said Kenya will overtake SA by 2030. Read to understand, not to waste words.
I know I've rendered you with no choice but to pull out imaginations that can supplement your "confirmation bias," like you said. You have literally made zero counter argument from what I told you.
Thus say, Kenya overtaking SA by 2030 is possible with varying circumstances and impossible if all factors remains constant. (don't ignore the bolded )

There is no contradiction in that statement; unless you're extremely obtuse not to see. I can juxtapose different opinions, that's not contradiction.
You should embolden every statement supporting the claim, instead of displaying selective amnesia.
"Kenya will certainly not overtake SA anytime soon if all factors remains static!"

"Kenya will without doubt overtake SA in 10yrs if circumstances that I consider will happen happens."

Lemme explain the second point:
SA are championing for land repossesion. ANC are pro - boers, equality and whatnot. The other group with an upper hand, are anti - land grabbers(boers). Once they take in power, boers will go through hell. They will start tracing their root in Europe like "the year of return by Ghanian." That approach alone will see SA industrial sector collapsing, sports dying, infrastructure going into tetedemmalion, economy melting down and pretty much everything crumbling. SA will have to start afresh and bear the consequences of post independence. Kenya will be moving at a faster rate, then.

ANC with all the load shedding, voltage reduction, economy recession, zero progress will win? That will be a recipe for war this time around. ANC is terrible, but electing them will to some point; compared to the other party retain the state of normality - Key words: TO SOME POINT.

Because Nairobi is way ahead of Kenya! Nairobi accounts for 30% of Kenya GDP. Nairobi has more skyscrapers than Kenya. If we start comparing Nairobi with Kenya, Nairobi will win in most parts. Capital cities holds primary status of a country - Joburg has no competitor in SA notwithstanding her Crime rate. Again, we came with Nairobi, challenge Nairobi. If you're the fattest person in your family, and you want to compare yourself with your fat cousin; you don't go ahead and say your cousin is fatter than the whole village, how can he compare himself with me, when you're the 2nd, 3rd, or 5th most fat in your entire village, that is irrational thinking blended with amour propre.

Are you talking about Joburg CBD or what? Where do you get 300? HAHAHA!
Joburg has less than 50 malls, FYI. Lie to the stupid fella, not here.

TF, I asked for REAL DATA from WB(2010 --2023.) Am I speaking in Chinese or what? Do you by any way suffer from neurasthenia?

jl115:
you should really read what you posted my bru instead of just copy and pasting from the internet without comprehending what you post

I presumed you would say exactly this. I posted in that comment and deleted it just to see how it goes. So I can now conclude without a doubt that your cognitive ceiling is wallowing at a shallow point// Average and its surrounding, or perhaps you're high on expired viagra today.

jl115:
- Well your mate Rvp says it everyday and you decide to weigh in on that debate every single time, you even said my response was "confirmation bais" when I said to rvp that Kenya will not be close to catching SA GDP wise in 2030 ,and if I bothered I would probably find a post of yours where you have said it yourself.... So don't fool yourself my bru

- a lot can happen in 5 years but a lot can't as well, our judicial, constitution and financial systems are to strong for SA to collapse like a Zimbabwe, the ANC will be long gone before a total collapse could ever happen, in fact we are one of Africas most stable countries, Kenya for example as it is now is closer to total collapse than SA ever will be....and that's says a lot considering SAs current problems.

- the point I'm making is that you are comparing cities that are in entirely different leagues, and to further prove my point i use Joburg vs Kenya as an example as to how nonsensical that comparison is....ive provided the fact here before wrt to Joburg vs Kenya/Nairobi...yet you and rvp have amnesia because we have this exact same debate every couple of months

- Kenya population 2050 : 85 million
South Africa population 2050 : 73 million

Source: World Bank

Rvp said, I didn't. Another proof that you suffer from chronic Amnesia ; perhaps blended with glaucoma.
Kenya catching up with SA will certainly take years, pretty much 40+, if we base it of with the current GDP growth. That was not the point though. And yeah, I already gave you my take on why Kenya will surpass SA economy in 10yrs to come. My point is entirely different from that of RVP and it remains static.

Yes, that's why I told you not to be so certain about the impossibility of Kenya overtaking SA on anything anytime soon - 4,510--- 40yrs. That's beside our upward trajectory vs your downward both on economy and other development aspects. Heck! the end of ANC can mean catastrophe to your economy. Just don't elect Malema, cos my instinct toward that line is not playing with my mind.

Agreed. But Joburg is just a step away from Nairobi - not the way you're putting it. Nairobi has more than 45 shopping malls, bridging the gap on skyscrapers, fixing horizontal infrastructure to a first world standard, universal electricity connection (zero load shedding). Joburg is Alpha, Nairobi just a step down in Gamma category - of course with the likes of cape town, Casablanca... So yeah, joburg is ahead but not extremely like you're putting it. Nairobi is growing faster than Joburg, that's without doubt. The debate is "moving to catch up " --- not; "Nairobi can compete Joburg. " Again, read to understand, not to reply.

Never asked for fantasies and dream. Post real world bank figures. Let's see the trajectory for both. I want to show you something.

jl115:
that's the conclusion you got from my reply? I thought you said you have common sense

Maybe spoon feeding will suffice.

Your common sense is your natural ability to make good judgments and to behave in a practical and sensible way

Good?

jl115:
scream it at the top of your lungs my bru maybe it will come true

Sounds like I've aroused your intense feelings. Don't be a touchy-feely dopey.

jl115:
- I'm simply quoting fact my bru ....actual facts that you can research for yourself, You are here stating Nairobi will overtake Joburg in 5 years and Kenya will overtake SA in 10 years when in reality there isn't a single shred of evidence that suggest any of this, see the difference? and fyi I have posted the actual figures wrt, road network, rail network, retail space, housing market, sporting facilities, schools, universities ect ect on this thread before for all to see.

- nahhh bru you said Kenya not Nairobi, we going to compare SAs new urban developments to that of Kenya

- I didn't say you agreed with everything?? you sure you have don't demen

- Must we post population projection of SA and Kenya in 2050?? Just to prove how ret@rded you are?

Don't bring up things I didn't say. I never said Kenya needs 5, 10, 100 or 1000yrs to catch up. That is not what I'm debating. But 5 yrs is pretty much enough for anything anywhere to happen. So yeah, might be true or not, considering the dynamics of the circumstance.

My fidelity is to facts and logic. If I say mango is better than orange, challenge me on that ground. Don't tell me mango is better than every fruit you have. That is bull cr@p & Childishness - rooted in complacency syndrome.

Correct!

Post current population trend from the world bank or IMF. Don't post fantasies and dream. So yeah, help me post both Kenya and SA population growth trajectories. Thanks in advance!

jl115:
again...the irony

The other way around, BoZo!

Appisko:
Not just population growth
Many factors can make one city grow faster than another. But the economy, housing and job market are almost always part of the equation. Beneath this umbrella are variables like population growth, unemployment rates, new business ventures, household income, taxes and affordable housing

Anything UN & projection is population and population alone. I can guarantee you that the projection you posted was based on population growth rate.

Do you mind sharing the link?