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Christianity EtcRe: The Middle Path by smartn09(m): 5:21pm On Sep 20, 2017
Sarassin:
Hello smartn09, I think the poster appears to be more interested in 'spirituality' as opposed to learning about 'magick'. The LBRP will definitely clear her space, I see that you suggested the 'Central Pillar Ritual' which is quite good for raising power if one was seeking to cast, but since the poster is not in a structured order I would counsel against that or even seeking to raise vibrations per se . In my opinion she would be better off with a guided meditation to the Arch-angelic realm in order to deepen her spirituality at this time.
Thank you, l'm beginning to understand you as a true magician and perhaps one of a kind. In this respect, guided meditation, visualization exercise incorporating pentagrams is very necessary, l agree with you. However, for one who has mastered visualization and mediation, and therefore wish to vibration at high level to enable him envision his inner path and discover the essence of his being thereby having access to the angelic realm. I wouldn't hesitate to recommend the " center pillar ritual after mastering the aforementioned rituals and exercises. The fact is ,the essence of Central pillar ritual wasn't to raise power alone as there are other underlying factors behind it. In all, would it be necessary, we can elaborate fully on this lbrp for their better comprehension ,since its the basic for other developmental exercises.
Christianity EtcRe: The Middle Path by smartn09(m): 2:29pm On Sep 20, 2017
rinrin23:
Sarassin

I have read (all night) from the 1st to the 49th page of this thread.

Thank you for starting this thread and still dropping wisdom and guiding tips even in the midst of the "noise".

I have crossed over from deeply religious to being atheist and now exploring spirituality.

I have been vegan for over a year and I'm now beginning to focus on and improve my meditation practices in order to raise my vibration.

I have the following questions to ask and I'd deeply appreciate your response

1. Is there a defined process to take ( e.g stage 1 before 2, and 2 before 3)? I find that I am eager to try astral projection even when I havent mastered deep meditation. Is this advisable?

2. During meditation, how do I keep my space pure and safe from negative beings /energies

3. When I eventually connect with my "higher self" how do I know that it truly is and not some malicious being

4. How do you stay rooted in your physical life/experience. I have heard of people getting lost in meditation and spirituality that nothing else seems to matter to them.

5. What are the most powerful ways to raise vibrations

Insight from LoJ, 4C2215131 will be much appreciated as well as you seem to be quite advanced spiritually
. 5. What are the most powerful ways to raise vibrations....Hello....thank you for coming up with these your questions , l appreciate your intelligence, although l'm not called but l think l have a pack that will make a good snacks for your liking. I also appreciate dear friend sarassin for his wonderful input. Yes as you heard from Sara, there are entry rituals for every neophyte attempting the work of prophet ie becoming a magician (1). Quabalistic cross, in Catholicism, it's represented with "sign of the Cross" . (2) Banishing ritual of the pentagram which includes lesser banishing ritual and greater banishing ritual. (3) is what we call center pillar rituals.....perhaps if one has ever entered any of the mansionic temple, he will quickly observe the pillars and the third pillar which is always invisible.....Now, what are the importance of these rituals ,and what is it exactly? Off course this is the bases of every meditation of every neophyte to master the ritual/the exercise. Lol in the past few years, a student has asked , what's meditation and what's he meditating on. Thank you once again, l will be back if my input is needed.
Christianity EtcRe: The Middle Path by smartn09(m): 11:44pm On Sep 19, 2017
LoJ:
Im great. I hope you too.

I had a good laugh at the question, and I continue to be amused from it. Now, whether you are Beelzebuth or an angel embodied, or both, or a fraudster I really dont care.

Hold your peace and find a better chest beating game to play.
LoJ:
Im great. I hope you too.

I had a good laugh at the question, and I continue to be amused from it. Now, whether you are Beelzebuth or an angel embodied, or both, or a fraudster I really dont care.

Hold your peace and find a better chest beating game to play.
LoJ:
Im great. I hope you too.

I had a good laugh at the question, and I continue to be amused from it. Now, whether you are Beelzebuth or an angel embodied, or both, or a fraudster I really dont care.

Hold your peace and find a better chest beating game to play.
Eyaaaaa... I should move on and hold my peace? After snatching my girlfriend with her dollar bead? Well, but you should know that she has chronic std and terrible HIV..... I hope you can live with it.... It does not kill anyway. My baaàaad.
Christianity EtcRe: The Middle Path by smartn09(m):
LoJ:
grin grin grin

This is the killer question. The type of question that gives only 2 alternatives to imposters: either you keep quiet or expose yourself. No other way around it.

I had a good laugh grin
I think one of my comic writer catches your atmosphere with his words.... He reads " the most merciful thing in the world is the inability of the human mind to correlate it's contents. we live on a placid island of ignorance in the midst of black seas of infinity and it was not meant that we should voyage far".
In fact, knowledge is truly a double edged sword that constantly lures man to travel further but which can also destroy him if he journeys too far. Please use your words wisely. We are not foes neither friends, it should either be your cause to verify imposters. By the way, that's gone .
Back to the topic, many of them knows, it's the powers of choas, the primordial giants, that are masters of the greatest wisdom .The Esir, only constantly seeks to take advantage of the abilities of the giants or to take part of their wisdom.Although they use both treachery and violence to accomplish their task. In this case, the very guy , should be either godlike to penetrate into my mind.
Beside, there are Faustians of today, who seeks knowledge at all cost no matter if it leads to damnation. The Faustian notion is that knowledge comes at high price and always very dangerous when thrusted into the wrong hand.
Now , did you see why spiritual seekers should turn to the "dark forces " to quench their test for knowledge and wisdom.Hehehe! How is your end?
Christianity EtcRe: The Middle Path by smartn09(m): 9:13pm On Sep 18, 2017
4C2215131:
Greetings!

I'm not one known for posturing and whatnot even in more esoteric forums than this. He who knows himself, knows himself.

For your information dear friend, you're conversing with one who has gone past delving into the occult for what do you call it again...kudi, ego or whatever. I asked you a simple question that I hoped you'd answer not all the rigmarole and stuff you posted.

When next you evoke the Lord Of The Flies himself, that powerful entity, tell him that 4C2215131 send his regards and hear what he'll tell you (if you can even evoke him that is).

Though you don't need to prove anything to me, you my friend, haven't practiced a single evocation to the astral plane talk more of physical manifestation. I have gotten the proof I needed.

@Sarassin, I told you that the answer I get will determine my stand on the veracity of the OP's claims.

And for your information, Invocation IS different from Evocation. I practice the latter, heavyweight stuff!

Blesses Be.
Thank you dear friend, but you should know that a gold doesn't lye bare in a beer palour. If you has all the secret, l don't think , you should ask in the first place. If you ar' n't practicing to recreate yourself and those around you, l don't know what you should be doing in the occult world. A question for thought.
Christianity EtcRe: The Middle Path by smartn09(m): 12:29pm On Sep 18, 2017
Hello, dear friends, 4C2215131, muttleylaff ,sarassin and other well wishers, how are your days.
Dear guys, l think if anything/everything you come by seems,sounds as, is or are an extraordinary claims , l guess, you should without conclusion go for an extraordinary research and inquisition at least you has masters.
Btw, at my earlier journey, out of sheer confidence, a member of this forum,engaged me on a serious rant, but after all, as a guy man he is, he called and paid me a visit and today, he works directly with me and he is happy he did. For sure l knew , his life has been transformed.
I'm not a killer neither evil contrary to the notion but a trained traitor, although sometimes, l lack morality, yet morality should be based on one's judgement considering one's level of understanding and spirituality. Now, it's n't a mere claim to say that l use the power of destruction and construction to achieve my aims. Take for instance, being a contender with another political guru and perhaps, you has exhausted all your alternatives to deflect him. What's should be your next point of action? When you new, you can never clinch that post after that moment for your entire life. Consider the case of Lagos state government in 1999.
At 4C2215131, a question you need to ask yourself if you has ever invoked any of the goetia spirits is "what a heck am l doing ? My benefits playing with the devil? If you has not gained the money, owo, ego, kudi, then, you hasn't contacted them. Another question is, am l a true theurgist who have the defense mechanism against these deadly spirits? So that your life and live of those around you wouldn't be in jeopardy and shattered for nothing.
Did you see why it's had to become a mystic teacher or perhaps to teach someone bc the little interpretation/understanding or lack thereof may not only burn your world but may turn it upside down. This concludes why l made that statement " that whoever may traverse this path must either be called by the spirit ".
Once again, if you has not mastered the angelic world " the tree of life " l doubt if you will make anything good out of demonic invocation. For before the "tree of death" there's the "tree of life". For more information dear friends, l don't even envoke spirits any longer , they comes to me even unsolicited for assistance, although l do make home for them if there is a good match. Heheh! Spirit keepers in the house may understand. And that takes us again to another question like "what's spirit keeping"? Pls confirm from your masters.
Christianity EtcRe: The Middle Path by smartn09(m):
MuttleyLaff:
I recall him being a wannabe
but the guy's now, literally saying "I Am a Scorpion. It Is My Nature. I Sting..."
He also, now on this thread, made the damning statement and admission of guilt, of being, evil incarnate, and for the sheer fun of it
Hmmm! Presuming you has ever had a child? Wouldn't you assume he will one day grow a tooth! Perhaps, that represent who l was at that time . If you check very well , you would even know when l took my initiations......However, l made a pledge to come back and l must definitely be right back for just one good reason......Considering my schedules. Sorry, l doubt if l'm clear with your term "admission of guilt" possibly you can help me out..... You can also check out my contributions in this thread , it may give you more clue for better understanding......https://www.nairaland.com/2164694/create-own-spellsmanifest
Christianity EtcRe: The Middle Path by smartn09(m): 4:16pm On Sep 16, 2017
analice107:
That is because the reign of the Antichrist is close.
lol....little patie! Did you mean that the late Christ still get Aunty? That dude could have seen something in my hand assuming he's still alive.
Christianity EtcRe: The Middle Path by smartn09(m): 2:45am On Sep 16, 2017
701ecilana:
Abeg leave Billy alone nah. Weytin him do sef?
Thank you my brother for asking, Billyonaire flashed his one eyed torchlight in his mother's pussy and insulted his elders as well. It's serious offense here in our land . He must either apologize or quite the land. So says the law.
Christianity EtcRe: The Middle Path by smartn09(m):
Billyonaire:
Has anyone told you that you have lost your mind ?
since! I have intentionally sold it out not lost but l'm currently using your late brother's own as l find it wanting. But what happened to your own? Ok! You gave it to Christ to preserve for you in heaven , right? No wonder you has none.There are animal souls here for sale ,in case you may need it. Nonsense..... I will torment you in this forum until you change your identity, stupid.
Christianity EtcRe: The Middle Path by smartn09(m): 10:36pm On Sep 15, 2017
Billyonaire:




I read that, and it makes no sense.
You can now agree that you're n't up to any of my house boys? So it's needless to be engaging you in a rant. See you next. I'm still open for your visitation if you so wish. Don't think l will use you for money ritual.
Christianity EtcRe: The Middle Path by smartn09(m): 9:56pm On Sep 15, 2017
Billyonaire:
[s][/s]

To be truthful, I was not in the mood to read and I didnt read. Try to use paragraphs, cos even if I wanted to read, my brain cant just pick it.

It is torture for my bored old man's eyes. Learn how to type properly.

This is weekend, and I need to get out there and get some angels to come strip dance for me. Not time for humans who know no joy.

Next!
Hahahaha! No angel will respond to you because you has been locked in chains for deceiving people and you can never ever go unpunished for your action. Perhaps with death penalty. Simply ask me to get you delivered for the angels are even under my command. And l believed you can't run, not even pastors will help you for lam the master of all prophets.
Christianity EtcRe: The Middle Path by smartn09(m):
Billyonaire:
Contrary to your vituperation and that of others on this forum, I own and run 5 successful companies, and I am building a new one now that will totally bring a lot of tourists to Nigeria. You might want to ask Elon Musk, William Gates, Mark Zuckerberg and the rest of humans on my EIQ level why they have time to spend online. Being here engages me to the grass root, which I regret. But there is time for everything. Nairaland is the only Nigeria blog I visit, I should vacate soon and let you poor people run amok since you hate wealthy people.
wimps is truly on the rise, and sissies are holding sway everywhere. Behold, these are the vile cowardice that reigns in just about every public forum. I do witness self-censorship based on the principle that individuals must be protected from any negativity or they will suffer irreparable trauma and thus deserve reparations from their state of mind to satisfy their shattered self-image. Billyonaire, your case is not different. And l know , people are deadly afraid of "words" they can't bear anything been said against them , l hope this is the bases of forming all these lies but that should be better off to the fools, knowing you're a junior high school leaver, makes me even bored to get into rant and chat with you. So l'm sorry for even doing this but l can't help it. However, to be dissed is equivalent of being destroyed and l must indulge you.The contemptible contemporary credo is to seek the approval of all and sundry ,right? While eliminating any critical commentary and thinking? Has it become a crime that l don't embrace everyone in one sloppy hug of " brotherhood ". For your information, lam a Satanist, l don't go hiding, l deplore such weaknesses.It was once expected that, one instinctively evaluate the grainsayer ( as well as the flatterer), automatically reacting with either pleasure , disappointment or even indifference based on the relative merits of the very individual. Now, all are required to tout everyone else without discrimination- a word that now has an " evill"connotations and previously meant an exercise of one's selectivity based upon education appraisal. ( To me! attacking and exposing your ignorance as occult dabbler is a compulsory end and never ever a crime) l as a Satanist have not lost such instincts. But then again, l welcome conflict of ideas and always excited by differences, it's by action that l judge .Anyways, words are mere window dressing, and we must cultivate a neo -Darwinian arena wherein opinion may clash in the bright glare of mid-day, light glinting off saber-sharp tongues that slam against the armor of cultivated wit and erudition in a true conflicts of rip-roaring repartee.. I expect to see the sand stained crimson! And l will be ready to wield our discrimination boldly, without stinting to either raise a thumb in approval or give a sign of rejection. I do celebrate the victorious while the vanquished like your type are carted off as reffuse . For your information once more,this the climate that will foster the emergence of intellectual rigor and will present a competing concept for all to see and judge accordingly. Billy , if you ar' one , l wouldn't hesitate to tell you.Dear billyonaire, with all honesty ,it's time to end all this childish self-conceit from the real world and go out to experience the invigoration to be had from world of variety. If you come across that which you don't agree! Can't you be able to identify those who hold such values and deal with them directly? control of speech is not control of thought,the current indiscretion has caused many to hold secret their values and feelings, which often grow to strange shapes in their restraint, bursting forth in extremity that is always so shocking to the naive like you. Billyonaire, let the triumphants strain of "my way" sound the call to those who refuse to disguise their true form beneath the grimace of false politeness. Billy enter into the fray with claws extended, flying your true colour- winning friends and foes or walk away and find another exchange more to your liking, proofing that nairaland is not for your type.you can soar or crash and burn but do so on your own.Don't go crying to societal authority to wipe the snots off your nose and kick the ass of your betters.Perhaps you want to remain in diapers all of your life? But don't expect a Satanist, a Demon incarnate like myself to stick around and smell the load.For manure is best when buried as fertilizer. This epistle is to you and you alone billyonaire. It's n't to insult your foolish ass but to let you learn and get yourself education.It's also a sign that you has met with one of the supreme leader of all the deadly satanists in Nairaland. Pls don't hesitate to ask for interpretation if need be! You remains my friend with dearest sarassin.Good luck.
Christianity EtcRe: The Middle Path by smartn09(m): 3:50pm On Sep 14, 2017
Sarassin:
Furthering our discussion sir, what is your preferred method of conjuration? do you go for full manifestation with full visuals? or astral visuals? acquaintances of mine tell me they prefer the scrying methods for easier banishing. Do you use a protective method at all? i find invocations hugely energy draining, how do you ground yourself?
No worries, l will take you up from where you are at my own time. Right now l'm just driving off....see you next.
Christianity EtcRe: The Middle Path by smartn09(m): 3:08pm On Sep 14, 2017
analice107:
If you are such a wealthy person as you try to pass off here, you won't have the time you have to be present in this forum as you do. Or, is it the case of 'thos who make others rich can not be rich?'

Wealthy people are busy people, and don't spend time of faceless forums.
Billyonaire truely works because he is a labourer,he trades and runs businesses, I'm aware, because he needs money. Dear Billy, l don't work because l'm not a labourer , neither do l trade because l doesn't look for money, money looks for me . so tell me who you are? Don't bother, l will employ you and do all those things you looks for and still give you an official car and an executive office to ease your tension of struggling in lkeja ( computer village) claiming billyonaire. You has just met your saviour.
Christianity EtcRe: The Middle Path by smartn09(m): 2:11pm On Sep 14, 2017
Sarassin:
But of course! I should have guessed, you work with the Lemegeton, every ceremonial magician I know has such a dramatic flourish (I don’t mean that in a derogatory manner) I have in the past had cause to work with the Duke Dant_lion and found him amenable. The Angels of Shem I found more approachable. I don't work with the Lemegeton but I know where they are hiding should I need to dig them out, under such circumstances, I shall not be stepping into your 'secret room' but thanks for the invite....and good luck!
yes that is the area of my specialization dear friend and that's my nature. Sometimes we kill for fun and destroy for pleasure but always under the instruction of God and with the help of angels.Then again, should we get into discourse on what is angels or demons , it may take over this topic and l guess you may not permit that.what do you think?
Christianity EtcRe: The Middle Path by smartn09(m): 1:25pm On Sep 14, 2017
Sarassin:
Billyonaire, I am interested in certain aspects of what you wrote up there so please forgive me for dragging you out of your self-imposed exile.

You wrote that you practice soul travel and through that practice you meet various other ET’s who facilitate your research. I practised soul travel as a child even before I knew what it was, many years later when I was accepted into the famous Order it was taught to me under a proper structure. One of the most important aspects I was taught was the issue of control.

We were taught ‘soul craft’. In groups of four or five’s we were made to create esoteric soul vehicles, I need not go into details but these are modelled after the ‘Merkabah’ which is alluded to in the Book of Ezekiel. In groups we would then be sent to specific ‘inter-planetary’ aspects to receive ‘lessons’ by great teachers the likes of say Sammael.

The control feature was that we went as a group, the experiences had to be the same, the descriptions had to be the same and the lessons we were taught had to be demonstrated and independently assessed by the Abbotts. This precluded the illusionary or hallucinatory aspects of soul travel, it validated our experiences to each of us and served as the basis to increase the strength of one’s astral cognition.

So, my question to you is what, if any were the control features of your astral journeys? How do you independently verify the authenticity of your experiences? How do you know that you are not locked into a cycle of self-validation?
Billyonaire knows why he became too rude and harsh to avoid an intricate questions that will spark up his dormant psychic. And he is to live with it l maintain. Instead of asking questions....he choose to mess himself. Allow him to go silent. . it's his case!
Christianity EtcRe: The Middle Path by smartn09(m): 12:39pm On Sep 14, 2017
Billyonaire:
I will always re-appraise my schedules to come to this forum to share the scientific background of the Universe and bring updates in my current researches on AIs while working with a team of 'teenagers' to integrate IoTs, AIs and Humanity via the neural lace. It is a hubby for me as I have too many things on my plate in terms of businesses to run. I understand most of you do not really have a focus in life and no project that is your life mission, but I do have such responsibility which is why I constantly spend much of my relaxation moment sharing knowledge of the Universe.

I got to know much about Extra-Terrestrials after I was an atheist for over a decade, I got to see face to face with Entities who called my native name and disappeared and I got curious, and that was the beginning of the rabbit hole for me. But unlike many of you who have no scientific background, I question these entities because I lack the fear of death. I ask them, what is your name ? Which Planet are you from ? Which Star System ? And tell me what you think I should know about the Universe and I ask questions as simple as "What is the best food for the human body". Why was the human body made of Carbon and not Wurtzite boron nitride ?

So, next time you all want to show your ego and left brain reasoning, understand that you know nothing when compared to the vast data in the Cosmos. If you have ever Soul traveled to any other planet or even ground yourself and download data from singularity and try to put them into books for humanity to read, you will be humbled.

Do not write me further, as I am not interested in engaging anyone today, I have a busy schedule which I can not re-appraise. As for meeting me, you are not yet qualified to meet me face to face. Who ever will meet me in future, will share the goodnews.
Getaway jari! , you ar' just a troller than one can imagine. See pomposity for goodness sake! when you are an empty vessel without feature. I have grown over your type for the past few years. Safe journey.
Christianity EtcRe: The Middle Path by smartn09(m): 12:18pm On Sep 14, 2017
[quote author=Billyonaire post=60447622]I will always re-appraise my schedules to come to this forum to share the scientific background of the Universe and bring updates in my current researches on AIs while working with a team of 'teenagers' to integrate IoTs, AIs and Humanity via the neural lace. It is a hubby for me as I have too many things on my plate in terms of businesses to run. I understand most of you do not really have a focus in life and no project that is your life mission, but I do have such responsibility which is why I constantly spend much of my relaxation moment sharing knowledge of the Universe.

I got to know much about Extra-Terrestrials after I was an atheist for over a decade, I got to see face to face with Entities who called my native name and disappeared and I got curious, and that was the beginning of the rabbit hole for me. But unlike many of you who have no scientific background, I question these entities because I lack the fear of death. I ask them, what is your name ? Which Planet are you from ? Which Star System ? And tell me what you think I should know about the Universe and I ask questions as simple as "What is the best food for the human body". Why was the human body made of Carbon and not Wurtzite boron nitride ?

So, next time you all want to show your ego and left brain reasoning, understand that you know nothing when compared to the vast data in the Cosmos. If you have ever Soul traveled to any other planet or even ground yourself and download data from singularity and try to put them into books for humanity to read, you will be humbled.

Do not write me further, as I am not interested in engaging anyone today, I have a busy schedule which I can not re-appraise. As for meeting me, you are not yet qualified to meet me face to face. Who ever will meet me in future, will share the goodnews. [/quote/ Getaway jar!!!! , you a better of a troller than one can imagine. See pomposity for goodness sake! when you are just an empty vessel without feature. I have grown over your type over the years. Safe journey!.
Christianity EtcRe: The Middle Path by smartn09(m): 11:50am On Sep 14, 2017
Billyonaire:
You can not even manage your own emotion. How can you tell people you are wise. When you can not even control the basic animal instinct in you. I do not have time to exchange emotion with the mentally poor elementals who believe they know anything. My background is Astrophysics, Quantum Dynamics and Biogenesis. All I am writing about are based on my Astral Projection experiences and when I communicate with ETs, I do so to advance the cause of humanity and bring love to this planet. If I want to use my knowledge for evil, I could, but I wouldnt, because it is the reason Africans can not still manufacture a piece of technology. Next time you want to smell, please do not stink in my face.

The first step to knowing, is de-learning that bullshhiit.
Teenager spotted! sorry my brother, insult is not necessary but it's inevitable in this case.For better information, if you think, you has truly transformed your life through your scientific notion, can we meet at any country/place of your choice to exchange pleasantries ? I will surely care for your flight, no worries.
Christianity EtcRe: The Middle Path by smartn09(m): 11:08am On Sep 14, 2017
Billyonaire:
You have no idea.
Dear friend, l don't want to expose your ignorance because you are too naive to get into talk with me. You even lack words for self expression. You should deal with it or let it deal with you.
Christianity EtcRe: What Is The Difference Between Lucifer And Satan? by smartn09(m): 10:51pm On Sep 13, 2017
MizMyColi:
Good Afternoon Friends cool

Been thinking after reading interesting stuff on Sarassin's latest thread; LoJ's post specifically.

When I conceived, I had this moment during meditation that the one I was carrying is a "light bearer."
In that instance, I decided to search for a nameable name that means "light bearer"

I went to consult google, and I saw "Lucifer"
I shrugged so hard. "There's no way I'm naming him that!"
That your child will become the wisest among your kids if you dare give him the name. Ask me why.
But then, I heard this voice in my head telling me that the name "Lucifer" is a fine name and is what it is said to mean.

However, what I have not gotten an answer to is whether or not this Lucifer is same as Devil that was cast out from heaven?

My sole basis for this conclusion is the Christian Bible. However, I wish to glean from other schools of thought on the matter.
Especially from my friends who practice esoteric arts.

I have consulted Wikipedia, but apparently, there's no consensus on there.

What's the difference between Lucifer and Satan?
If Lucifer is same as Satan, would there be a direct consequence if a child is named Lucifer (hoping it means Light-bearer), based on the circumstances surrounding its birth?
Christianity EtcRe: The Middle Path by smartn09(m):
Sarassin:
I am not a fan of the aforementioned scientific approach to practice but then I am not one to pass judgement on another’s mode of practice I would rather examine and see what if anything can be learned from it, that for me is a path to 'wisdom'.

I agreed with what I considered basic elementary stuff in his comments, nothing more nothing less. However inadequate you consider the man's views at least he has a definable position. You write that you lurk on the pages reading people’s views and exchanges in expectancy but you do not declare yourself, what is your paradigm? What are your leanings? What is your area of practice? What have your experiences been? perhaps we can all learn from these? Nail your colours to the mast, as you can see from the reams of pages, you are amongst friends.
OHI, you has just opened the cankerworm and the devil is out.Iam a Demon conjurer, l conjure all forms of deceit and anything evil....I'm an essence of pure witchery. In a simple quote, l specialise in destruction and construction for it works together to bring result. I work entirely with all the 72 Demons of goetia in carrying out my activities both what you will consider ethical or evill based on one's moral standards.Don't even just ask, l work with lucifer dirrectly and all other demons of unknown origin, if we should get into my secret room, we may discuss further,about some secret societies and secret society within secret society, for want of better words, l was called and initiated at my earlier twenties by some dangerious and invisible occult groups. At sarassin and Billyonaire , its posible that one will work through several delusion to arrive at a point of "true occultism.Don't just worry! When you brace up and work on yourselves you may be invited and then shall you experience life in it's fulliest, consider the politics of your country.l think by now ,you should be psyche enough to know that you has met with the Devil on his throne.Ones again, sciences plays a vital role in magical development but it shouldn't be taken as a means rather as an added advantage. For example, when we get into talk with human anatomy and physiology, then, magical symbologies becomes an easy course. My one penny! Regards.
Christianity EtcRe: The Middle Path by smartn09(m):
Sarassin:
No, my support was not based on sentiment at all, I agreed broadly with what he was stating in that instance.
Then , there is much need to call out billyonaire once again.For one to climb the ladder of ancient wisdom , he must completely strip himself off an ego or unnecessary self-importance, it's a bane of personal development in this path.There are a lot (if at all any of us hold truth) to learn. There is no absolute/limit to knowledge, where it came/coming from is not necessary.l lurk around here reading people 's views about life not because they have the prerequisites to engage on philosophical and constructive discussions ,but sometimes we discovers ourselves in fools Paradise. I had wanted you guys to ask , if you ar' true mystics, like oh!, lam a student of the light but would also wish to stair at an opposing end of the spectrum " the darkness ". In reality, for one to create , he must destroy, an architecture doesn't erect without removing, consider the law of rebound.One must be a killer to become a healer, these are laws of nature.Now tell me how and why, you should give him an accolades,an undeserved support, is that not an atempt to compound indiscretion?Yes there is atimes as a competent magician who wields his power in gold ,that he will defy natural laws (growing above it).He can effect changes both destructive and constructive without universal laws.He can kill at will without karmic effects. Consider karmic laws. That's the nature of the world my friend. I see Billyonaire 's technical back-out as a sign of cowardice..... Always justify your reason in everything and if indeed there is , how cogent. It is the way of the wise.Just like when l had wanted to give him butts for his penny.....to explain some supernatural facts through his scientific methods , but l guess he lacked the capacity to do it and he cannever do it because sciences has limitations for self- exploration and mysticism. Psychology would have even done better as a way of self mastering considering what Jung and Addler put up there. .However, l wish you guys the very best in your quest for spiritual development.
Christianity EtcRe: The Middle Path by smartn09(m): 11:04pm On Sep 12, 2017
Sarassin:
I am trying to think but I cannot wrap my head around this post of yours, what does it mean?
Are you kidding me? You could be funny. Your sheer support was based on sentiment, more refined feeling about Billy and not on logic.
Christianity EtcRe: The Middle Path by smartn09(m): 10:15pm On Sep 12, 2017
Sarassin:
You hit the head on the nail, or should that be the nail on the head, I can't seem to remember. This your post would have been the concluding part of my submissions, nice.
you has just aided and abeted dabble and garble.....think!
Christianity EtcRe: The Middle Path by smartn09(m): 4:53pm On Sep 12, 2017
Billyonaire:
There is no storm in a teacup neither will there be a tear on our Armour plates. Most of the respondents seem to tout the negative use of magic which you must admit is not how the Western world have used Magic. And I want us to de-promote the context of using magic negatively.

If my response to you sound offensive, then I must apologize profusely and I have no choice but to exit the thread for now. We all have the freedom to do what we will, with what we know. It was a plea, not a command.
l had wanted to add something special to your cool drink this evening, a mixed glamour! common!
Christianity EtcRe: The Middle Path by smartn09(m): 4:21pm On Sep 12, 2017
Billyonaire:
There is no storm in a teacup neither will there be a tear on our Armour plates. Most of the respondents seem to tout the negative use of magic which you must admit is not how the Western world have used Magic. And I want us to de-promote the context of using magic negatively.

If my response to you sound offensive, then I must apologize profusely and I have no choice but to exit the thread for now. We all have the freedom to do what we will, with what we know. It was a plea, not a command.
Billyonaire:
There is no storm in a teacup neither will there be a tear on our Armour plates. Most of the respondents seem to tout the negative use of magic which you must admit is not how the Western world have used Magic. And I want us to de-promote the context of using magic negatively.

If my response to you sound offensive, then I must apologize profusely and I have no choice but to exit the thread for now. We all have the freedom to do what we will, with what we know. It was a plea, not a command.
l hope this has not called for irate expression unless there's previous inconsistency.....Then , you should water it down, l'm just happy to be with you guys this evening.
Christianity EtcRe: The Middle Path by smartn09(m): 3:28pm On Sep 12, 2017
Billyonaire:
Your definitions of magic, and when I say 'your' I mean plural for all those who think of magic as purely negatives are wrong. The erroneous perception that Magic is a negative path is where you are having the confusion.

Jesus, in the allegory turned water into wine, that was magic. I love magic and many people love magic, but alluding that Magic is negative is what scares the shiit out of people. If your Magic heals and invents, then it is positive. But if your magic destroys and kills, then it is negative. It is the User Agent, that decides how to browse the Universe and how the cookies crumble.

Magic is transmutation of Universal Energies to achieve desired intentions. The outcome and expectation is yours to decide if its positve or native. Magic is not a negative action, neither is it purely positive. It is a naturally neutral action in nature that is conjured to work as you desire.

May we prosper even as we use the Laws of Nature for the good of the all Creation.
perhaps if l had used the word mysticism to express my views about science, it would have been a good fit...However , it seems there's total misunderstanding , when l say darker, it means the degree of our human essence in connection to the universe. If we are to get into discourse of occult practices and rituals like prayer ,devotion or adoration to deities or scent like figures , when all symbols are removed, it's pure representation of human psychic in a glyph which do definitely react based on the law of reflex. The bases of misunderstanding could be as a result of choice of words. Yes your interpretation of the word "magic " is absolute, but the extent at which the mind has opened to interact with the universe is the hidden meaning you should react to.....Energy is never bad or good.... if there's anything ,it's the human action. We are practically looking elsewhere on attempt to connect to this universal energy but with all honesty, we should start exploring ourselves before steping into the world. when such steps is taken , our actions/reactions will always be of blissful nature even to animals within our territory.. Not saying your reaction is bad but it should be an evident of self transformation at all giving time. There are an extent that magic difies sciences which truely calls for a debate in your case as a scientist but it seems you snubbed the point.
Christianity EtcRe: The Middle Path by smartn09(m): 2:08pm On Sep 12, 2017
but let us remember, as it is one thing that becomes the two. At the core of it all is Unity, unity of polarity. I am not saying there is no positive and negative polarity in energy, Hehehe......l hope you should disagree to agree and learn what may give you a flip of turn to gain more.. ...At the end of it all , there is disintegration and unity which the magician will either choose to merge with God or to become a God and create his own universe....Perhaps you has explored the "light" which the compulsory end is unit, can you peep and observe the "darkness" if there should be more to it, l think you will agree. Billyonaire, sciences has limitations to what magic should give you because it requires evidence /proof to embark in action. I know many of the scientist who approached magic through testing and observations, and failure was the result .However, when you approach the darker side of the universe, there in the darkness is an infinity light that transforms gross into gold......that is the world power , coming in contact with it makes you a God, a creator of an exceptional power while you may still be in your human flesh and soul.In fact, there are more to it than the little we have seen.
Christianity EtcRe: The Middle Path by smartn09(m):
Sarassin:
You make very important points and I would like to weigh in. Personally I could never claim that my way is best, what I say is that my way works for me, ultimately we each have to find our own paths to the Divine. In my view if there were to be consensus say between Billyonaire and I then it should be rightly regarded with suspicion. I don’t know the path that he has trodden I can speak only of mine but they are bound to be different therefore our experiences differ. Even so there are universal truths buried in our differences.

For me Spirituality is about doing because to do is to know. But many will not do. For instance, Tantra (and no I am not advocating) teaches us that there are 112 methods to have a Divine Encounter and that one of these methods will work for each and every person on the planet, will the sceptic seek out a method that works for him/her? No, it is far easier to say the supernatural does not exist or God not grow amputee’s limbs but the real question is do you as an individual wish to grow?

I have been where you are at, people with gifts and abilities you mentioned here (and I include LoJ) give their time generously to humanity they have far bigger fish to fry. If you have subjected the Abrahamic faiths to scrutiny and found them wanting, then try another faith, another doctrine another system. Everyone had a good laugh when I wrote that I romped around in my birthday suit but that was how I sought knowledge with humility, at other times I have obtained knowledge almost at the point of extremis, sometimes that is what it takes, trust me when I say it is almost laughable when a seeker then turns around and says..."I want to be convinced".

When you have exhausted every method in practice that you can conceivably lay your hands on, every doctrine and system and you have not found an experience with God or whatever you seek then you start all over again. Nobody can do it for you, but you.
l guess quoting you may mean too right to be appreciated, Buddha made the same statement, that there are thousand colours to the very light which everyone trailing the path of wisdom seeks. His words " the light we seeks is formless, colorless and of thousand colours , connecting with it is life and death, for it can cook one's recipe as fast as it can burn him in a slightest mistake.There in the light are the abode of the gods, it's life giving and death bringing flame he said ". In tantra, we also heard of lotus of thousand petals representing the routes to the divine light or highest aspect of it.Every religion, believe system , has their broadways to the same light including atheists and scientists. We all seeks for the same light through different route with varied perspectives.what one does with it matters to no one since it is meleable and can take shape and form given to it by any practitioner.Now questions remains, why should we resort in the classification of this very light as middle, white, neutral , right , left or black? Ponder a bit and think for yourself. However, reverting to the law of polarity, where everything on earth and beyond has it's pairs of opposite, we ask, if there is indeed the light , named God by the pontiffs or religionist,there is indeed the counter-light " the darkness " give it any name or by no name at all , call it shadow, it will be fine.This is where the scientists got lost because it's completely dark and brimes with danger, no aspect of it can be proved or subjected to scientific scrutiny. It's as difficult as that, yet an ultimate creating and destructive power of the universe, a force of supreme majesty.It took Alan wolf sixty five years to return back to the world of magick and mysticism when all the scientific approaches has failed him.The relationship between magic and science can be verified in one hand and not in the other.... pause a bit and sip a cold drink and you will get where lam.How l wish, l'm a mystic teacher, but it's n't within my power right now. This covers the little l need to say while l urge you to keep on, on self purification and sanctification for when the body and soul is pure ( it's uncalled-for to add wine of the gods on broken bottle) the spirit and teachers will arrive and take position.
Christianity EtcRe: The Middle Path by smartn09(m): 4:29pm On Sep 10, 2017
Sarassin:
In praxis esoterica of the arcane sciences there are two main paths that practitioners will often identify with, one being the left hand path and the other being the right hand path. There is of course a third path, the path that I traverse, I call it the Middle Path.

All mystical practitioners will find themselves operating along one of these paths, whether they be Ceremonial Magician, Ritualists, denizens of witchcraft, Shamans, Animists or Religionists. As a practitioner of the Middle Path my remit is largely observation. I would observe deities watching over the madness of the worlds from their thrones, some would laugh and others weep, yet others will sweep their gaze over the sands of time and declare another age and another era. I glimpsed the ability of spirits, deities, angels and demons alike to affect our lives with less of an effort than is required to snuff out a candle. I observed these things conscientiously and undoubtedly I learned their secrets.

In describing the intricacies of the two main paths as I intend to do, it is inevitable that some of the deepest darkest magical secrets of the universe will emerge, to many this thread will make no sense, it is fully intended. The gods commanded that it is given to practitioners of the right hand path to perform their magickal operations when the moon is in ascendancy because when the moon has lost its ascendancy we are faced with the dark side of the moon and that is when those practitioners of the left hand path come out to play.

I will begin with a compendium of what it is to be a practitioner of the left hand path.
It's becoming pertinent that we get into discourse on the significant of such terms as occult, magic or initiation.Thinking through and fully comprehending the denotations of such terms , apart from their historical negative and even lurid connotations , it's fundamental and speedily calls for attention and critical analysis.The association of these words as black, white, right, left or middle path has uniformly, if l may be permitted to say, been the result of hysteria, narcissistic theatrics, capitalization by the Media, or a high level of complexes, psychosis and neurosis which the very practitioner has long been plagued with, it may most often be the major cause . should l say an urgent assistance is needed to liberate such practitioner to enable him traverse and further his spiritual development. Until then , he can't shed his wrongs and unreal concepts, thoughts, beliefs and ideas and he cannot be aware and conscious of his inner being. many of us has been on this path for quite long time, we knows real practitioners whenever they write or speaks , we have in the past bitten our tongues following occult writers who aren't practitioners but only out to deal with the guilibles for their penny .Get into practical work, if you need direction, l can , and l bait you, you will become silent for the spirit of silence is the spirit of wisdom. He who ever that must traverse the paths of wisdom must be called by the spirit. Don't get fed by hungry writers if not, they will cloud your view of personal growth and development. Happy moment.

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