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Henry240:
There is nothing spectacular in this vehicle. it's just an armoured car with a 30mm cannon. It's just like bragging about mounting a 30mm cannon on a Nigerian army Igirigi APC.

You know you talking nonsense.

It is way more sophisticated than anything Nigeria has ever produced. Your igiri APC is a piece of cr.ap everyone knows it.

AugustineAgain:
Prove it
.

Tell me this is media bias and boko boy sympathizers again
http://mobile.nytimes.com/2015/06/04/world/africa/abuses-nigeria-military-boko-haram-war-report.html?_r=0&referer=http://www.google.nl/search?q=Nigerian+military+accused+of+human+rights+abuses&client=ms-opera-mini&channel=new&gws_rd=cr&ei=suZOVvnyCsm_aKWDsJgH

AugustineAgain:
Every vehicle starts with prototype, Nyala or Mamba MRAP all began with prototype.

The Nigerian MRAP has passed computer image stage, it's under construction, see it behind our army engineers on inspection tour of Proforce, proudly made in Nigeria ARA MRAP....we will soon overtake South Africa in armoured vehicle production and sales like we did with GDP !

All Proforce products meet international standards, tested and confirmed !
.

Let's compare it to the RG-35 under development for UAE.

Where is Proforce I don't see them getting any exporting contracts.
Is there any reason why? Since they are manufacturing "superior" MRAP's.
http://defence.pk/threads/denel-to-develop-new-mrap-vehicles-for-uae.408520/

agaugust:
South Africa actually produces glorified civilian type Jeeps for your army.

BTWN, Toyota SUV is listed as part of SANDF fighting vehicles

See full photos of Nigerian made armoured vehicles http://www.proforcedefence.com/companyprofile.pdf
.

Show me anything better than this that your country produces.

agaugust:
You don't know what a computer image PROTOTYPE is ? The vehicle is still under-development, the computer image is just to market it.

Truly you are intellectually backward as we say

Really and we are supposed to believe a CAD generated prototype is better then the tried and tested Nyala's and Mamba's.

iblawi:
This is lovely.

So you finally got the pics.

Pls post the pics on the other thread let me deal with some confused people who steal western tech and claim to be the best while their head is empty.

We look forward to see your 3D prototypes.

agaugust:
[size=13pt] LOL....your story is a lie, so you are wasting your time on tales by moonlight

"The Nigerian Army has described as untrue media reports that 105 soldiers were missing after deadly attack by the Boko Haram insurgents."


http://dailypost.ng/2015/11/20/105-soldiers-not-missing-in-borno-army-spokesman/

SANDF runs when they hear the word...S..E..L..E..K..A [/size]

All I see is your soldiers entering Miss Abuja beauty contest.

Xbee007:
Man, you need help!!!

You need salvation Mr English.

Henry240:
It is clear enough.

The Proforce ARA or Thunder MRAP currently under-development is better than the Otokar Cobra.

I'm currently staring at the photo of the vehicle and specifications in my laptop, i just can't extract the image.

Ok can you also post the level of protection the Proforce Thunder has compared to the Cobra, Nyala or Mamba MRAP's.

Let's settle this debate.

Henry240:
I can assure you, it was an error. There vehicle is much much better than the Otokar cobra.

Can you explain the above statement please.

Xbee007:
Man you really need to work on your English, especially the punctuation aspect. Your write-up bears a lot of similarities with that of a someone who is just learning how to write.

Oh I see another one of the Pigeon English police brigade.

I will write in the way I deem fit on this thread. This is a forum you fool or must I write a thesis in punctual English so as to please you.

You don't know me so let's just leave this one aside and go suck on your Queen Elizabeth's *ass.

agaugust:
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[size=14pt] Africa's current most battle tested army wrecks Boko Haram ![/size]


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=toom3kZPIKc

South African army should come learn real war in Northern Nigeria, too much sleep makes SANDF fat
.

Its hard when you try and revitalize a dying horse shame.

I feel you shame you'll have to come up with something better.

105/2015 should be your new military name tag

agaugust:
Give us technical proof that it is low grade.



Proforce Nigeria produces world class military armoured vehicles comparable to world standards, tested and proven ballistic capabilities....our LAV products are superior to some American LAV of same class, we make better quality....better than even South Africa.

"“The Minister of Industry, Trade and Investment, Dr Olusegun Aganga, has been there; governors have been there and so many eminent people and they realised that the quality of our products vis-à-vis the quality of vehicles from Dubai and from the US are far better."

http://www.vanguardngr.com/2014/01/nigeria-produces-300-armoured-vehicles-annually/

Your opinion liar.

Go tell this crap to the average village I.diot.

Show us that it is better then an Nyala

So its superior to th Oshkosh also.

You are truly an delusional young man.

agaugust:
Proforce is posting a photo of their own look-alike of the Cobra under development, the windows and lights are different, true they used a Cobra photo as layout, but no big deal in that.

No copyright issue, the design is not peculiar to Turkey, as Russia has a similar APC design looking like a Cobra.

http://www.army-technology.com/projects/bpm-97-apc/

Turkey actually copied an old Russian year 1950design called BTR-152 http://survincity.com/2011/08/reincarnation-btr-152-bpm-97-the-shot/

Proforce Nigeria is right with that design, or you wanna arrest Russia first for a simple common sense design of BPM-97 APC?

You Southies just wanna accuse Nigeria's 100% owned and fast growing defence industry just because we finally exposed the European ownership of 90% of South African defence industry.

#WRECKED SOUTH AFRICAN ENVY LOADED ARGUMENT.

Go tell that nonsense to someone who actually will take you seriously.

You wrecked no one accept yourself. It has been proven the pic is fake.

Your problem DEAL WITH IT FRAUD

90% of what name them.

Denel own 100% of BAE land systems

Denel is 100% gov owned company.

Rheimatall is 49% owned by Denel.

You run to US/Europe for all things military. Your Buhari with his begging bowl were kicked in his face with the LEAHY LAW by the US Senate earlier this year.

Currently you are the laughing stock of africa.

Augubugu use your photo shop skills and go help find your lost soldiers and T-72.

I love it when you guys attempt to recover from a lost cause.

You post old hopelessly wrong info from former apartheid lovers.

For instance the nonsense you posted says we have crumbling runways WOW REALLY. Why didn't those reporters include that AFB Waterkloof's runways were upgraded also.
http://itweb.co.za/mobilesite/defenceweb/home/item_id-4950/

What I love about you guys and the former apartheid enthusiasts in your report is that they will try and paint a gloomy picture of just about everything yet they conveniently forget that those things they report as being rundown has been through upgrades.

I wish you luck @Ibalwi on you futile attempt to recover lost pride.

iblawi:
You are a confused person.
Compensate you for driving as a superman or compensate you for doing what others have not done before?

Why do you have insurance?

We have road accident fund that's is primarily geared towards the poor who use public transport. It helps them from the lose of income when they are injured in accidents so as to provide a means of income during recovery or lose of life.

This is a national free insurance that is open to every road accident victim regardless if you have insurance.

It is something that Nigeria should look at implementing in the near future because the costs of road accidents is mostly felt by those who can't afford insurance especially poor working class commuters.

iblawi:
What nonsense are you posting a random number from fake journalist who just want to write stories. Where was data collected from big lies Washington post not Nigerian post. Mumu

Go read the WHO report on road deaths in Nigeria which clearly shows you are ahead in road deaths in Sub sahara. The data comes from your own stats and WHO.

You want citations now you cry, deal with it. You were the one who is trying to derail things here by subverting issues on your grouse incompetent coward 100m record army runners.

Two different sources saying the exact same thing.

Deal with it

iblawi:
Provide source. Mumu

Another liar from South Africa.

There are 100 murders per day in Nigeria per 100 000. The only thing that keeps Nigeria, Brazil and Mexico below countries like Jamaica is there higher population that makes the ratio lower but the fact remains you kill more each day
http://top10for.com/top-10-countries-highest-murder-rate-2015/

iblawi:
They can't understand anything when they can't take care of poachers killing their armed officers.

Show us proof of poachers killing armed forces.

Nigeria don't even have any wildlife to protect anymore it has all been poached decades ago by your hungry bush meat traders.

iblawi:
The number of people that died in South Africa yearly from crime and road accident is more than double the total number of people Boko Haram have killed in the last six years.


A country where at least 50 people die a day from crime and 1000 people die monthly from raid accident.

50*30 = 1500 + 1000 = 2500

2500 people die in South Africa monthly from crime and road accident alone. MINUS THE NUMBER OF SOLDIERS POACHERS KILL DAILY.

http://streetgist.com/horrific-crash-claims-32-lives-in-south-africa/

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/sep/29/south-africa-a-country-at-war-as-rate-soars-to-nearly-49-a-day

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/sep/29/south-africa-a-country-at-war-as-rate-soars-to-nearly-49-a-day

I guess you guys don't know your problem is more than ours.

Changing the topic won't save your *ass from the embarrassment of your useless soldiers that got kidnapped or ran away in woman clothes all the way to Chad.

What the hell does road accidents have to do with military matters.


If you wanna take it there read how your road deaths per 100 000 is worse then SA
http://www.fitila.ng/talking-road-casualties-in-nigeria/

In Nigeria its getting worse daily with 140 road deaths per day. That makes it double that of SA murder and road deaths combined. Now do the maths 140*30 in road deaths and I'm not even including your own homicide deaths.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/roads-kill-the-toll-of-traffic-accidents-are-rising-in-poor-countries/2014/01/12/b1065922-56d2-11e3-8304-caf30787c0a9_story.html

Next time before you attempt trying to change a topic and derail the thread, you should first look into your own country's problems before attempting another disaster.

Henry240:
What i mean is stories of human rights abuses are posted by citizens in the social media (Nairaland, Twitter et al), Army or Police authorities swiftly pick up on those stories, arrest and prosecute the officers and men/cadets involved.

Their dismissal and trial are posted on the various social media accounts for everyone to see.

Now, don't act all innocent, as we, you and I, (Nigeria, South-Africa) are in the same boat of despicable human rights abuses.

No we are not in the same boat. Not according to Amnesty International or Human Rights watch.

We don't kill and detain over 7000 people or burn innocent villagers to revenge our soldiers, in just one year.

Whether SA or Nigerian if soldiers or police commit such acts it is our duty to bring them to justice.

iblawi:
We are not seriously because you military go extra length by raping girls and infecting them with HIV. And if for any reason they don't find any girl to rape they will gang rape their female commanders.

Proof have been provided severally on this thread.

While your military has beyond this in Liberia and Sierra Leon. Your military has been accused of robbing people at check points and murdering old man.

Infact currently there's been reports on how you've killed, burned entire villagers and decapitation of militants by claiming they have supernatural powers(juju magic) . Human rights organizations are accusing you of crimes against humanity.

If I were you I will take it slow
http://mobile.nytimes.com/2015/06/04/world/africa/abuses-nigeria-military-boko-haram-war-report.html?_r=0&referer=http://www.google.nl/search?q=Nigerian+military+accused+of+human+rights+abuses&client=ms-opera-mini&channel=new&gws_rd=cr&ei=suZOVvnyCsm_aKWDsJgH

Henry240:
It's a very effective system.

If you say so

Xbee007:
What embarrassing news? 105 soldiers is not 105 billion of naira that will just dissappear just like that. They are armed to the teeth and I believe they would have gallantly defended themselves against BH.

They could've been killed, captured or in their usual cowardice action took to there heels wearing woman clothing on there way to the Chadian border.

bidexiii:
It has not being confirmed by the NA or defence HQ. More over 105 soldiers is a mere speculation.

The same way they said 200 chibok girls were also mere speculation.

Henry240:
I hope you know that's not Nigeria?


The Nigerian military has multiple methods in place in dealing with human rights abuses including the extensive use of social media (Nairaland, Facebook and twitter).

That's why I specifically avoided naming any country for my personal NL safety

jteku:
West African soldier's are the most brutal soldiers in Africa

This borders on crimes against humanity. This is the reason why a certain West African nation is denied western weapons systems.

If a soldier don't have basic education this is exactly what happens. Then we wonder why terror groups has a endless line of willing recruits waiting for there 72 virgins.

Even when we at war we should never loose our humanity no matter how much we hate the enemy.

Henry240:
Our Regional Maritime Capability Programme is better.

Yet you are the piracy hot spot of the maritime world today. That so called system cannot even protect your 800km coastline.

How come that Regional Maritime Capability Program did nothing to detect and avoid 4 soldiers losing there lives.
http://m.news24.com/news24/Africa/News/Pirates-attack-military-base-in-Nigeria-5-dead-20150808

Henry240:
Mumu South-African!


Why don't you name the African country which faces a North-Korea or Russia type threat in Africa?

You said the training was inferior yet when you are now proven wrong you shift goal post.

It won't kill you to admit your wrongs you now Henry

Henry240:
Yes, the Nigerian military did not learn anything new it did not previously know. Amani Africa II in terms of training, for a country like Nigeria, was only a Jamboree, a Carnival.



We did not learn anything.


I mean, the tactics employed by the SANDF as well as the tiny nations who joined the ACIRC are from the 70s. Those tactics have no place in today's battle field..

Yes according to Henry an co who is now qualified as Generals.

iblawi:
I wish they could say something different from what you coated. Their is absolutely nothing special about them. dull brains.

There's nothing special about you too. You import one naval surveillance system and then conclude its a military wide battle management system.

Nigeria imports everything not even your comms is indigenous something that's very important especially in todays world of EW proliferation. You don't own the codes to anything electronic.