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Dtruthspeaker:
Projecting your delusion only shows how deeply rooted it is in you.

Then, you said "every single time you open your mouth, you label people who disagree with you as "enemies of God" and "God haters"." And now I have shown you examples of people who disagreed with me and I did not call them enemies of God and now you don't have anything to say but repeat yourself.

And your delu is so huge that it is not allowing you see that it is already proven beyond every doubt that atheists are God haters and enemies of God.

As already shown here, there are only 2 groups of people here in religion, God lovers and God haters. And no reasonable person can say that you are not a God hater. Same thing for every other atheists, so, that is settled already.

Then all your people's quotes on death don't address the point of this thread which is you all who are enemies of God MUST live and di. e in great fear and tremor when deathing starts.

And I am not threatening you it is your own soul who is making you afraid because I have reminded you and it of what it knows is coming for the both of you, for i have made all the arguments that I can reasonably make and so now I stop and say God, life and experience should take over the matter.

So i have said all i should say and now I leave it to life and experience.

"Experience does not whisper truths; it shouts them, loud enough to shatter our illusions" Anonymous

So i urge you to live your life without being afraid of death and tell someone to call me to your death bed side let me come and see if you indeed are not trembling like others before you.

Dtruthspeaker:
You say i label people who disagree with as "enemies of God" and "God haters".
Here i am on this thread and this person disagrees with me where is the label?
https://www.nairaland.com/8660762/why-god-called-almighty#139231241

Or is it this person in this threadhttps://www.nairaland.com/8655994/what-youve-been-taught-fear/1#139198204

So, you see, you are only over reacting because you are truly a God hater which you yourself have expressed being an atheist. So I have only identified who you are which is you are a God hater and I said it.

It would definitely be a lie call you a God lover, so I am in very good order as i told you there are only 2 groups of people here in religion, God lovers and God haters. And it is, what it is.

And whereas, whilst God lovers listen, consider and measure the opinions of you anti God people, you anti God people never entertain our opinions, You only see God in your bad anti God light and where we answer and correct one of your queries, you just simply move on to raise another issue raising another bad light of anti Godism.

So, you anti God people are not here for Truth but are here to get Church goers to join you in the peril of anti Godism and God enemyship.

So, it is you who is not here for Truth and so, i won't waste my time.

And on this topic i have expressed my opinion which you do not like but I don't care as all we both have to do is simply watch and see what will happen in our lives, for i love how life and living levels and destroys every argument.

"Experience does not whisper truths; it shouts them, loud enough to shatter our illusions" Anonymous

So, i am happy you disagree with me, so now let's see what life shall do to us and let us see who laments on the death bed and who dies with smiles on their faces

Dtruthspeaker:
To me, the point of any discussion is to determine which opinion is the better/best option to be used for good living. Exactly like in car talk the argument of 20w50 oil vs 5w30 oil. Argument is for the purpose of determining the better option.

However, in religion more than every other subject, people's biases are super high and they are arguing either to attack others which is what atheists primarily do or to defend their stand. Most people are not appreciating that it is about their life and death as you yourself have seen in ecclesiastes or rather they simply do not care. (But I do.)

So, in the end the argument reveals there are 2 clear groups, God lovers and God haters/enemies of God with their biases.

And, you already know as i told you before, you can never force anyone to accept an opinion even if it is most reasonable. And this is where I have no other choice but to remind them that all these arguments have to do with life and death and that there is are certain things we have already seen which is that on death beds, anti Godism stops.

And I was actually coming to raise a thread about how everyone loses their anti Godism on their death beds only for this thread to come be raised, so unfortunately for you guys, i am already all fired up.

And your problem is that i do not fulfill the stereotypes you know for i do not really preach and i am not here to "win souls". I am here only for Truth.

I am here to learn it, test it, discover it, stand for it and defend it and that is why I am always arguing here.

And since i am not trying to win souls, i am free to say the whole Truth and nothing but the Truth not caring who might be offended by it cos

"Our society strives to avoid any possibility of offending anyone – except God." — Billy Graham

So
"If the truth offends, then let it offend. People have been living their whole lives in offense to God; let them be offended for a while." — John MacArthur

Dtruthspeaker:
Now you are seeing why attack enemies of God with death bed issues because in that horrible day, all these anti Godism stops. There is no argument whatsoever. Every dying soul on that day is now in sweat filled trepidation and in crippling fear of God. I saw it all around me.

And so the question i put to the living who still have many more years on earth is why would you live your life being an enemy of God only for you to disturb the living and God when you are on your death bed?

And worse, on that day it is even over too late. (Yes, i said it and I always say it. Anyone telling you that you can repent on your death bed is lying to you and I know we have all seen many people repenting and praying on their death beds. But let's say the Truth, did it work?

I definitely say 'No! It didn't work."

So, i put it to the living does it make any sense to live a life being an enemy of God only for you to start sweating in terrifying fear when death comes?

Dtruthspeaker:
Whether old or young when a condemd is dying, it is always a horrible experience. I just went through the experience of watching a family member die yesterday and so now I know first hand a lot more about dying and death. And i pity all those who are enemies of God. There is no escaping God and it is on that day you would real eyes why Solomon said fear God.

Cc SpyMaster1

Dtruthspeaker:
Your persistent abuse only makes you look bad and pho0 as Insults are the arguments employed by those who are in the wrong. Jean R. Jacques.

And you are only making noises because you lost and now you are trying to rage bait me into arguing with you.

Lose hope boy for from the very beginning you knew you had lost the argument hence why you hung on to repetitions until you fell for the trap i set for you, which you must fall for for there is no valid argument against the Truth! 🤣🤣

So cry all you want, it won't change the fact that you lost 😁😁🤣🤣

Dtruthspeaker:
Hahahahahahaha! 😂😂😂.

O boy, forget it.😁
You can't turn your goofing mistake around. 😁 And you are just making it worse by asking me to defend inference when the ink of you wailing about removing inference so that we use only literal words has not even dried yet! 😁😁😁

Not to talk of your attempt to reverse my laughing at you. 😁 😁🤣

Nor to talk about your vain repetitions that have already been addressed 🤣🤣🤣

You never had anything to say other than to dodge, deny and repeat as there is no ground sustaining your opinion, so now you are crying for the mistake you have been making since. hahahaha 😁🤣🤣🤣

Dtruthspeaker:
Hahahahahahaha! Oh my chest😁. How very funny 😁😁. Hoohoo. Let me breathe first. 😁😁😁.

Its always fun engaging you atheists..😁

Now that you see that you cannot deny that inference is a part and parcel of reading any literature and that you have no reasonable ground to sustain your bias besides repetition, you have now resorted to deflection and ad hominem fallacy and fallacy of reversing the burden of proof 😁😁😁

So you see, you have have used your own hand to confirm your impenitence and unreasonable bias and everything i told you that you were doing by now complaining that we should remove inference from a written document just because you don't like the meaning the inference has given. 😁😁😁

Meanwhile, you yourself are still making inferences from that document itself 😁😁 eg you say he says "Life under the sun feels meaningless". Meanwhile the preacher did not literally say so but you inferred it. Yet you complain that I should not use inference. 😁😁😁😁😁😁😁

Who does not put inference in a written thing? Even all the threads and posts here are subjected to inference exactly as you inferred that my post to you on impertinence was me preaching to you whereas, i was inferring another thing.😁

So, you see, its your mistake and fallt and that is why you atheists are always wrong and the wrong. 😁 😁 😁😁🤣

Dtruthspeaker:
SpyMaster1, This guys threads are for you but as usual, you wont heed it

Topic: THE BATTLES YOU MUST WIN (99)
THE GATE OF A SOFTENED HEART — OVERCOMING IMPENITENCE IN CHRIST

[b]Impenitence is the hardened state of a heart that refuses to repent, even when confronted with truth. It resists correction, ignores conviction, [/b]and gradually shuts the door to God’s mercy.

And this is what destroys every atheists, church goers and anyone who refuses to learn that God Rules and that His Will will always be done

Dtruthspeaker:
You atheists never real eyes that all atheism is fuelled by bias and prejudice which you have exhibited all through this thread. And that is why rather than present a reasonable counter you chose to resort to the fallacy of over generalisation in an attempt to defend yourself.

As i said when bias people are looking for a fallt, they would use anything to say that it is flawed.

And to the issue, you are just repeating yourself as you have said all these before and i have answered is it until a book says that it is a confession before you know that it is a confession?

And your denial is even more funny as the writer makes several confessions for you to infer eg

"I said in mine heart, Go to now, I will prove thee with mirth, therefore enjoy pleasure.

I builded me houses; I planted me vineyards:

7 I got me servants and maidens, and had servants born in my house;

10 And whatsoever mine eyes desired I kept not from them, I withheld not my heart from any joy;

And everything you have said now, you have said before which is the proof of bias as you refuse to accept that there is a thing called inference against statements made in a document or book.

Which is why even in English comprehension, after we were given a story, we were asked "what is theme/subject matter of the story?" Eg. The Concubine by Elechi Amadi, is even a story about a woman, and the men in her life, yet every reasonable person infers that the story is about how certain women are cusd and the form the cus takes shape.

And every one who went to school learnt to apply inference to every document but here you are refusing and dodging the inference of Ecclesiastes and choosing to rely solely on the strict and literal interpretation.

That is the clear case of confirmation bias, a thing which every atheists and anti God person must do, as you can not be comfortable with any pro God information.

Dtruthspeaker:
It is not the normal standard. All these are things biased people look for when they want to find fallt in a thing that is their object of bias. And writing anonymously has never been wrong, so your judgement is based on prejudice.

That aside, you are only repeating yourself holding on to your denial as you yourself have already confessed that the preacher was depressed and has resigned himself to his fate after all his clear attempts to remove God from himself.

But that Truth makes you uncomfortable which is why you are in denial and have a need to bend it, into a way that makes you comfortable which is the view of whether the things he says are right or not.

And you can see Christians don't care about that small view for they are already covered even better by other parts of the Bible.

Meanwhile, you want to ignore the greater meaning of ecclesiastes, which is about the futility of going against God.

And since you even agree with the preacher, it clearly proves that you too, like the preacher are anti God, and so you are in denial of the fact that the preacher tells you that your enterprise is vain.

And i already told you that it ended that way because the preacher is aware that akm his acts were very much public and already known and recorded but your bias and denial will not allow you accept it.

So, as you rightly observed, the preacher spends time on the things of life you men seek and pursue, declaring that vanity meets you all.

However, Christians we have a different outcome, life is very sweet and death is even sweeter as we know that we are going to a better world than this. And funny, the Solomon did not find this, however, his father who even taught him to put him in the position to gain his wisdom was even wiser than him to see it.

And while the father died a happy forgiven man, remembered by God,he died sorrowfully a rejected man that God even raised another "David" to replace him like saul.

So, you see, his words and the things he suffered teach us Christians why it is f∅∅...ish to go against God.

For you, you can take what you want to take but I don't vanity has any profit or use to anyone but maybe it is useful to you.

Dtruthspeaker:
It is a special atheistic bias standard as the normal standard of measurement of Truth, is that a book is judged by its contents and not by its cover or use of language.

Putting that aside, i see that your only interest in Ecclesiastes is not to discover why he wrote it depressingly but in the futility and hopelessness of life, which is a cus God gives to all ungodlies.

So, when preacher Solomon cries that all is vain, we Christians laugh at him for that is what happens to those who go fighting and rebelling against God.

Which is why much as you do not wish to accept the Truth the main point of ecclesiastes is him confessing his failures in his attempt to evade and live without God leading to confess that his father was right and that man should Fear God,

And it takes a special bias and powerful denial to block accepting that the preacher is Solomon whom you saw lived in deliberate defiance of God, as the preacher still confessed in Ecclesiastes.

Dtruthspeaker:
Interesting. Never heard this before.

Now, i can see the beginning of your problems.

Secondly, your basis of unbelief is quite ridiculous as it is funny you accept proverbs but dispute ecclesiastes even when the person opens Ecclesiastes saying words of "the Preacher, the son of David, king in Jerusalem.". Then your basis is on language preference and that he never named himself "Solomon".

So, when people write it is out of place for them not to mention their names?

And so when Eminem (Marshall Mathers) wrote "i'm slim shady" it was no longer Marshall Mathers? This is ridiculous.

Since you are an atheist this is just you using a flimsy and ridiculous excuse to justify your refusal in accepting the bible.

So, already you have a hidden unreasonable bias against the Bible a first barrier before you now go into the contents of the bible.

Hence, your strict and unreasonable alignment with Ecclesiastes is simply born out of the fact you both share the same depression that falls on God rebellers and haters hence your unreasonable refusal to accept things which upset your atheistic beliefs.

Hence proof of denial

Dtruthspeaker:
Why do you keep using the word "traditionally"? This means that you do not agree as your statement "But even if we accept that Solomon wrote it" says.

So, already you have a problem which is that you do not believe that it is Solomon who wrote the Ecclesiastes

Why do you not think it is Solomon who wrote it?

Dtruthspeaker:
First let me clear the funny thing you are doing for you keep saying "the preacher, the preacher". So, id the preacher in Ecclesiastes not Solomon?

Dtruthspeaker:
You are just making me repeat myself for i told you earlier that why would he do that when he already knows what God Commanded "do not go after other gods"/ "thou shalt not multiply thy wives yet he willfully and deliberately disobeys.

Then the same he who went after other gods now tells you "Fear God, and keep his commandments:"

As i said i cannot force you to accept what is in front of you eyes

Dtruthspeaker:
Why would he mention his 1000 women when he can tell us why he gathered them?

"I said in mine heart, Go to now, I will prove thee with mirth, therefore enjoy pleasure.

I builded me houses; I planted me vineyards:

7 I got me servants and maidens, and had servants born in my house;

10 And whatsoever mine eyes desired I kept not from them, I withheld not my heart from any joy;

As I said, you are heavy in denial and you cannot accept the Truth laid before your very eyes. Anyway, Truth is never easy to swallow especially as people prefer lies over Truth. That is why satan is nearly always successful in catching men

Dtruthspeaker:
How can you be looking for "I rebelled against God and now I admit defeat." when you have already been given every fact for you to infer?

For example, you see and said that he went after other gods yet he says at the end Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man.

14 For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing,

Again, you see he appropriated 1000 women, an obviously deliberate number done against God's Commandment of thou shalt not multiply thy wives, and yet, you are still looking for Solomon to say to you "I rebelled against God and now I admit defeat."?

C'mon man, you are swimming in gross denial and truth is that while i can only present you the with the facts and argue them as i can reasonably do, i cannot force you to accept the impression and meaning of them.

Dtruthspeaker:
How can you be looking for "I rebelled against God and now I admit defeat." when you have already been given every fact for you to infer?

For example, you see and said that he went after other gods yet he says at the end Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man.

14 For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing,

Again, you see he appropriated 1000 women, an obviously deliberate number done against God's Commandment of thou shalt not multiply thy wives, and yet, you are still looking for Solomon to say to you "I rebelled against God and now I admit defeat."?

C'mon man, you are swimming in gross denial and truth is that while i can only present you the with the facts and argue them as i can reasonably do, i cannot force you to accept the impression and meaning of them.

Dtruthspeaker:
You cannot read ecclesiastes without that background because no one says anything out of nothing. Everything always has a cause and a reason. So since you have read about his acts, therefore you can see (if you truly want to see) all that causes him to say what he says in Ecclesiastes.

And why would he say "i rebelled against The Lord" when he already knows that people have already seen his acts?

This is a case of you refusing to see and accept the Truth right in front of you

We swallow greedily any lie that flatters us, but we sip only little by little at a truth we find bitter.- Dennis Diderot.

Well, i understand

People get to choose between the sweet lie or the bitter truth. I say the bitter truth, but many people don't want it. -Avigdor Lieberman

Dtruthspeaker:
It seems like you never heard and read about Solomon before you read ecclesiastes or you are pretending for you will not understand ecclesiastes without you first reading about Solomon to understand why he said the things he says in Ecclesiastes. And so it is no speculation.

The bible showed us his intentions and the acts he did to fulfil those intentions and from God's rejection and cast out of him, we can see that he therefore did those things with the same bad intention we all know.

So, as i said, you just want to look at ecclesiastes from the narrow view as you do not want to see the whole Truth you first saw when you declared that Ecclesiastes is written in sorrowful despair.

So now you are running from the effects of the whole of it to try to bring focus on the subjects like justice, death etc he raised in your denial. Forgetting that those subjects are also even taken care of and complimented by other writings in the bible.

So, those subjects were not your original pursuit but you yourself observed that Ecclesiastes was written depressively.

The truth will set you free, but first it will make you miserable" - James A. Garfield

Better to get hurt by the truth than comforted with a lie." — Khaled Hosseini

"Denial ain't just a river in Egypt- Mark Twain

MaxInDHouse:
The Preacher supports the resurrection that is why he concluded saying:

For the true God will judge every deed, including every hidden thing, as to whether it is good or bad. Ecclesiastes 12:14
If there is no resurrection how can there be judgement? John 5:28-29🤔

Dtruthspeaker:
Clearly because you don't want to see the full picture for you forget that we too like God, can read his mind and see his intentions.

And his intention was to live away from God's control hence he did only the things that would naturally make God hate him and remove His Hand from him.

And we all know why he is doing that and what/where he is heading to.

For funny, why did he now not do the goodestess things that would make God over love him?

The truth is, he simply wanted to prove that God could be dispensed with especially against his father who feared God i am sure in his mind he said "too much".

So, we can all see that he planned on proving that God is useless and dispensable and that is why we see God quickly kick him out and rejected him and reffered every righteous king to his father, completely skipping him.

So, all the things you are describing was Solomon's attempt to mock, disgrace and humiliate God, exactly as atheists all tried to do. But in the end it is only failures and sorrows and mournings that they shall get.

So, it is not out of piety that it ended that way but out of a loud resounding defeat which God made him announce since Solomon planned to openly disgrace and humiliate Him.

You obviously forget that God Sees all the things we have in mind.

MaxInDHouse:
Here the Preacher is telling us that both humans and animals have the same energy that keeps us living so at death nothing survives either man or animal not that there we won't be a resurrection.
It's your preconceived thought regarding life after death that makes it difficult for you to grasp.
Most religions teaches that at death something comes out of us which lives afterwards that's what the Preacher condemned as falsehood because nothing survives us do at death we cease to exist!

Dtruthspeaker:
Your observation is well on point save one or two things I see you do not get.

On the first view, everything you have said is 100% correct. However, if you go through it Deeply, you would see that Solomon was obviously trying to remove God from his mind and life like Isreal did and he sought to live as if there was no God. Hence we see him doing everything to shake and remove God from himself hence as you rightly observed, he was trying to live as if God did not exist or was distant.

Hence, what you call "experiments" is him seeking and trying out different ways in which he thought that he may use to break out of the System and Hand of God.

And that is why you see in response God rejected him as God had done to Saul.

And that is why you see that the whole of ecclesiastics is him confessing his deep and great attempts to evade God and the failures of it, leading him to confess that in the end God, is God and that no man can defeat Him. And that his father was right, Fear God for everything man plans to do without God is vain.

So, the bottomline of ecclesiastes is that there is no escaping God's Hand and system no matter how hard you try

MaxInDHouse:
This is where you got the Preacher wrong!

What the preacher is saying is that we will die whether we are righteous or not but there is a reward for righteous people: God will remember them!

For the true God will judge every deed, including every hidden thing, as to whether it is good or bad. Ecclesiastes 12:14

This means there is a reward for being righteous and Job said:

O that in the Grave you would conceal me, That you would hide me until your anger passes by, That you would set a time limit for me and remember me! If a man dies, can he live again? I will wait all the days of my compulsory service Until my relief comes. You will call, and I will answer you. You will long for the work of your hands. Job 14:13-15

God has given His only begotten Son the authority {Matthew 28:18} to call the dead back to life {John 5:28-29; 11:25} so there will be a resurrection of the RIGHTEOUS (faithful servants of God) and the UNRIGHTEOUS (honest hearted individuals who live by conscience) Act 24:15

But the WICKED (deliberate evildoers) will not be remembered because they are of no good use so they remain in their graves forever! Psalms 9:17

MaxInDHouse:
What you need is a Bible study!

Ecclesiastes simplified everything in the Bible whatever we are struggling to get is not real because we will still die anyway and if you think your children will inherit your wealth what assurance do you have?
We came to earth empty handed and so we return empty handed our only hope is if God finds us worthy to come back and live again! Job 14:13-15

Dtruthspeaker:
No where did Solomon deny God . Rather, what you see is a man who used all his resources, might and intellect in an attempt to beat, burst and nullify God's Hold on man.

So, He never at any point denied God, he just thought like atheists that God could be beaten.

But alas, he saw it was a complete vanity and that is what you see him confess in frustrated exasperation.