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gidgiddy:
You are laughable

Where in the world do the living standards of people get much worse after a President comes in, and that President is loved for it?

Understandable. Although if we are to look at matters objectively, what has he done in governance and the policies he has established that is worse than previous administrations?

Kalashnikov49:
They sent you to come and gauge the populace right?

Tell them that even if he rigs that his region will suffer after his exit. To save you guys declaration of Oduduwa Republic is your saviour. Apart from that , una go cry blood

Oga they no send me o . I just wan see others opinions for the matter.

Where are the people who don't support Tinubu in this thread sef?

It feels like many people have one extreme opinion of Tinubu or the other. He is either the worst thing to ever happen to Nigeria or he is our savior.
A lot of his economic moves like subsidy removal, FX reforms, and trying to increase government revenue should benefit Nigeria over time on paper. So I can understand to that level why people would like him at least to that level. At the same time, I understand why many feel the hardship is too much and that the government didn’t cushion it well, even though much of the cushioning depended on institutions or lack thereof that was already in place before Tinubu came in.

I'm interested in hearing more on why people dislike him, what about Tinubu is so much worse than past Presidents? Not looking at it in the sense of the overall state of the economy which depends on many things but in terms of governance.

danvon:
I partially understand your point but i disagree

Russia was very backward compared to the rest of Europe, but after the Tsar was overthrown it actually led to rapid industrialization that placed Russia and Soviet Union on par with the USA, that industrialization could have never happened under the Tsars.

USA was created for the very sole purpose of escaping the limitations of a monarchy society, limitations like one prince inheriting very large estates, estates that would otherwise have been used for agriculture or manufacturing but under monarchy it becomes a symbol of influence and power; being barred from certain places and opportunities simply because you didnt possess the right honorific; waging a war every time a King dies etc

China under Qing dynasty seriously stagnated and this led to the century of humiliation, China had to abandon monarchy and learn somethings from USA.

Germany's industrial boom didnt happen under the Kaiser, it happened under Otto Von Bismarck.

France industrial global peak began during the French revolution and Napoleonic era.

You made a point that the industrial capacity was already in those countries before they overthrew the monarchy, this is true but in those countries of high industrial capacity you'll find out that the monarchy was severely weakened to the point of being a status ceremonial symbol because the monarchy system by itself is usually opposed to industrial capacity and merely tolerates it when it becomes unavoidable.

The very idea of being a king is that you are born with a special and greater destiny than everybody else, how do you reconcile the principle of democracy and equality with such an idea?

How do you promote industrial capacity in a society where any work aside from warfare and politics is seen as degrading, fit for peasants and slaves?

How can a country know its industrial capacity if it doesnt eliminate certain parasitic elements from its society?

It's true Russia was behind Western Europe, prior to the abolishment of monarchy, but Russia's Industrial growth had already started before the Tsar fell. The Soviet Union did industrialize extremely faster but that was because the state forced it through centralized planning not because there was an inherent flaw with monarchy preventing industrialization.

U.S was not actually created to escape the "limitations of a monarchial society" like so many people think. America's reason for leaving Britain control was mainly due to the British taxing and control their affairs when not being represented by British parliament. They wanted their own colonial assembly that represented them to decide what taxes they pay to Britain so it was initially not an attempt for separation from Britain or the British monarchy but for internal governance. It was only independence got pushed alongside anti-monarchy sentiment when the British King, George III rejected their proposal. The actual development of the U.S came about through factors that have nothing to do with monarchy vs democratic republic but have to do with land seizure (the land the US sits on itself is one big land seizure as it originally belonged to the Native Americans), unbridled exploitative capitalism, and one of the largest slave labour force in recorded history. So it was not the case either that the US development came with "democracy and equality".

In the case of China, after the Qing dynasty ended, modernization did not happen immediately. It fragmented, was destabilized and struggled to build a develop state for decades depending on how you count it, therefore it does not suggest ending monarchy is a cause of development. Indeed, the Qing dynasty attempted industrialization but failed due to constraints such as a weak state capacity which led to industrialization not being able to be enforced nationwide. So your point here has more to do with a weak state capacity than it does a monarchial system as non-monarchial systems and democratic republics can also have weak state capacity and thereby face similar issues.

In Germany, Otto von Bishmarck governed within Germany's monarchial system, under the Kaiser so it is not fair to say Germany's industrial boom did not happen under the Kaiser.

On France, the second empire by Napoleon III was a monarchy in practice, it was still a life-long ruler with centralized executive authority as well as limited parliamentary control. Indeed, what Napoleon overthrew to become sovereign was a republic. So this only helps prove my original point that monarchy is potentially a superior form of government.

In my view, it's not really true that a monarchial system is inherently opposed to industrialization or even usually like you said. Why should it be? Also, a lot of major industrialization happened under monarchies that were not just ceremonial. Germany's Kaiser had real executive power and the industrial boom happened under that monarchial system. Japan in the Meiji era saw industrialization with a monarch who was not merely ceremonial. Russia under the Tsar was not a ceremonial monarchial system and industrialization was pushed.

As to your last point, my view is: Democracy is a system where the people risk the state of their country continually by gambling over and over on which politician would lead them. Monarchy, on the other hand, if approached correctly— is simply a system where the people are wise enough to equip the state to effectively prepare and secure a competent leader/leaders ahead of time, as well as have systems in place that can appropriately check, remove and replace such a leader.

IbnB:
Find a way to pump up your IQ dude

Are you Nigerian? If you are, tell me how much you've gained from democracy in Nigeria.

Fenrir:
Block me and you prove everything about yourself.

And its only 3 weeks. So ill be back.

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Yep, proving that I don't want to deal with a troll.

Fenrir:
The "Hook-Body-Conclusion" Sandwich
​AI is trained on a standard essay structure that it rarely deviates from unless forced.
​The Hook: It starts with a relatable observation ("Many times, we argue..." to pull you in.
​The Transition: It uses a "Two big forces" thesis statement to set the roadmap.
​The Conclusion: It wraps up with a "So yes..." summary that mirrors the opening. This level of clean, circular closure is very typical of LLMs (Large Language Models).
​High Level Syntactic Predictability
​If you look at the transitions between paragraphs, they are "too smooth." Humans often jump between ideas or leave gaps in logic. AI uses clear, directional signposting:
​"Next, consider..."
​"And then..."
​"The design has not disappeared..."
​"So yes..."
​Balanced Information Pacing
​AI is designed to be "helpful" and "comprehensive." Notice how it perfectly balances the two themes it promised:
​Paragraphs 3 to 5: Dedicated to the Slave Trade (Population loss, economic shifts).
​Paragraphs 6 to 8: Dedicated to Colonialism/Post-Colonialism (Extraction, infrastructure).
The word count for each section is almost mathematically balanced, which is a hallmark of AI trying to cover all bases of a prompt equally.
​4. Use of "Imagine this" or "Picture this"
​AI models frequently use the "Imagine..." trope to explain complex statistics or historical scales. It is a common technique used by AI to simplify data (like the population percentages) into an emotional narrative. While humans do this too, AI relies on it as a primary tool for "empathy simulation."
​5. The "On the one hand/On the other" Nuance
​The text avoids taking a "radical" or "messy" stance. It acknowledges local agency ("Yes, there were wars before..." while maintaining the primary argument about external forces. This "balanced nuance" is a built-in safety and quality alignment in AI it is programmed to acknowledge multiple sides of a historical context to remain objective.

Lol we have seen enough of your "AI detector" on Nairaland to know how incompetent it is. Ironically, anyone can take one look at your posts and see sharp signs of AI. You are clearly on Nairaland to be a troll. And since you announced that you will continue to harass me with foolish, off-topic posts full of distorted facts then I will happily just block you again after the 3 weeks passes lol.

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Fenrir:
Let’s accept everything wobblystop says first. No resistance, no minimising.
Yes, the transatlantic slave trade devastated West Africa.
Yes, British colonialism fused incompatible polities, centralised power, and designed extraction economies.
Yes, infrastructure was built for ports, not productivity.
Yes, those effects didn’t magically disappear in 1960.
All true.
Now comes the part people dodge.
Those facts explain initial conditions, not permanent outcomes.
History explains where you start.
It does not explain why you stay there once sovereignty exists.
That’s not moral judgment. That’s causal logic.
So how do we test whether colonial damage = destiny?
You don’t test it with emotion.
You test it with comparative cases.
Case 1: Japan
Japan didn’t just lose a war.
It lost cities, industry, infrastructure, millions of people, and had two nuclear weapons dropped on it.
Tokyo, Osaka, Hiroshima, Nagasaki, Yokohama flattened.
Supply chains annihilated.
State legitimacy shattered.
Occupied by a foreign power.
That is not “colonial inconvenience”.
That is total civilisational rupture.
Yet within years: public transport restored
bureaucracy rebuilt
education prioritised
industrial policy coordinated
corruption punished hard
Japan didn’t recover because it was “special”.
It recovered because post crisis elites made discipline non negotiable.
Case 2: Singapore
Colonised.
Resource poor.
Ethnically fragmented.
Kicked out of Malaysia.
No hinterland. No oil. No farmland.
Every excuse Nigeria uses, Singapore had worse.
What changed the trajectory? zero tolerance for corruption
ruthless civil service standards
export led manufacturing
education tied to productivity
elite accountability enforced
Colonialism didn’t disappear.
Excuses did.
Case 3: Norway
Colonised by Denmark for 400 years.
Then ruled by Sweden.
Poor, agrarian, peripheral.
No early industrial advantage.
Independence didn’t magically fix anything.
What did? institution building before welfare
rule of law before redistribution
oil revenue locked behind transparency
political culture that punishes elite theft
Norway didn’t become rich because it forgot history.
It became rich because it refused to outsource responsibility to history.
Now back to Nigeria.
Nigeria gained sovereignty in 1960.
From that moment on: budgets were Nigerian
laws were Nigerian
police were Nigerian
courts were Nigerian
oil revenue was Nigerian
What followed? elite looting
ethnic patronage
hollow institutions
military coups
oil rent capture
zero consequences
That is not colonialism continuing.
That is choice repeating.
Here’s the logical trap wobblystop can’t escape:
If slavery and colonialism fully explain Nigeria’s present state, then: elite accountability is immoral
reform is pointless
corruption is understandable
and progress is impossible
That position doesn’t defend Nigerians.
It infantilises them.
It says: “You were hurt once, therefore you can never be responsible again.”
That’s not historical honesty.
That’s permanent excuse architecture.


Japan rebuilt.
Singapore disciplined itself.
Norway governed clean.
Shit happens.
What’s your excuse now?

You made an off-topic, irrelevant, AI reeking post. You were called out and you returned to make several others. Blocked.

Fenrir:
No one is denying slavery or colonial damage. That’s not the argument.
What you’re doing is selective history leading to selective victimhood.
Violence, slavery, and exploitation did not begin with Europeans. West Africa already had wars, raids, internal slavery, and empire expansion long before any white man arrived. Nigerians were raping, killing, enslaving, and selling other Nigerians centuries before the transatlantic trade.
And let’s be honest about agency. Europeans did not march inland en masse kidnapping people. They bought people that African elites, kings, chiefs, and merchants supplied. That doesn’t absolve Europe, but it destroys the idea of Africans as passive props in their own history.
You also conveniently skip the Islamic slave trade, which: Predated the Atlantic trade by centuries
Ran for over a thousand years
Took millions across trans-Saharan and Indian Ocean routes Involved mass castration of male slaves, which is why there are fewer visible descendant populations
Yet somehow only one race gets eternal moral focus, while African and Arab participation is quietly sidelined.
That’s not historical honesty. That’s narrative selection.
Yes, colonialism damaged institutions and economies.
No, it does not explain why post independence Nigerian elites looted, entrenched corruption, defended ethnic patronage, and kept extraction models alive decades after Europeans left.
History explains constraints. It does not erase responsibility.
When you emphasise external harm while minimising internal violence, collaboration, and post independence choices, that’s not analysis. That’s outsourcing blame.
If the goal is progress, the conversation has to include: Internal African participation in slavery
The Islamic slave trade
Nigerian on Nigerian exploitation
Post 1960 elite failure
Anything less is not truth seeking. It’s victim branding.

I'm not even sure this deserves a response but here I go—
My post was to give light on some specific events that led to dysfunction before Nigerian independence. It is very obviously not meant to be taken as a complete history of precolonial Nigeria. My post also does not say West Africans were saints who did no wrong all through their history. Also, nowhere does the post say the Nigerian government is not corrupt or do not have blame in the current economic situation— I'm genuinely not sure how you came to this position.

Honestly, your entire post is ridiculous. It's as if the only purpose of your posting is to "remind" people that the white man is "not so bad", and to "defend" him from a perceived attack on his moral reputation. You need to frame the discussion as "victim branding" unless it includes a disclaimer that assures you "no one is blaming white people too much". Just look at how you start your post, "No one is denying slavery or colonial damage. That’s not the argument.". You are saying "that is not the argument" to an original post that does not refer to any prior conversation lol. Only so you can imply some argument against your imagined narrative then proceed to talk your nonsense. In reality, as usual, you have nothing really to say. If you want to add to the conversation then: bring evidence, engage with the actual claims I made, and stop arguing with imaginary versions of my position. Personally, I advise you to get off Nairaland and seek professional help, your obsession with Nigerians and with derailing our spaces needs serious help.

MarketDispatch:
What really can you show to a 21 year old American visiting Nigeria, precisely Lagos for the first time if you don't want the person to be bored?

We are not a tourist country. We should focus on the development of our country for our people not tourism.

Fenrir:
And there it is proof of Ai use to build an argument

Should I point it out and embarrass you? Once I say it everyone can just Google it and see you just lied

So I give you the chance to admit it before I broadcast it and challenge everyone to Google it

It is 1 universally guaranteed way see AI use

Please post whatever and stop harassing me. You don't need to ask me for permission to post anything. I have already given my response that I did not use AI for my post.

Fenrir:
Then why ask me what I used when you had no intention and you obviously dont understand how AI detectors work if you spout this nonsense.

The truth? NO AI detector paid or free can tell if its human or machine is writing something

Its just structure and pattern recognition and nothing else. There are specific words that AI use regularly because they cannot commit to words humans use and humans rarely use those words

And 1 example is AI cannot say "blackmail or extortion" so uses the umbrella word "extraction"

Are you starting to understand? I just bought a paid one because I can and because you cant. And paid is more accurate free not accurate at all.

I don't have the desire to go back and forth with you. You've listed your AI detector so if anyone for whatever reason is interested in finding out if AI wrote my post, they can look into it— I am not interested. Being the writer I already know AI did not write it so I have no reason to spend money for an AI detector. And again, traditional attire is common usage in Nigeria.

Fenrir:
I got banned, right like I told that Tello619 or Tello916

Step 1, I use a uk number in Nigeria because its unlimited everything with EE

download a paid vpn and proton is the best option £8.09 per month and set it to any European country that will unlock the European play store

Step 2, download gptzero the paid version and we will know if you lie or not because it will look exactly like mine

So in summary £8.09 for the vpn and £16 for the AI detector

I'm not paying for it, anyone who is interested can do that. Obviously, I know I did not use AI. It is also telling that your AI detector would flag a common word used in Nigeria like "traditional attire", as a sign of AI generation lol.

Well, my post is public at the end of the day, so anyone is is free to check it themselves and see if it was written by AI. If not, then you would only show your own hand.

Fenrir:
YES A FREE ONE and i specifically used a paid one that cross checks all PAID AI detectors

You picked 1 free ai detectors the most unreliable free version that cross checks nothing

You still have not listed the name of your paid AI detector.

Fenrir:
You used AI steadygo a PAID AI detector proves it

I find this strange. Why follow me then all of a sudden reply to a random post to claim I used AI... without even giving the website of your AI detector? Anyways, your AI detector is either wrong or are you're doing something shady. I have attached a screenshot of my same post checked with Grammarly AI Detector and it gives a score of 0.

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Kemetian:
Americans are up in arms over a new trend in which their university students are now ordering NIGERIAN WEDDING ATTIRE for their 'Prom Nights' - ie their uni's annual graduation party - which is historically a really big night for American graduates.

Normally they would dress in tuxedos and silk gowns etc, but OF LATE, the story has changed.

The new trend is to dress in full Nigerian Wedding Attire.

Sometimes, the girls order ASO EBI for their friends, to spread the love on their great day.

Now Americans, already addicted to AFROBEATS, pioneered by the likes of Davido, Burna Boy, Asake, and Tems, among others, are now witnessing a new Nigerian trend taking over their society, and are yelling, ''Nigeria is colonising us! What do we do to arrest this situation before it gets out of hand?''


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5QQGGZlsB3s

It is actually very sad as in Nigeria we wear our traditional attire about as rarely as non-ethnics abroad are wearing it— for special events. We need to put a serious de-colonial initiative in Nigeria before we can even consider things like this as an achievement because right now it is effectively more of a mockery.

Marvieduke:
Wike's Son, Joaquin wore a shoe that cost ($2,470) three million seven hundred and five thousand naira for his graduation ceremony

The price tag on the shoes of Wike’s son, Joaquin was displayed by an online vendor making people to wonder that a boy of 25, who has just graduated, with no known job or source of income casually wears a shoe that costs as much as $2,470 (N3,705, 000).

For context, very few Nigerian graduates earn a N3 million annual salary.

It is our wealth they are stealing. All our oil will be sold into foreign hands in 40 - 65 years time. Probably before even 40 year it will be worth significantly less, as other energy alternatives would have become available. The vast majority of all our profits will be pocketed by these politicians and we will continue hustling for the crumbs with a larger and larger population. It is becoming clear to me that every one of our peoples and cultures is heading towards extinction. Our government has led us to extinction.

We are well past the time of finding amusement in the brazenness of how these politicians rob us. It is time for us to fight, take back our land, and settle down to find a system that really works for us. Otherwise we would come to an end. We are approaching catastrophe upon catastrophe if we do not reverse this disease that is our government.

LibertyRep:
If na like a century before, war for don start between the Oyo and Ibadan soldiers on one hand and Oyo and Ife on the other hand.
Then the allies will join and the entire place will be boom! boom!

But now, these kings, however mighty the throne was before, have now been caged by the government. This is a valid reason for them to "waka jeje" as time has changed. They are not more than a government official that could be hired and fired at will by the governor. See wetin dey happen at Kano.

They had better respect themselves before the governor changed it for them.

Even the government no dey work for us so wetin be the path forward?

tctrills:
I clearly understand that none of the articles you posted showed any evidence of theft.
So instead of claiming that you cant explain further, why dont you copy and paste from any of the articles showing any of the following

1. What the US has stolen so far
2. A specific resource the US is about stealing and how they are going about it. So you dont just say they are about stealing oil, you have to show how and who is involved.
3. Evidence that the Venezuelan people and government are against US investments.

Go ahead, quote from your articles i am waiting

I've explained what theft and threat of physical/military coercion is to you and pointed out how those articles evidence that. You are the one who does not want to accept my definition of theft and physical coercion, which is essentially the same definition most of the world and even the US you want to defend uses in their own society. You want to use your own definition instead, which makes the US and Donald Trump innocent in your eyes. Therefore, I really cannot explain further because there is nothing further you want to see outside your own narrative.

When does our President plan to comment on the U.S kidnapping of Maduro?