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My people, when do we take back our country and build a Nigeria where we can live with dignity? It seems we do not even have the goal to make a great nation for ourselves. Are we of the mindset that the government who has already stolen billions from us and driven us into a kind of poverty many people around the world cannot even comprehend, that this government will now suddenly change? Or are we to wait until our government has stolen everything there is to steal from us, before we then can reclaim the country? It is sad because a man must present this terrible country as his fathers land. Whatever tribe someone is from, I do not think there is any figure in all our histories that has done to our land what these people in charge have done today. All over the world we looked at as mentally colonized victims unable to liberate ourselves. When do we make a great nation for ourselves?

tctrills:
I don't fully agree with this guy but at least he is fair and he does his research. Please share this video with Deepsight. He has blocked me for fear of hearing the truth. Let's hope he will listen to some other person.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1o160KLC1uY?si=LjTw5_YziEKBliWN

Alright. @Deepsight

tctrills:
Oga, you are talking to me not some others. Are you saying that because others do foolishness, you too must do the same?
Let's get serious and answer the main question. Why is it a great thing that Palestinian women and children are not allowed refugee status in Egypt? Why are Syrian refugees accepted all over Europe, but we hail Egypt for closing it's borders to women and children?
And yet we blame Israel for the high death toll as if it is not what we wanted and expected.

You make a very good point. In trying to familiarize myself with the topic, I watched this video. You and Deepsight may find it interesting.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xhDGfctSTfI&t=5s

lawani:
The Benin empire was a Yoruba empire thorough and thorough. The Yoruba language was used as lingua franca during the days of the empire before it declined in the 18th century. The people of ugbodu in delta state migrated from the Benin empire according to their history and they still speak a Yoruba dialect today. Benin empire was a sister state to Ijesa, Ijebu and etc, they spoke the same language. The Benin palace was a sprawling complex home to over 50 thousand people and all those people spoke Yoruba as mother tongue. It was in the 19th century that edo people from the suburbs overwhelmed the palace. Nowadays some edo revisionist try so hard to rewrite the history as an edo empire but this is far from the truth.

I've been reading this thread. It's very clear from all the European writings you provided that Yoruba was not the spoken language in precolonial Benin palace. As that "Lucumies" worked in palace administration does not translate to the Benin royals were Lucumi or Yoruba. Employed in the palace administration does not mean they ran the palace. To jump from "Lucumies" having administrative roles to that "Lucumies" ran the palace is an impressive jump. Lucumi might have been a lingua franca of that region i.e a widely spoken language due to the large number of speakers making it useful for the Benin court to have Lucumi speakers employed. That does not mean Lucumi was the language of the Benin palace. Benin titled hierarchy and palace guilds are well documented, if Yoruba held such positions we would know.

Another thing to note is that in early West African courts, it was normal and advantageous to use strangers. Traders, captives or residents from neighboring polities were used inside palace administration as scribes, interpreters, clerks, port captains, or specialist officials. Outsiders were often preferred because they did not have deep ties to local noble factions. That practice didn’t make the host kingdom now a vassal.

SmartPolician:
Honestly, I must give some credit to the west (white people) for making blacks their citizens and allowing them hold key government positions.

This is something we don't even allow among ourselves here in Nigeria and I know for certain that Asians will never allow. Asians are as wicked as blacks.

Why do we really need to allow those who are not native to our land to rule it. It is not a good principle. I only see something like that being really beneficial in rare exceptional cases. Westerners allow black people and those of foreign origin to rule in their land but is it really helping us? Do you really think that, in general, any race of people would be allowed to reach the same level of affluence in the West that the white man has attained? Why then the facade of equality? It may actually be much better in the long term, if they did not allow black people to rule in their land and treated us more directly like the second-class citizens we really are. Then all men of African descent might realize that there is nowhere they can run to, and begin to put all their efforts into Africa as they would see Africa as their only hope to live a dignified life.

absalut:
Hi Racoon,

I've been reading your posts on the ECOWAS and ISWAP situation. Your analysis of the GIABA report was spot on - the kind of evidence-based discussion that's rare these days.

That PLO Lumumba quote you shared really hit home: "In Japan a corrupt person kills himself. In China, they will kill him. In Europe, they join him. In Africa, he will present himself for election." So true about how we keep rewarding dysfunction here.

A few of us are starting something different - a space for serious Nigerian political discussion without the usual noise. We're looking for people who actually think before they post, like yourself.

From Zik to Nzeogwu to the Biafran scientists, some of us have always pushed this society to aim higher. Your posts continue that tradition of calling out mediocrity.

Interested in being part of something that values quality over quantity? We could use voices like yours.

Let me know if you want to hear more.

Hello,

Please invite me to this discussion.

I have never quite been able to understand communism or... what people see that makes them think it can work. My brain cracks when I try to really reason it and foresee a future in it. I don't see how for instance everyone will just work for the sake of themselves and others (the society) and irregardless of the level or extent of work they do, they will be receive the same economic benefits as someone doing more or less work... with no complaints. What are your thoughts, can someone explain the vision to me simply and thoroughly?

We must take back our country or these people will take it towards hell. We can not say this politician, and that politician will do right by us. They have all proven to be too self-interested to do right for anyone but themselves. Only we the people, that are still of some level of character can reclaim this country.

Day169:
Monarchs in Nigeria have been totally demystified by first past military governments and now the political class. They have since lost the prestige they once had.
People of questionable character now jostle for recognition as high chiefs as traditional rulers, so where do we begin?

Hi. You make a very good point. I do not think we can start with the monarchs as they are. That does not necessarily mean we have to throw all the current monarchs out from the get go. We would however need to set and enforce clear standards of what it means to be a monarch in a new and reformed system. If the monarchs refuse to live up to these rules that serve their people, then they have no use to be in power and should be made to step down.

MEEVEET:
You want monarchy in a country that's not a nation? ... Lmaooo where have you seen that happen before?

Solution to Nigeria is simply what the British advice us to do in 1956 ... Divide Nigeria into 10 regions of semi independent regions let everyone grow at their own pace ...

But nah we don't want the obvious solution we are looking for imaginary solutions

And when Nigeria is divided into different regions what system of leadership would we use in those regions? I am referring to reviving the current system of monarchy we practice in the different regions of Nigeria and updating it to improve effectiveness and reduce corruption. Furthermore, if Nigeria is divided into smaller regions, independent yet working together as one country for their benefit — it would still need some kind of "overseeing house" that will be able to supersede the authority of the various monarchs on matters of economic benefit to the whole nation. I believe an updated monarchy system similar to what I have described in my original poster would be the best system for this "overseeing house" as well as for the various regions or tribes.

olowofariwo:
I think monarchy in Christian/secular countries is ceremonial unlike Muslim monarchy in which they use Quran and Sharia.
Does UK king have eny big say in government runnings?

Hi, you are correct. The UK monarchy is mainly ceremonial, Parliament and the Prime Minister run the. country. What I am suggesting is different from that or the monarchy in Muslim countries. The monarchy I am suggesting is quite different — not a powerless figurehead like in the UK, nor a religious monarchy like in Saudi Arabia. The monarchy I envision would involve real preparation from birth — in statecraft, diplomacy, economics, governance and everything needed to rule the nation.

lawani:
So far there is a committee above the King that can overrule him or her on anything and also be able to sack him or her without notice or ceremony it can work

Indeed there will definitely need to be very rigorous protocols in place to prevent corruption!

I think monarchy is may be the best system of government. It allows for a leader to dedicate their entire life to serve you whereas in a presidential system, leaders only have a few years in office and can be easily influenced or even installed by the corrupt wealthy individuals. Going deeper, in a monarchy, the current monarch can pick an heir from birth and prepare them from the earliest stage of life to become a capable ruler. The heir also has a first-person view to the reigning monarch's rule; they are able to learn directly, every day, by watching them lead. Monarchy gives us the best prospects for a great leader. What do you think?

Cromagnon:

Yes

And is that to you what the attitude of a senator should be? A senator who had the job to help his people, is flaunting his stolen wealth as his people suffer because he feels them to be cowards who can't do anything? Are you proud of this?

Cromagnon:

Who shame epp

If he had shame he would have been more focused on helping his people in Kogi who are in dire need, than flaunting undeserved wealth. So those are who shame would help for one.

Cromagnon:

No
They didn't vote for him

He is a Nigerian politician not an isolated local chief or king, how he carries himself reflects on all Nigeria. Even in Kogi and Kogi West specifically, there is still much poverty so I don't really see your point.

Cromagnon:
yes, so what?
Did he tell them not to do senator?

LOL. Unworthy of a proper response.

He is not even afraid, we really tolerate these politicians too much. When over a 100 million of his people are in poverty, he as a senator still has the audacity to flex?

TimeManager:
From Lord of Warri..

Anåmbra1stson dey collect.



-Kiss the truth!

You are aware this is not the actual Olu of Warri?
Read the attached.

Northernblood8:
They will keep on being Yoruba until time for brother to stand up for brother comes up .

Edo kept on being Yoruba until Fulani people put Asonder

So tell me what is it about some Yorubas that makes them have this seeming need to claim other tribes as their own? Will you lose something if Itsekiri are a different tribe from you as they are? Saying Itsekiri "originated" from the same group as present day Yorubas and therefore that makes them the "same" ethnicity or that because they have similar language they are then one ethnicity is incorrect. Itsekiris have a different culture than the general Yoruba ethnicity.

How does this have anything to do with Itsekiris being proud to be Yoruba. You can clearly see the post is talking about a shared history, is that Yoruba to you? And do you often see Itsekiris identifying themselves as Yoruba?

Ilaje1:
You don't like to be called Yoruba because of your hatred for the Yorubas. However, you lang is a Yoruba dialect, very very similar to the Ilaje. Both Ilaje and Itsekiri will great ero wuro, ero oghan etc for good morning, after noon etc. Although, we the younger generation (50 downward) has been influenced by main Yoruba language like sayina An kaaro for good morning.

Omawunmi cld be either Ilaje or itsekiri; Jose pronounced "jor-se" with e as in eja can be either Itsekiri or Ilaje; orisabinone while itsekiri will use oritse. In fact I met an Itsekiri man before, he was speaking itsekiri and I replied in Ilaje. We both understood each other because the languages are more of the same with litte or minimal difference. Omasola and omatsola. Enough of my preamble.

Been born in Delta state has no meaning because delta is not an ethnic group. It's just a name given to a state after combining the people from different ethnic group. While Urogbo and Ijaws are distinct, Itsekiri is not. Was ur state not under Bendel before? Does that make you a benin man? Some part of ilaje is in Ogun state, which pple some refers to as Ijebu water side (not like there are no Ijebu in that area); does that make the Ilajes Ijebu?

While Ilaje and Itsekiri are very similar, Owo and Ijebu(apart from their singing intonation) are similar to Ilaje and Itsekiri.

An itsekiri man that understand Itsekiri will understand Ilaje and Yoruba. All these Itsekiri language is not related to anything is politically motivated. The earlier u stopped deceiving yourself the better for you.

Itsekiri would have originated from Yorubas who migrated to Warri, hence the similarities in language but that does not make them Yoruba. It has nothing to do with hatred or maybe you should be asked what is your hatred for Itsekiri that you want them to lose their identity and be Yoruba? Itsekiris have lived in the Warri coastal region of Nigeria for hundreds of years and have formed a different culture from the Yorubas, different native attires and different systems than is found in Yoruba regions in general. Even the food is distinctly different. To call them Yoruba at this point merely because the languages are similar is an insult to all this.

Itsekiri would have originated from Yorubas who migrated to Warri, hence the similarities in language but that does not make them Yoruba. It has nothing to do with hatred or maybe you should be asked what is your hatred for Itsekiri that you want them to lose their identity and be Yoruba? Itsekiris have lived in the Warri coastal region of Nigeria for hundreds of years and have formed a different culture from the Yorubas, different native attires and different systems than is found in Yoruba regions in general. Even the food is distinctly different. To call them Yoruba at this point merely because the languages are similar is an insult to all this.

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orisa37:
DEMOCRACY IS "LOVE ALL"..
DEMOCRACY IS CHECKS AND BALANCES TO AVOID LAWLESSNESS

Thanks... but where is the law, where is the democracy, where is the checks and balances? Did you vote for corruption, do you see the politicians arrested on the regular after how much they steal?

With the level of corruption in this nation, the level of poverty, and the fact that things do not seem to be heading towards the right course on their own- This government has shown since the foundation of the country that they can never have the best interest of Nigerians in heart, and while a protest may alleviate symptoms of this every now and then, it has never changed the fact. When is enough enough, how much must we be defiled by our own leaders before we as a people decide it is time to cut them down? Why should many a corrupt Nigerian politician go to a public place, full of their victims, and not fear to be stoned to death?

Hello all,

What kind of economic system do you envision for the future Nigerian economy? Why do you think it would work better when compared to other systems? Also, what are your thoughts on Kwame Nkrumah's vision for a unified socialistic Africa? Do you think it is a bad idea or a good idea, why?