Spylord48: Ogun state again? At least he was caught stealing something tangible. It would have been worst if he was caught mining and hunting for Gold "HEAD"
Ecclesiasticus (Sirach) 1 1. All wisdom cometh from the Lord, and is with him for ever. 2. Who can number the sand of the sea, and the drops of rain, and the days of eternity? 3. Who can find out the height of heaven, and the breadth of the earth, and the deep, and wisdom? 4. Wisdom hath been created before all things, and the understanding of prudence from everlasting. 5. The word of God most high is the fountain of wisdom; and her ways are everlasting commandments. 6. To whom hath the root of wisdom been revealed? or who hath known her wise counsels? 7. [Unto whom hath the knowledge of wisdom been made manifest? and who hath understood her great experience?] 8. There is one wise and greatly to be feared, the Lord sitting upon his throne. 9. He created her, and saw her, and numbered her, and poured her out upon all his works. 10. She is with all flesh according to his gift, and he hath given her to them that love him. 11. The fear of the Lord is honour, and glory, and gladness, and a crown of rejoicing. 12. The fear of the Lord maketh a merry heart, and giveth joy, and gladness, and a long life. 13. Whoso feareth the Lord, it shall go well with him at the last, and he shall find favour in the day of his death. 14. To fear the Lord is the beginning of wisdom: and it was created with the faithful in the womb. 15. She hath built an everlasting foundation with men, and she shall continue with their seed. 16. To fear the Lord is fulness of wisdom, and filleth men with her fruits. 17. She filleth all their house with things desirable, and the garners with her increase. 18. The fear of the Lord is a crown of wisdom, making peace and perfect health to flourish; both which are the gifts of God: and it enlargeth their rejoicing that love him. 19. Wisdom raineth down skill and knowledge of understanding standing, and exalteth them to honour that hold her fast. 20. The root of wisdom is to fear the Lord, and the branches thereof are long life. 21. The fear of the Lord driveth away sins: and where it is present, it turneth away wrath. 22. A furious man cannot be justified; for the sway of his fury shall be his destruction. 23. A patient man will tear for a time, and afterward joy shall spring up unto him. 24. He will hide his words for a time, and the lips of many shall declare his wisdom. 25. The parables of knowledge are in the treasures of wisdom: but godliness is an abomination to a sinner. 26. If thou desire wisdom, keep the commandments, and the Lord shall give her unto thee. 27. For the fear of the Lord is wisdom and instruction: and faith and meekness are his delight. 28. Distrust not the fear of the Lord when thou art poor: and come not unto him with a double heart. 29. Be not an hypocrite in the sight of men, and take good heed what thou speakest. 30. Exalt not thyself, lest thou fall, and bring dishonour upon thy soul, and so God discover thy secrets, and cast thee down in the midst of the congregation, because thou camest not in truth to the fear of the Lord, but thy heart is full of deceit. Ecclesiasticus (Sirach) 2 [Commentary] 1. My son, if thou come to serve the Lord, prepare thy soul for temptation. 2. Set thy heart aright, and constantly endure, and make not haste in time of trouble. 3. Cleave unto him, and depart not away, that thou mayest be increased at thy last end. 4. Whatsoever is brought upon thee take cheerfully, and be patient when thou art changed to a low estate. 5. For gold is tried in the fire, and acceptable men in the furnace of adversity. 6. Believe in him, and he will help thee; order thy way aright, and trust in him. 7. Ye that fear the Lord, wait for his mercy; and go not aside, lest ye fall. 8. Ye that fear the Lord, believe him; and your reward shall not fail. 9. Ye that fear the Lord, hope for good, and for everlasting joy and mercy. 10. Look at the generations of old, and see; did ever any trust in the Lord, and was confounded? or did any abide in his fear, and was forsaken? or whom did he ever despise, that called upon him? 11. For the Lord is full of compassion and mercy, longsuffering, and very pitiful, and forgiveth sins, and saveth in time of affliction. 12. Woe be to fearful hearts, and faint hands, and the sinner that goeth two ways! 13. Woe unto him that is fainthearted! for he believeth not; therefore shall he not be defended. 14. Woe unto you that have lost patience! and what will ye do when the Lord shall visit you? 15. They that fear the Lord will not disobey his Word; and they that love him will keep his ways. 16. They that fear the Lord will seek that which is well, pleasing unto him; and they that love him shall be filled with the law. 17. They that fear the Lord will prepare their hearts, and humble their souls in his sight, 18. Saying, We will fall into the hands of the Lord, and not into the hands of men: for as his majesty is, so is his mercy. Ecclesiasticus (Sirach) 3 [Commentary] 1. Hear me your father, O children, and do thereafter, that ye may be safe. 2. For the Lord hath given the father honour over the children, and hath confirmed the authority of the mother over the sons. 3. Whoso honoureth his father maketh an atonement for his sins: 4. And he that honoureth his mother is as one that layeth up treasure. 5. Whoso honoureth his father shall have joy of his own children; and when he maketh his prayer, he shall be heard. 6. He that honoureth his father shall have a long life; and he that is obedient unto the Lord shall be a comfort to his mother. 7. He that feareth the Lord will honour his father, and will do service unto his parents, as to his masters. 8. Honour thy father and mother both in word and deed, that a blessing may come upon thee from them. 9. For the blessing of the father establisheth the houses of children; but the curse of the mother rooteth out foundations. 10. Glory not in the dishonour of thy father; for thy father's dishonour is no glory unto thee. 11. For the glory of a man is from the honour of his father; and a mother in dishonour is a reproach to the children. 12. My son, help thy father in his age, and grieve him not as long as he liveth. 13. And if his understanding fail, have patience with him; and despise him not when thou art in thy full strength. 14. For the relieving of thy father shall not be forgotten: and instead of sins it shall be added to build thee up. 15. In the day of thine affliction it shall be remembered; thy sins also shall melt away, as the ice in the fair warm weather. 16. He that forsaketh his father is as a blasphemer; and he that angereth his mother is cursed: of God. 17. My son, go on with thy business in meekness; so shalt thou be beloved of him that is approved. 18. The greater thou art, the more humble thyself, and thou shalt find favour before the Lord. 19. Many are in high place, and of renown: but mysteries are revealed unto the meek. 20. For the power of the Lord is great, and he is honoured of the lowly. 21. Seek not out things that are too hard for thee, neither search the things that are above thy strength. 22. But what is commanded thee, think thereupon with reverence, for it is not needful for thee to see with thine eyes the things that are in secret. 23. Be not curious in unnecessary matters: for more things are shewed unto thee than men understand. 24. For many are deceived by their own vain opinion; and an evil suspicion hath overthrown their judgment. 25. Without eyes thou shalt want light: profess not the knowledge therefore that thou hast not. 26. A stubborn heart shall fare evil at the last; and he that loveth danger shall perish therein. 27. An obstinate heart shall be laden with sorrows; and the wicked man shall heap sin upon sin. 28. In the punishment of the proud there is no remedy; for the plant of wickedness hath taken root in him. 29. The heart of the prudent will understand a parable; and an attentive ear is the desire of a wise man. 30. Water will quench a flaming fire; and alms maketh an atonement for sins. 31. And he that requiteth good turns is mindful of that which may come hereafter; and when he falleth, he shall find a stay. nourable in riches, how much more in poverty?
Adama, also known as Nazret or Nazreth, is a city in central Ethiopia and the previous capital of the Oromia Region. Adama forms a Special Zone of Oromia and is surrounded by Misraq Shewa Zone. Wikipedia Elevation: 1,712 m Weather: 18°C, Wind W at 5 mph (8 km/h), 82% Humidity Population: 324,000 (2015) Local time: Tuesday 23:02 Colleges and Universities: Adama Science and Technology University, Rift Valley University College
Hide my face in shame.. LOL..You're a funny person.. You are just hanging on to straws after your argument fails.. Whether or not Jesus or the apostles quoted from the deuterocanon will only be important if it is a reason for Belonging to the the O.T canon.. Which it is not... NO WERE DOES IT STATE, IN THE BIBLE OR OTHERWISE THAT JESUS OR HIS APOSTLES MUST QUOTE A BOOK FOR IT TO BE SCRIPTURE... that is a presumption you hold that is wrong.. Because.. 1. I have shown you books that were quoted by Jude (1:9) as in the case of the Assumption of Moses and Hebrews (11:37) was taken directly from the Ascension of Isaiah.. If according to you.. QUOTATION EQUALS CANONICITY then these two books should be part of your old testament... 2. I have also showed you that many other old testament books are not quoted or even alluded to by Jesus or the apostles....If according to you.. QUOTATION EQUALS CANONICITY then these books should not be part of your old testament... Song of Songs, Ecclesiastes, Esther, Obadiah, Zephaniah, Judges, 1 Chronicles, Ezra, Nehemiah, Lamentations and Nahum. Not one of these Old Testament books is ever quoted or alluded to by Christ or the Apostles in the New Testament.
so I am not accusing you of anything I am only pointing out the inconsistencies in your argument.. If you think that means you're lying then that's your problem
Not many know what Jesus looks like...See 1 Maccabees 3:48 and ask yourself if that is the type of information that they would like to openly display in the normal Bible Canon...
16 When the Lord shall build up Zion, he shall appear in his glory.
(If Zion is Africa, then there's no doubt whatsoever that the "man" that set up Organisation of African Unity (OAU) to "build Zion/Africa" is the same person that was mentioned in Psalm 102:16)
Though I guess that is open to discussion and debate...
No disrespect to you and your nine year old niece... but that is fallacy of Generalization...
not only Ethiopians are blacks.. there are black Nigerians, Zimbabweans Malians, Ghanaians I can go on and on...
Secondly your niece is not aware of simple genetics...
There are mixed races... if you watch Nigerian football you probably know the half cast..
Leon. Balogun... Ekong and Osazee odemwingie.. I will not call them blacks but they are Nigerian.... because their fathers were Nigerians...
you probably know david alaba of Bayern Munich.. still of mixed parents but he is an Austrian citizen...
Am sure that there are Ethiopian half breed who are NOT BLACK...
So if David or Solomon had a black mother.. it will affect his skin colour because of his parentage.. it doesn't change the fact that he is an Israelite...
So not all Black's are Ethiopians and not all Ethiopians are black..
According revelation 21:3 that will happen after the final judgement.. In these days God is with is in other ways, his word, the holy spirit, the real presence etc...that "literal presence" will happen after the final judgement..
Haile Selassie has been dead for a while so I can't see him when I look around me...
No king... Definitely not Selassie because he is dead... And tell me?? Which part of revelation...
Most Bible scholars will say king Cyrus..
Jesus Christ Rev 5:5And one of the elders saith unto me, Weep not: behold, the Lion of the tribe of Juda, the Root of David, hath prevailed to open the book, and to loose the seven seals thereof. Rev 22:16I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.
Jesus using anyone he wants..
All these don't prove anything...
I understand that you are trying to make Hails Selassie what he is not.
3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Revelation 22:4 King James Version (KJV)
4 And they shall see his face; and his name shall be in their foreheads. (RastafarI) ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Psalm 87 King James Version (KJV)
87 His foundation is in the holy mountains.
2 The Lord loveth the gates of Zion more than all the dwellings of Jacob.
3 Glorious things are spoken of thee, O city of God. Selah.
4 I will make mention of Rahab and Babylon to them that know me: behold Philistia, and Tyre, with Ethiopia; this man was born there.
5 And of Zion it shall be said, This and that man was born in her: and the highest himself shall establish her.
6 The Lord shall count, when he writeth up the people, that this man was born there. Selah.
7 As well the singers as the players on instruments shall be there: all my springs are in thee. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Isaiah 41 King James Version (KJV)
41 Keep silence before me, O islands; and let the people renew their strength: let them come near; then let them speak: let us come near together to judgment.
2 Who raised up the righteous man from the east, called him to his foot, gave the nations before him, and made him rule over kings? he gave them as the dust to his sword, and as driven stubble to his bow.
3 He pursued them, and passed safely; even by the way that he had not gone with his feet.
4 Who hath wrought and done it, calling the generations from the beginning? I the Lord, the first, and with the last; I am he.
5 The isles saw it, and feared; the ends of the earth were afraid, drew near, and came.
6 They helped every one his neighbour; and every one said to his brother, Be of good courage.
Thanks for the info, most Nigerians don't know about Ethiopian Christianity, they think Christianity was brought to the whole of Africa by the Europeans.
It's good that we are waking up to our true heritage and destiny!
The religion of Prophets Adam, Enoch, Noah,........ Abraham, Isaac, Ishmael, Jacob, Joseph, .....Moses, ...David,.... Jesus, and Muhammad - peace be upon them.
You mean the Enoch from Ethiopia and the Jesus of Nazareth root of David the father of King Solomon who stated in the Bible that he is Black?
bahaushe1: Praying to dead saints and Jesus (pbuh) are one and the same thing - associating partners to God. God is one and to Him only we should direct our acts of worship. No intermediary in whatever form.
Which Faith, religion, denomination do you profess?
Am not a genius.. just wanted you to see the older, proper usage..
The older means as it was in the begining so shall it be in the end, so don't you think if I show you meaning of IHS in these last day (((((I already know what it means in the olden days)))))
Again.. I say.. whether Jesus, David or Solomon was black is not the issue here.. what I am saying is that they were Israeli and not Ethiopians and that Jesus and Christianity came from Israel..
My 9 years old neice with a missing tooth just said "Ethiopians are blacks & Blacks are Ethiopians!"
Yes I know who Jesus is.. The Son of God made Man (John 3:16), The Second Person of the Trinity, The WORD made Flesh (john 1:14), Son of Mary and Joseph (matt 13:55), Immanuel ( God with us) (Isaiah 7:14)..
My Saviour, My Redeemer, My Lord, My God..
Very Good!
Well then, if you have admitted Immanuel and the meaning of the holy name "Immanuel", you are only half way through as you have to look around you in this day and age, this dispensation of time and see and KNOW that the name is being rightly fulfilled! God is really and truly with us as stated in Revelation 21:3. The fact that majority do not know does not mean that it is not happening!
Look carefully around you, which King are all other Kings and Queens bowing to according to Revelation? Who is the righteous man from the East, according to Isaiah 41? Who sits on throne of David and Solomon? Who is called King of Kings? Who is Lion of Judah? Who is prince of Peace? Who is Defender of the Faith? Who has most awards and decorations from all churches, Mosques, Temples, Pagodas etc Who is FIELD MARSHALL GENERAL of British Army (Highest Military rank) in 1956...Who was man of the year TIME Magazine 1935 and 1936...
blueAgent: Catholics to praying to dead saints is it biblical. One of the customs of Catholics is to pray to dead Saints to intercede on their behalf in Heaven.This doctrine is based on the belief that dead Saints are alive and already in Heaven this erroneous belief is one of the biggest decits of Satan.We will take a look at this issue with the Bible as our guide. First what is the State of the dead? are they living or do they ascend into Heaven immediately after death. Psalms 146:3 Put not your trust in princes, nor in the son of man, in whom there is no help. 146:4 His breath goeth forth, he returneth to his earth; in that very day his thoughts perish. Ecclesiastes9:5 For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten. 9:6 Also their love, and their hatred, and their envy, is now perished; neither have they any more a portion for ever in any thing that is done under the sun. This Bible verses clearly show that the dead including the Saints are not in a state of consciousness but rather their thoughts,love,passions are all perished. Death is likened to sleep,a man who is at sleep is not in control of his thoughts,actions or environment, same with death. Job 14:12 So man lieth down, and riseth not: till the heavens be no more, they shall not awake, nor be raised out of their sleep. 14:14 If a man die, shall he live again? all the days of my appointed time will I wait, till my change come. John 11:11 These things said he: and after that he saith unto them, Our friend Lazarus sleepeth; but I go, that I may awake him out of sleep. 11:12 Then said his disciples, Lord, if he sleep, he shall do well. 11:13 Howbeit Jesus spake of his death: but they thought that he had spoken of taking of rest in sleep. So if the Saints are not in Heaven where can they be? The Saints are not in Heaven as we can see from those Bible verses they are all asleep in their graves or earth(dust).we will look at more bible verses to confirm this. 1 Thessalonians 4:14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him. 4:15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. Daniel 12:2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt. This Bible verses confirm that the dead sleep in the dust not in Heaven. John 5:28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, Even David the man after God's heart,a man who Jesus Christ was named after 'Thou son of David' did not ascend into Heaven after his death. I don't think there is anyone more qualified to be called a Saint than David.but still David did not ascend to Heaven at his death he is still lying in his grave waiting for the resurrection. Acts2:29 Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulchre is with us unto this day. Acts 2:34 For David is not ascended into the heavens: but he saith himself, The Lord said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, Even David knew he was not to go to Heaven immedately after his death so he wrote in Psalms 17:15 As for me, I will behold thy face in righteousness: I shall be satisfied, when I AWAKE, with thy likeness.
Considering the State of the dead,saints including Mary,Paul,Joseph,e.t.c while do Catholics still pray to them. It is apparent that they are praying to Idols and Demons in the name of praying to Saints.Mary,Paul,Peter,James,John,Stephen e.t.c are all sleeping in their graves they neither eat,work, Think, or hear nor intercede in prayers on behalf of others. This evil doctrine has been sold to the public especially Catholics who believe that dead people go straight to Hell or Heaven immediately after death. People go to Heaven or Hell on the Judgement day or day of resurrection not before then. Daniel12:2,John5:28-29 & 1cor15:12-14,1cor16-19. John 5:28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, 5:29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation. This bible verses confirm that the dead and Saints are not in Heaven but are waiting for the resurrection for if they were already in Heaven the bible will not be talking about a resurrection of the Saints or the dead.what will they be resurrecting from since they are already in Heaven? To Catholics pls deciet from praying to dead Saints they cannot hear you or intercede on your behalf.Only one name has been given to us by which man can be saved and that is the name of Jesus Acts 4:12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved. Only Jesus not any dead saint or Mary or Paul or Pope. We are expected to pray to God only through the name of Jesus not through any dead Saints John14:13 no other person can.mediate between man and God ,not Mary,Paul or angels but only Jesus Christ is our mediator 1Timothy 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; Christ and the Holy Spirit which is the spirit of Christ can intercede on our behalf Romans 8:34, Romans 8:26 Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered. 8:27 And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God.
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Saints and death are mutually exclusive, saints do not die...
If I see what Is true historically and biblically I say it..
I know you're not going to be happy with this.. but the traditional historical use of IHS is Jesus.. the name of Jesus.. not for haile Selassie.. It is called a CHRISTOGRAM and has been used since medieval time by Christians. (both catholic and Protestants) for The name of Jesus in the Latin speaking medieval Europe the most common Christogram became "IHS" or "IHC", denoting the first three letters of the Greek name of Jesus, ΙΗΣΟΥΣ, iota- eta - sigma , or ΙΗΣ. "IHS" is sometimes interpreted as meaning "Jesus Hominum (or Hierosolymae) Salvator", ("Jesus, Saviour of men [or: of Jerusalem]" in Latin) more about it here.. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christogram Don't want to argue.. just putting it out there...
Thank you for teaching me about IHS, you are such a genius!! (Sigh)
How can you talk about the Divine if you know not God?
How can you speak about Jesus if you are not sure of Immanuel?
How can you mention Enoch if you know not the Holy man?
Rasta is sitting here and watching all your games.....Rasta will watch you all return to the start , where it all began, ((((Ethiopia))))
Peace
Metatron From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Not to be confused with Megatron, Magnetron, or Mettaton. For other uses, see Metatron (disambiguation).
Metatron (Hebrew מטטרון; prob. derived from the Latin mētātor: "one who metes out or marks off a place, a divider and fixer of boundaries", "a measurer",[1] although several other suggestions exist[2]) or Mattatron[3] is an archangel in Judaism and known in Judaism as the Recording Angel or the Chancellor of Heaven (which makes Adramelech his infernal counterpart).[4][5][6] The name Metatron is not mentioned in the Hebrew Bible, nor is it mentioned in the early Enoch literature. How the name originated is a matter of debate. Although Metatron is mentioned in a few brief passages in the Talmud, he appears primarily in mystical Kabbalistic texts within the Rabbinic literature. In that tradition, he is the highest of the angels and serves as the celestial scribe or "recording angel".[7]
According to Jewish apocrypha, Metatron is the name Enoch received, after his transformation into an angel.[8] The book of Genesis (5:24) is often cited as evidence of Enoch's bodily ascension into heaven: "And Enoch walked with God: and he was not; for God took him."[9]
Moses wrote the first 5 books of the Bible. It only makes sense that he preserved those same books called the Penteteuch in the Ark, if not where do you think he will keep them in the wilderness?
Let's leave that for the jury.
"And He said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets and in the psalms concerning Me" (Luke 24:44).
Jesus mention of the threefold division of the Scripture actually compassed the entire OT canon. Another way of expressing this would be the historical, poetical and the prophetic writings, all of which are divinely inspired and inerrant unlike the apocryphal writings.
But you said they quoted from it, didn't you? There is no where in the apocrypha where it says thus says the Lord neither did Jesus acknowledge its existence.
The assumption of Moses in not God breathed. Simples.
The book of Tobith contains heresies and therefore cannot be part of the canon.
How can you talk about the Divine if you know not God?
How can you speak about Jesus if you are not sure of Immanuel?
How can you mention Enoch if you know not the Holy man?
Rasta is sitting here and watching all your games.....Rasta will patiently wait here and watch you all return to the start , where it all began, ((((Ethiopia))))
How is this related to our argument? having faith as explained in Heb11.1 means to believe God for something you asked for even when you have not recieved it. thats faith having faith does not give room for one to change God's law or doctrine.
I don't have any issue with the colour of anyone's skin.. I'm black.. the colour of Jesus's skin doesn't matter to Me.. What I'm saying is that David and solomon were Israelites not Ethiopians, Jesus was an Israelite not an Ethiopian.. Christianity came from Judaism which came from Israel not Ethiopia.. Jesus was born under judaism ehich was a religion of the Old covenant.. he came to established a new covenant hence a new "religion".... Jesus was not a Christian.. the word Christian means follower of Christ or Christ like. Jesus is Jesus.. he is not a Christian because he cannot follow himself of be like himself.. He simply is...
A Jew is an Israelite.. a person from Israel while an Ethiopian is a person from Ethiopia
We are not asking you to have an issue with anyone or their skins, we are asking you to know, acknowledge & overstand that if K-Solo son of K-Dawitt says in the Holy Bible that he is black; then Iesus the roof of Dawitt cannot be white "Israeli" Thanks
If I see what Is true historically and biblically I say it..
I know you're not going to be happy with this.. but the traditional historical use of IHS is Jesus.. the name of Jesus.. not for haile Selassie.. It is called a CHRISTOGRAM and has been used since medieval time by Christians. (both catholic and Protestants) for The name of Jesus in the Latin speaking medieval Europe the most common Christogram became "IHS" or "IHC", denoting the first three letters of the Greek name of Jesus, ΙΗΣΟΥΣ, iota- eta - sigma , or ΙΗΣ. "IHS" is sometimes interpreted as meaning "Jesus Hominum (or Hierosolymae) Salvator", ("Jesus, Saviour of men [or: of Jerusalem]" in Latin) more about it here.. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christogram Don't want to argue.. just putting it out there...
Jesus?
Do you know who is Jesus? You never know Immanuel? You never Humble?
Again I disagree.. That is no criteria.. The root of Christianity is Israel according to God's promise to Abraham ( gen 12), Which comes from Jacob's lineage (12 tribes), Jacob being a son of Isaac who is the Son of Jacob... Jesus wasn't born or died in Ethiopia but in Israel (Bethlehem and Jerusalem).. The bible is about the Israelites not the Ethiopians.. AND THATS THAT ABOUT THAT
The old Jerusalem is in Israel, The new Jerusalem will come down from heaven at the end Rev 3: 12bthe name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: Rev 21:2And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven,
No.. They had the Torah.. The Pentateuch.. And God spoke to them directly in the case of Isaiah and through the prophets and sometimes directly in the case of David... Can you show where God had that same relationship with the Ethiopians
Good for you! My saviour is Jesus Christ the Nazarene, the Son of God made man.. The Messiah.. Luke 2:11For unto you is born this day in the city of David a saviour, which is Christ the Lord. John 4:42and know that this is indeed the Christ, the saviour of the world.
No disrespect to you was meant.. I was only saying instead of using Rastafarian slangs and jargons . present historical and explicit biblical proof or even a biblical principle..
Funny enough for me as well.. You are the first person saying psalm 87 refers to Ethiopia.. You can look at Bible commentaries on that chapter most if not all refer to Jerusalem in that passage.. Take a look at this.. biblehub.com/commentaries/psalms/87-1.htm Psalm 102 is talking about Jerusalem.. What has OAU got to do with Zion ?? and the LORD there been in all capital is referring to God the Father not haile Selassie.. lastly Am not aware of OAU having a religious significance it is a political organization . Rev 2:9 and 3:9 can be understood properly in its historical and allegorical significance as it has to do with the Israelites who persecuted Christians in the 2nd century..
Sorry I fell into the fallacy of generalization.. There were some Ethiopians who partook in the Jewish religion so indeed not all were pagans.. And you're right Moses did mary an Ethiopian woman but that doesn't prove all Ethiopians were believers in the God of Moses.. Or that Ethiopia is the cradle of Christianity... Ahab married a foreigner also in Jezebel.. we all know that Jezebel was a pagan and she brought the worship of Baal to Israel with her..
AS FOR ZADOK HE WAS A JEW IN THE TRIBE OF LEVI AND NOT AN ETHIOPIAN... 1 chron 6:1The sons of Levi; Gershon, Kohath, and Merari. 2And the sons of Kohath; Amram, Izhar, and Hebron, and Uzziel. 3And the children of Amram; Aaron, and Moses, and Miriam. The sons also of Aaron; Nadab, and Abihu, Eleazar, and Ithamar. 4Eleazar begat Phinehas, Phinehas begat Abishua, 5and Abishua begat Bukki, and Bukki begat Uzzi, 6and Uzzi begat Zerahiah, and Zerahiah begat Meraioth, 7Meraioth begat Amariah, and Amariah begat ahitub, 8and ahitub begat Zadok, and Zadok begat Ahimaaz,
The queen of Sheba never became a Jew.. Or practiced Judaism.. She only came to see Solomon's wisdom for herself. Even if she did..it is her encounter with Solomon that made it happen..
as for Menelik.. There's nothing in the Bible about that.. If he indeed took the ark to Ethiopia.. It doesn't disprove the fact that the ark was given by God through Moses to the Israelites and it stayed in the temple in Jerusalem from when Solomon built the temple to when it was destroyed..
LASTLY.. before Jesus.. Every one was not a pagan.. The Jewish religion was the right way to God before Jesus Christ so if there were Ethiopians or indeed any other person who was faithful to the God of Israel.. Then that person was not a pagan.. But the fact remains that he was God of the Jews.. The Israelites..
Atse Haile Selassie also knew it. But we broadly called ourselves "Ethiopians" for the last 1400 years, but most foreigners most didn't.
I know that HS was advised by France and Britain to officially call ourselves as Ethiopians in our 1st modern constitution (we had Medieval religious constitution), before the Sudanese (the true Ethiopians) officially adopted it.
I hear what you are saying, as soon as I read a book where the King stated what you mentioned above, I will start to repeat it.
Until then, I will only repeat what I know the KING has said and done.
huxley: Exodus never happened and the walls of Jericho did not come a-tumbling down. How archaeologists are shaking Israel to its biblical foundations.
Israel Finkelstein, chairman of the Archaeology Department at Tel Aviv University, with archaeology historian Neil Asher Silberman, has just published a book called "The Bible Unearthed: Archaeology's New Vision of Ancient Israel and the Origin of Its Sacred Text."
"The Israelites were never in Egypt, did not wander in the desert, did not conquer the land [of Canaan] in a military campaign and did not pass it on to the twelve tribes of Israel. Perhaps even harder to swallow is the fact that the united kingdom of David and Solomon, described in the Bible as a regional power, was at most a small tribal kingdom."
<< These statements correspond well with what was written by John Rembsburg:
"In the 12th chapter of Joshua is given a list of 31 kingdoms which were conquered by Israel. This was in the fifteenth century B.C. From this time forward they are represented as a mighty nation by Bible historians.
Rameses III overran Canaan and conquered it between 1280 and 1260 B.C. The Egyptian records give a list of all the tribes inhabiting it. The children of Israel-- the Hebrews-- were not there. In the 5th century B.C., when Herodotus, the father of History, was collecting materials for his immortal work, he traversed nearly every portion of Western Asia. He describes all its principal peoples and places; but the Jews and Jerusalem are of too little consequence to merit a line from his pen. Not until 332 B.C. do the Jews appear upon the stage of history, and then only as the submissive vassals of a Grecian king."
John E. Remsburg, The Bible (1901), pg. 263.
Jerusalem was essentially a cow town, not the glorious capital of an empire. These findings have been accepted by the majority of biblical scholars and archaeologists for years and even decades.
The tales of the patriarchs -- Abraham, Isaac and Joseph among others -- were the first to go when biblical scholars found those passages rife with anachronisms and other inconsistencies. The story of Exodus, one of the most powerful epics of enslavement, courage and liberation in human history, also slipped from history to legend when archaeologists could no longer ignore the lack of corroborating contemporary Egyptian accounts and the absence of evidence of large encampments in the Sinai Peninsula ("the wilderness" where Moses brought the Israelites after leading them through the parted Red Sea).
Finkelstein is an iconoclast. He established his reputation in part by developing a theory about the settlement patterns of the nomadic shepherd tribes who would eventually become the Israelites, bolstering the growing consensus that they were originally indistinguishable from the rest of their neighbors, the Canaanites. This overturns a key element in the Bible: The Old Testament depicts the Israelites as superior outsiders -- descended from Abraham, a Mesopotamian immigrant -- entitled by divine order to invade Canaan and exterminate its unworthy, idolatrous inhabitants.
The famous battle of Jericho, with which the Israelites supposedly launched this campaign of conquest after wandering for decades in the desert, has been likewise debunked: The city of Jericho didn't exist at that time and had no walls to come tumbling down. These assertions are all pretty much accepted by mainstream archaeologists.
"Research is research, and strong societies can easily endure discoveries like this." By comparison with today's skeptical turmoil, the early years of the modern Israeli state were a honeymoon period for archaeology and the Bible, in which the science seemed to validate the historical passages of the Old Testament left and right. As Finkelstein and Silberman relate, midcentury archaeologists usually "took the historical narratives of the Bible at face value"; Israel's first archaeologists were often said to approach a dig with a spade in one hand and the Bible in the other. The Old Testament frequently served as the standard against which all other data were measured: If someone found majestic ruins, they dated them to Solomon's time; signs of a battle were quickly attributed to the conquest of Canaan. Eventually, though, as archaeological methods improved and biblical scholars analyzed the text itself for inconsistencies and anachronisms, the amount of the Bible regarded as historically verifiable eroded. The honeymoon was over.
Marcus says that Finkelstein is "difficult to dismiss because he's so much an insider in terms of his credentials and background. He's an archaeologist, not a theologian, and he is an Israeli. It's hard to say that someone who was born in Israel and intends to live the rest of his life there is anti-Israeli."
The biblical account of the capture of the city is the only one we have, and in the opinion of most modern scholars, the Bible is not an entirely reliable historical document.
The Bible is not - and was never intended to be - a historical document. A work of theology, law, ethics and literature, it does contain historical information; but if we want to evaluate this information we should consider when, how and why the Bible was compiled.
Until comparatively recently, the Bible was accepted as the word of God by most Jews and Christians, and therefore scholarly works dealing with it concentrated on its interpretation. In the 19th century CE, the "Age of Reason," scholars began subjecting the biblical texts to linguistic, textual, and literary analysis, noting inconsistencies and interrupted rhythms, comparing styles, and placing the text within the archaeological, historical and geographical background.
There are still many differing opinions regarding the origin of the Bible, when it was written, and under what conditions; but it is fair to say that, outside fundamentalist circles, modern consensus suggests that the assembling and editing of the documents that were to constitute the Bible began in the seventh century BCE, some three centuries after David's time. (The earliest actual material in our possession, part of the Dead Sea Scrolls, dates to the second century BCE at the earliest).
In particular, the account of Joshua's conquest of Canaan is inconsistent with the archaeological evidence. Cities supposedly conquered by Joshua in the 14th century bce were destroyed long before he came on the scene. Some, such as Ai and Arad, had been ruins for a 1000 years.
The Book of Judges, which directly contradicts Joshua, and shows the Israelites settling the land over a prolonged period, is nearer historical reality; but even it cannot be taken at face value. The archaeological surveys conducted over the past two decades indicate that the origin and development of the Israelite entity was somewhat different from either of the rival accounts in the Bible. The survey was conducted by more than a dozen archaeologists, most of them from Tel Aviv University's Institute of Archaeology.
Around 1200 bce, semi-nomads from the desert fringes to the east and the south, possibly including Egypt, began to settle in the hill country of Canaan. A large proportion - probably a majority of this population - were refugees from the Canaanite city states, destroyed by the Egyptians in one of their periodic invasions. The conclusion is somewhat startling to Bible readers who know the Canaanites portrayed in the Bible as immoral idolaters: most of the Israelites were in fact formerly Canaanites. The story of Abraham's journey from Ur of the Chaldees, the Patriarchs, the Exodus, Sinai, and the conquest of Canaan, all these were apparently based on legends that the various elements brought with them from their countries of origin. The consolidation of the Israelites into a nation was not the result of wanderings in the desert and divine revelation, but came from the need to defend themselves against the Philistines, who settled in the Canaanite coastal plain more or less at the same time the Israelites were establishing themselves in the hills.
Thus the founders of Israel were not Abraham and Moses; but Saul and David. It was apparently Saul who consolidated the hill farmers under his rule and created fighting units capable of confronting the Philistines. It was David who defeated the Philistines and united the hill farmers with the people of the Canaanite plains, thus establishing the Kingdom of Israel and its capital city.
How is this related to our argument? having faith as explained in Heb11.1 means to believe God for something you asked for even when you have not recieved it. thats faith having faith does not give room for one to change God's law or doctrine.
So basically, until Jesus Christ came, everyone was pagan, innit? Jesus Christ! [/i]
It was nice reasoning with you. Pardon me once again for my lies, deceit and waste of your time. Try reading about Zadok the priest, King Solomon, Queen of Sheba and how their son Menelik I brought the Ark of the covenant from Israel to Ethiopia...( It's in the Book of Kings and Chronicles in the HOLY Bible ) then, maybe, just maybe we may be able to resume a discussion on spirituality as I do not do religion, if u wish. Until then, this represents my final correspondence to you on these matters. Look after yourself, mate
Peace
It's called book of KINGS because it discusses the conducts of the[b][/b] Kings of the Earth and can be understood better with reference to Psalm 2 .
It's called book of CHRONICLES because it is a chronicle of the conducts of the Kings of the earth...
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