christistruth01:
Ok

Those Baba's placed him under the Oba of Isheri that was why they saw it that way

It’s nothing new that one Yorùbá ọba has precedence and rank higher than another.

It doesn’t make the other Ọba not an Ọba.

X

christistruth01:
I remember that some elderly Yorubas always insisted that up to the 1980s the Oba of Lagos was a Baale. all this History is now making everything Clearer it was because in real Historical terms he was an offshoot of the Olofin of Isheri

No, he is not a Baale. He has never being.

christistruth01:
Yet these very same People will tell you that Ile Ife are not the owners of Benin

But when it comes to applying the same principle to Eko they prefer to be hypocrites and stand reason on it's head

I get what you tried to say, but the analogies are quite different.

Ife & Benin:
The 1st crowned Benin ọba is paternally descended from Ife, and maternally from Benin.

Benin & Lagos:
The 1st crowned Eko ọba is paternally descended from Lagos (Isheri-Olofin), and maternally from Benin.

Cheers.

SirNewtonNG:
You are the greatest Dullard of all time, you have shown yourself to be nothing but a troll gregyboy. I was never talking or refereeing to TAO11 and reasonable viewers will know this. You have shown yourself by this act to be a loser, a born one at that.

What you quoted as supporting your point further puts you into hot water. For your information i firmly believe ashipa was an isheri awori chief, ashipa is a name that is broken down in yoruba. It's only on blogs you'll see it as a corruption. It's madness to label it a corruption when ashipa was one of the most popular chieftancy titles in the oyo mesi, oyo empire sentaorial councily
Its a yoruba name through and through,no matter how online bini trolls and insecure bini people try to cover that fact. The truth is open to any reasonable person. Also the final nail, i specifically in the quote you put up there stated how the bini traders and royals and other aristocrats were mostly of ife descent as the erelu kuti 5 in the video your fellow dullrd brother posted alluded too, even the ones who weren't of ife descent spoke yoruba(Lukumi) because that was the language of the palace, administration and trade. This is all documented!!

I will never go against TAO11, don't ever dream of it. She has repeatedly schooled you all here. We the viewers know the truth. I've gone through threads since 2019. And greggyboy you and your brothers, samuk, ogbe and the gang have forever and always been shamed by academic, authentic early historical accounts, and professional historical analysis with several references. Your bini lies will know be met with more aggression on social media. You all will never escape the fact that that a yoruba man has been ruling you all for close to a 1000 years

The guy knows he is lying to himself — pretending to be mentioning me, but yet spelt my moniker wrongly so I wouldn’t see the mention notification.

Bunch of Bini circus clowns.

Cheers.

KingOKON:
[s]Why not say Oyekan is from Oshogbo
Smoke dat thing well well Iya Basirat[/s]

Read a book today.

I know the word “book” scares the souls out of you.

https://www.nairaland.com/6697675/power-oba-benin-wield-past/23#109776624

KingOKON:
[s]More juiciy extract from the Prince

Kabiyesi is one of us. He’s from the[/s] Ologunkutere [s]lineage like myself. In Lagos, we have what we call declaration. When a position is vacant, any of the princes is eligible to contest. So, we are all from the same family. Since the reign of[/s] Ologunkutere, all the Obas have been from the lineage (Ologunkutere). [s]Oba Akiolu is our blood relation...

Iya Basirat, what have you to say or you still feel the urge of smoking more of that stuff[/s]

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You be real Dullard.

Ologun-Kutere is from Ileṣa.
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KingOKON:
[s]Iya Basirat aka Tao11 still forming professor, well go and tell Lagos Royals all this your Oshogbo tales
Now listen attentively to this from the Bajulaiye of Lagos, the son of Oba Oyekun
.
..... Bajulaiye is a unique and significant chieftaincy title in Benin Kingdom (Edo State), where we originate from. Over there in Benin, they will tell you ‘Obazuaye’. Bajulaiye is a very important chieftaincy title in Benin Kingdom and Lagos.

You can read all from the horses mouth here
https://www.vanguardngr.com/2016/10/son-of-the-late-oba-oyekan-tackles-igbos-others/amp/

Very juiciy, not the concoction Iya Basirat the Ogane weed smoking machine has been concocting from the bushes of Oshogbo.

The boys of Eko knows this , Erelu knows the Royals knows only Iya Basirat the Oshogbo self acclaimed scholar of historical jargons knows more than all of them[/s]

This one nor know left from right. Anyway, see links below:

https://www.nairaland.com/6697675/power-oba-benin-wield-past/20#109743059

https://www.nairaland.com/6697675/power-oba-benin-wield-past/20#109744722

KingOKON:
[s]King wey ordinary boys chased out of the palace like a chicken wants to tell the family of a ex king where they came from
Continue smoking that thing.
https://www.vanguardngr.com/2017/12/benin-people-owned-lagos-aworis-paid-royalties-erelu-abiola-dosunmu/amp/[/s]

This one nor know left from right. Anyway, see links below:

https://www.nairaland.com/6697675/power-oba-benin-wield-past/20#109743059

https://www.nairaland.com/6697675/power-oba-benin-wield-past/20#109744722

christistruth01:
Tao11 from History I am aware that the Ijebus and possibly the Awori too are masters of Ambush Warefare on Water especially in the Jungle environment of the Lagoon where they can easily be concealed

The Oba of Benin and his entourage would have been like Sitting ducks in the Middle of the Lekki Lagoon they would have been too tempting a target to for the Warriors to resist

What the Ijebus usually do is to soak a lot of arrows in Palm Oil and wrap Ogusho around them then set the Arrows ablaze and rain them down on the Oba and his entourage in the middle of the Lagoon setting the entire Canoe War Party on fire anybody who is not a good Swimmer is finished

Yes, the Ijebus are great water rovers — the oriki says it all:

ọmọ a-jẹ’bú, i.e. the children of the deep-water rovers.

And the Aworis too are great water rovers — the oriki literally says it all:

ọmọ k’á f’ọpa wà, k’á f’àjẹ̀ wà, i.e. the children of those who paddle with the ‘pole’ and the oar.


Cheers.

Jameseddi1:
Was the Olofin the first ruler of Lagos? Saved your lie for someone else

YES

He ruled from his seat at Iddo island — covering Eko island, Iru island, Otto, Ebute-Meta, etc.

[s]Benin bring your first ruler
Your first second in command (prim minister) and the rest follow this how it is.

First ruler
First prime minister
First General of army
First captain that lead war

So no your level ok Benin colonized Lagos they Seth the the first foundation the rest story you are saying are moonlight story.[/s]

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EVIDENCE please??

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Jameseddi1:
[s]So you mean Adam and Eve kill Oba of Benin[/s]

Jameseddi1:
[s]Who kill this king? Don’t tell me is uncolonized ungorvern uneducate uncivilized people with no ruler… please save the lie for your child.

A place that have no king have no general have no army how were they now able to kill Oba?[/s]

The same army of the Olofin who humiliated the Binis are the same ones who drowned your Ọba at Lagos.

No, it wasn’t A mErE aCciDeNt as you’ve been made to believe since childhood.

Kisses

Jameseddi1:
[s]Killing Oba Benin then paying tribute to Oba of Benin lol

After you killed him then you started paying tribute to him?[/s]

Killing a Benin king that wanted war?? YES

Appreciating another Benin king (some100 years later) who helped Ashipa?? YES.

What do you not understand ? Oh I know what you do not understand.

And that’s the meaning of the English word “tribute”

Cheers

Cc: christistruth01

Jameseddi1:
[s]I guess you are still proving some point here but Tao11 is still finding all necessary mean to twist it, Tao11 you seems to be professional in twisting history did you study it?[/s]

gregyboy, is this the best you can do? Haha

christistruth01:
So you think it was the Olofin and his men that did it because some accounts say he died leading a War party around Lekki

And you know that the Benin will never want to say the Awori killed their Oba

Of course, the attack was on Eko itself.

But other Yorùbá kingdoms and peoples would have been involved in the beating received by the Binis.

The Ijebus being neighbors and relations would have also contributed its army to the Olofin’s use.

In fact, there are Ibadan traditions which states that a certain Lagelu was one of the Ife warriors despatched to fight under the Olofin for that purpose.

Cc: christistruth01

And you know that the Benin will never want to say the Awori killed their Oba In a War but from the details from different sources that seems to be what happened and from then on
Benin Oba's didn't lead War Parties anymore
At least not Officially

Exactly!

And that’s why they covered it up by saying it was just an accident.

Cc: christistruth01

christistruth01:
If you read about Oba Ehengbuda of Benin it looks like it was the Ijebus that attacked and drowned he and his entourage at Lekki

By all indications, it appears he drowned during their first attempt to occupy Lagos by force.

The Lagos account recalls clearly that the Benins were humiliated and defeated during that attempt.

That their Ọba lost his life in the course of that attack is the most apparent explanation.

There are songs till date which recalls the bravery of the Olofin and how he fought as the Olofin he is.

They try to mask his death (in their Benin tradition) as a mere accident. LMAO.

After all the conflict, a period of peace followed, and they did what others did — that is to seek permission to land from the owners to set up their trade colony.

Cheers.

Cc: christistruth01

christistruth01:
That Ashipa was a bit of an Afonja
The good thing was that the Awori didn't give him face
Unlike the Other Afonja that his followers tried to bring down their own Oyo Kingdom

Lol.

But the difference here is that:

He wasn’t allowed right to land anywhere on the island except back at Isheri though.

Moreover, all his “younger cousins” — i.e. the Olofin’s children whom he came to mediate for — are all part of his government till date.

Cheers.
Cc: christistruth01

christistruth01:
Tao11 Ashipa was the Ashipa of Isheri

It was Greed that made him to use cunning Cunning to liaise with the Oba of Benin and he didn't even live to enjoy the fruits of his Treason

Of course there are no two Ashipa’s in the Lagos area at the time.

He was invited from Isheri by the Olofin himself — he was called upon to mediate between his children.

After doing a good job of mediation/apportionment, he also established the Eko monarchy for himself via the support of the immigrants and one of their king.

christistruth01:
Yes Tao11 the Oba of Benin was the Oba of Lagos Political Godfather
Isale Eko was a big Slave Market

To be honest Tao11 the money sent to the Oba of Lagos was blood money Royalties for his help in facilitating the Slave Trade at Isale Eko and Certainly not Tribute from the Awori

Yes we both agree that it’s for appreciation.

But it wasn’t appreciation for facilitating slave trade.

It was initiated by Ashipa as a gratitude for being his patron when he (Ashipa) desired to found the kingship

Ashipa himself is Awori from Isheri-Olofin<sup>.1

1</sup>The Isheri-Olofin which is along the Ogun-River, not the newly named one which used to be Isheri-Idimu.

Cheers.

Cc: christistruth01

And it’s not exactly as the example you cited.

Yes, I know what you mean and they know it too.

But they’re always more than happy to take advantage of any vague expression you use.

Hence the need for extreme clarity when dealing with Benin fraudsters & revisionists.

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The person who initiated the remittances (Ashipa) has no descent from Benin whatsoever.

That’s the aspect you must always stress if you choose this analogy again next time.

He initiated it (based on agreement) as an expression of gratitude for the Benin help he received.

Cheers

christistruth01:
Tao11 I know but I want him to restrict the argument to Isale Eko Where the Oba of Lagos was a Babaloja and was only sending Oba of Benin his royalties from the Slave Market


So that wil restrict the Geographical Space being argued over since Yesterday

I get.

But you know they’re not bright.

They’re happy to quickly misconstrue you.

You have to be more than clear with these liars

So, while restricting it to the appropriate place (isale-Eko), you must also state what exactly happened per the old accounts:

(1) There was no conquest on Eko.

(2) Bini and others settled by asking for permission.

(3) Ashipa (a Yorùbá) courted the immigrants support

(4) He made remittance to the Benin king for the help

christistruth01:
Please which Geographical part of Lagos are you referring to because 95 % of Awori never had any Business with Benin at all

You do know that when the British Arrived mainland Lagos and Iddo ,Lekki were fiefdoms of Egba Abeokuta and Ijebuland

It doesn’t matter which part.

No part paid tribute of “conquest” to Benin.

The old account state Eko paid a tribute of gratitude.

And that was initiated by Ashipa for the Benin’s help.

The early account is clear. Eko was NEver conquered.

Cheers.

Jameseddi1:
[s]Benin was the first established nation in southern Nigeria they gave you all king they colonized you all. They make you all know what is power government king prime minister and all that Benin enlightened you people how to wear clothes cause you people where naked before. Ok now check this.

How come the first accepted ruler of Onitcha has to come from Benin.

First ruler of onitcha
First ruler of Itshekiri
First ruler of Lagos
First ruler of isoko
First ruler of Asaba
First ruler of agbor
First ruler of Igala

All this first ruler came from already well governed kingdom of Benin. And I can prove every single one of them to you![/s]

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EVIDENCE Please?? ?? ??

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particularly for the Yoruba one in your listing.

Jameseddi1:
[s]You keep lying to yourself.

That tribute was paid because Benin was the overload there it ended as Benin empire ended by the British.

Benin created Lagos establish it just as they did to the rest places.
Benin colonized you people Igbos Igala ughobo isoko Itshekiri.

Benin was the first established nation in southern Nigeria they gave you all king they colonized you all. They make you all know what is power government king prime minister and all that Benin enlightened you people how to wear clothes cause you people where naked before. Ok now check this.

How come the first accepted ruler of Onitcha has to come from Benin first before it can be accepted as a ruler

First ruler of onitcha
First ruler of Itshekiri
First ruler of Lagos
First ruler of isoko
First ruler of Asaba
First ruler of agbor
First ruler of Igala

All of them came from Edo first before they were able to instal them as ruler

How come all this how come all of them was able to be known or be respected as a king after arilval from Edo?


Benin city seems to be like God then or head pop the to this people then that it need to ordain them first before they can become a king.[/s]

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EVIDENCE Please?? ?? ??

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particularly for the Yoruba one in your listing.

Jameseddi1:
[s]Ekiti Lagos Ondo Benin empire.

How many state do Yoruba have again?

How really great was this your Oyo empire?[/s]

Jamessed1 & Binis: Benin empire kingdom conquered Ekiti, Lagos, and Ondo.

Ekiti, Lagos, Ondo: We were never conquered by Benin.

Jamessed1: Omg, I will commit suicide.

Me: What are you waiting for?

Cheers.
Cc: sherlock229

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For a sneak peek into what Oyo empire was according to firsthand observers:

“The Yaribeans have the reputation of being the best bowmen in Africa; and the young men soon become excellent marksmen by frequent practice and steady perseverance, which latter is a virtue that falls to the lot of but few nations in the central parts. They amuse themselves daily by attempting to discharge arrows through a small hole made for the purpose in a wall, at a great distance from the standing ground, and I have frequently seen individuals accomplish this difficult task three successive times, when upwards of a hundred yards from the spot; but it requires great and unceasing practice to attain to so much perfection in the art.”

Richard Lander; Records of Captain Clapperton’s Last Expedition to Africa, Vol. 2., (1830), p. 222.

Reposting: The Old Accounts — Ashipa & Benin

(1) Lagos account makes it clear that Ashipa began to rule the island Eko which hitherto is a territory of the Oloto of Ìddó/Otto.

(2) In order to appropriate that particular island (Eko) for himself, he formed a coalition with the immigrants who had come to establish trade settlements there.

(3) In due course, he particularly courted the support of the Benin government (whose citizens were also on the island) by leading the delegation who took home the corpse of a Bini leader (Asheru) who died at Iṣeri.

(3) At Benin, he strengthened the ties even further by marrying from the royal family. This union produced his son Ado who was born there in Benin.

(4) On returning from Benin, he is now certain of not only the masses’ support, but also the support of one of their kings — the then Benin king.

(5) He established a new monarchy for that particular island — a monarchy which carved out Eko for itself, away from the control of the Oloto.

(6) On returning from Benin, the Benin king sent some important Bini citizens with him to ensure that he does not forget the interest of Benin too in his government.

(7) In all, the Lagos account makes it crystal clear that Ashipa is a Yorùbá man (Awori to be precise) from the place called Iṣeri, along the Ogun river in Lagos.

(8 ) His son Ado who is descended from the Benin king via his (Ado’s) mother-side was later sent to Eko after Ashipa’s reign.

(9) Ado thus becomes enshrined in Lagos traditions as the first official/crowned-king of Eko; even though his father (the progenitor of the dynasty) is also treated as king.

(10) As such, the Eko kings were bound to their Benin counterpart by a strong tie of gratitude which is often recognized by remittances and confirmation honor.

In fact, the royal corpse of certain Eko kings are sent to Benin — but after the head had been removed.

The head is removed only to show that here in Lagos is the land of their fathers patrilineally. Recall that the head always stays with the fathers’ land and the body with the mother’s’ land — just as with IFe & Benin.

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Appendix:
The point made by @christistruth01 about the Ada & Abẹ[n]rẹ[n] is not that the Ọọni despatched them to the Eko dynasty. Of course not.

That must have been despatched (or borrowed) from Benin during the Aṣipa- Benin patron-protege pact.

His point, however, is that the source of Benin’s Ada & Abẹñrẹñ [Bini: Ẹbẹñrẹñ, and recently Ẹbẹñ] in the first place is actually Ifẹ.

In other words, it’s a Yorùbá heritage ab-initio. That is all he was saying. Shikena.

This is backed by surviving cultural/ethnographic, and even epigraphic/archaeological evidence in Ife.

Cheers.

REPOSTING — On Aṣípa (Ashipa)

(1) There is no one in the history of Benin who goes by the name or title “Ashipa” or “Eshipa”. None.

(2) On the other hand, there has been this very name or title in Yorùbá history long before this Lagos one.

(3) If we pretend it to be a Bini word, then it will have no meaning whatsoever. Zero meaning.

(4) But in Yorùbá language (wherein it’s been in usage for centuries before Lagos), it’s meaning is very clear.

(5) Even some of the the most basic speakers can see the meaning from the Yoruba language:

A: the one [who]. Ṣí: opens/paves. Ipa: the path.

(6) Binis saw that their account was flawed, so they got creative and came up with another revision:

They now said his name originally is: “Aisika-hienbore” and it means: “we shall not abandon this place”.

(7) This revision still makes zero sense simply because that so-called “original” name is an afterthought.

No person bears “we shall not abandon this place” as his/her name or title. It makes zero sense.

(8 ) All these proves one thing; that what we have here is a Yorùbá individual whom the Binis want to hijack.

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(9) The burial tradition for Aṣipa’s descendants (i.e. the ones who ruled) also establishes their paternal roots.

(10) Recall that Ashipa married a Bini woman by whom his son, King Ado was born.

(11) The burial custom provides that the royal body of a late crowned-king be taken to Benin; after the head had already been removed.

(12) In accordance with the Yorubas’ royal adage that:
“orí adé kì í sùn ìta” (the crowned-head isn’t interred in a foreign land); this burial custom also establishes that their paternal roots is Lagos.

(13) This burial custom wasn’t new, it has precedence in the classical connection between Ife and Benin.

(14) In all, the linguistic and cultural evidence establish one and the same thing — Lagos is the paternal home of Ado. His father, Aṣipa is a Yorùbá from Lagos.

(15) And this is exactly what the oldest known account about Aṣipa says concerning his roots — i.e. A Yorùbá chief from Isheri (along the River Ogun) in Lagos.

Cheers.

Jameseddi1:
[s]Lagos still have king now but they don’t pay tribute to Benin anymore you keep lying �

As the monarch continue to be lol are they still not monarch in Lagos?[/s]

Jameseddi1:
[s]And how come same century they ended Benin empire that was the same century lagos stop the tribute?[/s]

Even though we’ve proven here that there was nothing called Benin Empire (no eyewitness). But to answer:

Those who ended your kingdom are the same people who ended other kingdoms in “Nigeria” and took over.

Guess who they are!? Take a wild guess: The British.


Do I have to dumb this answer down for you, or your brain gets what’s going on?

Cheers

Jameseddi1:
I[s]f you buy a land now and build a house or a place, then people came from different place to live in this house and do business there.

Will this people not pay tax to the landlord of the land Building?.

Now what you are saying is the landlord is now the one paying this traders who came to trade in his land/building a tax. Continually is this even possible? Hear yourself
So if the Aworis were there landlord as you claim how come they were paying immigrants Benin tenant tribute? Or it should have be the other way round.

You think you talking to 5months baby here?

You clearly turning a baby breastfeeding his mother here.[/s]

I understand that the truth is hard on you. But c’mon I’ve only been citing the oldest accounts of Ashipa to you. Nothing more.

If you wanna challenge that, then bring me something older. Not a latter-day recent revision.

Jameseddi1:
[s]If they said Eko pay tribute to Benin is different from personal thank to Oba of Benin that you claimed.

Lagos pay tribute to Benin

Thanks given to Oba of Benin

This 2 sentence looks different one is personal and the other is not.

You are doing all your best to twist everything haha.

Did Lagos pay tribute to Benin yes or no.[/s]

English is the problem here now, right? Right!

(1) Grab a dictionary now and check all the meanings of the English word “tribute”.

You may find someone who knows English to read it to your hearing out loud.

(2) The old account also makes it clear what sort of tribute was being paid.

The old account states clearly that it was a tribute of “gratitude”.

For having supported him to achieve his aspiration of an independent monarchy.

And the appreciation was meant to continue as long as the monarchy itself continued to be.

Cc: SirNewtonNG

Another failure on arrival from the stable of the Bini obese midget — aka samuk:

(1)Every street here have an Ọba because that is wha freeborns do. Unlike in Benin where the people aren’ allowed to wear clothes by the Yoruba-Ọba of Benin.

The Binis are proud to be nick-named: “King’s slave”.

(2) LMAO! Guess what midget!?

The only reason why you don’t find the title of our Eko kingship to have ever being Enogie, Ovie, or Orodje, et al. is simple and obvious:

The first Eko rulers aren’t patrilineally descended from Benin kings. You find these “Ogie-like” titles & words only in places where their rulers are patrilineally Bini.

Thanks for this point which should make you see what the old accounts have been saying, that:

Ashipa is a Yorùbá man (from Isheri in Lagos), and his
son (Ado) is maternally related to the then Benin king.

(3) Refer to my foregoing comment just before this to see the relationship initiated between the Yoruba man Ashipa and the then Benin king.

(4) The remark of the Oba of Lagos could not possibly refer to Ashipa. Why? He already disconnected Benin from Lagos “ownership”.

In other words, if Ashipa was a Bini (patrilineally as yo are now praying that Ọba of Lagos should have said), he would not have cancelled Benin out of the equatio of Lagos ownership as he did in the video.

Also, the traditional royal song didn’t mention Ashipa, and couldn’t have referred to Ashipa for these reason:

If it was in reference to Ashipa, then clause “his father is a king” cannot possibly refer to any other king than the then Benin king.

In other words, assuming Ashipa is the referent would necessitate the conclusion that he is a son of the the Benin king — not a descendant, but direct son.

However, the Ọba of Lagos started off by saying that this person was a “descendant” of the Benin king.

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Clearly, the only individual who fits perfectly into both the opening words, and the traditional song is Aṣipa’s son, viz. King Ado — as follows:

Although Ashipa is the progenitor of the kingship and recognized as king; his son (Ado) is officially claimed as the first crowned king in terms of court-listing.

This Ado is indeed a descendant of the Benin king — not his direct son. Ado is descended from him via his (Ado’s) mother-side.

[BTW, “male descendant” means a male child whose descent is traceable to someone — nothing is implied here as to whether from mother-side of the child or from father-side of the child. In any case, Ado is not a direct son of the Benin king].

Now to the traditional song where it says “his father is a king”. It now becomes clear that this king is not a Benin king. That’s out of the way already via the Ọba’ use of descendant — not son. As such the only perso here is Ashipa (who of course is his father), and who is the progenitor of the Eko dynasty and as such also recognized in the tradition as king (even though it is often quickly added that he was non-authoritative as such for being uncrowned, etc.)

In sum, “Ado” is the referent of the song not Ashipa.

You may now proceed to my following comments for other information with which you’ve been debunked before on this very thread. Just as a reminder:

samuk:
[s](1)The yoruba people think Benin kingdom/empire operates or operated like yoruba land where every streets have an Oba.

(2)In Benin, it's only princes, direct descendants of oba of benin that are made Duke or Enogie or Eleko in the case of Lagos. The Lagos of late 1500s and early 1600s was a town that belonged to the Oba of Benin. This town, Lagos was populated by Benin soldiers and their commanders.

(3) The yoruba wants sensible Nairalanders to believe that the oba of Benin will appoint a commoner yoruba man to oversee his town populated by his military and commanders, it's like America appointing a local Afghanistan man to oversee America military base, America soldiers and their commanders in Afghanistan or America appointing a local Arab man to oversee America base in Kuwait or Saudi Arabia, or British appointing a local Nigerian to be the governor General of Nigeria before independence, maybe Lord Lugard was a local yoruba man from Isheri.

One cannot blame these guys too much because their so called empire is only on paper, otherwise they would have known how empires operate. Rome will not appoint any local to oversee their garrison towns, they always sent their governors from Rome during the Roman empire.

I have always told these people that ability to insults, copy and paste of references doesn't amount to being intelligent.

(4) The oba of Lagos have already told us that the first oba of Lagos Ashipa was a male descendant of the Oba of Benin. Oba Erediawa confirmed ghe oba of Lagos position and even gave the full Benin meaning of Ashipa.

The Lagos royalty have song they sing at the installation of every oba that confirmed that their father Ashipa was a Benin prince born in Benin but some people want to tell the world that the oba of Lagos doesn't know who his ancestors are.

Some yoruba people most think they are the only people that read these writeups.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TvaiC_djW8o[/s]

(1)You downloaded the original video from the YouTube page of Channels TV.

(2) You cut out where the king said Benin has no place in Lagos ownership.

(3) You uploaded your edited video to your own personal YouTube account.

(4) You finally posted the link of your edit here to deceive your fellow (of course gullible) Bini brothers.

You are a resolute fraud.
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Guess what!? I will post the original full video here as I do below. Here you go:

[Click the link, or click “Watch on YouTube”]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rOsp9VLRFno&t=303s

At timestamp 5:45, he debunked you all. Benin has no place in the ownership of Lagos. Gbam!
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Moreover, you tried to twist the traditional song which I actually translated for you in the first place. Ironic

The song actually doesn’t say that Benin is the land of Ado’s roots & origins as you pray it should say.

Instead, the song literally says:

“…our father’s [Ado’s] birth took place within Benin, & his father is a king not an expat-cum-commoner…”

Guess what!? We know this. His mother is Bini. He was born and raised in Benin until he was called from Eko to succeed his father.
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I don’t get your point about the salute gesture at all.

You’ve probably been reading with a blindfold to have missed where the old account shows that Ashipa did initiate a political tie with the then Benin king thereby making him the protege and the Bini king his patron.

Moreover, it is also documented in history that Benin courtiers are supposed to ensure that Aṣipa does not forget Benin interest. Why worry if he Aṣipa is Bini?

As such, the descendants of these courtiers (who are not members of the Eko royal family) have also been incorporated into the Yoruba Lagos today — although they’re in the minority.
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Lastly, he was asked to tell us about the connection of the Ekos & the Binis ~ timestamp 4:54:

He replied that the connection was between the first crowned-king of Eko and a certain Benin king.

He specifically used the phrase “male descendant” and this means that this first crowned-king (Ado) is a male child whose descent is traceable to that Benin king.

He, however, did not give any clarifying details as per which of Ado’s two parents link him (Ado) to that Bini king — Ado’s mom or Ado’s dad, he was silent on that.

The old accounts, however, noted this with clarity by saying that Ado’s mother is the Bini; and his dad is the Yoruba from Isheri in Lagos.

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In all, Ado’s father is Ashipa. Ashipa is an Awori noble from Isheri (along the Ogun River) in Lagos.

Ado’s mother is the Bini. She is of the Benin royalty & gave birth to him there in Benin city — until when he
was called upon from Eko to succeed his father.

The prominent & foremost indigenes of Lagos are the autochthonous people — the Yoruba, Aworis precisely

Cheers.

Jameseddi1:
[s]According to the 11 lady guy

Eko was never under the Benin control
Lagos never pay tribute to Benin
Ashipa was not a king and later he is a king again lol because the lagos palace song said Oba Ado is a prince.

There is something you need to ask yourself
Why did Lagos was paying tribute to Benin then

A landlord can just begin paying tenant tribute it surly the other way round.

So who was the landlord and who was the tenant?[/s]

You went the extra mile of typing “the 11 lady” instead mentioning me directly.

In other words, you are so convinced that what you’r about to type are LIES, otherwise you wouldn’t be ma that I will debunk them.

BTW, you sound so familiar—like a Bini illiterate who I’ve come across on Nairaland. Abi you guys are now hiding behind new monikers ni?

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Now to debunking your fresh heap of crap-cum-strawman.

(1)Eko was sovereign & independent with its own king

(2)Lagos never had an Enogie, Ogiame, Ovie, Orodje, etc. which is the standard for places ruled by people who are patrilineally descended from a Benin king.

(3) At no point was it ever mentioned in my comment anywhere on Nairaland that Ashipa was not a king.

It’s beginning to look as if the Oba of Benin may die if a Bini man does not lie in a day. The slaves lies are like his life support plug/machine. Now I get it.
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Though non-authoritative (for being uncrowned), he’s a king; and his son was the first official/crowned king.

(4) Ashipa (a Yorùbá from Isheri) appropriated Eko to himself by winning the hearts of the immigrants (Aja, Ijaw, Benin, Ijebu, et al.) who have for long establishe trade colonies there sided-by-side the Yoruba owners

He was finally able to achieve his aim of founding his desired monarchy for Eko (now independent of Iddo) especially via the support of the most populous of th immigrant groups (the Binis) and their king.

He made two moves to court the support of the Beni government, namely: led the delegation who took the corpse of a certain Benin man to Benin; married from the then Benin king — giving birth later to Ado.

In appreciation to the Benin king as his patron in the course of establishing his desired monarchy, he made remittances (of course as would have been agreed at the outset) to the Benin government — i.e. tributes on the basis of gratitude, aka thank-you-payments.

(5) I don’t know of any account (Lagos truths or Benin lies) where Benin ever claimed to be landlord at Eko.

This one is new. Is this the latest one from the stables of the Yoruba-hating Bini YouTube clown, Imasuen?

Cheers.

SirNewtonNG:
You are the empty barell, according to you Beni people you own all of southern nigeria but your language is restricted to 2by2 and in reality no one cares. Bini only rules on YouTube and Nairaland Thank God for the likes of madam TAO11 bringing sanity and authentic early history back. Imagine you miscreants on here decide to say there's no more relationship between ufe(uhe) and bini anymore from oduduwa is ekaladerhan in 2019 to no relationship anymore in 2021. I just dey laugh as una dey embarass yourself

Good one sir. Now you know he is a fraud.

And I actually debunked his compressed Oba of Lagos video in my comments where I wrote and I quote below:

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Fraudulent child of Benin.

(1)You downloaded the original video from the YouTube page of Channels TV.

(2) You cut out where the king said Benin has no place in Lagos ownership.

(3) You uploaded your edited video to your own personal YouTube account.

(4) You finally posted the link of your edit here to deceive your fellow (of course gullible) Bini brothers.

You are a resolute fraud.
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Guess what!? I will post the original full video here as I do below. Here you go:

[Click the link, or click “Watch on YouTube”]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rOsp9VLRFno&t=303s

At timestamp 5:45, he debunked you all. Benin has no place in the ownership of Lagos. Gbam!
———
Moreover, you tried to twist the traditional song which I actually translated for you in the first place. Ironic

The song actually doesn’t say that Benin is the land of Ado’s roots & origins as you pray it should say.

Instead, the song literally says:

“…our father’s [Ado’s] birth took place within Benin, & his father is a king not an expat-cum-commoner…”

Guess what!? We know this. His mother is Bini. He was born and raised in Benin until he was called from Eko to succeed his father.
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I don’t get your point about the salute gesture at all.

You’ve probably been reading with a blindfold to have missed where the old account shows that Ashipa did initiate a political tie with the then Benin king thereby making him the protege and the Bini king his patron.

Moreover, it is also documented in history that Benin courtiers are supposed to ensure that Aṣipa does not forget Benin interest. Why worry if he Aṣipa is Bini?

As such, the descendants of these courtiers (who are not members of the Eko royal family) have also been incorporated into the Yoruba Lagos today — although they’re in the minority.
———
Lastly, he was asked to tell us about the connection of the Ekos & the Binis ~ timestamp 4:54:

He replied that the connection was between the first crowned-king of Eko and a certain Benin king.

He specifically used the phrase “male descendant” and this means that this first crowned-king (Ado) is a male child whose descent is traceable to that Benin king.

He, however, did not give any clarifying details as per which of Ado’s two parents link him (Ado) to that Bini king — Ado’s mom or Ado’s dad, he was silent on that.

The old accounts, however, noted this with clarity by saying that Ado’s mother is the Bini; and his dad is the Yoruba from Isheri in Lagos.

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In all, Ado’s father is Ashipa. Ashipa is an Awori noble from Isheri (along the Ogun River) in Lagos.

Ado’s mother is the Bini. She is of the Benin royalty & gave birth to him there in Benin city — until when he
was called upon from Eko to succeed his father.

The prominent & foremost indigenes of Lagos are the autochthonous people — the Yoruba, Aworis precisely

Cheers.