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nihilistjnr:
Messi has not won anything that victor Valdes and Pedro has not won. The three of them were carried by Xavi and Iniesta.

Messi did not win anything for Argentina unlike pedro and Valdes, because Xavi wore red and black not blue and white.

Maradona won the world cup.

Messi cannot even win Copa America featuring Qatar, Japan, and Ikeja local goverment.


Maradona > Messi


Take it from the Argentines themselves. The only people who believe otherwise are Nigerian Barcabots who dont even support super eagles.

The real Buenos Aires indigenes know who the top don is.

Some of those who that think Messi is better than Maradona(The part you cut off from your attachment )

Diego Maradona: "Messi is the best I've seen in my 56 years and I think god every day that he's Argentinian."

Alex Ferguson: "Maradona's career was only at the highest level for a few years, therefore Messi is better than him."

Sergio Ramos: "For me, Maradona is great, a top player and I respect him a lot. However, in Argentina they know that Maradona is streaks behind the best Argentinian player, who, for me, is Lionel Messi."

Dani Alves: "They want to compare Messi with Maradona, but you can't compare them. How many Ballon d'Or's does Maradona have?

Vicente Del Bosque: "Messi is the best player, he's addicted to playing football. He's a player that played on the street and this defines him, it's a natural talent. He's the best in history."

Eden Hazard: "There aren't two best players in history. There's only one and it's Messi."

Andres Iniesta: "He's the best in history. He has it all: heading, right foot, left foot. I haven't seen anyone do what he does on a football pitch and it's not just been for a year: he's been doing it for 15 years."

Xavi: "He becomes a better player with every day that passes. He's incredible. Not only at the moment, but in history. He's made the difference in each game for 12 years. He's the best player in history for sure, in my opinion."

David Villa: "I don't think a player like Messi that has spent all this time at the highest level has to win the World Cup to be considered as one of the best in history. He's going to be the best, no matter what everyone else wins."




Of course Argentines generally love Maradona more;

The reason is obvious, no need to highlight it.

But the greatest cannot be left to the Argentine people alone.

nihilistjnr:
Messi has not won anything that victor Valdes and Pedro has not won. The three of them were carried by Xavi and Iniesta.

Messi did not win anything for Argentina unlike pedro and Valdes, because Xavi wore red and black not blue and white.

Maradona won the world cup.

Messi cannot even win Copa America featuring Qatar, Japan, and Ikeja local goverment.


Maradona > Messi


Take it from the Argentines themselves. The only people who believe otherwise are Nigerian Barcabots who dont even support super eagles.

The real Buenos Aires indigenes know who the top don is.

I seriously don't understand again;

Is it

Messi versus Maradona?

Or

Messi versus Pele?

Or

Messi versus Ronaldo?


Just one man!!



The man is a MYTH!

liveLongNprospa:
Sigh.. I am tired

see this one ooh

are you addicted to quoting me?

ahn ahn

obainojazz:
With VAR.. Messi will have just one CL.. That means Club world cup canceled.. Euro super cup.. Canceled... Oga will be having the usual la liga and copa de Rey

Glad you got my point!

The lines are so thin!!

You can't just sit there shouting "international flop" at some player who worked his way to 3 finals and just recently lost a semi final probably because the same VAR in our discussion was deliberately not consulted!!!

"International flop"
"System player"

Glad my point finally sank home.

By the way,

Why is Dani Alvez not even the GOAT.

He has won everything with club,

And just won a "senior trophy"


As we have all been informed;

*There is knock out goal and there is non-knock out goal

*There is senior trophy and there is junior trophy.

nihilistjnr:
Maradona is the greatest footballer to come out Argentina.

I dont care about other opinions, because they cannot hold as much clout in Argentina as Maradona.

There are only 2 left footed midgets from Argentina to ever be in the GOAT conversation, and Messi is not even best one.

I cant help feeling for him - being the least accomplished player in a very very niche category.

But trust me the bolded only exists on the minds of Cristiano fan boys and fan men. (Not even Maradona or Pele fans).

On a scale of 1 to 500,
Maradona's achievement for club would be 250,

Messi's would be 499.

Not trying to convince you that Messi is greater than Maradona but his club achievement alone drowns everything Maradona ever did minus his world cup trophy.


The irony of it all is that Maradona would not be Maradona if the same VAR of today existed in 1986.

So at the end of the day, this equation of mine below might be valid.



Messi > Maradona + VAR

Awesome01:
Tesppidd, I'm happy the above came from you.

My question is: If you know all these about the trolls, why waste precious time arguing endlessly with them. You can never convince or change their mindset to the club and its players. Why not ignore them?

lol


But what do they say again about allowing falsehood thrive for too long?
It begins to seem like the truth, infact it might become the truth at this rate on nairaland.


That's the reason why whenever I read some lies(blatant and implied) the urge to respond is way stronger than Mr MARADONA yearning for cocaine.

I know the argument is all quite boring on this thread,

But these trolls(a lot are not trolls but genuine haters) feel happy with themselves when their lies go unchecked sometimes.

barackodam:
We can't. Any player coming knows he'd have to play second fiddle. Alba can't be benched, doesn't get injured, meaning he'd spend most of his days on bench and playing useless cup matches, even a 23 yo Digne had to run away, so who would come despite knowing these? Same problem we have with Suarez.

We're practically stuck with Suarez and stuck on Suarez.

nihilistjnr:
With love from an Argentine who has coached Messi and watched both

lol

Just like getting Pele to speak on Romario.


Trust me you don't want us start to extract quotes on Messi/Ronaldo debate and GOAT status,
from ex players and coaches;

Because you have the short end of the stick already.

We could do that the whole day.


You make the call, just type go!

APC should sacrifice Bello if they want Kogi.

MyVILLAGEpeople:
APC should just forget Bayelsa state. Even Timipre Silva that's forming godfather can't do anything.
As for Kogi state. The Cabals in Abuja might give Yeye bello the ticket for a perfect ass licking job on the gworo chewing and burukutu sipping cow heder in Aso rock.

E pain am sha.

Olamyyde:
Barcelona is the most hated club on Nairaland.

They hate us cos they ain't us

I tell you why;

I believe that 90 percent of Nairalanders are EPL fans.


Real Madrid never really played EPL clubs like we did.
Hence the love/worship/asslick of Ronaldo.

But we married and doggied every single one of them bar Liverpool over the years.

Arsenal fans are mad.
Man U fans are mad.
Man City fans are mad.
Chelsea fans are mad.
Tottenham fans just started getting mad.

At the center of it all, a certain Leo Messi.

That's is the reason Barca and Messi are so hated, not only on nairaland but also amongst the predominant Engish football supporters.

holums:
I disagree VAR favoured Argentina against the Super Eagles in Russia World Cup by refusing to award us another penalty but the pendulum didn’t swing in his favour hence the excuse he’s giving. Brazil were a better side in winning the match

You are still missing the point.

In our case the ref did not refuse to use the VAR.

He used it and still made a wrong judgement.


In this case the ref refused to use it at all.

Not once but twice.


Haba.

eni4real:
When Maradona was scoring hand ball goal that year and won the World cup , did it count or not??

This is a VAR era. Messi is right...

How can a Ref decide not to use the VAR in a Super clasico match??

Instead of grandstanding, The referee and CONMEBOL just need to apologize and let's move on.

Messi Is 100 percent right on this one.

Tonymegabush1:
i never said he shouldn't complain but to say he didnt collect medal bcus he felt the officials were corrupt what happen to other times he collect medals why its obvious match officials were in favour of barca..

Okay,

I get you now.


But I don't think he declined the medal because of the Brazil match.
It was because of the red card he received against Chile.

Players who are red carded in matches like that can decide whether they want to return for the medals presentation or not.

thesicilian:
Whether Messi thinks he's right or not, he should issue a public apology. As long as he can't provide any tangible proof of the corruption. And the thing about apologies is, he doesn't even have to mean it, just say sorry.

What more proof do you want?

Even if the proof was staring at You, would you accept it?


VAR was used throughout the competition.
Even in the final Brazil versus Peru VAR was used in awarding 2 penalties.

How did VAR suddenly disappear in the Argentina versus Brazil game?

Even with 2 penalty appeals?

Dani Alvez and co should stop trying to save face.

If VAR was not in existence I could pardon the referee and take it as a normal error.

But there has got to be an explanation for refusing to consult VAR not just once but twice!

As long as you hate Messi I do not expect you to be able to see any proof.

Tonymegabush1:
Never forget in a hurry.


NB no corruption when it favours you and your team but na corruption when it goes against you....

Nobody should stop anybody from complaining.

Drogba complained that time, why shouldn't Messi complain now?

Is this Northernization of Fulanisation?

jonsnow92:
To be frank, Ill take Semedo as first choice and regular starter with Roberto playing less important games or deputising when semedo gets injured.. For years, Alves was our regular RB and he maintained that position for years but trust EV, he will still be do his regular trash by trusting Roberto more than Semedo.

Its Alba we need a serious deputy for.

Semedo was a hit, I said it from day one.

I would play him all day, all night everyday of the week.


Where do we get a capable LB?

jonsnow92:
Dembele reportedly cuts short his holiday by a week so as to report to training earlier than other teammates.


Oluwa let him finally have some balls this new season

Still who will be the deputies for Semedo and Alba?

jonsnow92:
Dembele reportedly cuts short his holiday by a week so as to report to training earlier than other teammates.


Oluwa let him finally have some balls this new season

And some calcium medication too.

Abimloaded:
For as much as I know about this MESSI & RONALDO stuff, it all started with banters and trolls. Now, it's pure HATRED for absolute no reasons.

Ronaldo fans needs to know that you don't have to downplay everything Messi has done out of sheer hatred for someone who doesn't even know you exist before you showcase the greatness of Ronaldo. Vice versa for Messi fans too.

This argument won't end because we all don't argue to reach conclusion. We argue to change an already fixed mindset.

Messi fans will highlight the flaws in Ronaldo's career which favours Messi's to pitch him better than Ronaldo. Same goes for Ronaldo fans too.

Imagine saying treble... Ronaldo hasn't won it. Messi has it twice.

Claudio Bravo won treble. Casillas is still dreaming of having it. It doesn't necessarily translate to Bravo being better. (It's a team thing).

Luis Suarez has an international Trophy, won European golden boots (in Messi and Ronaldo era X2) , won UCL and in fact, Won the golden ball at international stage. Does that translate to him being better than Messi ?

All these logics are just cooked up. ALL ARE FLAWED.

If only they know their hatred and opinion holds no water and doesn't even count on the greatness of these players.

It should be football trolling, not HATRED.

Nicely put.

At the end of the day I do honestly believe that the best way to tell who's a better player remains by watching them play.

Watch them every weekend and midweek, for club and for country.

Watch them consistently and let your conscience tell you some truth.

This afcon don tire me sef.

0-0
1-1
1--0

Mtcheew

Seems like I will switch to tennis now.

E don be for this man.

He is the scape goat.


Whatever did is what most "big men" so in this country.

Molest the down trodden.

usbcable:

Rubbish

That was pre VAR era.

VAR was introduced to correct such perceived errors.

You can have the assistance of VAR nowadays and blatantly refuse to use it.

Thiago Silva should look for something else to justify that scandal.

barackodam:
‼️ Antoine Griezmann has told Atléti that he's thinking of paying the €120M release clause himself, in order to join Barça, and the player therefore won't attend the presentation for preseason with the Colchoneros. Him paying the release clause is entirely legal. [@EduPolo , �]

Does he have that figure?

[quote author=nihilistjnr post=80069913][/quote]All these one na medicine after death.

Stories that touch!

He's got his Golden ball tucked away safely in his closet.

If you wan it goan collect it.

Am done with you Fraud Adam.

LordAdamX:
Dude I'm allergic to your immeasurable level of stup*dity. If stup*dity had a standard scale, they'd have to make a custom scale for you.

I'm as serious as cancer. There is no way I can even pretend to take you serious after that statement. If you don't have shame, me, I have shame. I cannot dance on the street with a mad person and then start trying to convince people that the mad person has moves. That'd be the equivalent of still trying to respond to you.

Even whatever you worship will not forgive me for continuing to debate you after he has in his infinite kindness revealed to me that you're irredeemably senseless. I have 70 or so years to live, replying you is the worst possible way to use that scarce time.

Like damn! I finally see an instance of stup*dity that'd make an amoeba (without a functioning neurological system) blush. In fact, you're a critical risk to the mental health of anyone around you.

-Lord

Hehehehe

Can see how much I got under your skin,

Considering how fast you jumped onto my mentions faster than that biitch jumped on Neymar dicckk,

I musta pulled your skirt up too high and exposed you as Fraud Adam for all the lies and half truths.

Answer the questions or fuucck off my posts.

LordAdamX:
Yes and Ronaldo had the most goals and assists in the team for the 2016 Euros and booked the team a place in the final of the Nations League with a superb hattrick.

That's how he led Portugal to the Euro and Nations League glory; by not just what he did on the pitch but also what he did off it.

-Lord

What If despite his hattrick versus Switzerland and being anonymous in the final, Guedes and Silva failed to show up and they lost?

Would Lord Adam call him an international flop?

I wanna know.

LordAdamX:
Yes and Ronaldo had the most goals and assists in the team for the 2016 Euros and booked the team a place in the final of the Nations League with a superb hattrick.

That's how he led Portugal to the Euro and Nations League glory; by not just what he did on the pitch but also what he did off it.

-Lord

What If he did all that (goals and assists) and then Eder did not score in the final and his team members lost to France?

Would you call him an international flop or not?

Answer.

LordAdamX:
I asked you a question: Answer it.

How many trophies has Messi won without goals?

Goals are not simply a portion of performance; they're the end-point and reason for a performance.

As for the question about excellence, CR7 did his part for the team to win the tourney; he had the most goals for his team in both tournaments he won. That is his job; and he damn well excelled at it.

You can continue propping up whatever means more to you, even if it's pre-assists, dude ain't complaining about his two trophies.

-Lord

I don't answer your questions, you answer mine;

How many times has he been adjudged the bestbplayer at a competition?

Any iidiot can sleep in the box to score goals.

We are talking about individual performance for national team abi?

Messi has been the best player at 3 out of 6 tournaments he's participated in, yet you call him a system player.

How many has Ronaldo won?

Answer, don't massturbate.