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Romance › Re: The Most Selfish Are Those Who Live For Others by themallHunt: 2:41am On May 12, 2017

The difference between Mandela and Mugabe

Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah Witness Lady Dies After Refusing Transfusion During Childbirth (photo) by themallHunt: 12:51am On Feb 23, 2017

Hairyrapunzel:
The woman is 92 years sef. There are side effects in everything

There are side effects in everything grin

Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah Witness Lady Dies After Refusing Transfusion During Childbirth (photo) by themallHunt: 12:49am On Feb 23, 2017

Hairyrapunzel:
Every procedure has side effects. The side effects happen rarely. Blood transfusion doesn't kill all patients who receive it. It rarely ever kills. I know you have phobia for it don't tell me bible related bullshit

Every procedure has side effects grin

Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah Witness Lady Dies After Refusing Transfusion During Childbirth (photo) by themallHunt: 12:48am On Feb 23, 2017

Hairyrapunzel:
This study is faulty because the indication of blood transfusion in the first place is not even there. And there was no comparative study on people who received non blood alternatives for thesame illnesses and the same factors. You cant just make a conclusion based on the abstract from a study. So you cannot conclude that blood transfusion is the sole cause of reduced survival rate.

However, when a county's entire population is studied, posttransfusion mortality due to underlying disease is substantially lower than that previously reported in look-back investigations.

So at the end of the day the researchers didn't say blood transfusion is bad. Infact in underlying disease post transfusion mortality is lower to a great extent in this study.

This study is faulty because the indication of blood transfusion in the first place is not even there grin

Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah Witness Lady Dies After Refusing Transfusion During Childbirth (photo) by themallHunt: 12:47am On Feb 23, 2017

Hairyrapunzel:
For every fourteen thousand persons in this brooklyn hospital one person may have an error related transfusion reaction. It is very rare still.
I think you have a phobia for blood transfusion and not bible based issue cos it isn't bible based in the first place.
One persons reaction doesn't mean transfusion is bad. It is rare for transfusion related reaction to happen. You have still not given a study that said millions of people yearly die or have transfusion related reaction.

MMmmm, heheheehe, stop laboring..

Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah Witness Lady Dies After Refusing Transfusion During Childbirth (photo) by themallHunt: 2:36am On Feb 22, 2017

Time to Draw the tail of the... tongue

FlirtyKaren:
http://www.lailasblog.com/2017/02/jehovah-witness-lady-dies-after-refusing-transfusion-childbirth-photo.html

softwerk:
Surprisingly the church allowed her to receive Semen from her husband that got her pregnant in the first place but NOT his blood to save her life?! I'm not understanding this Ohh

newyorks:
faith gone wrong.rip pretty

benzics:
How foolish can religious people be? The doctor should have transfused the blood by force, let's see what she would do after a successful childbirth. Modified: though it's wrong, but if you can die for your beliefs, you can as well kill for your beliefs.. So you are a real problem to the society... That's how suicide bombers are formed, they believe dying and killing for their beliefs are right, I see no difference here

Heavance:
A serious example of what people say " die with what you believe in".

hopefulLandlord:
Mynd44 sounds like he's ignorant of JW's antics

Long-term survival after blood transfusion.

Vamvakas EC
Department of Laboratory Medicine and Pathology, Mayo Clinic, Rochester, Minnesota.
Taswell HF

Look-back investigations of populations of patients admitted to major tertiary-care hospitals in the 1980s found a 2-year posttransfusion mortality rate in excess of 50 percent. To quantify the association of blood transfusion with mortality in a more broadly based population, a cohort of all residents of a United States county who underwent transfusion in 1981 was studied.
Retrospective cohort study comprised 802 county residents. Complete follow-up (until death or for 10 years) was available on 93.9 percent.

The median length of survival was 95.0 (+/- 2.5) months. Twenty-four percent of patients died within 1 year after the transfusion, 30 percent within 2 years, 40 percent within 5 years, and 52 percent within 10 years. The relative risk of death within 10 years increased by 4.1 percent per unit of red cells (p < 0.0001), by 1.2 percent per unit of platelets (p = 0.0003), and by 7.3 percent per unit of fresh-frozen plasma (p = 0.0018) received in 1981, after adjustment for the effects on mortality of age, gender, and number of days of hospitalization in 1981.

CONCLUSION:
Receipt of a blood transfusion can be used as a descriptive epidemiologic index of morbidity in the general population, as it is independently predictive of mortality, adding to the predictive value of age, gender, and previous hospitalization. There is a dose-response relationship between the amount of blood components received and a reduction in the subsequent length of survival. However, when a county's entire population is studied, posttransfusion mortality due to underlying disease is substantially lower than that previously reported in look-back investigations.

But this OP below will say

Hairyrapunzel:
Lol, #ILOVETHESOCALLEDBROADWAY.

OYA, Corn don land oo grin

Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah Witness Lady Dies After Refusing Transfusion During Childbirth (photo) by themallHunt: 2:03am On Feb 22, 2017

BLOOD V: Will this happen with non blood medical management

MOBARA, Japan, Dec. 21 (UPI) -- A 92-year-old woman died in Mobara, Japan, after receiving a transfusion of a wrong blood type after a nurse mixed her name with another patient.

A nurse at a public hospital in the Chiba prefecture mixed up the blood type of the woman who was type O with a man with the same surname who had type A blood, the Mainichi Daily News reported.

Nagao Hospital officials apologized to the woman's family, reported the case to the police and promised to ensure such a mishap would not be repeated.

Hospital officials said the woman was hospitalized Dec. 17 for a broken leg and underwent surgery Friday. After the operation she was given the transfusion. Her condition subsequently worsened and she died after her internal organs failed.

Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah Witness Lady Dies After Refusing Transfusion During Childbirth (photo) by themallHunt: 2:00am On Feb 22, 2017

BLOOD IV: Something may go fatally wrong even if we complied with the stringent transfusion protocol and guidelines
Man dies after blood transfusion reaction

A Tuen Mun Hospital patient has died after suffering a rare, major blood transfusion reaction.

The 52-year-old man was admitted for a red-cell blood transfusion on January 3. After two hours of transfusion he went into shock with severe shortness of breath and a drop in blood pressure. He was transferred to the intensive care unit, and died at 2:16am today.

Secretary for Food & Health Dr York Chow expressed his sincere condolences to the patient's family. He said he is concerned about the case and has instructed an independent expert panel to try every means to track down the likely contamination source, and examine the blood collection, donation and administration procedures to minimise future risks.

The hospital will keep in close communication with the patient's family and render all necessary support.

The case will be referred to the Coroner.

The hospital has confirmed the staff conducting the transfusion complied with the stringent transfusion protocol and guidelines. It also confirmed the blood being transfused had been stored and handled properly.

Laboratory tests found the Pseudomonas fluorescens bacterium in the patient's blood and the blood bag. Further tests are underway.

The hospital said the case was a rare blood transfusion reaction and involved no staff or system error. It has formed an expert panel chaired by Hong Kong University Prof KY Yuen to investigate the case and submit a report to the Hospital Authority.

The authority has reminded public hospitals and staff to ensure strict compliance of transfusion procedures. The Blood Transfusion Service will review blood-collection procedures, screening and dispatching, and will remind frontline staff to strictly observe transfusion guidelines and report irregularities.

Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah Witness Lady Dies After Refusing Transfusion During Childbirth (photo) by themallHunt: 1:55am On Feb 22, 2017

BLOOD III: Medically safe but something may go fatally wrong

Man, 84, Dies After Blood Transfusion Error at Brooklyn Hospital (Patients' blood is being sent elsewhere for testing while officials investigate)

Officials say an 84-year-old patient died after getting a transfusion of the wrong blood type at a Brooklyn hospital.
The city's Health and Hospitals Corp. said the patient died at Coney Island Hospital on June 9.
The hospital's lab misidentified the patient's blood type, according to the Daily News.

The state Health Department has ordered the city-run hospital to send patients' blood elsewhere for testing.
In a statement, the HHC said "our deepest condolences go out to the family."
According to the News, such errors typically occur in about one of every 14,000 transfusions.

Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah Witness Lady Dies After Refusing Transfusion During Childbirth (photo) by themallHunt: 1:42am On Feb 22, 2017

BLOOD II: Very useful but their are medically acceptable choices available
Case Study: Transfusion-Free Leukemia Treatment
The treatment of leukemia may be one of the only exceptions to the general rule at USC that all patients can be cared for bloodlessly. The effects of chemotherapy on the bone marrow are such that blood counts almost always plummet, requiring the use of blood products to keep the patient alive.
Although little can be done for leukemia patients who cannot or will not accept blood transfusions, says Alexandra M. Levine, M.D., professor and chief of hematology and medical director of the USC/Norris Cancer Hospital, at USC these patients are allowed to make a choice. And that choice is respected.
“Our view is that if a person for religious or other reasons will not take blood transfusions, and still understands the risk of chemotherapy, then we will be happy to help them,” says Levine. “Some have survived and some have not. But they have the choice here.”

In addition, scientists are continuing to look into ways to turn even this one exception around, to be able to treat leukemia bloodlessly. And they’ve begun to find their way, least in the treatment of one condition called acute promyelocytic leukemia (APL).

“There is a drug called all-transretinoic acid that often can treat APL without the need for a transfusion,” notes Dan Douer, M.D., director of the Bone Marrow Transplant Program at the USC/Norris Comprehensive Cancer Center. “We treated a Jehovah’s Witness patient with APL using an experimental intravenous form of this medication, and she entered into a complete remission for three years before relapsing.”

Douer then treated the patient with another experimental drug called arsenic trioxide. Again the patient went into remission — without the need for blood products. “This is a revolution in the treatment of leukemia, because both drugs are not chemotherapy agents,” Douer says. “You can’t treat leukemia without blood products, but APL is one form of cancer that responds to this medication.”

University of Southern California
Transfusion-free Surgery and Patient Blood Management Program
Office/General Information line:
Phone: (323) 442-5261
E-mail: TFSPBMinfo@med.usc.edu

Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah Witness Lady Dies After Refusing Transfusion During Childbirth (photo) by themallHunt: 1:13am On Feb 22, 2017

BLOOD I: Very useful but NOT the Almighty
Transfusions kill patients, say doctors
@jeremylaurance
Thursday 11 February 1999 00:02 GMT
1. BLOOD TRANSFUSIONS given routinely to tens of thousands of critically ill patients may be killing them, doctors have found.
Canadian researchers have found that giving extra blood, despite its essential role in maintaining life, can cause more harm than good in those who have been thought in greatest need of it.
2. The unexpected finding, from a study of more than 800 critically ill patients, will deliver a serious blow to the idea of accident victims being stretchered into hospital with a bag of life-giving blood suspended above them.
3. Doctors had assumed that any means of boosting oxygen supply to the body's tissues in those who were seriously ill would improve their chances of survival. But the Canadian research shows that critically ill patients who received more blood were up to twice as likely to die as those who received less.
4. In Britain, an estimated 800,000 patients receive blood transfusions each year, most after routine surgery, and demand for blood is rising. Using less blood would also save costs and conserve a scarce resource.
5. The aim of a transfusion is to restore levels of haemoglobin, the oxygen- carrying constituent of red blood cells. Normal levels of haemoglobin range from 14 to 17 grams per decilitre. In the Canadian study, half of the 838 seriously unwell patients were given enough blood to raise their haemoglobin over 10 grams per decilitre, while the other half were restricted to only 7-9 grams per decilitre, half the normal level. One third of the restricted group received no blood at all.
6. On average the restricted group received three units of blood (one and a half litres) less than the unrestricted group - but more of them survived. Among patients under 55 and the less severely ill, those who received less blood (or no blood at all) were half as likely to die as those who received more. The only exceptions were patients with heart attacks and unstable angina (chest pain).
7. Dr Paul Hebert and his colleagues from the University of Ottawa say in the New England Journal of Medicine: "Our findings indicate that the use of a threshold ... as low as 7 grams of haemoglobin per decilitre ... was at least as effective as and possibly superior to a liberal transfusion strategy ... in critically ill patients."
8. It is well-known that giving too much blood or other infusions can cause heart attacks or water on the lungs because of the effort required to pump the extra liquid round the body. But the researchers found these factors could not explain the differences they found.
9. In a commentary on the findings, Wesley Ely and Gordon Bernard of the Vanderbilt School of Medicine, Nashville, say it is difficult to explain the harm caused by liberal transfusion. One possibility is that a transfusion, like a transplant, delivers a shock to the immune system. "Harmless" viruses in the blood may also be implicated.
10. They say more trials are needed to determine the best treatment for critically ill patients. "With such knowledge, more physicians will be able to adhere to the dictum `first do no harm', and we will have a surplus of blood for transfusion rather than a shortage."

Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah Witness Lady Dies After Refusing Transfusion During Childbirth (photo) by themallHunt: 12:15am On Feb 22, 2017

[quote author=Hairyrapunzel post=53757948][/quote]The number of blood transfusion yearly are in millions. Blood is given in fractions these days not whole blood you hardly give whole blood. Do you know you resuscitate using fluids before you use blood? Most people get to survive before even needing a blood transfusion. When you need it you need it no alternative will work.I said when you need a blood transfusion and you choose to die instead of taking it and you die you killed yourself which is sucide. You even lied to drive home your point that blood transfusion increased risk of heart disease. You didnt even read the write up you just took the heading. LIAR LIAR

LET ME GIVE SOMETHING TO GLOAT ABOUT BECAUSE YOU'VE RUN OUT OF STEAM.
The following arguments based on work of those who should know; Blood is a profitable business for hospitals (and the Red Cross), just like anti-retroviral drugs in the hands of big drug and pharmaceutical companies. In such instances hospitals tend to be reluctant to consider alternatives. But you would NOT know tongue

With about 2, 827 hospitals providing comprehensive bloodless medicine and surgery programs in the U.S.A, and only 127 hospitals in 31 mostly northern states of the U.S - 53 of which are only in 5 states - leaving only a few in other countries in the entire world, it is easy to see why Christians may find it challenging to get the care they want and need.
If there were bloodless medicine and surgery programs in every hospital in the world, do you really think there would be anywhere near so many casualties among Christians? Of course not, because they would be getting the care we need when we need it. So there are evil people like you, who turn the word of God and it commandments upside - down and gleefully condemn any who may want to to obey them, by making sure that use whatever is in their power ridicule, oppress, deny and to cause HATE. But you would NOT know tongue

My point is there are cases where only blood transfusion will work. At least you have agreed that blood transfusion has helped people not only soldiers in war you don't have to be a soldier before blood transfusion. If soldiers are human beings other people are human beings too. The scriptures did not say blood transfusion. The scriptures have been in existence for thousands of years. Blood transfusion has been for centuries. But blood transfusion ban has been si ce 1945. So it is a man made doctrine. When it comes to saving lives you don't need what is not in the scriptures. So now blood transfusion is materialism lol. Life is very important
Saying people should kill themselves over a law not in the bible is wickedness and shows you have no conscience for human life. SHAME SHAME SHAME. Not only have people died so many people have still survived. Nobody is saying technology is not helpful. There are situations when you will require blood transfusion. People have benefited from technology. You cant compare an underdeveloped country to a developed country. You die from refusal of blood transfusion doesn't guarantee you eternal life. Those dead souls had a chance to live but chose to die as a result of a man made belief. People bomb places and human beings on religious grounds so we should applaud them. No religion has a right to impose that kind of belief on anyone. Any religion that imposes a ban on a medical procedure is a false religion and a cult. They have no right to interfere with treatment which can save life.

So much rubbish. So since you can't compare an underdeveloped country to a developed country, therefore sacredness of one of God's law will have to be interpreted by different countries as it suits them. So if you die from refusal of blood transfusion it doesn't guarantee you eternal life, but if you die after refusing blood transfusion you will go to heaven to live with the angels and if you live after refusing a blood transfusion you will be condemned to hellfire. S H A M E ON PHARISEES and HYPOCRITES

The bloodiest star comment of the year, on behalf of all haters is..Blood is given in fractions these days not whole blood you hardly give whole blood
grin

I now return to the first paragraph where I find a typical example of inferiority complex. Our third world country people, like you, proposing different behavior for underdeveloped country Christians and developed country Christians. S-H-A-M-E ON ALL PHARISEES and HYPOCRITES

Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah Witness Lady Dies After Refusing Transfusion During Childbirth (photo) by themallHunt: 8:02pm On Feb 20, 2017

Hairyrapunzel:
1. Lol 2 sam 23 vs 15-17. 15David had a craving and said, "Oh that someone would give me water to drink from the well of Bethlehem which is by the gate!" 16So the three mighty men broke through the camp of the Philistines, and drew water from the well of Bethlehem which was by the gate, and took it and brought it to David. Nevertheless he would not drink it, but poured it out to the LORD; 17and he said, "Be it far from me, O LORD, that I should do this. Shall I drink the blood of the men who went in jeopardy of their lives?" Therefore he would not drink it. These things the three mighty men did.…
The same David poured out water in place of blood for the lives of the men who risked their lives to get the water. It is still for life. Life is sacred. Life is important not blood. Life of human beings is what is sacred not their blood.

WHAT A GREAT DUMB BLIND! I am still ROTF
(a) Shall I drink the blood of the men who went in jeopardy of their lives?" To you this statement shows that blood is not important but life. Why are you always in a double speak. Are you related to Donald J. T. Ah ah.
(b) So the water in this instance does NOT represent the blood that then represent the life?!
(c) So in this instance he should have taken the water, since his "life" is more important than the water? - INTODUCTION TO LOGIC. Come and see American Wonder, Come and see American Wonder, Come and see American Wonder, Come and see American Wonder.tralalala
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2. When you understand the conversation between Jesus and the pharisees you will know that there is something called life and life is important.

Alright sire
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So if you accept blood transfusion or support accepting it you will not make eternal life hmmmm this is the first time I am hearing of this abi it is only in your bible. So refusing blood transfusion is now a criteria for eternal life. LOL

Oh , I don't know about that, and as you rightly observed, the ancient physician knows nothing about blood transfusions, and I guess from your own earlier submissions, God did not remember to remind the apostles to prophesy Christian position with respect to blood transfusions and I sure never said the above except in reply to your abusive comments about choice of non-blood medical procedure over whole blood transfusions. But one thing I would tell you in EMMANUELLA's voice is to "use your head"
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I love your so called broad way. You sound angry, aggressive and frustrated. If your narrow way is full of people like you there will be so much hatred, wickedness, selfishness and sadness. SHAME SHAME SHAME
Hehehehehehehe , hehehehehehehehe , Hihihhihihihihihih , Hohohohohohohoho , Hahahahahahahah
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Jesus Christ healed someone on sabbath which was unlawful for people to do deal with the situation. And abstaining from blood transfusion isn't biblical. SHAME ON YOU
unlawful for people
Is it not the apostates, hypocrites, scribes who said it was unlawful in that instant?! If it is unlawful for people, is it also unlawful for the divine one? Is it also unlawful for our Savior? .
Teacher no teach me nonsense ooo. Jesus NEVER BROKE ANY LAW. But people like said he did back in the day and you will remain one of their offsprings if you continue to accuse the eternal father of sins. Leave their camp.

In Acts 15 it said abstain from blood and from fornication. I am aware that you people accept other fractions of blood e.g albumin, immunoglobulins, factor 9 concentrate etc. So if the bible told us to accept some fractions of blood what fractions of fornication are we to accept? #HYPOCRITES. LIAR LIAR
(a) So In Acts 15 it said abstain from blood and from fornication OK!

(b) While some Christians may drink albumin, immunoglobulins, factor 9 concentrate etc some choose to eat fat, bone marrow or even unbled meat (if their conscience allows). But as you noted "In Acts 15 it said abstain from blood and from fornication"

(c) I am just hearing for the first time that fornication and the law on blood are in fractions!
I'm off to researching the species of humans who can be described as spiritually blind bats.

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So this is how you instill fear in people. You tell them if they accept blood transfusion they will not make eternal life. SHAME ON YOU. I think JI the predecessor I don't even know what JI means though sounds like a happy, good and peaceful person, doesn't like the death of human beings, not judgemental, doesn't tell people if they accept blood transfusion they won't make eternal life. ThIS JI SOUNDS REALLY NICE
OH, OH! So hell fire does not instill fear in people. It is to choose non-blood medical management, praised and hailed by Christians, Moslems, Buddhists, atheists, doctors, chaplains-in-battle etc that instils fear in peolple who choose from the beginning to do that...
#SoCalledBroadWay please stay on that road because your heart has become like JI your predecessor!

Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah Witness Lady Dies After Refusing Transfusion During Childbirth (photo) by themallHunt: 7:17am On Feb 18, 2017

Hairyrapunzel:
It doesn't change the fact that Stephen did not kill himself other people killed. Dying from blood transfusion can't be likened to death of Stephen being stoned to death by unbelievers. When you die refusing blood transfusion a medical procedure you chose to kill yourself the doctors did not kill you. Stephen did not even have any option of running away don't say what the bible did not say. Stephen was spreading the gospel and he got stoned for it. During blood transfusion you are not spreading any gospel and nobody is stoning you to death. LIAR LIAR

Thank God you said abstinence from blood eating cos blood transfusion is not and will never be thesame as blood eating they are two different things entirely.

You have still not showed me where blood transfusion was mentioned in the bible.

Blood transfusion have saved so many lives by giving you time to treat the cause of the blood looss. It gives you time to address the situation at hand. Non blood alternatives have been used and is being used more often than blood transfusion. But when there is need for blood transfusion nothing takes its place.

Jesus Christ encouraged saving life. Why did he heal people? he would have told them to manage their illness and wait for eternal life. Since life is not important. Jesus healed someone on sabbath day which was unlawful to do on a sabbath. He would have chosen not to heal the person because he wanted to obey the law on sabbath but he healed the person because the person deserved a good life.

David ate consecrated bread which was unlawful to do because he was hungry. He would have chosen to die of hunger because he was obeying a law but he didn't he chose to live.

If Jesus and David broke mosaic laws and there was no problem because human beings were involved in the matter what stops you from trying to live longer.

Don't give me any explanation that the passage says we should do good on the Sabbath. Abi they did not do good things on sabbath day before then? I no that law was remember the sabbath day and keep it holy. Abi holy in this case is equivalent to doing bad things? Life is important here. Your life as an individual. So if I am hungry and there is only meat fat available I should not eat it or if I have a jaw surgery I should not shave my beard or I should not eat tendon or sinew of thigh of meat when am hungry or I should not cut my hair if I want to have a head surgery cos I want to obey the Mosaic laws right?

Life is what is important if it isn't to you then you believe what you want to believe. So People should refuse blood transfusion and die so their promise of eternal life will be sure. This is the biggest rip off I have ever seen in my entire life.

My own is abstaining from blood transfusion is not biblical. Show me the passage. I know you can never show me anything cos it's not there in the first place.
People should not kill themselves over a religious doctrine made in 1945.

S H A M E. S H A M E. S H A M E >>>>> S H A M E. S H A M E. S H A M E. The same David who you claim broke the mosaic law refused to drink the water of blood and I wonder if king David is a Christian for him to follow the new law of christ angry

Of course people like you continue to accuse our father eternal, Jesus Christ of breaking a sabbath law, just like your predecessors, the pharisees and the scribes and the Sadducees all H Y P O C R I T E S.

But how can a man who fails to comprehend a simple conversation between Jesus and the H Y PO C R I T E S about the sabbath, be able to reason the law on abstinence. H Y P O C R I T E. I hope you are 70 years old so that it can remain the biggest rip off you will ever see in your entire life.

#SoCalledBroadWay please stay on that road because your heart has become like JI your predecessor!

Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah Witness Lady Dies After Refusing Transfusion During Childbirth (photo) by themallHunt: 6:58am On Feb 18, 2017

Hairyrapunzel:
It doesn't change the fact that Stephen did not kill himself other people killed. Dying from blood transfusion can't be likened to death of Stephen being stoned to death by unbelievers. When you die refusing blood transfusion a medical procedure you chose to kill yourself the doctors did not kill you. Stephen did not even have any option of running away don't say what the bible did not say. Stephen was spreading the gospel and he got stoned for it. During blood transfusion you are not spreading any gospel and nobody is stoning you to death. LIAR LIAR

Thank God you said abstinence from blood eating cos blood transfusion is not and will never be thesame as blood eating they are two different things entirely.

You have still not showed me where blood transfusion was mentioned in the bible.

Blood transfusion have saved so many lives by giving you time to treat the cause of the blood looss. It gives you time to address the situation at hand. Non blood alternatives have been used and is being used more often than blood transfusion. But when there is need for blood transfusion nothing takes its place.

Jesus Christ encouraged saving life. Why did he heal people? he would have told them to manage their illness and wait for eternal life. Since life is not important. Jesus healed someone on sabbath day which was unlawful to do on a sabbath. He would have chosen not to heal the person because he wanted to obey the law on sabbath but he healed the person because the person deserved a good life.

David ate consecrated bread which was unlawful to do because he was hungry. He would have chosen to die of hunger because he was obeying a law but he didn't he chose to live.

If Jesus and David broke mosaic laws and there was no problem because human beings were involved in the matter what stops you from trying to live longer.

Don't give me any explanation that the passage says we should do good on the Sabbath. Abi they did not do good things on sabbath day before then? I no that law was remember the sabbath day and keep it holy. Abi holy in this case is equivalent to doing bad things? Life is important here. Your life as an individual. So if I am hungry and there is only meat fat available I should not eat it or if I have a jaw surgery I should not shave my beard or I should not eat tendon or sinew of thigh of meat when am hungry or I should not cut my hair if I want to have a head surgery cos I want to obey the Mosaic laws right?

Life is what is important if it isn't to you then you believe what you want to believe. So People should refuse blood transfusion and die so their promise of eternal life will be sure. This is the biggest rip off I have ever seen in my entire life.

My own is abstaining from blood transfusion is not biblical. Show me the passage. I know you can never show me anything cos it's not there in the first place.
People should not kill themselves over a religious doctrine made in 1945.

senseless argument in a circle? When will you learn that the mosaic law, including law on blood and law on fat have been fulfilled in Christ!!! huh

O M G! Take Sense. Why are you so hatefully blind? Any law that Christians obey must be based on ALL the law of Christ.

[b]But how can a man who fails to comprehend a simple conversation between Jesus and the H Y PO C R I T E S about the sabbath, be able to reason the law on abstinence[/b]How can he reason out the politics of bible translations and bible translators? H Y P O C R I T E. I hope you are 70 years old so that it can remain the biggest rip off you will ever see in your entire life. grin

Politics › Re: We Are No Longer Comfortable Being Part Of Nigeria - Igbo Leaders. by themallHunt: 7:53pm On Feb 17, 2017

GeneralAchuzia1:
something is brewing.
God bless Nwodo
Cc:Lasgidiowner

Because Asari's Dokubo brother lost the election. Mtchheeewww

Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah Witness Lady Dies After Refusing Transfusion During Childbirth (photo) by themallHunt: 6:45pm On Feb 17, 2017

[quote author=Hairyrapunzel post=53758529][/quote]See how your behind is being exposed. as I N C O N S I S T E N T

1. Show me where blood transfusion was mentioned in the bible?
2. So church of England is now equivalent to all churches in the world?
3. Always looking for a church to blame for your frustrations on?

And all the above are your arguments? grin

Stephen was stoned to death by other people he never stoned himself to death by himself
He had no choice to run away?! Is is not what people like you would advocate! How can a man who can not understand and interpret an ordinary argument between the hypocrites and Jesus about the sabbath, understand the 3 items above and the scriptural nature of abstinence from blood eating.
many gentiles of different religion who convert to christianity often will never knwo all these things things except a particular law is written for them every day of their life angry

European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Bayern Munich Vs Arsenal :UCL (5 - 1) On 15th February 2017 by themallHunt: 12:29am On Feb 16, 2017

Chiefobdk1:
Akant take this. Lawd

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European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Bayern Munich Vs Arsenal :UCL (5 - 1) On 15th February 2017 by themallHunt: 12:24am On Feb 16, 2017

Abeg wetin be the real scores oooo

Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah Witness Lady Dies After Refusing Transfusion During Childbirth (photo) by themallHunt: 12:14am On Feb 16, 2017

Hairyrapunzel:
Headline 1 from Pat Hagan for MailOnline dated 3 August 2010: "They are supposed to save lives, but could a blood transfusion give you a heart attack?"[/b]:
This says, recent studies suggest undergoing a blood transfusion during surgery subsequently increases the patient's risk of death - particularly from heart attacks or strokes - and of serious illnesses, such as septicaemia, pneumonia and cancer of the lymph glands.

The last line of this write up says Murphy says: 'Transfusion has saved countless lives and, in my opinion, remains one of the miracles of modern medicine.'

You should learn to read what you post don't just take headings. SHAME ON YOU.

You say between 2010 to 2016 just 3 people had adverse reaction and died in 6 years i even thought you will say millions of people
SHAME SHAME SHAME SHAME

Nobody ever said blood transfusion was 100% safe. But it is said that it can guarantee a good outcome. Erythropoietin and fluids have adverse effects. People who refuse blood transfusion die for nothing they probably would hAve being among the lager precent age alive and well but we never can tell because they chose to die instead or Who knows maybe they would have being among the smallet percentage that died from reaction. But still a large number gets to live.

Even if you died after receiving a transfusion at least you died and the blame is not on you. You made an effort to live. If you die refusing a blood transfusion which would have probably saved you then the blame is on you and it is religious sucide. Sucide bombers die for what they believe in and in their religion they are heroes. Same thing with people who die due to refusal of blood transfusion they die for what they believe in and in their religion they are heroes.

Don't put a medical procedure in bad light yes bad things can happen but is very rare. But there is a high possibiliy that they would have been alive if they accepted because it was really needed.
Even drugs can kill so y take them.

Abstaining from Blood transfusion isn't biblical ie it is not even mentioned in the bible. Blood is sacred and you obey all the laws do you still offer animal sacrifices to God? Did God say we should respect the animals blood in place of our life?

Our topic is if blood transfusion is biblical. Nothing concerns the biblical aspect and transfusion related reaction. Except they want to tell me they are changing their reason for refusing blood transfusion. If this is the case they are still dying for nothing.

If you say you want to obey then obey all mosaic laws don't obey one and leave the rest. Do not cherry pick. #Hypocrite
It is still considered sucide because you are killing yourself.
You don't kill yourself over a religious doctrine made in 1945 by human beings. GBAM.

Abstaining from Blood transfusion isn't biblical ie it is not even mentioned in the bible.[/b]Of course. This is the type of bibles that allow the church in England to allow homosexual cohabitation. Your bible are not what all will rely on. So you can see why someone like you will say [b]"Nothing concerns the biblical aspect and transfusion related reaction" The road is to life rooooommmmmmyyy and broad grin

Shameful statement "Sucide bombers die for what they believe in and in their religion they are heroes. Same thing with people who die due to refusal of blood transfusion they die for what they believe in and in their religion they are heroes." Stephen the evangelist will be labelled as above by people like you, until thankfully, the apostles wrote about him in a good light. H Y P O C R I T E

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Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah Witness Lady Dies After Refusing Transfusion During Childbirth (photo) by themallHunt: 12:00am On Feb 16, 2017

Hairyrapunzel:
Red cross

Every two seconds someone in the U.S. needs blood.
Approximately 36,000 units of red blood cells are needed every day.
Nearly 7,000 units of platelets and 10,000 units of plasma are needed daily in the U.S.
Nearly 21 million blood components are transfused each year in the U.S.
The average red blood cell transfusion is approximately 3 pints.
The blood type most often requested by hospitals is Type O.
The blood used in an emergency is already on the shelves before the event occurs.
It is estimated that sickle cell disease affects 90,000 to 100,000 people in the U.S. About 1,000 babies are born with the disease each year. Sickle cell patients can require frequent blood transfusions throughout their lives.
More than 1.68 million people are expected to be diagnosed with cancer in 2016. Many of them will need blood, sometimes daily during their chemotherapy treatment.
A single car accident victim can require as many as 100 pints of blood.

WHO

Fact 1: Blood transfusion saves lives and improves health
Around 108 million units of donated blood are collected globally every year. Nearly 50% of these blood donations are collected in high-income countries, home to less than 20% of the world’s population. Many patients requiring transfusion, however, do not have timely access to safe blood and blood products. Every country needs to ensure that supplies of blood and blood products are sufficient and free from HIV, hepatitis viruses and other infections that can be transmitted through transfusion.

CDC

Each day life-saving blood transfusions are needed in hospitals and emergency treatment facilities across the U.S.
There are more than 9.5 million blood donors in the United States and an estimated 5 million patients who receive blood annually, resulting in a total of 14.6 million transfusions per year.(Source: NBCUS, 2007 Adobe PDF file [PDF - 2.11 MB]External Web Site Icon)
Most patients do not experience any side effects from blood transfusions. On rare occasions, blood transfusions can cause adverse reactions in the patients receiving blood.
Although the U.S. blood supply is safer than ever before, some bacteria, viruses, prions, and parasites can be transmitted by blood transfusions.
Each donor is screened for risk of transmissible disease by questionnaire, and each unit of blood donated in the U.S. is routinely screened for various infectious disease pathogens, including five transfusion–transmitted viruses, using nine laboratory tests.

According to CDC The chance of having a reaction to a blood transfusion is very small.

FDA

October 1, 2009, through September 30, 2010 we received a total of 76 fatality reports. Of these reports, 71 were transfusion recipient fatalities and 5 were post-donation fatalities.
Of the 71 transfusion recipient fatality reports, we concluded:
40 of the fatalities were transfusion-related,
24 of the fatalities were cases that transfusion could not be ruled out as the cause of the fatality,
7 of the fatalities were unrelated to the transfusion

You mean I'm still overestimating your intelligence! You can't interpret your own statistics!!! You can't tell the difference between the back-argument in reply to your assertions about whole blood takers and blood non-takers. huh

We know that blood has always come to the aid of many patients around the world especially in terms of quantity needed such as for soldiers in a war.
Your materialists ideology refuses to agree with the respect for scripture directing Christians on the continuation on blood saintliness. All your hatred is wired towards materialism. S H A M E. First you are a doctor now you are a statistician interpreting ANOVA. Anything to win the argument. L I A R. L I A R

Since the 1940's, how many PubicHPunzels/Christians have died due to the half knowledge, recklessness, mistakes, failure and blood myths by the hospitals for those who accept and for those who refuse. Mtchewwww. With improved technology has both sides not benefited on MEDICAL GROUNDS. angry

My point being no one (ignorant or misinformed or over-informed or simply informed) should play-the-ostrich that those dead souls would have been worse off if they chose on medical grounds to insist on NO BLOOD and still died. However, an ostrich man would start convolution, if it is reported that the reason of death was as a result of NOT accepting a transfusion on religious grounds. S H A M E

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