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Truthseeker10:
So everyone is equal in the church?

Heb 13 v 7

Krismas:
If senior pastor give, what is Ibiyeomie's concern? Does he know more than all senior pastors giving?
I reject his admonition as fake and self-serving

His concern is that your continuous receiving makes you a life begger.

Go for the blessing by sacrificing your temporary desire to collect and buy one or two... Elisha became Elisha by sacrificing temporary benefits


Another wanted immediate gratification and ended a leper and a wretch

Krismas:
I just showed u, church members blessing two apostles. So, what rubbish does, less is blessed by greater mean?
Who told u the less cannot bless the greater? something like John Baptist baptizing Jesus?
As for Paul, he sponsored the barbing and ceremonial materials for 3church members. Ibiyeomen is saying the church members, should rather have paid for Paul, instead of the other way around. So Ibiyeomen lied, senior pastors can give money to members.
Its part of blessing such members

The less cannot bless the greater because he doesn't have it



You cannot impart what you don't carry... The blessing is not money, it is not bread.. It is a spirit.....


You must entreat it from the carrier

bixton:
There's an exception to that of the Catholic Church. Because that in itself is a title they bear unlike the Pentecostal Churches.

Jesus Christ said call no man Father, Mother, or Teacher, or Holy. For only God should be called such.
I am not against such name calling but when it seems like it's a demand from the followers by the Ministers then there's a problem. But I understand many of such practice are just religious practice.


I find it really disinteresting that just because something is in the Old Testament means there should be continuation of it in the era we fnd ourselves even when Jesus Christ spoke against it.




The boldeds
I literally don't intend to talk about such because one can't tell the difference between that of a believer and unbeliever when one can't really differentiate a born again Christian believer from the people of the world who have learnt the language of the Church.

And you are deliberating deviating from the main subject topic and saying something else.

But the same bible says.. Honour your father and your mother in the same new testament



Please check why Jesus said what he said.... The popoe of the Catholic Church combines father and holy to become HOLY FATHER AND IT IS A DEMAND because you cannot write a letter to him without one of those prefix neither can you meet him and call him Mr. John Paul..




What jesus was saying is don't take the worship of God and bestow same on a man... Father is not the issue but what is in thy heart... Is in in worship or in honour as a title to someone playing that role in your life by way of feeding you with the real meat of the word

ADAMUdaCOWBOY:
What exactly were you trying to say when you said "Feeding and blessing is not the same


Blessing means spiritual empowerment to succeed


Feeding us temporary nourishment.i5 is needed again and again"
Ibiyeomie was talking about money, which one is blessing again?

Okay


Blessing is a spirit. It is invisible

Created by words

The words I speak to you are spirits and they are life


Feeding is a momentary intervention....

The person feeding you is the one with the blessing and manifesting it by giving you

Truthseeker10:
So who is to give me the blessings in Genesis 27:30-41, my father or a pastor?

People who are poor today, is it because their father did not bless them according to what is recorded in Genesis 27:30-41?

It is the soul that bleeses hence you must do something to make the soul merry.... That is what he said.... That my soul may bless thee



A merry heart doeth good



When we you give your parents something and they sigh and begin to pour it in you, you have receives it


Note of caution.... It doesn't exempt you from suffering... Every knew level shad a new devil devil


Jacob didn't walk away from his father's presence to became Israel... He went though a lot but the blessing kept speaking!



Before you is opened a great and effextual door by the blessing and there are many adversaries not but there are many adversaries meaning all great doors to anyone anywhere has adversaries to conquer as part and parcel of it


.. As soon as the door is opened adversaries are there



Therefore how to overcome them is the next education



Remember what you are looking to get out of life is in darkness and what you have been given is "seed light" ... Add to it and it becomes a fire.. Pillar of fire

Babaibeji2020:
Reading through all your responses....you are sounding very stewpid and foooooolish by the second.
His church is my worship center though I've stopped going there because of most of his financial narratives....
He's talking carelessly of late.
What is wrong with giving? Isn't is said that givers don't lack? Why is he turning the narrative just to suit his interests....?
Late TB Joshua gave to the down trodden in the society. Dont support stupidity because one bros claims to be God's relative....we were all made in His image, hence we can function without most of these pulpit bandits....stop sounding ridiculous......

Did he know you stopped attending his church?


We are discussing how spirits that follows a person for life is created not handouts

capnies:
IS GIVING MONEY TO A NEEDY CHURCH MEMBER NOT A BLESSING

STOP TWISTING THE BIBLE
ONLY GOD BLESSES DIVINELY
IBIYIOMEI HAS NOTHING SPIRITUALLY
HE IS 100% CARNAL I REPEAT IBIYIOMEI IS 100% CARNAL

You have judged so wait to be judged.... He is 100% carnal... You will very soon be asked for your proofs by the conditions of this life.

ADAMUdaCOWBOY:
Was Ibiyeomie talking of blessing? The guy was clearly talking about money which is a material thing like food. Jesus never said a preacher cannot give to his followers, none of the disciples said that, can you quote any scripture that either said or implied that?

What exactly are trying to state?

gohf:
Jesus gave bread and fish and not blessing and you that is wise because you want to agree with a thief who says don't collect from your senior pastors, so they should not collect even blessings from them.

In your wisdom which is not from above Abraham paid Melchizedek so that he could receive extra blessings because the Melchizedek in Genesis ALREADY BLESSED ABRAHAM, but you here are saying, or lying that Abraham gave Melchizedek spoils to receive blessings
Thank God you said spoils and not goods from his house.


But the person that needs money should not receive from his pastor who has more money? Continue deceiving yourself and others, everybody will account for their words and actions.

Abrsham was already blessed not with the blessing.



Blessing is different from having material possession


It is your escort spirit through life that is created by the blessing

Blessing is word created

Osashalom:
Wow...... Thank God we have deep Christians here. Who still refuse to understand after this your Spirit inspired comment should be ignored. Case closed

Thank you, Sir

bukkani:
Assholes spotted ..I know they will find something to back the shit saying up .. deluded people

Blessing is not free.. Live with this truth, forever


Solomon attracted the blessing on his life by sacrifice not wishing




If you have any sensible contradictory reference from the bible state it




Foolishness is arguing against facts using assumptions and conjectures


Go to your bible, return and tell me that this person did nothing to be blessed... That is how you know that you have conviction



How did Abraham become the father of many nations?

Sacrifice of isaac that was aborted caused God to pronounce the blessing

bixton:
You are taking a version of the Bible and interpreting it the way you like.

That which you're saying stems from the bessing of a father to his son. Which every father is expected to do to their children.

It has nothing to do regarding a Pastor and his follower or mentee. That is not what it says there.

The Pastor cannot play the role of a father but a father can play the role of a pastor over his biological children and that is exactly what happened in that which you're describing.


Now, apart from where Scripture talked about the greater blessing the lesser which occured between Melchizedek the King of Salem and Abraham. We can't truly say that blessing was in material things because Abraham was already wealthy and that was the reason why he refused to take from the spoils of war except that 10% he gave to the Prince of Salem. Abraham's men took their portion from the spoils of war as tradition demands then in times of war.
Also note that one of the reasons Melchizedek the King of Salem was mentioned was to let us know before hand that at a particular time, the order of the levitical priesthood will cease to exist and a new order of priests will be called who are not of the house of Levites.


Now, this is what Scripture days as it concerns material things...

Deut.28.12 - The LORD will open to you His good treasure, the heavens, to give the rain to your land in its season, and to bless all the work of your hand. You shall lend to many nations, but you shall not borrow.


Deut.8.18 - "And you shall remember the LORD your God, for it is He who gives you power to get wealth, that He may establish His covenant which He swore to your fathers, as it is this day.

Now, the bolded in the above verses talks about the blessing of material wealth.


Spiritual blessing is completely different from material blessing. Spiritual blessing entails so many things and in some instances it's specific and in accordance to the words of the one who is blessing you.

So, catholics should stop calling their pastors Father.


And Elisha that called Elijah father is wrong.



Blessing is different from being blessed with material possessions.... Possession is a manifestation of the blessing... It is just a proof that you are walking in the blessing


What is the blessing


Spirits that are created by words to follow a person. The same as curse.


The words that I speak to you they are spirit and they are life.


Blessing is not a car or money.. It is a spirit with a mission in your life

Truthseeker10:
So who is the greater in the church today?

Unintelligent questions like those of the Pharisees


Please, ask me intelligent questions, I'm trying to reply over 17 mentions

Truthseeker10:
In what format is the success measured?

Genesis 27:30-41.



1. Power:



2. Possessions:




3. Place:


4. Posterity


5. God's power:

Krismas:
U are the one assuming all along.
This is what the crux of d matter is,'Speaking in a recent sermon, Ibiyeomie stressed that receiving money from senior men of God is unscriptural and can actually hinder one’s blessings. Instead, he advised that sowing into the lives of spiritual leaders attracts divine favor and unlocks greater prosperity.

If RECEIVING MONEY FROM SENIOR MEN OF GOD was wrong, then why will senior men of god do such to begin with?
Why will they do what is wrong by giving money?
Abi, can u RECEIVE wot is not GIVEN?
Stick to the point this time and stop ur fake ITK

What exactly is your point. Somebody is admonishing you that this is wrong and you are asking why then should the senior pastor give?


He says don't take from them. Let your eye not be in your senior parties pocket. If it has been there, remove it

Krismas:
Acts 21:24
New International Version
Take these men, join in their purification rites and pay their expenses , so that they can have their heads shaved. Then everyone will know there is no truth in these reports about you, but that you yourself are living in obedience to the law.

Paul paid money for some church members.

Acts 13:1-3
Now in the church at Antioch there were prophets and teachers: Barnabas, Simeon called Niger, Lucius of Cyrene, Manaen (who had been brought up with Herod the tetrarch) and Saul. 2 While they were worshiping the Lord and fasting, the Holy Spirit said, “Set apart for me Barnabas and Saul for the work to which I have called them.” 3 So after they had fasted and prayed, they placed their hands on them and sent them off.



Church members laid hands on Paul

Una own Christianity strong pass bible own

Your cognitive support system is very faulty.


The subject matter before you is not about paying for something for somebody


Jesus paid taxes for himself and his Disciples.. That is not what is before you


Taking from them for sustenance, making it a point of duty to go and get from your senior pastor doesn't help your destiny.



The less is blessed by the greater... Heb 7 v 7


If you are going anywhere in life ensure you don't depend on your senior pastors for life support.

Babaibeji2020:
Brainwashed buffoon...........
One of your kids will certainly look like you Dada G.o at the way your Stewpidity is brewing.........
Men are using you to make money while you are here trying to defend what make you confirm your daft level.......
I'll soon open my ministry to fleece idiotas like you......

Rather than provide a single bible based response you go round and round and ends making claims that a 100 years added to your present life you won't be able to fulfil


A foolish person like you cannot handle a microphone in front of a 100 person. The only reason you are bold now is the cover that nairaland gives to your kind






Gave you held a working microphone before?


Do you have a message that can keep educated person down for 5 minutes?

ThothHermes:
Melchizedek blessed Abraham first before he gave him his tithe.

It is not what is the issue but who blessed and who gave?

Who recognises the other as being superior to himself... Anybody that prays for you is your superior.. Not intrcessory prayer but impartation of the blessing prayer

Krismas:
Gibberish.
I cannot even make a single sense from ur rant above
In ur bid to justify an absurd LIE by Ibieyome, ur becoming more and more clownish

Oga, state with biblical facts what you belive to be the correct position on his statement


Assumption is the slowest form of knowledge... Don't assume.. Just give fact based contribution

Krismas:
So, what Ibieyome is saying in simple terms is, DON'T COLLECT FEEDING FROM SENIOR PASTOR, no matter how hungry u are. Or u will not be blessed.

Collect money for interventions but for blessing die than collect from then


The Bible says that even the one you have will be collected from you... Don't allowanyone collect your destiny using money or half bags of rice and semo


It is not in the entire bible unless you can provide me with one I have not noted before

Babaibeji2020:
Reading through all your responses....you are sounding very stewpid and foooooolish by the second.
His church is my worship center though I've stopped going there because of most of his financial narratives....
He's talking carelessly of late.
What is wrong with giving? Isn't is said that givers don't lack? Why is he turning the narrative just to suit his interests....?
Late TB Joshua gave to the down trodden in the society. Dont support stupidity because one bros claims to be God's relative....we were all made in His image, hence we can function without most of these pulpit bandits....stop sounding ridiculous......

After reading all my contributions you ended up making a silly reference.. I expect something new not the same old examples


TV Joshua gave bread not blessing


Please don't repaet foolsines on the topic again... More foolish contributions came in and was responded to

Don't go and bring another foolish reference jus to sound different


There is a difference between blessing and miracle or intervention that don't solve your real challenges

Mervingreat:
So ibiyieme now your father?

Fools despise wisdom


Have a wonderful day

capnies:
IS GIVING MONEY TO A NEEDY CHURCH MEMBER NOT A BLESSING

STOP TWISTING THE BIBLE
ONLY GOD BLESSES DIVINELY
IBIYIOMEI HAS NOTHING SPIRITUALLY
HE IS 100% CARNAL I REPEAT IBIYIOMEI IS 100% CARNAL

You that gave us blessed not the one that receive


Even Lucky Dube with marijuana in his head knows that ..blessed he that giveth than the one that taketh

[quote author=capnies post=133917258][/quote]The person that is blessed when you give to the less privileged is the giver not the receiver


That is why Jesus didn't return the widows mite
..that would have denied her the much-needed blessing


The same thing with the widow of Zarapth who told Elijah that she would die if she gave her last food to him but he insisted



The less is blessed by the greater

gohf:
you that have sense should you not first ask yourself was Jesus cursing 5,000 people when he gave them bread and fish.

Was Melchizedek cursing Abraham when he brought him bread and wine. You are here writing Melchizedek did not give Abraham.

You have sense and your sense is for attacking others, you don't know the spirit that is in you

Fools reject wisdom


Jesus gave the multitude bread and fish not not Blessing



Abraham gave Melchizedek spoils to receive blessings


The less, who needs the blessing , is blessed by the greater who possess the blessing


Empowerment to succeed is what blessing is

ADAMUdaCOWBOY:
So? But he fed them and Jesus will never give anyone a gift that will make them poor. You people should start using your brains.

Feeding and blessing is not the same


Blessing means spiritual empowerment to succeed


Feeding us temporary nourishment.i5 is needed again and again


Jesus fed them and they returned again for bread because they were hungry again



Blessing is not free even in our tradition... For your own father to proclaim blessing on you you must come with something, called venison

Dogalmighty17:
Ibiyeome should rest from this matter. Doctrines that have no basis in scripture are what he teaches all this time.

How is this a doctrine or scripture

ADAMUdaCOWBOY:
But daddy, Jesus fed the hungry🤣🤣🤣
These tithe mongers will burn the bible to secure their empire! - Abel Damina

That is not same as securing the blessing that makes rich


He fed them but they returned again and he told them that they have come for bread but today ..no bread and some left

gohf:
So Abraham that gave the greater Melchizedek was not blessed?!

Another false anointed one, this one has usually said lies in the name of God so not surprised it's about money. All of them don't run churches but a den of the thieves

Sense is your problem....


But you must be helped


Abraham gave to the greater...the less is blessed by the greater...Heb 7 v 7



It was not Melchizedek that gave Abraham


That is what he is saying

judewrites:
Sir, I seriously respect your anointing but this your opinion isn't scriptural o.

As ministers of the gospel we should be wary of pride, it's a very subtle sin.

Give the version that is scriptural