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@TQFS

OMG! is right!

Someone once warned that taking a text out of context will only leave room for pretext.

@ theteacher, well said.

But let me just point out here that the difference between Daddy G.O and us is that we do not have a congregation. Leadership by example is what should be, thats why not everyone gets the calling to pastor. If he got the calling as he so claims, then he should know better. Uneasy lies the head that wears the crown.

Dear Hesperus,
What if, for the sake of argument, He doesn't know better?

What if this difference which you speak of is one that we ourselves make up; holding people to standards they do not even measure themselves by?

The point I was trying to make is that we are not as harsh at criticizing ourselves as we are at criticizing others.

We let ourselves off easy when we falter; but tend to scream "off with their heads!" when it's someone else.

When we sin, "it's part of being human", when others sin, "it is an outrage!"

Such situations as this by Adeboye should cause us to introspect, not pass judgements we are hardly qualified to render.

P.S. He doesn't wear a crown; at least not yet! lol

@all

You know its really interesting reading the reactions to this new acquisition by the RCCG.

I am particularly intrigued by our disgust, because it is, as far as I see, an addmission on our part of an ideal that is apparently beyond the subject matter's ability to attain (thus the failure on "his' part to measure up)

While this purchase has sealed Adeboye's fate as "one of us"; as one who is not as transcendent as we had "hoped"; as one who may have taken us for a ride-since he had made us believe that he is beyond flaw; as one who is, afterall just "a man", I think it would make sense for us to look inward and ask ourselves, "what would we do if we were adeboye?"

If we were to take this case before Jesus, would he not also ask those of us "without sin to cast the first stone?".

Are we really better off than this man who as some say "ignores" poor parishioners only to recline in the lap of luxury?

Social activism is great; but social activism is greatest when we examine our "internal society"- our personal struggle with sin, with always coming short when we are needed to stand tall etc.

the point I am trying to make is that as much as it is fun to point out the shortcomings of others and in this case Adeboye's, it is important to know that sometimes "WE ARE WHAT IS WRONG WITH THE WORLD" so CHANGE MUST BEGIN WITH US.

It is incredible that some people will steep to new lows to mine credibility.

What on earth do these "prophesies' mean?

I cannot believe these were actually said. it's almost like they are made up to discredit a "Man of God"

Please someone tell me no one actually seriously considered these as "prophesies"

[quote][/quote]PROPHECY FOR INDIVIDUAL

1. The Year will be a pleasant year for heaven seekers
2. It will not be a very pleasant year for the Lukewarm and Backsliders
3. For Heaven Seekers, there will be accelerated promotion as a result of divine Guidance and Involvement
4. Rewards for dedication and commitment to God's work will be in the form of Blessings that will exceed all human imaginations
5. For some there will be unexpected dramatic promotions both Physically and especially Spiritually
6. Some will experience a complete change in Direction and destiny
7. For some, there will be incidence of great Joy and celebrations

Dear SirJohn/ Kunle,

You guys are obviously on to something with regards to tithing.

It is true that there is really no scriptural support for the tithing system as presently constituted especially in the light of the abolition (by God) of the Aaronic Priesthood for which the tithe system was set up to support.

But be wary of what knowledge can do to a man. It is easy to get "puffed up" and miss the point that God is not out to mock those who pay tithes but to lovingly show them that He loves them regardless of their position on the matter.

While it is true that some unscrupulous "pastors' fleece their flock to get whatever they can, others still are "mistakenly" convinced that tithing is God's will and out of a genuine heart lead people to obey "God's injunction".

I know that the notion of a tithe collecting God keeps a number of folks from experiencing God fully (since they are restrained in their minds from boldly making their petitions known) but I believe that God will, in His time, set them free.

Besides, don't you think that anyone who insists on tithing after such glaring evidence to the contrary has bigger issues to deal with than tithing?

Don't you also think that such a person will be more obstinate when your presentation of the truth seem to mock their belief?

Arguments hardly win any one over, and mockery will drive them further away; no body wants to be called a fool or be told that his pastor is a thief.

As far as I know, the real problem is not tithing; the real issue is that people seem to believe that there must be a catch to salvation and its benefits as nothing ever goes for nothing.

and nothing can be further from the truth

Wow! I have read with interest the posts by various contributors to this debate about the veracity or otherwise of the bible and i come away deeply moved by the passion expressed by either side of the debating divide.

It seems to me that there is no attempt at convincing anybody; and that the goal is to air our opinions as forcefully as possible (maybe in the hope that the "force" of our argument will generate conversion)- I strongly doubt that possibility though!

What is really at stake here?

Will our arguments confer any form of authenticity or otherwise on the bible?

These "contradictions", are they freshly discovered?

If no, has it stemmed the tide of belief in the God of the Bible or in Jesus the Christ of God?

The interesting thing is that even the Jews who initiated the claim that the Scriptures were divinely inspired could not bring themselves to believe that Jesus was the messiah (talked about in the scriptures) and plotted to have him killed (if only to shut him up).

As for the contributor (who called the crucifixion a hoax), let me assure you that within the context of history, the death of Jesus was a political expediency (for the Sanhedrin) and not a plot to fulfil prophecy (at least from the point of view of the Sanhedrin).

The denial of the ressurection was also attempted by the same Sanhedrin, for the same political expediency (but was jettisoned because of the lack of credible witnesses).

As I read through the arguments, I realised that more than the contradictions of the bible is at stake.

Contributors argue for the superiority of their religious choices if only to show themselves custodians of the "true religion'.

Ego, not matters of faith or belief, seem to be the fuel of the debate; so that it is not uncommon to read posts describing the opposition as fools or propounders of drivel.

Even the topic of discussion exposed the bias and agenda of the initiator.

Having aired my observations, I would like to leave it at this with one food for thought

"Jesus alluded to the fact that it is possible to search the scriptures (Diligently!) and still miss the whole point. (See John 5:39)"