Politics › Re: Nasir El-Rufai's Post About Obi (Throwback) by ThunderfireNLMO: 10:54am On Jul 20, 2025 |
ElevationD: See, politics is arithmetics, calculations and insight. Do not base your thoughts on sentiments or what you simply see, or rumours.
When people said before 2023 that Obi did not have structures, he said the people were his structure. He showed what it meant at the polling booths with over 6 million votes. When Tinubu famously said “Obi is is boy”, he realized his folly with his comprehensive defeat in Lagos state and Buhari’s defeat in Abuja by Obi.
You make the mistake of looking at the capacity of Atiku to secure the ticket and compare it with the feeling of the citizens on the streets. At least Obi’s birthday yesterday showed the whole world what’s happening in the minds of the people. While Reno Omokri focused on Obi not been present at Buhari’s burial, he overlooked Kwakwanso and the rest who were not present. Obi is the national topic and not Atiku. For a resounding victory, permutations are made. Securing Governors and NASS members into APC is irrelevant. The issue is the citizens who are tired of hunger in their homes. Whoever deputizes is not the issue. The issue is credibility and the belief of the people. Tinubu may have state resources, but he can be defeated easily. If he defeated the incumbent GEJ, what makes him immune to defeat in 2027? By the way, what makes you think that APC has not been making offers to him to keep him quiet? Sincerely, I get your point very clearly and we are in the same boat who have a common enemy (Tinubu). My priority is to wrestle power from Tinubu-led APC, I'm only seeking for a better solution. If Obi were to run under ADC, I'll prefer El-Rufai to deputise him. El-Rufai is a big-wig politician in the North. And the best thing that will happen is for Atiku not to run at all. What do you think? |
Politics › Re: Nasir El-Rufai's Post About Obi (Throwback) by ThunderfireNLMO: 7:46am On Jul 20, 2025 |
ElevationD: Sorry but you have miscalculated. None of them is working for Tinubu, including Atiku. The only man who will inadvertently make Tinubu retain power in 2027 is Atiku himself. If he gets the Presidential ticket in ADC, then we can safely say goodbye to them until another northerner emerges in 2031. Atiku cannot defeat Tinubu alone and Obi will contest in 2027. Simply all should tell Atiku to put an end to his ambition. I support Obi ooo sincerely speaking but Obi is not a strong contender when it comes to facing Tinubu squarely, Tinubu will use all the machinery at his disposal to fight dirty to the end. Tinubu is an evil genius and Obi is not someone that can wrestle power from Tinubu at the moment looking at the current Nigeria terrain. To me, it's only Atiku that can challenge Tinubu and Tinubu knows this. To destroy Tinubu and APC hegemony in Nigeria, the combo of Obi deputising Atiku is a threat to APC. You know the northerners will always be loyal to their own person. Now, there is a rumour that it's likely that Shettima will be dropped and Kwankwaso may deputise Tinubu. Are you seeing what I'm seeing? This is politics, a game of numbers not emotions. We need to be logical and count the cost. What do you think? |
Politics › Re: Obidients In Abia Beg Atiku To Step Down For Peter Obi by ThunderfireNLMO: 7:35am On Jul 20, 2025 |
Nemere2020: https://www.vanguardngr.com/2025/07/step-aside-for-obi-in-2027-obidents-beg-atiku-in-abia-rally/ Truth be told. I support Obi and detest anything call Tinubu. Realistic speaking and talking from experience, Obi can never beat Tinubu in a fair poll. The North and the core north will rather vote for Tinubu than vote for Obi, or they will rather not vote at all. If Obi want to save Nigeria from the calamitous government of the day, he should deputise Atiku. It is only Atiku, a big-weight politician that can wrestle power from Tinubu at the moment. And if Obi fail to deputise Atiku, then it surely means Obi is Tinubu's mole. Let's stop using emotion when it comes to politics, let be logical. People are tired of APC government. Tinubu has lower the bar of performance when it comes to governance. He has nothing to offer. Just manipulation here and there, window-dressing, corruption, prebendalism, nepotism, sharing of palliative, nothing more. No fresh ideas, just the same, just the same, nothing changes. |
Politics › Re: 18 Incumbent Governors Under Probe, Says EFCC Chairman by ThunderfireNLMO: 7:24am On Jul 20, 2025 |
esnbrutality: Because of the political TIDE swinging in the favor of the coalition, TINUBU wants to use EFCC to checkmate anyone that is contemplating joining the coalition.
Truly TINUBU is desperate and afraid for 2027.
Truly Afraid  Exactly my point💯 |
Politics › Re: 18 Incumbent Governors Under Probe, Says EFCC Chairman by ThunderfireNLMO: 7:21am On Jul 20, 2025 |
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Politics › Re: ADC Constitution Disqualifies Peter Obi From 2027 Presidential Race by ThunderfireNLMO: 10:27pm On Jul 19, 2025 |
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Politics › Re: Nasir El-Rufai's Post About Obi (Throwback) by ThunderfireNLMO: 10:18pm On Jul 19, 2025 |
SmartPolician: This issue has long been addressed and the two gentlemen involved have reconciled. Sending Escobar to Iragbiji in 2027 is a task the two gentlemen have agreed to successfully execute The same two guys (Obi and El-Rufai) are codedly working for Tinubu to scuttle Atiku chances at presidency. |
Properties › Re: Eko Atlantic Land Hits N2bn Per Plot – Report by ThunderfireNLMO: 10:14pm On Jul 19, 2025 |
Overhyped land price. Disadvantage of a capitalist society. Man is the only creature on earth paying for rent to live on earth given freely by Nature. |
Islam › Re: Who Owns The Child Born Before Islamic Marriage (Zina)? by ThunderfireNLMO: 1:29pm On Jul 19, 2025 |
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Title: Who Owns the Child Born Before Islamic Marriage.
Introduction
This article explains what Islam says about a child born before marriage (from zina). It answers in simple words: Who owns the child? Who should care for the child? What are the rules? What do the scholars and the four Imams say? What does the Qur’an and Hadith teach us?
1. Is the Child Guilty?
No. Islam teaches that the child is innocent. The child is not to be blamed for what the parents did.
“No soul bears the burden of another.” — Surah Al-An’am 6:164
2. Who Owns the Child?
🔹If a child is born before Nikah, the child belongs to the mother only.
🔹The father cannot claim the child in Islamic law.
🔹The child takes the mother’s name, not the father’s.
This is the view of all four major schools of Islamic law.
The Prophet ﷺ said: “The child belongs to the bed (i.e. legal marriage), and for the adulterer is nothing.” — Sahih al-Bukhari, 2053; Muslim, 1457
So, unless the child is born during a valid marriage, the father has no legal claim to the child.
3. Who Performs the Aqeeqah?
🔸The mother’s family should perform the aqeeqah (the Islamic naming and sacrifice).
🔸If they are unable, any Muslim relative or community member can do it as a good deed.
🔸The biological father has no religious duty to perform aqeeqah unless he repents and chooses to help.
4. Who Takes Care of the Child?
Since the child belongs only to the mother, the mother is responsible for:
▪️Feeding the child
▪️Clothing the child
▪️Sheltering the child
▪️Educating the child
▪️Caring for all the needs of the child
If the mother is unable, her family or the Muslim community can help. The biological father is not legally responsible in Islamic law but is encouraged to support the child if he repents and fears Allah.
5. Can the Child Be Adopted?
Yes, the child may be cared for by someone else, but:
🔹The child must not be given the name of the adoptive family or the biological father.
🔹The child’s lineage remains with the mother.
6. Inheritance
🔸The child cannot inherit from the biological father.
🔸The child may inherit only from the mother and her family.
🔸Likewise, the father cannot inherit from this child.
However, the father may give gifts or a will (wasiyyah) to the child before his death (up to 1/3 of his estate), if he wants to show kindness.
7. Punishment for the Sin (Zina)
If two people have a child before marriage, it means they committed zina, which is a major sin in Islam.
The punishment:
▪️100 lashes for unmarried persons — Surah An-Nur 24:2
▪️Stoning to death for those who were married — Sahih Muslim
These are only carried out under an Islamic court with proper evidence or confession. If not proven, the person must repent to Allah sincerely.
8. Statements of the Four Imams
✅ Imam Abu Hanifah (Hanafi):
🔹Child born from zina belongs to the mother only.
🔹The man cannot claim the child.
> Bada’i al-Sana’i, Vol. 7, p. 327
✅ Imam Malik (Maliki):
🔸Child is linked to the mother.
🔸No naming or inheritance from the father.
> Al-Mudawwanah, Vol. 2
✅ Imam al-Shafi’i (Shafi’i):
▪️No legal link to the father.
▪️Child takes the mother’s name.
> Al-Umm, Vol. 5, p. 51
✅ Imam Ahmad (Hanbali):
🔹Child of zina belongs to the mother.
🔹No legal fatherhood, name, or inheritance.
> Al-Mughni by Ibn Qudamah, Vol. 9, p. 124
9. Statements of Salafi Scholars
✅ Shaykh Ibn Baz رحمه الله:
"A child from zina belongs to the mother, not the adulterer. He cannot be attributed to him."
✅ Shaykh Ibn Uthaymeen رحمه الله:
"The child born from zina is not linked to the man who committed zina unless he was married to the mother at the time."
✅ Shaykh Salih al-Fawzan حفظه الله:
"The child is not to be named after the man. There is no inheritance. Responsibility falls on the mother."
10. What Should the Parents Do?
Repent sincerely to Allah.
🔸Stop the sin and avoid repeating it.
🔸Make a proper Islamic marriage (Nikah) if they wish to be together.
🔸Start a new life on Taqwa (fear of Allah).
“O my slaves who have transgressed, do not despair of the mercy of Allah...” — Surah Az-Zumar 39:53
Summary Table
Final Advice
Dear Muslim brothers and sisters,
° Respect Islamic marriage laws.
° Do not delay Nikah if both are ready.
° Teach your children about zina and its danger.
If you made a mistake, repent — Allah is Merciful.
Allah loves those who turn back to Him in repentance.
> May Allah guide us to what pleases Him.
Assuming an Hausa Muslim lady got impregnated by someone from another tribe who is a Christian. What does the Islamic law say about this? Is the 100 lashes still applicable to the Muslim lady assuming the guy jet off? |
Islam › Re: The Death Of Buhari: A Lesson For The Living by ThunderfireNLMO: 4:36pm On Jul 18, 2025 |
3kay945: Hope you consider negative impact his post would have on the youngsters here. A thief or yahoo guy can simply capitalised on that ideology.
He might looks like that but the existence of good governance protect hardworking and smart individuals.
Such idea shouldn't be propagated, it only breed anarchy and jungle rule.
We are human beings with recognised classes or status. You also have a point. You may be right as well. Your opinion is also shaped by your surroundings and personal experience as well. Like you said, his ideas shouldn't be propagated; that I can not tell. Let everyone do what he thinks is right. I'm not a moral police. There is beauty in diversity. |
Politics › Re: Subject Subject by ThunderfireNLMO(op): 3:35pm On Jul 18, 2025*. Modified: 5:40am On Jul 25, 2025 |
jmoore: Your first post was on 2024. Election was held in 2023.
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Politics › Re: Subject Subject by ThunderfireNLMO(op): 3:32pm On Jul 18, 2025*. Modified: 5:40am On Jul 25, 2025 |
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Islam › Re: The Death Of Buhari: A Lesson For The Living by ThunderfireNLMO: 3:19pm On Jul 18, 2025 |
3kay945: Don't mind the dude, maybe he is half educated.  He's not. What he put up there only tell me more about his person, and ideology. He may be right. I can't blame him. A lot of us are being shaped by our personal experience, people's experience, our surroundings, observation. He has a point though. |
Politics › Re: Subject Subject by ThunderfireNLMO(op): 1:48pm On Jul 18, 2025*. Modified: 5:39am On Jul 25, 2025 |
LagosOrigin: You've gone back to your drinking ways abi?
Ever since peter obi defeated all of you including your jagabandit and that lagos, you guys are yet to recover from the shock. 40 more characters needed 18 more characters needed |
Islam › Re: The Death Of Buhari: A Lesson For The Living by ThunderfireNLMO: 1:44pm On Jul 18, 2025 |
CoronaVirusPro: It’s not a mentality or moral grounding. It is the reality that religion has overshadowed.
Every living thing on Earth is built for survival. As humans, we don’t hunt, we feed on the weak. I'm not blaming you. I will never do. I'm not even religious. Your statement really shows your person, your ideology and what you stand for. By the way, I get your point — you have to eat or be eaten. Kó to jẹ́ ènìyàn, o gbọ́dọ̀ jẹ ènìyàn (before you become somebody, you must have eaten somebody kind of ideology). |
Islam › Re: Who Owns The Child Born Before Islamic Marriage (Zina)? by ThunderfireNLMO: 1:32pm On Jul 18, 2025 |
Thank you for this topic. Not a Muslim though, but this topic help my research on a script I'm presently working on. Thank you. |
Islam › Re: The Death Of Buhari: A Lesson For The Living by ThunderfireNLMO: 1:28pm On Jul 18, 2025 |
CoronaVirusPro: It’s an animal kingdom and religion only blindfolded many.
As humans, just like animals, we are bound to feed on each other directly or indirectly. Nature balanced the cycle. Some people are just created to be capitalized on.
You talk about taking nothing into the grave but you forget that his kids and grand kids will never suffer. They will never stoop low to the level of an ordinary Nigerian.
Moreover, not only politicians are in the trade, the company’s producing the products you consume are reaping you off, telecom providers, hospitals, church , mosque e.t.c
God created the antelope and the likes to be foolish so the lion can feed. If they were all wise, the lion will die of starvation.
No spiritual book stated that, “Thou shall not fool or exploit your fellow humans” What a mentality. No wonder, I understand your moral psyche and standing. Out of the abundance of the heart... |
Celebrities › Re: Peller's Emotional Response To TVC Presenters Who Called Him Uneducated by ThunderfireNLMO: 8:13am On Jul 18, 2025 |
henrybomb: What if he is using them for content as usual? Who streams interview? It looks like mockery to me and saying they should be happy for a 500k job is way out of context.
So because it is a role relating to online streaming warrants streaming the interview? He is truly not intelligent Oga stop taking things personal. The guy is a content creator. Those people who came for the interview are all arrangee. Stop using emotions when it comes to things like this, move on. |
Politics › Re: Aisha Was Divorced From Buhari Before He Died – Farooq Kperogi by ThunderfireNLMO: 3:06pm On Jul 17, 2025 |
Maxymilliano: Aisha Buhari, Divorce, and Forgiveness Claim
By Farooq Kperogi
https://www.facebook.com/share/1AVD34wEuB/ Nnamdi Kanu is right all along. There is no smoke without fire and there is no way you people can continue to bend the truth. Lies has a multiple versions, but truth, just one. |
Foreign Affairs › Re: "My Father’s Location Changed Every Few Hours Yet He Was Assassinated By Israel" by ThunderfireNLMO: 11:28am On Jul 17, 2025 |
BodyCount: That's what terrorists do. Cancer of the world. Terrorising everyone they can terrorise. And USA, NATO and others are supporting them. USA is actually the one doing everything under the cover of the terrorists' state.
IRAN REALLY MADE US PROUD LAST MONTH AND I HOPE THAT NEXT TIME THEY TRIGGER IRAN, IRAN WILL DO 100X TIMES WHAT THEY DID TO THEM AGAIN.
God bless Iran. Thank you. You are the right-thinking person on this thread. It's just painful to see our people being caught in-between lies of global conspiracies. Imagine the world fighting against Iran, the likes of the West, the Benjamins, NATO and Isreal against Iran. |
Politics › Re: Your Father Was The Best! Nigerians Pray For Umar Musa Yar'adua's Son As He Weds by ThunderfireNLMO: 11:14am On Jul 17, 2025 |
RenaissanceGuy: They said the same thing about Buhari when Tinubu's govt began to fail. So it's a case of short memories and gullibility. You have no point. You're just trying and striving to be politically correct. |
Politics › Re: Your Father Was The Best! Nigerians Pray For Umar Musa Yar'adua's Son As He Weds by ThunderfireNLMO: 11:12am On Jul 17, 2025 |
Okoroawusa: It's funny how narratives turn to myths and legends.
What was good about the presidency of Umar Musa Yar'Adua if not the fact that he died in office?
I know say na my people go full that page. givedemwotowoto: First governor in Nigeria to publicly declare his assets, moved Katsina from debt to $50million dollar surplus, focused on education and healthcare, elected President, declared assets publicly, followed rule of law, obeyed court rulings even those that favored opposition, released Lagos funds seized by OBJ, achieved amnesty for Niger Delta militants, admitted he was elected through a flawed electoral system and started electoral reforms through justice Uwais committee, started River Niger dredging, many infrastructural projects
Nigeria didn’t become a first world country, but he started doing the right thing and people admired that. I believe the above among fews have silenced your criticisms. |
Politics › Re: Your Father Was The Best! Nigerians Pray For Umar Musa Yar'adua's Son As He Weds by ThunderfireNLMO: 11:10am On Jul 17, 2025 |
RenaissanceGuy: Many Nigerians are very easily deceived and have short memories. The same Yar'Addua that people were accusing of high-level of tribalism during his tenure, high-handedness and with cabal members calling the shots even before he fell ill, are whom they were now praising as being the best.
I agree that his stint in office was short and so we may not be able to perfectly judge his administration on work done, so best on what?? Because he reportedly sent letter to the NASS to transfer power to Jonathan and his aides blocked it?? Go back to history lane to know more about him and compare him with other presidents starting from Obasanjo to Tinubu, then you can compare and contrast. His good deeds outweigh his bad deed. No one is perfect man. |
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Politics › Re: Grid Collapses: States Ramp Up Plans For Power Plants by ThunderfireNLMO: 4:10pm On Jan 11, 2025 |
Iceberg3: Long overdue. Long long overdue.
Nigeria D are to blame for these blshttts....they don't do anything...they only suffering and smiling.....some of them even spend quality time bashing eachother over nonsense tribal issues.. I stead of them to have staged protests over this power years years ago.... It such a shame and pity,that Nigerians have spent,lost so much of their years living in darkness.
No child born 10 to even 20 years ago knows what regular power supply is not to talk of constant power supply.
JUST IMAGINE,THE MERCHANTS OF DARKNESS HAVE JUST "TAKEN LIGHT" NOW NOW!  "JUST IMAGINE,THE MERCHANTS OF DARKNESS HAVE JUST "TAKEN LIGHT" NOW NOW!" Lol🤣🤣🤣Had to laugh to the concluding part. Nigerians are the dumbest people on earth. Perfect definition of walking zombies, and smart idiot🤣🤣🤣 |
Crime › Re: Adeleke Pardons Osun Resident Sentenced To Death For Stealing Chicken by ThunderfireNLMO: 11:56am On Dec 27, 2024 |
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Romance › Re: Ladies Who Love Bad Guys May End Up Like This. by ThunderfireNLMO: 11:49am On Dec 27, 2024 |
Samantha125: The post is very true... Sometimes some of us ladies would be labelling men trash because we'd be in denial of the fact that we have a trashy taste in men.
I have this one sister who hasn't been lucky in relationships to a point that the family started looking down on her and regarded her as the black sheep of the family for being in multiple failed relationships... Because two of us are married to our high school boyfriends while one is married to her varsity boyfriend.
She's the only one with multiple failed relationships together with two kids from two different baby daddies... All her exes treated her like trash and her baby daddies don't even care about the kids... I once even confronted one of them for abandoning his own child, but the guy didn't seem to care... My sister was still willing to do anything to continue being with these guys until they finally ghosted her.
Now she's engaged to this wonderful man who was willing to overlook her flaws and adopt her children as his own, the guy's family also love her, but this sister of mine has all of a sudden started growing some wings and taking the guy's goodness for granted... Sometimes she'd be acting as if she's doing him a favour by being with him and I don't like it one bit, but there's nothing I can do.
She lied to the guy about her monthly salary and immediately they got engaged, she asked me to open a second savings account from another bank so that every month she could deposit a certain amount from her monthly salary into the account just so the guy can continue giving her that monthly allowance... If it happens that she wants something and the guy is short of cash, she'd then ask me to sent her a certain amount from that same account, so it can seem as if I'm the one who borrowed her the money because the account was registered in my personal details... I tried talking her out of it, but she wouldn't take a no for an answer.
When the guy asks her where she got the money, she'd lie by telling him that she borrowed it from me knowing very well that the guy would start feeling bad and looking for a way to repay me, but the truth is that, that money never gets to me... She'll spent it on herself... Now the guy recently bought a new car and my sister is already planning on manipulating him into giving her the car. Hey! Women😲 |
Politics › Re: Christmas: Our Country On Restoration, Progress Path, Tinubu Tells Nigerians by ThunderfireNLMO: 1:36pm On Dec 25, 2024 |
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Politics › Re: Tinubu’s Media Chat Lacks Humanity, Says Bode George by ThunderfireNLMO: 1:14pm On Dec 25, 2024 |
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Politics › Re: NLC Hails Dangote Refinery For Fuel Price Cut by ThunderfireNLMO: 12:49pm On Dec 25, 2024 |
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Politics › Re: Defamation: LPDC Rejects Afe Babalola’s Request To Debar Farotimi by ThunderfireNLMO: 2:57pm On Dec 24, 2024 |
lexy2014: for a person of Afe Babalola legal standing, how come he is more interested in using his influence to "punish" Farotimi instead of pursuing the path of as recommended by the LPDC? I think you now know the real Afe Babalola now. |