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Tenshades:
The questions you should ask yourself as a Muslim concerning "path" of how Quran and "Hadith" came to existence as u raised above are:

1. on whose Authority was the Qur'an sent to mankind?

2. on whose authority was the Hadith written?



Moreover, did Allah urge Muslim in Quran to use Hadith or Sharia, etc to supplement Quranic message from Him since you are trying to claim here that the Quran doesn't teach everything and it's insufficient?

So where did the Sharia and Hadith come from according to Quran?

Please read my message above

Tenshades:
With due respect, this topic is about "how playing Dice is HARAM"

I came in and opposed it cos if the motive behind the Dice isn't for gambling, I don't see why we should innovate it to be gambling. And I said if the Quran doesn't paint something as Haram, then it's not Haram.

But you claimed DICE is HARAM including playing it for fun, isn't it? Referencing to your Hadith/Shariah claim and I want you to tell the world where Allah urge us to use Hadith to supplement Quran since you said Allah's messages in the Quran are insufficient. But here u are dodging and asking questions about solat according to Quran.

Furthermore, in accordance to Qur'an 6:114 we must accept the Quran as the only source of law. So your Hadith and Shariah points as Quranic back ups are strongly unfounded.

Please read my message above

Ibrahimmrfish:
God bless you brother.The very day Muslims decide to see Hadith as a ferry tail,that is the day that Muslims will start to truly worship God.Hadith are just stories written centuries after the death of the prophet,and dedicated to him.Try reaching on the concept of chain of narrators(Mr A hear something from Mr B,who hear it from Mr C that hear it from the prophet).

Verily you are among the unknowing people. Fear Allah and repent before death comes oh you, fear Allah and repent before death comes oh you.

1) Ahmad, Abu Dawood and al-Haakim reported with a saheeh isnaad from al-Miqdaam that the Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) said:

"Soon there will be a time when a man will be reclining on his couch, narrating a hadeeth from me, and he will say, Between us and you is the Book of Allah: what it says is halaal, we take as halaal, and what it says is haraam, we take as haraam. But listen! Whatever the Messenger of Allah forbids is like what Allah forbids.

(Al-Tirmidhi reported it with different wording, and said that it is hasan saheeh)

2) It was narrated from al-Miqdaam ibn Ma’di Yakrib (may Allah be pleased with him) that the Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) said:

“Verily I have been given the Quran and something similar to it along with it. But soon there will be a time when a man will be reclining on his couch with a full stomach, and he will say, ‘You should adhere to this Quran: what you find that it says is permissible, take it as permissible, and what you find it says is forbidden, take it as forbidden.’ But indeed, whatever the Messenger of Allah forbids is like what Allah forbids.”

Narrated by al-Tirmidhi (2664). He said: It is hasan ghareeb with this isnaad. It was classed as hasan by al-Albaani in al-Silsilah al-Saheehah (2870).

3) Hassaan ibn ‘Atiyah said in al-Kifaayah by al-Khateeb (12):

Jibreel used to bring the sunnah down to the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) as he used to bring the Quran down to him. End quote.

Narrated by al-Daarimi in his Sunan (588) and by al-Khateeb in al-Kifaayah (12). It was attributed by al-Haafiz in al-Fath (13/291) to al-Bayhaqi, and he said: With a saheeh isnaad.

4) Allah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“And We have also sent down unto you (O Muhammad ) the Dhikr [reminder and the advice (i.e. the Quran)], that you may explain clearly to men what is sent down to them, and that they may give thought”

[al-Nahl 16:44].


Those who claim one only has to follow the Quran in reality has now adapt the belief of a misguided sect.

If one put one drop of such word into the ocean, the ocean would become red. Allahu Akbar, Allahu Akbar.

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One of the cleanest chain of narrations is Malik from Nafi from Abdullah Ibn Umar (Sahabi) from the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him).

Imam Malik compiled a Ahadith book called a Muwatta, which multiple students narrated from him

1) Imam Malik said: “I showed this book of mine to seventy of the jurists of Madinah, and all of them agreed with me (wata-ani) on it, so I called it al-Muwatta.”

2) It was narrated that al-Rabi’ said: I heard al-Shafi`i say: If Malik was uncertain about a hadith he would reject it altogether.

3) Sufyan ibn ‘Uyaynah said: May Allah have mercy on Malik, how strict he was in his evaluation of men (narrators of hadith). (Al-Istidhkar, 1/166); al-Tamhid, 1/68)

You are speaking without knowledge.
May Allah guide you to repentance.

The Hadith scholars made huge effort to evaluate and classify narrations.

A) Al-Khateeb al-Baghdadi said in Taareekh Baghdad (2/333), with his isnaad from ‘Abd ar-Rahmaan ibn Rasaayin al-Bukhaari: I heard Muhammad ibn Ismaa‘eel al-Bukhaari say: I compiled my book as-Sihaah in sixteen years; I selected the sound hadiths from among six hundred thousand hadiths. (End quote)

B) "Scrutinizing the chapters and Hadeeths of Al-Bukhari, Ibn Hajar found that, including repeated Hadeeths and excluding Hadeeths whose chains of narrators were dropped, the number was 7,397. However, the total without repeated Hadeeths becomes 2,602." (End quote)

Do you think his evaluation was not with huge effort and fear of Allah ta'ala if from 600'000 only 7397 were included in his authentic collection? For who has intelligence and can differentiate; in top of that if most of these are repeated Ahadith, can you not see the strength? Allahu Akbar. Allahu Akbar. How pure and what a blessing.

Imam Bukhari who chose from 600'000 Ahadith is only one scholar of Hadith, yet you want to speak against multiple? Be aware of the Fire and no return. Vallahi, again I warn you, oh Ummah of Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him).