₦airaland Forum

youngmonie:
To me i feel it should be left in the hands of libyans to fight their way to freedom!!, No freedom without blood. I have still failed to understand why the WEST must put their nose in everysingle thing that goes on around the world. Especially this f&^king BRITISH people.

Chrisbenogor:
Yes I said this is unfair to the Libyan people, the rebels are just a small percentage of the people. I say the Libyan people because they would be the ones to bear the sectarianism and suicide bombings that would come out of this. Everyone has realised that Iraq was a huge mistake, the arab league does not even has the military might to set up and maintain a no fly zone they need the west and it is france who would be leading air strikes in hours.

Now on the news they have said they would react positively to it and would not fly any planes they ask the UN to send a fact finding mission. If you are looking for a war game go and play call of duty, real lives are at stake here.

Sirs, the positions you take are madenning to those like me who would rather help our fellow human beings rather than consign them to horrible deaths at the hands of a madman. Just this morning Ghaddafi announced that there would be no mercy for the people of Benghazi. What does this mean? It means that they will wipe out every one of those freedom loving people in the next day or so, so that he and his sons can continue their kleptocratic, brutal and oppressive rule of Libya.

I for one think this intervention should have come way earlier when the mercenaries and airforce started bombing and killing indiscriminately. If for instance during the Abacha years all of a sudden people decided they can't take it anymore and started demonstrating and Abacha started poundinf them with bombs? Tell me you wouldn't have welcomed foreign intervention to save our lives notwithstanding the fact that some people still supported Abacha and were ready to make him civilian president for life? Bear in mind that at the beginning of all this Ghaddafi said he would rather die than leave Tripoli!!

You do all of us NairaLanders a disservice by comparing Libya to Iraq. In fact you really are insulting the senses of everyone. Iraq was attacked on a false pretext when all that was wrong was that Saddam was a dictator. The real reason for the attack can be argued between oil, the fact that Bush wanted to complete his dad's job, or the fact that Cheney is just an evil evil man who saw an opportunity to get rid of Saddam and took it. Libya however is the direct fallout of the revolution sweeping North Africa and the Middle East were  people are genuinely asking for their right to rule themselves. In Tunisia and Egpyt they were met with negotiations. Gaddafi has instead turned it all into war by bombing the hell out of protesters. In that case no amount of non-violence will make a positive difference, the government still wants to wipe them out. It's left to the international commmunity to help.

Its really amazing how people can twist the words of a man just so that they can fit their agenda even when the transcript of the interview is right there for all to see. Sad. This is the same way they all rushed to proclaim to us that Buhari said "Lynch". SMH

Theblessed:
[b][size=16pt]Which future, am I expected to seize here, where I would be forced to wear Bukha?? Eh? Naaaaah, thank you!

Now, take this for your argument!

You see, your comparisons do not wash, at all! Libya and Nigeria has nothing in common other than they are 2 Independent oil producing African States. Libya is a one party autocracy in the desert, with at least 90% moslems and has 1 or more tongues. Nigeria, on the other hand, is a multi-party, multi-religious system in the sub-sahara and have over 200 different tongues, how did they compare, in politics?

The kind of dictatorship you people want for Nigeria, wouldn't it be better go over there, and fill your heart content with it than bringing it here and expecting us to take it, naaaaaaaaaah! Hear it now, it will not work! Just don't try it!

It's seems you all now hate Gadafi, isn't it? All along, you all have supported him and non of you had the guts to come out and condemn him openly of atrocities until the world started shouting. And here your are querying me about the brother you supported all along, together with Egyptian politics - which in my view is quite moderate compared to others? Not fair asking me, is it? Listen, extremism will not stand in Nigerian maybe, in the North and there, it will remain.

Again, if those in power couldn't change the law to make it easy and accessible to bring to justice, in a civilised manner those caught in the act, who would, then? Me, with my one vote? Well, I am voting for common sense -a balanced and moderate agenda and certainly, not for sentiments nor extremism. You can now, see I know how to seize my future - putting my vote where my mouth is, and that's exactly where everyone should put their votes and not on tribal and religious sentiments as is the case now, that would be idiotic

So, people, put your votes where your mouths are, and seize your future as they say!! [/size][/b]

If you can’t see it then I’ll point it out to you. Nigeria’s situation is similar to Libya’s for no other reason than the type of leadership we’ve had. You say we have a multiparty system right? Now tell me which other party apart from PDP has realistically had the opportunity to rule the country since democracy supposedly started in 1999? Is the constant rigging of elections in order to keep one party in power not a form of dictatorship in itself? Granted, we haven’t been ruled by one person only, but then what is the difference? Is the cabal that was behind Obasanjo not the same cabal behind Yar’adua and now Jonathan? Do they not siphon our common wealth in order to enrich themselves at the expense of everyone else? Sure Obj didn’t get his third term, but he might as well have been ruling for the past three yrs since he handpicked our president. If PDP intends to rig the coming election to keep themselves in power agaist our wishes then we have a right as a nation to react with force if necessary in order to protect our future and that of our children just as those in Libya, Tunisia and Egypt are doing with great success.

Secondly, I went to secondary school in naija and am now about to finish College in the US at the age of 20. Which autocracy am I keeping where? Who is talking of autocracy? Didn’t I just argue for a disciplinarian as President in my previous post? Does that translate to autocratic rule? If you see a the quality of having no time for the corruption and the gross indiscipline of Nigerian politicians as autocracy then please by all means I want to live in that autocracy. I have only made about 3 posts on Nairaland in my life so how do you know whether I ever supported Gaddafi or Mubarak. If you really want to know about me or my opinions I’ll tell you. I am 20yrs old, Catholic, Yoruba. I have a deep seated and principled dislike of both men for what they have done to their people. Anyone who robs his people blind and kills them should be thrown into jail for life with hard labour. It is inexcusable.

From your post it sounds like you are voting for Ribadu. If that is true, more grease to your elbow! However there is something in your last paragraph I have trouble with. How on earth is Buhari or Ribadu meant to make any changes in order to make it easier for us to bring election riggers and mandate thieves to justice? Is it not PDP that is in charge at the top? Are they not also the ones benefitting from all the rigging? What motives do they have to change the status quo? Only the opposition and us ordinary Nigerians can bring about any change by refusing as a people to tolerate their tricks. This would only happen if we take to the streets and make it clear that things will not be the same this time around. This is what Buhari is asking us all to do and if you read through this thread you will know that he said we should defend our votes and never once mentioned “LYNCH”.

Theblessed:
[b][size=16pt]Pardon me! But the reality you live in, is archaic! A world of primitivity and primitive thinkers, who are unable to devise innovative ways to resolve problems other than the use of 'Force and intimidation' - and what has that achieved? Nothing!

In fact, you may not realise this, that (whilst online here) you have subconsciously exhibited these uncivilised/primitive triats we are talking about here e.g. intimidation. Even your description of events here, points you in that direction. Yes, I could hear you proclaim your Self Righteousness over this, by asking, how could a small woman like you, intimidate anyone?

And I ask, what makes anyone think you couldn't when you're already on it - intimidating others. Imagine you, shrinking my texts and misrepresenting it from, it's original presentation. It's not your work, is it? And, why did you do it?? If not for your love of CONTROL, FORCE and INTIMIDATION, what else could it be? At least, everyone could see why you support barbarism and barbaric intimidators like Buhari - it's all about hunger for power and control of others, and it won't work for una!

Therefore, I ask you again, what would lynching people because they riggged election (that would only last 4yrs or so) achieve, when you can jail them or place a ban on them from contesting any election, if found guilty instead of terminating their lives as if that would solve Nigeria's problems?

For example, in the 70's and 80's they introduced, the killing of Armed robbers and Drug pushers via firing squard and I ask again, has armed robbery and drug pushing stopped??

Life is precious! A bad man today may become a good man tomorrow, in turn become economically beneficial to his country so, if you and those you support kill him today by your lynching - you have techically deprived Nigeria, off her Asset - think and think again! Is anyone home here, yet?

No wonder, your kind of leaders are classed, lazy and impotent, upstairs!

Now, I await your vindication of not supporting rule by iron-hand/barbarism - bring it on, babe![/size][/b]

It’s very sad because it’s because of people like you that this country is still where it is. What would you have said to the people in Libya if you were a Libyan? “Stop fighting for your freedom to determine your future! Go home and sue Gadhafi in the courts!”. Do you think the 2007 elections were rigged? I’d say yes. Did Buhari go to the courts? I think so. Did he get justice? I don’t think so, Yar’adua was still declared winner. Let me then ask you this- who is now going to put Obasanjo and Yar’adua and Jonathan in jail for the elections they rigged? Who is now banning Jonathan from contesting for any elections based on the fact that he was rigged into power albeit as the junior partner of the ticket. Who is banning Alao-Akala, or Oni from contesting? Or is Akala now a good man? Is his life precious to the millions of Oyo citizens that are suffering from his looting of the state?
Or is it Buhari and Atiku that you expected to put Yaradua in jail? What positions do they hold? Is Buhari the judge or is Atiku the Attorney General of the federation? Tell me who in China or Saudi Arabia will not think twice before smuggling in narcotics. In fact go try it? The death sentence you get will shock you. Is it not the same China that just overtook Japan as the 2nd biggest economy in the world and is poised to overtake the US in a few years? Nigeria desperately needs the discipline someone like Buhari brings to the table if is ever to move out of the dire mess it is in. Hopefully people like you would not hold us back when we start our own revolution. Egyptians and Tunisians are busy moving forward while we here wringing our hands and talking of primitivity!! SEIZE YOUR FUTURE!!

I had to register on Nairaland because after all these months I am tired of seeing the same apologists for mediocrity and maintenance of the status quo stubbornly support their beloved leaders regardless of the nature of the argument. Pray tell me why any human being that lived through the sham of the 2007 elections, and who can clearly see how the North Africans are rising up against their corrupt dictators, would say that we should not fight to protect our votes?

I can see how the message from Buhari might be misinterpreted by some people in the north, but the overall message is clear as day. You can't sit here after 1999, 2003 and 2007 elections and tell me that the average Northerner (or Almajiri as some posters insist on referring to them) does not know when an election is being rigged!?!? I was in Ibadan in 2007, living with a bunch of youth corpers (NYSC) from the East who also worked at the polls during the election. Everybody in that huge city went to vote, and voted overwhelmingly for Ajimobi as the youth corpers who were of age to vote can attest. My parents lived in Ogbomoso, hometown of that despicable Arrow Alao-Akala, and even there with the huge support for omo-onile (son of the soil) against those people in Ibadan that don't like us guess what, Akala still got his thugs to go around, beat voters, shoot up the polling booths, seize all the ballot boxes and stuff them.

Imagine the surprise when news filtered into Ibadan that the number of votes for Akala in Ogbomoso was more than half the total number of votes in Ibadan when their populations are not even comparable!! The numbers were quickly revised to give Akala half the votes from Ibadan and reduce the number from Ogbomoso! The Inec chairman in the state is even alleged to have spent the night in Adedibu's house, perfecting the film trick. Now tell me that the people of Ogbomoso that were beaten black and blue or the cheated citizens of Ibadan should not have marched that night and lynched all the thugs plus Adedibu and the Inec chairman that stole their mandate. Then think of the farce of a courtcase at the election tribunal and then the rotten state of affairs in Oyo today. Please people don't sell your country to the same thugs.