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Resilence: https://www.premiumtimesng.com/news/headlines/168738-oritsejafor-is-finished-can-is-damaged-cardinal-okogie.html

read and see hw ur renowned cardinal is been driven by hatred and giving childish reasons dat cannot be verified, even wen d govt has dispatched every
allegations linking ayo wit d alledged money siezed, by laying claim to it, ur cardinal wouldnt agree still, cos he is hell bent in making sure he brings Ayo down either by hook or by crook. Very pathetic of u catholics.

and you Pentecostals who are supposed to be better than us are wallowing in illegal businesses and sexual immorality. Shame on your lot. You want to hear the truth? There is no difference btw you and us; just like apc and pdp. we are both dirty and have lost focus. Pentecostals were true to their callings in the days of Scripture Union (SU). But those of you who replace the SU today are only fooling yourselves; that is why your national leader will wallow in illegal business and your brainwashed lot will not see anything bad in it. That is why COZA pastor will be accused of sexul molestation and PFN will not question him. Your shame is open for all to see through pastor TB, pastor okotie, pastor oyakilomeh (whatever the spelling), and a million and one other mushroom pastors. One of your pastors died recently and a secret society came to claim his body because the so-called pastor was their member when he was alive. Yet another so-called Pentecostal pastor fvcked church member's wife in a hotel in abuja. COZA pastor too fvcked church member and the eediotic pastor tried fooling himself by saying the Holy Spirit asked him not to respond to the charges. The Name of Christ is being dragged in the mud and the Holy Spirit will ask you to keep silent? Tell me a better lie! If not for pastor adeboye, pastor olukoya (mfm) and pastor kumuyi, you pple would have gone under. Yeah, catholic church is bad. But you Pentecostals, you are WORSE!

Lordlexyy: I won't condescend to the level of name calling. Nevertheless, I used the phrase 'insurbodination' not necessarily to malign catholics, rather to display their inability and unwillingness to be a subject of a pentecostal led CAN President. I hold no personal grudges against what you choose to believe, but your hatred for the penticostal is apparent in all your write up. You claim boko haram is not just a muslim affair, to that i don't have anything to argue about, since evidence before us shows their ideology and campaign is purely islamic. While i agree that not all muslims are in support of the jihadist, it is commendable to praise the role the CAN president had played far to urge the U.s congress to tagged a terrorist group, one of the very reason why we have received international intervention and attention against the terror group. Those are some of the pro activeness expected of a CAN President which Papa Ayo is playing. I bet you, the Catholic CAN president may certainlly have said that the haramittes are our brothers and go to sleep. You don't play brotherliness while your house burn. I will rather not talk about what traspire btw his air craft and the dollars found in it since there is no proof to link him with the alledged criminal deed, but i will remain eternally grateful for using his good office to correct the injustice done to Christians and to put a stop to whatever agenda the muslims are conceiving against us.

general ihejirika too is a Muslim, right? You said you don't play brotherliness while your house burn. Are you saying Jesus Christ is wrong when He said " do not resist an evil person. If someone slaps you on one cheek turn the other"? You Pentecostals are now only Christianity of convenience. You use your human spirit to rationalize God's Word. As a result, you have gotten worse than the catholics whose activities God mandated you to correct.
While pastor ayo may not know about the $9.3 million ( the coincidence is however very difficult to wish away), he can't say he doesn't know that renting out his PRIVATE jet for COMMERCIAL is illegal. And a part of my bible says "whoever knows to do good and doeth it not, to him it is a sin". Now, if head of CAN now has his hands stained through shady deals, then there is big problem.

Lordlexyy: I understand how deeply pained you feel over some personal views, but the tension flaring is clearly unnecessary. I would rather that we keep the discussion as civil as possible without resorting to personal attack. First, you must be able to prove doubt what makes it illicit for an individual to lease out his property for commercial purpose. Secondaly, to your unending question, is on record how Christ critise and condemned the pharasees who are the pro type of today's muslims and their practices which is what Papa Ayo is currently doing. Thirdly, i am finding it difficult to relate with your insinuation that Papa Ayo has divided the both religions with his resistance. My question is, were the two faiths ever in harmony? The fact he made certain remark against the incessant attack on Christians unprovoked not just the emergence of boko haram, should be commended. But insurbodinate folks like you will still find excuses to accuse him. Just the catholic, every other Christian especially in the north, had never feel more optimistic like we do now. Say what you want, one thing is certain and that is, Papa Ayo will remain CAN President until his tenure is over and also he has proven he is not a coward that will allow islamists run the affairs of this nation unchallenged.

can you now see you are truly a hypocrite? I guess your churches also teach you hypocrisy aside special teachings they give you on arrogance and prosperity-by-all-means even if it means "giving unto ceaser what belongs to ceaser (bribery), just like pastor TB did.
You commented the discuss must be left civil, yet you started calling me and catholic church insubordinate. Does that sound civil to you? You are a confirmed hypocrites!

The same Christ that said "woe unto you pharisees" is the same Christ of Matthew 5:39-48. Read it up if you still fancy sensibility.

It is only a daft and backward person that will still see boko haram as a muslim thing. If you are not too blind by hypocrisy, you would have read in my comments that xtians were arrested as being members of boko haram. It is unfortunate that pastor ayo and you Pentecostals still see boko haram as islamic. This is backward thinking, no doubt.

If you are still asking for evidence whether it is illegal to rent out private jet for commercial purpose, then you have big mental problem; it is either you are backward or you are an irreparable hypocrite. Is it legal to use a private car for commercial purpose? Is there no reason why both private and commercial cars are given different colours of number plates? Like i hinted earlier, you are either backward or you are an irredeemable hypocrite.

Then you made a very foolish statement when you wrote pastor ayo will finish his tenure. Is anybody contesting anything with him? Your statement reminds me of pdp supporters crying "gej till 2015". How come you so-called Pentecostals have reduced the value of xtianity to that of dirty politics? What is now the difference btw CAN and the dirty politian on the street? Are you pple still showing forth the praise of Christ on earth or you are only showing forth your own selfish praises? Pentecostal Christianity is a big disappointment to God. He created you to correct the ills in the early catholic church, but you have all lost focus and have become dirtier than the catholic church in all ramifications.

alcoholic: hmm, i heard father okogie released a statement callin d present CAN president names, ..hw hatred can make some1 look cheap, realy baffling.

mr. You are mentally retarded really. So, you only "heard" but you haven't seen evidence to prove if it is true or not and you are already commenting and passing judgement. You pple are really led by the Holy Spirit indeed. Don't you claim to know the bible more than catholics? Is IThessalonians 5:21 still in your bible or you have torn it away? I suggest you leave this discuss to the true Pentecostals. Every comment you post here is giving the Pentecostal churches very bad image. With every comment you make, i wonder why your pastor has allowed your soul to stray so deeply into perdition. I guess your pastor is busy teaching you how to be arrogant and be rich that he has left the real basis of Christian tenets. Believe me, i can't read Christ in any of your comments; they are so uncultured, they are so immoral. Even a Sunday school child in the catholic church is wiser than to make such brainless and unreasonable comments. Mr, i think your case has gone beyond laying of hands; the only thing that can save your soul from hell fire now is laying of legs.

Resilence: yes i av seen his convoy, wat do u expect, a man dat speaks against insurgency and islamization of d country should be a terror target, so he needs d escort, in warri he doesnt carry such kind of escort,..that shouldnt even be a matter to discuss, since u pointed dat out let me also refer u to ur pope whose convoy is larger than the convoy of two president put together, wat do av to say about that?

from your comment it is clear you don't know a thing about the catholic church. It is surprising why pple who are completely ignorant start arguing on what they know nothing about.

Mr ignoramus, you know NOTHING about the catholic church or the Pope. He never goes about in convoy. The last time he was in brazil, his fellow cardinals wanted him to sit in a well protected bullet-proof limousine (the church ordered for bullet-proof limousine after Pope John Paul II was shot in 1982), but the present pope refused. Will it interest your ignorant mind to realize the pope drives himself around in Vatican City without driver and in an old 1952 car? Can your small-god, pastor ayo, that you are ready to die for here ever be that humble? Of course not.

Resilence: Hw do u start educating an hardened-brainwashed-religeous bigot wit passion,..where do u start frm!

in fact, your own blindness is monumental. Or do you want to say you don't know that pastor oritsejafor is intentionally running an illegal racket by renting out a private jet for commercial purpose? Or do you prefer to stay brainwashed, deaf and dumb because it is pastor ayo and you feel he is free to play around with illegality (sin)? Now that CAN president is playing around with sin (illegal business) does he have any moral justification to preach holiness to anyone on earth?

Balkan: Who is a man? you? is there any man in Yoruba land. you cant stop making me laugh this girl. every yoruba person is a woman, cowards thats why we are occupying lagos with impunity. that is the story of your tribe my sister.

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like i wrote earlier, your cranium is too compressed and your brain too damaged to see beyond your nose. It is like your plathycranial pathological problem is irreparable. The pathological condition has caused arterial occlusion and it is starving your brain of oxygen. Brain death looks imminent. It looks like untimely death is hanging around your neck. Sorry; i tried my best, but the condition has gone systemic.

Lordlexyy: Quit being judgemental Mr tony. And i most say that the insult doesn't portray you in a good light of the faith you profess. For the record, the adultery scandal hanging on Pastor Chris was mere speculative but i will allow you to choose what to believe. However, irrespective of your obvious hatred for the pentecostals, i am not here to discuss or condemn any church, my concern is to defend Papa Ayo from any imaginary and unproven crime levelled against him by enemies both within and outside, which i view as an attack against the body Christ and to promote the very positive role he has played among northern Christians in given us a stand. This i maitained is in sharp contrast to the domicile leadership role played by his predecessors. What ever your grudges against other believes outside of the catholic doesnot change the very positive effect and contribution this present leadership has recorded thus far. Shalom.

first off, pls keep your hypocritical shalom to yourself.

Secondly, don't even give me that "judgemental" crap. I suggest you give the same message to one of your rotten brothers whose monicker is "alcoholic". He had been judgemental since this discuss began to the extent of calling cardinal okogie, someone who is old enough to be his grandfather, a slowpoke. You will never see that as wrong because he is your fellow Pentecostal. One of your so-called spirit-filled brothers here commented that catholics are like muslims, but that will not look judgemental to you because it was written by a Pentecostal. But when a catholic says such, you start crying "judgemental". How does your brothers' thoughtless utterances present Pentecostal xtians in good light? in fact, his comments make me wonder if your churches teach you pple about respect for elders.

Even you, mr "judgemental" crooner, you wrote in one of your comments that catholics team up with muslims and traditionalists to criticize pastor ayo. Is that statement not judgemental? Can you now see that you've lost the moral justification to ever call anyone judgemental? Aren't you ashamed of yourself? Your comment is full of HYPOCRISY! I suggest you remove the big log in your own eyes before removing the speck in mine. When catholic priests sin, you pple shout it to high heavens. But when Pentecostal pastors sin, you try to cover it up and start uttering your "thou shall not judge" nonsense. HYPOCRITES!

Thirdly
Mr. pastor ayo's defender, how will you defend the fact that the CAN president rented out his jet illegally? Or do you want to pretend you don't know that it is illegal to rent out personal jets for commercial purpose? But am sure it will not matter to you. Since it is your small god, pastor ayo, that we are talking about, he can play around with illegality and it will not matter. HYPOCRITE!

You claim onaiyekan was domicile. Were you expecting him to be arrogant and start building dividing block btw Christians and Muslims, like pastor ayo is doing? Is that what you call good leadership-a leader that makes you see the muslims as your enemies? Do you realize that many muslims are against the killings perpetrated by boko haram? Pastor ayo ignobly committed the error of linking boko haram with islam. Do you know how many xtians were arrested for working with boko haram? Many muslims were actually innocent, yet pastor ayo makes you see muslims as your enemies. I still put this question to you: If Jesus Christ is alive in the flesh today, do you think
He would have accused muslims the way pastor ayo has done or He would have eaten with them the way cardinal onaiyekan has done?

Balkan: This girl you are still here. I pity you and your tribes men.

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your head is so flat. It has compressed your brain so badly that your sensory and motor cortices are damaged. The damage is so extensive that you can't differentiate btw a male and female. Have you seen Dr. Ben Carson recently? You need touches from his Gifted Hands before your flaathead-induced brain damage gets irreparable.

Billygee2u: May God bless you with the wasted blood o
f innocet Biafrans ,for insulting the Igbos.

you igbos insulted yourselves.

Lordlexyy: Well, it sounds ok for the cardinal to break fast with the muslims while Christians up north get attack by their muslim neighbours. Papa Ayo never advice anyone to pick up arms against his fellow muslims, but his comments many atimes is to remind the muslims that the Christians are aware of all the unprovoked killings, something none of the former CAN president ever did. Papa Ayo actual made us realise that the Christians are not cowards but patiently following and abiding by the injunction of the bible. We are not surprise at this blantant accusation against the man of God since it is clear that the muslims and catholics have always been best of friends. But, may i remind you that the emergence of Papa has greatly unite we true Christians more to realise we are never push over, an opposition and spirit the catholic CAN presidents lack and couldn't give.

yeah, you "true" Christians are united. You are so true to the extent that pastor Chris has become a divorcee. Your "unity" and "trueness" to Christianity has not stopped your pastors from committing fornication and adultery all over the place. What is the purpose of your unity? Is it for earthly strength or heavenly salvation? You bunch of hypocrites! Will it interest you to know that pastor oritsejafor renting out a private jet for commercial purpose is illegal? Am sure you are too arrogant, brainwashed and blind to reason this out.

Now, mr Spirit-led, tongue-twisting Pentecostal, if Jesus is around in the flesh today, do you think he would have separated himself from Muslims? Do you think he wouldn't have eaten and drunk with them, just like the cardinal did? Don't you pple claim to be led by the Spirit of Jesus? How come your orientation is different?

Resilence: it seems all effort to awakening ur brainwashed sense of reasoning to d present day reality has been futile so far, so i wash my hands frm ur pathetic case, i wont be held responsible for ur stunted overview about the pentecostal church, atleast i tried my best puting u on d knw, u can go ahead wit ur conspiracy theories. But remember God is watching.

so, if someone doesn't agree with your point of view, then the person is brainwashed? What gives you the assurance that what you are stressing is the right thing?
There is no stunted overview about Pentecostal church. You pple are not better than catholics in any way. Yeah, some catholic priests are pedophiles, even pentecostal pastors are not different. Just yesterday, one pastor in the north was found sleeping with church member's wife. Years ago, a mountain of fire pastor in ogun state was having affairs with church members in the church he was posted to. Pastor Chris is about breaking with his wife. Pastor okotie had divorced several times already in direct disobedience to the scriptures. A pastor in RCCG impregnated church member and pastor adeboye had to force the pastor to marry the girl. My friend's brother, who is a RCCG pastor, was wrongfully and intentionally posted from osogbo to a remote village (despite the fact that it wasn't yet time for nationwide transfer in RCCG) because his area pastor wanted to bring his own friend to the osogbo parish.

God allowed protestants (pentecostals et al) to stand because the early catholic church authorities were not preaching the truth as God wanted. But now, even you the Pentecostals have deviated from the truth and your pastors now preach prosperity instead of salvation (safe for depper Christian life church and few others). You pple have become conditional Christians and the idea of "carrying your cross and following Christ" has become an archaic idea. You have destroyed God's purpose of creating the protestants. You claim to be led by the Holy Spirit, but it never shows in your conducts. Mr, you are very correct; God is watching!

Trailblazer1: Your term 'Romancing with politicians' its too vague for easy comprehension. Please, clearly explain yourself cos the last time I checked, pastor Ayo had a wife and not a gay. How was he Romancing with politicians?
You want him to send the president away when he comes to seek spiritual counsel right? Then what makes him a spiritual father? Where is the place for spiritual counsel and guidance?
I have never seen pastor Ayo in any PDP rally, or have you?
As for your cardinals who can't stomach being under the leadership of a pentecostal due to perceived feeling of superiority, I have a lot to say about them, but in the spirit of unity, I will hold my peace.

I hereby challenge anybody to show me one place from the scriptures where his actions are contrary and I Will show you five places where they are right.

can you prove it with tenable evidence that catholic left CAN because they feel too superior to stay under leadership of Pentecostal? Is this the lies you tell one another in your supposed Spirit-led camp?

If you don't know the meaning of "romancing with politicians", then pls stay dumb and blind for the rest of your life.

Resilence: my dear ur miseries has just began,
wat damn evidence are u blabbing about, when ur cardinals said they were pulling out of CAN cos Ayo's private jet was bought for him by d govt did dey provide any evidence, are these nt dsame conspiracies blind brainwashed catholics like u are propagating all over d media, can some1 be dis clueless Ur even asking me to provide evidence for allegation u vehemtly orchestrated, u are a sure nicompoop, and
which truth are u holding on to, oh is it d 1 ur cardinal brianwashed u wit Even ur fellow catholics in d north av denied ties wit ur so called cardinal, they are all singing d praise of Ayo,..the earlier u open ur eyes to reality the better ur chances of survival, ur fellow catholics in d north can atestify to this fact.

first off, i don't know what you mean by misery. I've never felt better and more relaxed in my life. I guess you are the one going through misery and you now "think" (like you always do) that others are sharing your misery. I'm sorry to say that you are completely alone in your misery; whatever the cause.

Secondly, i don't know where you got your lies from, but it is certain the church never left CAN for flimsy reasons; the Church is too guarded in conduct to make unproven claims. You can't understand because you are not part of us.

Thirdly, it is clear that reading and understanding are not your strong points. I also suspect your mental reasoning still belongs to the lower rung of the mental-ladder; i mean that looks like the only logical reason why you will want to turn a simple discuss to abuse and name calling. This shows many of you Pentecostals just warm benches in your churches without understanding what it means to be a Pentecostal Christian. I will leave your pastors to tutor you on that; hoping they will not be too carried away with prosperity preaching to remember salvation message.

Lastly, you should know that the Catholic Church always speaks with one voice. We are not like the so-called Pentecostals that have no singular direction. The Catholic Church is not an individual's business venture like your Pentecostal churches. As a result our voices are never divided.

Resilence: u mean those allegations ur cardinals leveled on him wit no evidence to show?

like i wrote earlier, you seem to have problem with proper reading and understanding. At least two of your comments fall short of tandem with the comments you quoted.

padeolu: Let's not shy away from the truth. We all have a different interpretation to what we perceive to be the "Christian standard", same way we have different interpretation to the verses or lessons in the bible. That exactly is what led to creation of new faiths && doctrines. You can't tell me what a Jehova witness see as the ideal Christian standard is thesame as that of a Protestant or orthodox...

are you saying xtians now see stealing of public fund differently? Are you saying some of you now see bribery as "giving to ceasar what belongs to ceaser"? Are you saying some of you now profess that "stealing is not corruption" like GEJ? Whatever your denomination may be, has fornication changed? Has stealing changed? Has corruption changed? Has bribery changed? Ahh...end time xtians; most of us have missed the Way!

Resilence: isgusting.

i see, i tot i was talkin to a reasonable person.,it seems u knw too much, but let it be knwn dat Ayo is an elected president of CAN, and God is a master planner, notting happens by accident,.. Up until now i av nt yet figure out d reason y catholics pulled out pf CAN,.there av being a media conspiracy cheifly orchestrated by d catholics just to tarnish d image of Ayo, it should be noted dat these allegations av no concrete evidence to bacck them up wit,..so let me ask, wat is his fault, did he impose himself on CAN, are ur cardinals perfect, were u dere wen it happened, do u av concrete evidence to back ur claim, who are u to judge., be very careful of ur utrances.

first off, there is no link or association btw what you quoted and your response. How come you lack the simple skill of reading properly before commenting?
Secondly, you wrote that i know too much. Would you have preferred i know nothing so that you can thwart the truth and make me believe in lies. Yeah, am a catholic and i associate with the scriptures (to God's Glory) so that i will not be swept away by doctrine of men lying in wait to deceive; just like you have been trying to do all evening.

Thirdly, you wrote that the catholic church has been orchestrating lies about oritsejafor. What evidence do you have? Can you prove these things? Have you investigated these things so as to hold on to the truth as the scriptures cautioned? Or are you just writing because you "think" the catholic church is involved in your perceived "orchestration"? I guess you are the one who needs to be careful about his utterances.

Resilence: u av no case dude, if i may ask., in wat did d CAN president romance wit politician

you will have to go through the dailies (newspapers) from the day oritsejafor became CAN president till today if you are interested in knowing. I wont waste my time giving you facts since you've already judged me before you asked the question.

padeolu: I actually don't know what you mean by "Christian standard". But if it is what I think you mean, then these standard varies among doctrine and individuals. And its very possible to actively participate in politics without compromising ones believe. Although it takes inbuilt strength && God's guidance to stay out of sin while holding such post.

what do you mean by "christian standard varies" and "it depends on individual belief"? Should there be any other Christian standard or belief aside the ones laid out in the scriptures? Or are you saying there are now different compositions of the scriptures? If the scriptures do not vary and scriptural understanding is given by the same Holy Spirit, should there be any difference or variation in christian standards? Should there be varying beliefs? Pls let us be careful so that we dont propagate blasphemy.

Trailblazer1: Catholics are nothing less than Muslims in their believe of superiority over any Perceived rival. The pentecostals have submissively been under their leadership for years without complains and now can't stand the leadership of CAN under a pentecostal, just as a Muslim can't stand the rulership of Nigeria by an "infidel".
Well its not time for division or disunity as pastor Ayo rightly said.

But those catholic leaders like cardinal okogie should mind their utterances cos neither reflects the mind of God nor the mind of the people.

the reason why catholics left CAN was because CAN leadership was romancing with govt at the center. When you do that, there is no way you will not compromise your stand as a true Christian. That was exactly what Okogie reiterated when he spoke about this issue the last time. I don't expect you to see things this way and i don't expect you to see anything bad in CAN romancing with politicians.

Lordlexyy: And to think that most of the unverifiable attack is coming chiefly from most Christians especially Catholics, is most unfortunate. They have team up with the unbelieving muslims, athiests and traditionalists to ridicule the man of God. How do you accused someone whose property he rented was used for dubious business? It doesn't make sense to me. Papa Ayo was known to have withstood the tyranic rule of the muslims especially in the north against Christian through public utterances. Christians in the north will forever remain grateful for given them a voice and a stand against the muslims who believe they can walk over them unquestioned. This is a feat that none of the catholic priests leadership in CAN ever achieve. We are solidly behind you sir, in prayers. God bless you.

yeah. Oritsejafor withstood the muslims to the extent of asking xtians to fight back. Now, mr Pentecostal xtian, do you think Jesus Christ would have made the same utterances if He were CAN's president? I mean the same Jesus that said you should turn the left cheek if your enemy should slap you on the right cheek. Do you know what Archbishop Onaiyekan did when he was CAN president? He was fasting with muslims during the holy month of Ramadan in line with what apostle paul said that "i am everything to everyone THAT I MAY WIN SOME"! I suspect you have torn that part away from your bible. The only part you read now is the part where Jesus asked his disciples to buy sword; because that part sounds ok to your itching ears.

padeolu: If Christians choose not stay out of politics, then they have nothing to complain about when the non-Christians misrule. #justsaying

can you pls show me how a xtian can hold political office in nigeria without first compromising his xtian standards? #justasking

padeolu: If Christians choose not stay out of politics, then they have nothing to complain about when the non-Christians misrule. #justsaying

can you pls show me how a xtian can hold political office in nigeria without first compromising his xtian standards?

Balkan: Thats the only weapon you have abuse. You are your tribes men are doomed for ever Lagos is an occupied land, wait for your deputy governor.

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like i wrote earlier, you reason like an eediot.

alcoholic: wel i dnt av all d tym in trying to educate a hardened, brainwashed religeous bigot,.. I tank God CAN is no longer under ur control, cos wit this kind of ill understanding of d tins of God, i bet by now all christains would av being wiped out of this country if catholics were still at d helm of leadership, God is a master planner, noting happens by accident.

yeah, you have the right understanding of the things of God and that is why you called your father's mate a slowpoke. By their fruits (comments and utterances) you shall know them. Yeah, i am a bigot; at least am not mannerless like a child lacking home training.

Balkan: I guess you dont have an answer to your tribes impending doom. name calling cant save you. one the time come we shall know who is hallucinating.

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you should have deduced by now that reasoning with you is like reasoning with an eediot

alcoholic: my frnd stop making a fool of urself, weather they were directed by yaweh or not, it is stil politics, cos they had sorbodinate or u can or followers to which they preside upon, wat does politics mean?

Google is your friend. Find out about it yourself or remain ignorant for the rest of your life. Pentecostal
xtian my foot!

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Resilence: cos i read one of ur comment wen u where trying to use the HOLY spirit as a factor to victimise d pentecostals, dnt u tink d holyspirit shouldnt be mentioned on this kind of arguments?

if you pple claim to be Pentecostal, then there is no way one will not mention the Holy Spirit when discussing about you; not because your behaviors are directed by Him (most of you have lost touch with Him actually), but because The Holy Spirit is the Power behind "the day of Pentecost" from which you pple got your name. Don't also forget we are discussing xtianity here and the Power behind xtianity is the Holy Spirit. You cant seperate the two. How come you don't know simple things like this despite the fact that you are Pentecostal? What do they teach you in those your churches? so because i linked discuss on Christianity to the Holy Spirit, you have now translated it to "victimization"! The way you pple translate the Holy Bible is getting disgusting.

Balkan: its a systematic movement. one step at a time. the party that has Igbo Deputy running mate will surely win Lagos state.

The next step will be taken over Lagos governorship. by the time we get that we shall remodel our Lagos for final occupation.
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Thank God for one Nigeria.

i guess you have missed your atropine therapy this morning. As a result, the excess dopamin secretion in your brain has worsened your hallucination.

Resilence: are u implying that politics be left for the dirty ones?,if so, then i totally disagree, in d bible david was king, yet he was man after God's own heart, wat about solomon d wisest king ever liveth, or is it joseph, joshua and so many of them who were involved in politics and yet God called them His own,.. Even prophet Samuel in d bible was a personal adviser to King saul,.assuming samuel was in our generatn, same fate would av befall him,. We should always av at d back of our mind as christains that christ didnt die for beleivers, christ came for d dirty ones, if they are isolated, tins will get rough nt only in d country but also for christains,..POLITICIANS must nt be left isolated and christians should take it upon themselves and get involved in politics.
I wish we had christains in majority of d arms of govt, some of d problem facing this country wouldnt av come to existence, cos we would av ppl who are God fearing in these govt institutions. A word they say is enough for d wise.

chei! I smhfu. Is this the error your pastors preach to you or you cooked this up by yourself? How can you say David and Solomon were playing politics? It is either you don't understand the meaning of politics or your understanding about God is turned upside down. David, Solomon, Samuel, Joshua, Joseph never played politics. They were directly directed by Yahweh. David tryed playing politics when he counted Israel and God got angry with him. The reason God said David was a man to His Heart was because David always quickly asked for forgiveness each time he sinned against God. Saul played politics when he offered sacrifice in place of Samuel and God cursed him. Mark you, Samuel was not Saul's advicer; rather, he was Saul's instructor. Eli was playing politics by allowing his children to run riot without control and God removed his generation from priesthood. Herod played politics and worms eat him alive. If what you commented is what is being preached in your church, then xtianity is in perils. Then the battle against us is not from Muslims; rather, it is within ourselves. I now understand what Jesus meant when He asked whether h
He will meet faith on earth when He comes again.

alcoholic: one tin i dnt like about u guys, is the 'holier than thou' attitude,
i knw quite alrite that a denomination is nt a ticket to heaven and dat includes catholics, pentecostal has its short comings but dnt u dear speak to me about morals,..is it the hundreds of young infants dat are being molested by ur rev fathers on a daily basis, or is it seeking God through Mary which d bible frowns against, my dear catholics is one of d most complicated secret society of all time, i dnt want to even go into d various rituals performed during a funeral rites of ur pope, if u dnt mind i can give u a video proof...,catholics and their multiple standards.

from your comment, it is so GLARING you don't know the thinniest thing about the catholic church. I will not try to edify you; that will be a waste of time. Pls continue to believe whatever you like about The Church as long as it makes you feel better with yourself.

Concerning morals, you pple see us as bad and that is why you separated from us. We have never claimed we are good in any way. But you pple that claim to be good and led by the Holy Spirit; how come your behaviours aren't better than ours? Every sunday school child in the catholic church knows it is a mortal sin to abuse an elder. How come you who claim to be directed by the Holy Spirit never thought twice before abusing an elder? Only God knows how many vigils you would have attended and how many times hand had been laid on you. Yet your way of life doesn't change. So, where is the benefit of you pple separating from The Church?

Many of you don't even understand the meaning of th word "pentecostal". You just go to church to fill in space and dance to wordly-gospel songs.

You wrote that Pentecostal church has its challenges; from your comment, i guess you are one of the challenges.