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Rashduct4luv:
Who are they?

Jesus called them "the lost sheep of Israe"l, he didn't mention who they were.

Rashduct4luv:
and the meaning of the lost sheep of Israel?

The Israelites who have lost due to wrong practice of Judaism.

Rashduct4luv:
So why didn't Jesus Christ heal that women at first?

I told you it was not yet time for the gentiles. Jesus only had mercy upon her because of her humility.

Rashduct4luv:
Allah is the same God that created Adam and created all other human creatures from Adam.
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Saying Judaism has fault means the author of the Jewish scripture is an author of confusion!
how can a holy book have fault?

Moreover, Jesus said in Matthew 5:17

"Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.

Matthew 15:22-24 (KJV)

And, behold, a woman of Canaan came out of the same coasts, and cried unto him, saying, Have mercy on me, O Lord, thou son of David; my daughter is grievously vexed with a devil.
But he answered her not a word. And his disciples came and besought him, saying, Send her away; for she crieth after us.
But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

Now comment on the verses above!

You didn't get my point. I didn't say Judaism had fault, I said there was fault in the way it was practiced and that was why Jesus.came to correct it.

Jesus didn't abolish the law but came to fulfil it. And that is why Christians still believe in the law. The difference between the OT law and the NT is that the former was on paper and the latter is in the heart of Christ's believers.

Jesus ministry was first to the Jews and later to the gentiles. This is the reason he commissioned his disciples to preach the Gospel to all nations.

Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy GhostMathew 28:19)

Rashduct4luv:
You still dont get me.

The People of the Book are Jews and Christians. The children of Israel were suppose to leave Judaism for Christianity when Jesus came but some refused and were still Jews. When Muhammad came the Jews and the Christians were supposed to accept his message but some refused again.

These are the People of the Book mentioned. They heard of Muhammad's Message but they reject it. They are disbelievers!

The order is not Judaism to Christianity and then to islam. No, no no.

There was fault in the practices of Judaism, then Jesus had to come and make some corrections, which some Jews didn't accept. Some Jews didn't recognize Jesus true identity.

The people of the Book, especially the Christians have good reason not to accept Muhammad's messages because they had been warned about strange messages and false prophets.

Mathew 24:14
And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

Jesus told us in that verse that it is the Gospel that God wanted preached till the end of the world. The people of the Book, especially the Christians were not expecting any other prophets to come with messages that is not the Gospel. IT SAYS THE GOSPEL SHOULD BE PREACHED TILL THE WORLD WILL END.

Since Jesus said only the Gospel should be preached TILL THE END OF THE WORLD, it.shows Islam is NOT FROM THE FATHER WHO SENT JESUS.

Who is Allah the god of islam?

Rashduct4luv:
Calm down! We are having an intellectual discussion!

Our belief in Islam is that Allah gave us only one religion from the beginning of creation! The religion is Islam. There is nothing like Moses mentioning Judaism or Jesus saying he brought Christianity. The evidence for this are available in our Books.

To explain your last post in brief.

When Moses came for example, all his people were to follow his book from Allah. Those that truly submitted to Moses are Muslims.

When David came,the People would follow leave other revelation (if any) and follow his. Those that truly submitted to David are Muslims.

Same applies to all messengers even Jesus and Muhammad. Peace be on them all

Now, when Jesus came, some people did not leave the older scriptures and follow his message Injeel! Those that truly submitted to Jesus are Muslims.

When Muhammad came, some people did not leave the Injeel of Jesus and Taurah of Moses, etc to follow the Qur'an. Those that truly submitted to Muhammad are Muslims.

And finally, in a Muslim Country, the Christians and Jews are to pay a form of tax called Jizya.

One Evidence is this from our Book

Allaah says of Nooh(Noah) (interpretation of the meaning):

“And recite to them the news of Nooh (Noah). When he said to his people: ‘O my people, if my stay (with you), and my reminding (you) of the Ayaat (proofs, evidences, verses, lessons, signs, revelations, etc.) of Allaah is hard on you, then I put my trust in Allaah. So devise your plot, you and your partners, and let not your plot be in doubt for you. Then pass your sentence on me and give me no respite.

‘But if you turn away (from accepting my doctrine of Islamic Monotheism, i.e. to worship none but Allaah), then no reward have I asked of you, my reward is only from Allaah, and I have been commanded to be of the Muslims (i.e. those who submit to Allaah’s Will)’”
[Yoonus 10:71-72]

You couldn't answer my questions:

Qur'an 9:29 says the Jews and the Christians didn't accept islam, meaning islam was not their religion and it was a new invention by Muhammad. If the Jews and their prophets have been practicing islam,. Quran would not say they didn't believe in it.

That the Quran says the people of
the Book didn't believe in Allah means Allah was not their God. Wouldn't they believe in their God if it was Allah? The God of the people of the Book is Yahweh and that was why they didn't believe in Muhammad's Allah.

It is absurd to call the people of the Book who Qur'an 9:29 says didn't accept islam nor believe in Allah muslims.

The truth is Allah is not the God of the Bible. Anything the Quran says about what happened before Muhammad that is not in consonance with the Scripture of the people of the Book is falsehood.

Rashduct4luv:
So funny in fact i really laughed at this comment and this is expected from someone who doesn't understand the definition of a Muslim!
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A Muslim is one who submits totally to the will of Allah. It goes beyond being a Jew, Israelite or Arab. And Abraham, Isaac, Ishaq, Jacob, Moses, David, Solomon, Jonah, John, Joseph, Jesus, Aaron, etc were all Muslims.
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Each of these has a given way of worshipping Allah. It was only in our Qu'ran to perform Hajj to Mecca if one can afford it.
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To further explain to you, those people who believed in Moses during his time and followed him are Muslims.
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Same applies to others​ including Jesus and Muhammad. May the Peace and blessings of Allah be on them all.

The Jews and the Bible prophets were not muslims if Allah's word is anything to go by:

[Quran 9:29 Pickthal] Fight against such of those who have been given the Scripture as believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, and forbid not that which Allah hath forbidden by His messenger, and follow not the Religion of Truth, until they pay the tribute readily, being brought low.

[Quran 9:29] Yusufali] Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.

The above says "fight those who do not believe in allah, and follow not the religion of "truth" (islam). Who are those? The people of the Book, i. e the Jews, and their prophets and the Christians. How do you call those who do not believe in Allah and islam muslims?

If the people of the Book didn't believe in Allah and islam, what did they believe in? It is Judaism and Christianity respectively. That shows there was no islam before Muhammad.

Again, the fact that the people of the Book didn't believe in Allah shows Muhammad's Allah is not their God but Yahweh.

Rashduct4luv:
Yes, Allah created us and gave us the law! We believe all Prophets are Muslims calling to the worship of Only One God and forbidden ascribing partners to Him in any way! We believe to Allah the creator belongs the law for all His creations!
One is always bound by ones country! In a Muslim country one can practice Islam without islamophobic people unlike in mixed countries.
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The religion of Islam is for everybody!

All prophets muslims? This is not true.

Alhough Quran says Moses and other prophets were muslims but that is very untrue. Moses led the Israelites (Jews) away from Egypt, are you saying Moses and the Jews were Muslims? Was Judaism under Moses islam? The Quran talks about the Jews and Christians as people of the Book as different from muslims. Check Quran 9:29.

From Moses to Jesus, no prophets talked about Kaaba nor visit it to perform islamic rituals, how can you claim all prophets were Muslims? Those who were coming to Kaaba in the time of prophets in the Bible were pagans and.there are records to prove.this. Don't be deceived, islam didn't exist before the advent of Muhammad..

It may surprise you to learn that neither Abraham nor Ishmael stepped their feet in Mecca. The Bible tells us where they lived and died.

Rashduct4luv:
The problem is that Islam has a set of laws to rule a country successfully! On the other hand, Christianity has no laws to run a country successfully except it picks from the Jewish laws of the old testament. Some Christians wishes to copy Muslims by having a Christian court like the Sharee'ah court. I wonder where the law will come from? or will they forgive anyone that sins? What is the punishment for adultery according to Jesus?

Religion should be different from government because God's law is not the same as secular or goverment law. A country might not be made.up of only one religion. Does islam envisage that all citizens of a country must be muslims?

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Rashduct4luv:
It is proven that even if one dies without repenting from Adultery, Allah may still forgive him if He wills so far as he didnt die on Shirk. Only those who die on Shirk are doomed in hell.

In a land with rule & sanity, offenders are to face the consequences of their sins!

That is exactly what I mean. There is no forgiveness of sin in islam. Offenders must bear the consequences of their sins.

This is the reason islammic judgement is based on Muslims' good and bad.deed. If their sins are forgiven, there will be no bad deed in their records before allah.

But with Jesus, every sin confessed and repented of is forgiven and no more record of such sin with God. Jesus is very merciful and he is not interested in the death of sinners but that they come to repentance and be saved. A merciful God would not still kill anyone who regrets of his/her sins and repent of them. That is the nature of the true God.

I'm not talking about secular laws of nations based on human reasoning but God's laws and relationship with man through Jesus. He demonstrated this when he freed a woman caught in adultery. There was law against adultery at that time but Jesus showed her mercy.

Rashduct4luv:
She could have refused to come back to him but she came! she wanted the law to take its effect! And she was a true believer in Allah and His Apostle.

Why would anyone volunteer to die a painful death if he/she has the opportunity to be forgiven and let go?

Couldn't Muhammad pronounce her forgiven and let her go since she had repented? Must Muhammad kill her if she was ignorant she could be forgiven?

Note that there were other women Muhammad killed after repentance from adultery.

Doesn't that show Allah or Muhammad was nterested in the death of repented adulterers/adulteresses ? And.this proves you wrong that muslims who commit adultery will be forgiven if they repent as we.have samples of those who repented and were still killed.

Rashduct4luv:
He will be forgiven! But stoning is the prescribed form of punishment according to Islamic law!

Then, why was the woman killed by Muhammad not forgiven after she confessed and repented?

Rashduct4luv:
Clay without word is zero! The word is the major substance!

You are just playing to the gallery!

Adam was created from Clay, no father and mother.
Eve was made from Adam, no mother but has father.
Jesus had a mother with no father.
And others had both father and mother.

The word is present in everyone to function!

The issue of having father or not is not the point here. The truth remains that Jesus was not made from clay as the quran asserted. That is a minus for the quran.

Tell me from the quran where Eve was made from Adam.

@Rashduct4luv

Back to the OP, If a Muslim commits adultery but not caught, what will happen to him if he repents later? I have not got you clearly on this point.

Rashduct4luv:
How do think Adam was created? Moulded clay cant become man without​ "the word".

Surah Aal-e-Imran, Verse 59:

Verily, the likeness of 'Iesa (Jesus) before Allah is the likeness of Adam. He created him from dust, then (He) said to him: "Be!" - and he was.


And Jesus too came into existence with the same word "be"- and he was.

Jesus wasn't molded with clay. He was just the word but Adam was molded with clay. Isn't.that true?

One was molded with clay and the other wasn't, how are they the same?

Rashduct4luv:
Surah Aal-e-Imran, Verse 59:

Verily, the likeness of 'Iesa (Jesus) before Allah is the likeness of Adam. He created him from dust, then (He) said to him: "Be!" - and he was.

Like Jesus was a sign Adam was a sign! Jesus had only mother while Adam has no father or mother!

All miracles are signs from Allah

Jesus, according to the quran is God's word that became a baby in Mary's womb. Now, how was Jesus created from dust like Adam?

Adam was molded from clay (dust) but Jesus wasn't.

Rashduct4luv:
A miracle from Allah is a sign for all...

Moses splitting the red sea.

Jesus born with no father.

Adam created from earth no father or mother.

Jonah was vomited by a fish.

Signs for all...

Where is it said that Moses, Adam Jonah are a sign for all mankind and jinns as said about Jesus? Talk scripturally and not bring your own idea.

Rashduct4luv:
Truthwins talk true na!

The verse you Quoted is this!

And (remember) she who guarded her chastity [Virgin Maryam (Mary)], We breathed into (the sleeves of) her (shirt or garment) [through Our Ruh - Jibrael (Gabriel)], and We made her and her son ['Iesa (Jesus)] a sign for Al-'Alamin (the mankind and jinns).

simply put Jesus being born without father was a sign for Mankind and Jinns.This doesn't mean he was sent to them.

What concerns all mankind and jinns about Jesus being a.sign if he wasn't sent to them?

Rashduct4luv:
Simple Question that needs a simple answer!

Moses was sent to the Israelites so his message was for them. All Prophets were sent to a particular people except the final Prophet who was sent to all Mankind and Jinns! Each messenger with his own Book. (Abraham, Moses, David, Jesus and Muhammad (Peace be on them all) were given different Book for different people and different times.

Qur'an 5 vs 44

Verily, We did send down the Taurat (Torah) [to Musa (Moses)], therein was guidance and light, by which the Prophets, who submitted themselves to Allah's Will, judged the Jews. And the rabbis and the priests [too judged the Jews by the Taurat (Torah) after those Prophets] for to them was entrusted the protection of Allah's Book, and they were witnesses thereto.

But the Quran says Jesus was sent to all peoples, why would Muhammad be sent to all peoples too with messsages different from that of Jesus?

[Quran 21:91] And (remember) her who guarded her chastity: We breathed into her of Our spirit, and We made her and her son a sign for all peoples

Since Jesus was sent to all peoples (all nations), what is the need for Muhammad coming with messages inconsistent with the ones before him?

Rashduct4luv:
If you want to judge with Jesus's law, how will you judge someone who slept your wife or sister? You tell him to do it again right? Since Jesus preached turning the left cheek for someone who slapped u on the right cheek! Or You can just forgive him as you said! As far as i know, Jesus brought no law in the Bible. How do u judge murder, fornicators, adulterers, thieves, homosexuals, etc. No judgement from Christianity. But Islam has.

The Quran testifies to the Law of Moses as the Law of God. Why does islam have laws different from that ones given to Moses? Is islamic laws not from the God of Moses?

Rashduct4luv:
[b]If you are forgiven for a sin you may still be questioned for that sin on judgement day! [/b]Those who committs such sins and repents, their case is with Allah. He forgives whoever he wills and punishes whoever he wills.
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The meaning is as you said it but less literally. Everything that is to happen on earth has already been written in a book with Allah since Allah has absolute knowledge of everything! 50,000 years before Allah created this earth, he has written everything that is to happen.

When a sin is forgiven by God because the sinner repents, he/she has no question to answer anymore anywhere on that particular sin.

When a sinner repents and forgiven, he doesn't go through any form of punishment anymore anywhere.

It therefore remains a surprise why Muhammad should kill anyone who have repented and reported to him of his/her sin without being caught.

When a woman was caught in the act and brought to Jesus, he forgave her and was let go unpunished. The true God does not punish a repented sinner, which God did Muhammad represent? A god that kill a sinner after repentance cannot be the true God. It is the call of the true God for every sinner to repent and be saved.

Next !!!

Rashduct4luv


Lets assume a man killed another man intentionally without any reason. It makes sense if this man is killed in Islamic law for his crime . Why must he be killed since he can be forgiven and released to live peacefully. No, the law says he should be killed he killed a man. So adultery is similar to 'killing someone elses' bed. Can u forgive your wife if you caught her in bed with another man? This is serious in Islam! Some sins are with capital punishment in Islam.

So in islam, if a man or woman commits adultery, he/she has committed an unforgivable sin and must be killed.

What about those muslims who committed the same sin of adultery but not caught? What happens to them if they repent?

Allah created everything so he also indirectly created everything His creations create but He is not necessarily responsible for it. You were created but you do evil, can your evil be ascribed to God?
Allah knows all that will happen even before the earth was created and till it dies.

Muhammad said Allah is responsible for muslims committing adultery in the quoted hadith.

Read the cited hadith with understanding. It says "Verily Allah has fixed the
very portion of adultery which a man will indulge in and which he of necessity must commit".

The meaning: It is Allah that fixes the number of adultery a muslim will commit, which he must of necessity (whether he likes it or not) commit. This shows all muslims MUST commit adultery if Allah's word is real and believable. If this is the case, why should he punish any muslims who fulfill his word or desire by committing adultery?

I hope you do understand English quite well.

Rashduct4luv

The answer is evident already! That is the best form of repentance for adultery. The Punishment highlights the heaviness of adultery in the society! All sins can be be forgiven with sincere repentance and never going back to that sin. Allah would never ask for account from someone who was stoned for the sin of adultery on on the day of Resurrection when we all give account of our deeds.

You mean death is a form of repentance?

No, no , no !!!

When you repent of a sin, the true God is ready to forgive. You don't repent and still get punished.

Again, you failed to comment on Allah being the force behind Muslims committing adultery and still kill them for it.

Rashduct4luv:
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Alhamdulillah, YES ALLAH IS A JUST GOD!

How does that answer the questions asked by the OP?

Why do muslims kill a repented adulterer/adultereres, doesn't Allah forgive sin of adultery, especially after repentance?

Why would Allah cause Muslims to commit adultery and still kill them for it?

With the quranic quotes below, it is impossible for anyone to say with honesty that islam is a religion of peace.

Quran 5:51 Don’t take Jews and Christians as friends and allies

“O believers, take not Jews and Christians as friends; they are friends of each other. Whoso of you makes them his friends is one of them. Allah guides not the people of the evildoers.”

Is that a love or hate speech? If the muslims, Jews and Christians are not to live together as friends, that is an open declaration of enmity.
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Quran 8:12 Allah will terrorize unbelievers; Muslims should behead them

“When thy Lord was revealing to the angels, ‘I am with you; so confirm the believers. I shall cast into the unbelievers’ hearts terror; so smite above the necks, and smite every finger of them!’”

Is that a statement of love or hate? There is no higher level of hate than telling muslims to terrorize and kill their fellow humans.
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Quran 9:28 Idolaters unclean

“O believers, the idolaters are indeed unclean; so let them not come near the Holy Mosque after this year of theirs. If you fear poverty, Allah shall surely enrich you of His bounty, if He will; Allah is All-knowing; All-wise.”

Hate speech, no doubt. If we reverse the case and tell the muslims that they are unclean, they will raise up weapons.
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Quran 9:29 Fight and subjugate the Jews and Christians

“Fight those who believe not in Allah and the Last Day and do not forbid what Allah and His Messenger have forbidden — such men as practise not the religion of truth, being of those who have been given the Book — until they pay the tribute out of hand and have been humbled.”

A command to fight and force non-muslims not only to pay tax but also humble them is definitely not of love but serious hate.
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Quran 9:123 Fight the unbelievers, be harsh with them

“O believers, fight the unbelievers who are near to you; and let them find in you a harshness; and know that Allah is with the godfearing.”

I would want anyone to prove that verse encourages love in neighborhood

jonbellion:
The christians are always fond of saying that "carnal minds" can never understand the bible.
Well my mind must be be carnal then
2 kings 2:11
As they were walking along and talking together, suddenly a chariot of fire and horses of fire appeared and separated the two of them, and Elijah went up to heaven in a whirlwind.
John 3:11
No one has ever gone into heaven except the one who came from heaven--the Son of Man.(these were jesus' words)
I don't think you need a soothsayer to tell you there is something wrong here
What's your say on this christians
Hopfullandlord, Hahn. Lennycool, jackbizzle, benzics, lepasharon, liberadeus, immorttal, seun, randomperson, teempakguy, SirWere, Akintom
The christian crew

Elijah was not taken to the same heaven where Jesus came from. There are three different heavens.

Read further here:

https://www.ucg.org/bible-study-tools/booklets/heaven-and-hell-what-does-the-bible-really-teach/did-elijah-go-to-heaven

analice107:
You mean muhammed started a religion for God? Ahhhh.

But see what Islam is doing for mankind. See the rape and stealing going on in Europe today?

Allah must be proud of muhammed.

This allah sef !!!

He doesn't behave like the God who created all. He is a sectional god for the muslims.

mustymatic:
LoL
I won't argue with you

Surah Maryam, verse 36:
وَإِنَّ اللَّهَ رَبِّي وَرَبُّكُمْ فَاعْبُدُوهُ هَٰذَا صِرَاطٌ مُّسْتَقِيمٌ

(Jesus said) And surely Allah is my Lord and your Lord, therefore serve Him; this is the right path.

In what Book did Jesus make such statement when he was alive?

Besides, what were his other teachings in the Qur'an?

mustymatic:
Just like Jesus didn't speak directly in the bible
Is Jesus aware of the bible you are using now?
I'm not to follow Jesus directly too just like you, Moses
I believe in them
This isn't the topic sef

Huum !!!

You have forgotten you were the one who introduced this topic.

The direct words of Jesus were recorded directly as spoken by him. You would read in the Bible "And Jesus said unto them so so so and so" His disciples recorded his words as they were preaching along. You must now agree that it is only in the Bible we can find the teachings of Jesus, no other book, not even the Qur'an, contains his teachings.

mustymatic:
To worship The one and only God

Where did he teach that directly in the Qur'an?

Or is he reported to have said that in the Qur'an? If so, it means Jesus did not and could not have spoken directly in the Qur'an, which was formulated many years after his departure.

Okay, what did he teach on marriage in the Qur'an?

What did he teach on repentance in the Qur'an?

What did he teach on forgiveness in the Qur'an?

What did he teach on retaliation in the Qur'an?

What was his message on heaven in the Qur'an?

You must agree with me that he didn't stop on teaching "worshipping the one and only God" alone just like Muhammad didn't stop on that alone. He taught you guys on how and where to worship allah, how to go about fighting to spread islam, how many wives you can.marry, how to share war booty, how to arrange sleeping with your wives etc, etc.