₦airaland Forum

BeansAndBread:
Salam Aleikom,

Firstly, I'm not condemning any Sahabah, if you all read the article fully you would have known the position of the writer. He was replying a Shia who tried to say some sahabas thought of Ali(ra) to be better than Abubakar(ra), the brother just merely replied them. I saw that the post makes alot of sense that's why I pasted it here.

Secondly, I don't distinguish between the sahabas(ra), but we've to be sincere with ourselves. They all have different virtues, some have higher ranks than others, this is why the Prophet gave glad tidings of paradise to some!

That aside, we can clearly see here on Nairaland how some Shias openly vilify some sahabas, many of you here complaining now, do not stop or speak against them, but a post trying to clarify a matter is what you people jump on, May Allaah have mercy!

Thirdly, I don't curse the sahabas, but we have people who do it here on Nairaland who even go to the extent of calling Abubakar(ra), Umar(ra) and Uthman(ra) usurpers. You all need to speak against them, wallahi, Allaah is my witness that I don't curse any Sahabah. Brothers be just and speak against evil when you see it!

BeansAndBread:
^^Salam Alaikum, I'm not judging between them. This post is referred to those who curse and villify the Sheikhains! They are sahabas and their sacrifice to Islam cannot be forgotten!

BeansAndBread:
I don't even understand how `Ali can be better than Abu Bakr, the man embraced Islam without question while being in his thirties or late twenties, he had a wife and family, he had an important status in society and a lot to lose. `Ali embraced Islam as a boy around seven or eight per my research and per the popular opinion as well (he died at 58 at the year 40, do the math) he was living off of the Prophet (saw) and residing in his house. Abu Bakr spent his wealth on Islam and freed slaves and helped convert many of the major Islamic personalities to Islam. `Ali had nothing to offer at the time and he hid his Islam while Abu Bakr was the first to announce his Islam publicly. Abu Bakr defended the Prophet (saw) when the pagans assaulted him and got beaten up more than once for doing so, he had no weapons nor an army behind him. Abu Bakr risked his own family's life by ordering them to help the Prophet (saw) escape Makkah. `Ali was under the protection of his strong tribe. While Abu Bakr served as the companion and right hand man of the Prophet (saw), `Ali was maturing and became a strong warrior whose main contribution was on the battle fields, Allah even instructed the Prophet (saw) to consult Abu Bakr. Abu Bakr with a known weakness in his body still participated in battle and fought valiantly. The Prophet (saw) appointed Abu Bakr to lead armies, he appointed him as the first man to lead the Muslims to Hajj and teach them the rites and he appointed him to lead the prayer of the Muslims in his final days. When the Prophet (saw) died it was Abu Bakr who addressed the Muslims and handled the situation, it was he who calmed them down, it was he who instructed them on how to pray Janazah and how to bury the Prophet (saw), it was Abu Bakr who stopped the Fitnah that could have happened between the Muhajiroun and the Ansar, while `Ali did nothing except stay with his relatives in Fatimah's house. When he as a Caliph, Abu Bakr was the first man to collect the Qur'an, not `Ali as they falsely claim. Abu Bakr established the religious state officially and defended it from its enemies at a sensitive time when it was weak and the situation was chaotic. Abu Bakr only had three women and died not leaving much wealth, while `Ali had many wives (Fatimah, Khawla, Umamah, Umm al Banin, Layla, Asma', Umm Habib, Mukhbi'ah, Umm Sa`id) and a long list of mothers of children (nineteen female servants who bore him many kids) as well as vast lands (check his Will in Sunni and Shia books).

By brother hani

omenka:
News: Boko Haram raids Aso Rock, kills all soldiers and make away with the president- Nigeria tittering at the brink of collapse.

Source: olodojatijatiblogspot.net.

Wailing Cankerworms: we said it!! Buhari the durlard has failed!!!



News: Nigerian army intercepts and kills dozens of Boko Haram fighters.

Source: Vanguardng.com.

Wailing Cankerworms: APC and propaganda!!! Believe this and believe Mother Theresa was p¤rn star.


That is how they roll. Good news kills them inside.


Can't believe in under a year, Baba has transformed Nigeria into a country where lives are not snuffed out of people, and limbs are not severed on a daily basis as bombs go off every other day, week, and month as though the whole country is one gargantuan military training ground!

Thank you Buhari for making this possible.

We told them about your exploits with Maitatsine, but they were like "Tah!!!, you people think this is 1200BC??!!" But you have proven, regardless of the time and season, Mohamadu Buhari is Mohamadu Buhari!

God bless you and Nigeria continuously.
Sai Nigarian army jor.

AlBaqir:
There is no doubt that Imam Muslim was a student of Imam Bukhari. In ilm hadith, whenever you have same chain, obviously your primary source is or Must have been the same.

Besides, there is no Win-Loss here. Both Aimmah to Ahlu Sunnah are Thiqah (trustworthy) and their respective books are equally Sihahu (authentics). If you sacrifice one for the other, then there would be problem.



Please try to read books on ilm hadith. I believe you will find many on pdf at least. In fact, there is an hadith (funnily its also on Khalifah Umar) about the case of Mughirah ibn Shu'bah who committed adultery. There are lots of chains to the hadith and there matn (content) differs a bit (whereby one gives more info than the other). In such case, you need to bring all of them together provided they are all sahih, to derive the full story.



Making it two promises now
May Allah guide you and us. I shall be waiting.

AlBaqir:
Exactly. Now observe brother. Imam Muslim (d. 261 H) was an understudy student of Imam Bukhari (d. 256 H). Imam Muslim had access to all his teacher's primary books of references that's why both their Sahih contain similar ahadith (both sanad and matn). And Alhamdulillah both are Sihahu in line with Sunni ilm hadith. So, obviously Imam Bukhari or whoever compiled it erased the phrase. There are lots of reports like that when you compare both with same sanad.

There is no conflict whatsoever in the two report. Its a situation whereby one is detailed than the other. Let me cite example in the Quran. Sura al-Baqarah and many other suwar, Allah says "We command the angels to bow down for Adam, all of them bowed down except Iblis". However, surah kahf:50 gives additional info when Allah says "...and he (Iblis) was a Jinn..." This phrase complement other ayah and clarify them. This is part of Tafsir of Quran using Quran. And like I submit earlier, the text of Bukhari clearly reveal there is a missing link unless we are to sacrifice Ammar for being too forward, and Quran condemns that.

Are both not sahih

mightyhazel:
lame!

BETATRON:
I'm not drifting sir but you apparently didn't read a lot into the article....a major reason why umar should be the most knowledgeable is to enable him "issue correct verdict on all types of religious questions and disputes"...clearly stated in the write-up....and the article showed the wrong verdict umar issued hence questioning and casting a mammoth shadow on the validity of his kalifah

AlBaqir:
Sorry! What do you mean more than one narration?

Bukhari and Muslim documented the same sanad (chain).

One did tahrif (distortion) to his own, the other left his own as it is.[\quote]
The tahrif could be in either of the two. We can't really say which one.
[quote]However for the sake of argument, lets say the report has different chains. One report is however detailed than the other (as in the case of Buhari vs Muslim), the fact that both chain are authentic, then you need to use the detailed report

Now, udatso and Empiree, I can understand the urge to defend esp a big fish. But its a lost course. Reports are just too many against him overruling the law of Allah and His messenger.

1. Imam al-Nasai documents:

Muḥammad b. ‘Alī b. al-Ḥasan b. Shaqīq – my father – Abū Ḥamzah – Muṭarrif – Salamah b. Kuhayl – Ṭāwus – Ibn ‘Abbās:
I heard ‘Umar saying, “I swear by Allāh, I forbid you from Mut'ah (of hajj) while it certainly is in the Book of Allāh and the Messenger of Allāh, peace be upon him, practised it.” He meant the performance of ‘Umrah during Ḥajj.

‘Allāmah al-Albānī says: It has a Sahih chain.

Source: al-Mujtabā min al-Sunan (Ḥalab: Maktab al-Maṭbū’āt al-Islāmiyyah; 2nd edition, 1406 H) [annotator: Muḥammad Nāṣir al-Dīn al-Albānī], vol. 5, p. 153, # 2736
Online: www.sunnah.com/nasai/24 Kitab al-hajj, Book 24 hadith 2736


2. Muḥammad b. al-Muthannā and Ibn Bashār – Muḥammad b. Ja’far – Shu’bah – al-Ḥakam – ‘Amārah b. ‘Umayr – Ibrāhīm b. Abī Mūsā – Abū Mūsā:

I used to give fatwas in favour of Ḥajj al-Tamattu’. So, a person said to me, “Exercise restraint in delivering some of your fatwas, for you do not know what the Commander of the Believers has INNOVATED in the Ḥajj rites during your absence.” I met him subsequently and asked him and he replied, “I know that the Messenger of Allāh, peace be upon him, and his Ṣaḥābah performed it. But, I hate that the married persons should have intercourse with their wives under the shade of trees, and then set out for Ḥajj with water trickling from their heads.”

Source: Ṣaḥīḥ Muslim (Beirut: Dār Iḥyā al-Turāth al-‘Arabī) [annotator: Muḥammad Fuād ‘Abd al-Bāqī], vol. 2, p. 896, # 1222 (157)

Imam Ahmad in his musnad and Imam Nasai in his Sunan also document this hadith - online source: www.sunnah.com/nasai/24
Kitab al-Hajj, Book 24 hadith 2738

Interestingly, here is the report of Imran ibn Hussein:

3. Imam Nasai again disclose:

Ibrahim b. Yaqub - Uthman b. Umar - Ismail b. Muslim - Muhammad b. Wasi - Mutarif:

Imran b. Hussein said to me, "The Messenger of Allah performed Umrah and Hajj together, and we performed Umrah and Hajj together with him, and whoever says anything different, that is his own personal opinion"

Source: online source: www.sunnah.com/nasai/24
Sunan Nasai, Kitab al-Hajj, Book 24 hadith 2739

NB: Trust me brothers the above are just tip of the iceberg.

Quran says:

[33:36] Al-Aḥzāb: 36
"And neither a believing man nor a believing woman has (this) right that, when Allah and His Messenger have given judgment (or a command) about an affair, they should exercise their own choice in work of theirs. And whoever disobeys Allah and His Messenger certainly loses his way into open error. "

Narrated ‘Abdur Rahman bin Abza: A man came to ‘Umar bin Al-Khattab (may Allah be pleased with him) and said, “I became Junub but no water was available.” ‘Ammar bin Yasir (may Allah be pleased with him) said to ‘Umar, “Do you remember that you and I (became Junub while both of us) were together on a journey and you didn’t offer Salat (prayer) but I rolled myself on the ground and offered Salat? I informed the Prophet (peace be upon him) about it and he said, ‘It would have been sufficient for you to do like this.’ The Prophet (peace be upon him) then stroked lightly the earth with his hands and then blew off the dust and passed his hands over his face and hands.” (Bukhari H: 338; Muslim H: [818] 110 – (368) narrated by Shaqiq; Tirmidhi H: 144 graded Hasan; Ibn Majah H: 569; Nasa’I H: 313)

MasterofNL:
I am not saying that all fulanis are terrorists what I am trying to say is that the fulani is responsible for the killings going on around the country or do you dispute that as well?

The fulani is responsible for the forth deadlist terror group in the world today, deal with it.

MasterofNL:
Why are you like this?

Bottom line is that the fulani is responsible for the fourth deadliest terror group in the world.

Can't you see that the escalated violence is to get other Nigerians to quickly accept the proposed grazing bill

Directly or indirectly, the fulanis are responsible for these armed attacks agianst the MB and south. The attacks may not be carried out by local traditional herdsmen but one thing I have discovered is that once they have any issues with any community concerning their cattle, they invite their armed brothers from Fouta Jalon who invade and sack the community.

Please carefully read through my second post on this thread.

BETATRON:
to be continued in shaa Allah

anigbajumo:


He said: “It was very hot last night (Sunday night) and people were sleeping outside. Around 10 p.m., the chief moved into his house with his family. Then some gunmen who our people said were Fulani, stormed his compound and started shooting.



Who are those yer people??

Till now no one has came out with concrete evidence that these people are Fulani.No grazing of Land saga and no confrontation between madaki and these herdsmen, why assuming it was Fulani herdsmen??

Fulani killing Fulani with no iota reason??

It is 100% absurd to blame Fulani herdsmen in this criminal activities.

capip120:
Omenka is an inconsequential and in-effectual Buffoon, a never do well Doramus who has sold his concience for a gourd of gworo and palm wine.

Martins301:
Some years back, I was standing right in front of my school gate (a federal uni), I just logged online to read some news via opera mini. I opened VANGUARD NEWS and the first headline I saw was that my school's gate has been set ablaze. I was dumbstruck. I never recovered from that experience and till this day I DON'T BELIEVE ANYTHING FROM VANGUARD NEWSPAPERS.

That aside, I discerned the pattern Omenka described above a long time ago. I have grown tired of calling Seun's attention to people trying to use his platform to destroy Nigeria. If not for the bold step he took against the Biafran propagandists, Nigeria would have been boiling now. They have resurfaced again and this time, it is the Fulani tag they have chosen to use. Why? The president is Fulani and they hate him and the North where he comes from.

It is like everything that trends. It will die a natural death if ignored. Let the Nigerian Press as represented continue to serve junk to the public. I am not dumb. I go into the street everyday and I engage folks in discourse and I tell them the TRUTH. The truth that Vanguard and her cohorts wants Nigeria to fall apart. The truth that Vanguard and her cohorts are directly and indirectly spearheading another civil war with their ethno religious highly flawed reportage. The scorge will die a natural death and Nigeria will still stand great.

God bless Buhari
God bless the Federal Republic of Nigeria

Yorubasgreat:
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It's "vituperations","misinformation" and its oozing when it does not serve your purpose..
The funny ones are not yet born...

vanbonattel:
The best president of Africa, Goodluck Jonathan. He had an opinion after the incident. Even if it was wrong. What do we have now? An incompetent old man who is totally unaffected by the suffering of Agatu people. Never even visited, C P of police even denied any killing as didn't see corpses in Agatu. The nation is cursed with the worst leadership with APC blundering and bungling everything.

ShineuEye:
You care about the truth but it seems you don't care about human lives otherwise you said nothing about the attrocities only to speak out for the voiceless Fulanis.
Who speaks for people of Agatu then?

omenka:
You guys should stop trying too hard to sell a lie. At no point did any "international community" designate Fulani Herdsmen as "2nd most deadly" terrorist organisation. What GTI said was Fulani Militant Group but you guys and the press have twisted it to "Fulani herdsmen"

www.independent.co.uk/news/world/africa/global-terrorism-index-nigerian-fulani-militants-named-as-fourth-deadliest-terror-group-in-world-a6739851.html

So, since one encounter allegedly confirms they are Fulanis, it means the rest unconfirmed incidents were carried out by fulanis also?? Is that what you are saying??

Are all drug related crimes committed by Igbos?? The answer is an emphatic NO!!

Criminal profiling never helps any community mr. That is the message I'm passing across.

wowmenow:
a very bad day for omenka
i feel your pain

wowmenow:
Frustrated zombies nobody will read your rubbish

analice107:
Which Translation will that be? Could it be the Gospel of Barnabas which was written by Muslims some years ago?
Hey, i didn't join NL yesterday. You guys Pick Scriptures and Twist them shamelessly to appear to be referring to muhammed even when those Scriptures are pointing to Jesus. When Jesus came, You started lying again that Jesus promised to send a comforter who is Muhammed to kill off all His followers. Make shame cash you Kwanu.
Every Character in the Bible has a replica in the koran. why? Allow the Christians to find relevance from the koran even for once. Let me try to convince someone that indeed what muhammed said about Jesus is true, abeg nah.

analice107:
hahahahahahaahaha. Muslims and their small mindedness. I put something up to you, you blatantly slide it, but turn around and put it up to me? How Babyish can you be.
Christians are not the ones crying trying to make the world accept Jehovah as the same as Allah. But Muslims can't stop trying to fix Muhammed in the Bible and crying for the world to accept Allah as God. Never in my Christian walk have i ever even by mistake thought Allah and Yahweh to be the same.
Its good you have attested to the fact that they are indeed different deities. Let your Muslim Community hear it.

ALLAH IS NOT JEHOVAH.
JEHOVAH IS THE GOD OF ABRAHAM ISAAC AND JACOB.
ALLAH IS AN IMPOSTOR SEEKING FOR ACCEPTANCE.
Only the insecure fight to be accepted. if Allah is God, his people wont need to kill people for Allah to be accepted.
am done honouring you with responses.

ypeace:
In the actual sense of it, I did not answer his question. This is because his question shows that he does not comprehend previous post or he is just looking for an arguement which I am not ready to waste my time on.
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For example, his very first 3 questions goes like this:
1. You are saying that according to the Koran, Christians are those who blasheme?
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Exactly what was clearly in the post he quoted, he still asked this question. This made me wonder if he comprehends the post he quoted.
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2. What do they blaspheme?
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I could have answered this but in his third question he wrote:
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3. EXECEPT OF COURSE you are saying that christian blaspheme against christ?
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The third question looks more of rhetorics that a question. It started with 'except of course'. May be he doesn't actually understand what his statement implies is that he is already answering the second question in form of a third question and asking if I agree or disagree.
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Therefore, I ignored his question because:
1. We don't seem to use the same English.
2. He already assumes some answers as shown in his third question above.
3, He sometimes assume in knows more than me and also knows what I could say for example: in his first paragraph after the three question. He clearly stated that muslims are twisting this out. May be he doesn't know, but what this implies is if I should state anything which doesn't conform to his residual knowlege, it will be a 'TWIST OUT'.
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My conclusion: his line of thought calls for re-orientation or argument. I don't have the time to do either. So I opted to Ignore his questions.

udatso:
Lol. You are so funny........i am not the one trying to prove that Allah is Jehovah in Islam. But Allah is Jehovah in Christianity according to your Bible translators. First of all as a Muslim, I do not believe in Jehovah Or Yahweh as been Allah as described by the Bible.
If your answer is yes to all the following, then I agree that Jehovah is Allah in Islam :
chapter 112 sura
In the name of God, the Gracious, the Merciful.
1. Say, "He is God, the One.
2. God, the Absolute.
3. He begets not, nor was He begotten.
4. And there is nothing comparable to Him."

analice107:
Fine, Now you have taught us that Allah is the same deity as Jehovah right? Since its just a matter of name, it goes to say we can both pray to the Him calling him both Allah and Jehovah.

Now say it, Jehovah is Lord. say it.

if you don't, it there means you know deep down that Allah and Jehovah are not the same deity. its not a matter of names but Modus Operandi.

ypeace:
A 'typical muslim' will define Christians as misguided humans not those who follow christ. Example of those who follow christ to a muslim is king of Abyssinia who muslim met there when they migrated from mekkah. Another example is the uncle of Khadijah......................
1. This shows the difference between those who follow christ and christians.
*Bible to muslim contain words of other humans. Injeel is God's word put in the mouth of Jesus. A mixture of both is not Injeel or Muslim's bible.
2. Clearly, what a muslim's bible is different from christian's bible.

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What you deduced from, what you used in deducing and what you deduced is based on using your own definition. A debate on your deduction is a waste of time if terms used mean different thing to the debaters.

ypeace:
The definition of terms is one of the various reasons why religious arguements extend beyond reasonable lenght on Nairaland.

Your own definition of 'Christians' is those who follow Jesus. A muslim's definition of 'christians' is in the first part of that same verse you quoted which is those who blasphame........................................... Here, 'those who follow Jesus, christains, those who blasphame needs definition'.

The verse you quoted states that 'those who follow' Jesus are superior TO THOSE WHO REJECT FAITH (seems you do not consider the last part in your deductions from the verse)
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I don't know about you, but some christians do not consider Jehova withness christians.... Leaving us with what does christian mean.


*The above is in direct link with the the verse you quoted.*

Also, you used some terms in what you infer from the verse. E.g you assume that the Injeel (given to Jesus) is the Bible.

The Bible vs Injeel; those who follow christ vs the disbelievers (those who reject faith vs those who blasphame and christians.......

As long as your definition of those terms is not in agreement with what muslims define them as, any arguement on the verse is a waste of time.

analice107:
So can you a muslim pray in the name of Yahweh? Go ahead and Said it.

There is no other God but Jehovah.

If you cant say it, know that no matter how much you try to pin Allah on Yahweh it wont work.

Satan wants to he worshipped as God, he has succeeded in bringing up Islam, worship him, but helping Satan lie that he is Yahweh is the Lamest thing ever.

People like you cant make me break a sweat.