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Imagine yourself having sex with that girl in the attached picture of this thread...

Are you saying gods and idols (that gave the instructions to marry underage girls) were primitives too and do not know the different between left and right just like their primitive followers?

Has those gods and idols become civilised along with us human too or we've left them behind in their primitiveness?

budaatum:
I would never be dumb enough to enroll on a stupid course that asks an ignorant question like that in an exam, since most societies have evolved past that point.

Even Nigeria with its Islam, and Iran and Saudi Arabia, frown on the marriage of 9 year olds in the 21st Century, and also condemn the outright genocide of the men

Are you feeling guilty or what? Why are you showing me a story of another barbaric act.

If you want to discuss about the other barbaric acts, you can open a new thread and invite me. I'll not be distracted by this your act.

If you were ask this question in an exam, is that the answer you will give?





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budaatum:
This is 2025, and not some dark age in the 6th-7th AD!

Evolve your mind please.

1. Can you marry a girl who is just 9 year old?

2. Can you give out your daughter who is 9 year old to a man of age 50 in marriage?

3. If you catch a neighbor having sex with a 9 year old, what will you do?

4. If you discover that your mentor ( whom you highly respect) was caught having sex with a 9 year old girl, how will you react?

Please, let's have your opinion on this topic, I will be needing your opinion for academic work in the future.

<sub>Shoutout to Mr. Sterope (my friend), I want you to also add your contributions to this topic.

Note:
1. the girl attached in this picture is a 10 year old; So a 9 year old girl will be younger.
2. The man is a middle age man</sub>

The tape was edited and a lot of people have already confirmed its fakery. This is the same way they decieve you with miracle and spiritual experiences in religion.

Now go and watch the video one more time
1. Focuse on the shadow on the wall. You will discover that part of the shadow disappear when the supposed man disappeared.
2. The same thing happened to the shadow of the policeman on the floor which also disappear as it was cut along with the removed part.

However, where is the normal timestamp that alway come with cctv recordings?

The video was doctored and both the mopol man and the bank staff are complicit in the crime.

SMH

IslamVIRGINS:
https://m.youtube.com/shorts/gKyTMA9ma1g

Juju no dey work Oya watch dis video

And the ussual rhetoric. SMH


Internet has exposed a lot of lies we've been told. Told that people record even when they sneeze, why is it difficult for you to bring a video link.

IslamVIRGINS:
Let me refer you to baba for village make him test something for your body

Maybe I'll need to read your previous contribution one more time. And come back to edit this my reply...

Qasim6:
Yeah, once you get exposed for your nonsense, u play the nonexistent Taqiyya card.

Did you substantiate that 9 Idols are mentioned in the Quran or blindly copy to paste?

Here are examples of mentioning of idols in the quran.

1. Surah An-Najm (53:19-20)

The Quran mentions three among prominent idols of pre-Islamic Arabia:

"So have you considered Al-Lat and Al-‘Uzza? And Manat, the third—the other one?"
(Surah An-Najm, 53:19-20)

Al-Lat, Al-‘Uzza, and Manat

2. Surah Nuh (71:23)

"And they said, 'Never leave your gods and never leave Wadd or Suwa' or Yaghuth and Ya'uq and Nasr.'"
(Surah Nuh, 71:23)

Wadd, Suwa', Yaghuth, Ya'uq, Nasr.

He points out that although many idols were honored in Mecca, Allah was distinct as the creator and sustainer.

Except you've not been taught by your quranic teachers that Muhammed (while still young), his father, his grandfather and his Quraysh tirbe (among other beduoin tribes) were 100% paganist and idolator or you're just trying taqqiyah on me whether it will work. Now go back and read what you wrote slowly and logically with the new info that they are %100 paganists and idolators.

Explore2xmore:
I wonder if you are seeking peer review or poking fun.

Did you substantiate that 9 Idols are mentioned in the Quran or blindly copy to paste?

Al-Waqidi’s works focus more on the Sirah (biographies of Muhammad) and early Islamic conquests rather than on pre-Islamic theology.

Waqidi does not explicitly state that Allah was one of the 360 idols in the Kaaba, as one might envision the physical statues and idols worshipped by pre-Islamic Arabs. Instead, he implies that Allah was among the deities revered by the polytheistic Arabs, but not in the same manner as idols like Hubal, Al-Lat, Al-Uzza, or Manat.

While Al-Waqidi's writings mainly concentrate on early Islamic history, they have faced criticism regarding their reliability. Some of his narratives may be shaped by later theological views or misinterpretations. There is no clear and widely accepted assertion from Al-Waqidi that Allah was an idol; such a statement would contradict the core monotheistic message of Islam which denounce idol worship and promote belief in the One God.

The claims that Al-Waqidi suggested Allah was just another idol among many, must be a misunderstanding or oversimplifying his work.

Waqqidi acknowledges Allah as a major deity within a wider polytheistic context, without equating Him to lesser idols. He highlights Allah’s importance as a primary deity worshipped by certain tribes, especially the Quraysh. He points out that although many idols were honored in Mecca, Allah was distinct as the creator and sustainer.

His writings illustrate how various tribes honored different idols, while also noting that some people called upon Allah for particular needs or in times of distress. This reflects a nuanced relationship between monotheistic beliefs and polytheistic practices.

Share a Youtube link of just one video to backup your assertion about efficacy of juju or an existence of a spirit.

IslamVIRGINS:
Your mumu is legendary! Juju don't work, no spirits, ect

I will not honor by replying those who are trying to divert my attention on this thread. They left the message to attack the messenger.

I expect them to critic what I wrote but they have decide to to attack me instead.



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Mo sese n mu eye bo lapo ni. Emi ati Sterope ti ti ese bo sokoto kanna.

Have you help me fing Taqqiya

Qasim6:
You just wasted your time to create a thread, When there are Hadith that outrightly forbid mut'ah.

Did u not make a diligent research?

Ali b. AbiTalib reported that Allah's Messenger prohibited on the Day of Khaibar the contracting of temporary marriage with women and the eating of the flesh of domestic asses.

All these fake imported religions have destroyed the normal mental processes of a lot of our people.

If you are following any of the two religion, you should know for fact that:

There is no heaven, there is no hell, there is no God (or god), there is no Allah, there are no angels, there are no demons, there are no spirits, there is no life after death, juju don't work, there is no eternal judgment, there is no karma, there was no historical Jesus. All those are figment of human imaginations and tools use by a very few some to control the very many others. The earlier you understand and accept these facts as facts, the happier and merrier your life and existence will be.

The religion you're currently claiming is the religion of your parents, if you were born into a different family of another religion (say Hinduism), that is the exact religion you will practice.

You were born without a religion in you, your factory reset has no religion in it. If you were to be a phone and they do factory reset on you today being a phone, there will not be anything found related to religion in your settings, files and file systems anymore; you learn religion only after your birth growing up.


Islam is idolatry and paganism, Christianity aswell is idolatry - All the world religion is idolatry, including all the Abrahamic religion. Holy communion is idolatory, bowing for a stone call Kaaba of the Bedouin tribes is also idolatory, killing of rams is idolatory, kissing or licking of a stone at mecca is idolatory, throwing of stone at pilgrimage is idolatory too.

Infact, Illah is what the Arabic call God and not Allah. Allah was one of the diety been worshiped before the invention of Islam. That is why muslims will say something like "la ilah ila huwa" meaning Allah is one Illah (God). Have you ask yourself why Prophet Mohammed's father who was an idol worshiper and who lived before the invention of islam has Allah in is name Abdullai== Abdu Allah? It is because Allah has been an idol worshiped by paganists before the Prophet received his revelations.

All Abrahamic religion are idolatory, they only package them well and condemn your heritage as evil, whereas, Nigeria was better in terms of morality, honesty and integrity before they brought the foreign religions.

In peace loving, emotional intelligence, love for neighbor, respect for sanctity of life, we are even better than those who brought those religion with primitive leaders whose morality and characters are highly questionable.

SMH

budaatum:
I've checked your threads, and your constant posts about religion do not support your claim of being irreligious.

As for paining me, a book can not be fake, even if its content is all lies. Its how you understand those books that makes them fake or real for you.

I'm irreligious. Get your fact straight.... Go through my posts here.

I know it pains you that I'm exposing the fakery of religions.

Updated: My use of the word "irreligous" was whimsical. There is no God or gods, angels or spirit any where. There is no heaven, there is no hell, there is no life after death. These are figment of human imaginations. There is no proven existence beyond the physical. And if you want me to use the word atheist, Yes! I just don't like being tagged.

budaatum:
What's annoying is you religious people constantly warring with each other, which you wouldn't do if your own god was not a pagan, which is what your god becomes if you can't obey the instructions it gave you!

Post it in the Islamic section if you are not afraid of being challenged.

It is never abolished, they still practice it today. They do it even during hajj in Mecca.

TV01:
Mutah is practiced mostly by the Shia sect. Although widely condemned by the majority Sunni' faction, they practice something similar called misyar. Is there evidence for "abrogation"?


TV

Why are you afraid of the truth coming out. If there is any lie in what has been written, point it out and stop being a coward.


I was challenged by sterope, and the game is already on.

Muslims say "we are not paganist", but then go ahead practising paganism and idolatory.

budaatum:
Please go ask your question in the Islamic section if your intention is not preaching to the choir that thinks Islam is pagan.

You'd get answers there.

https://www.nairaland.com/islam

And this space too

Let me keep this space

Islam Is Idolatry And Paganism?

Historians like Vaqqidi have said. Allah was actually the chief of the 360 gods being worshipped in Arabia at the time Mohammed rose to prominence. Ibn Al-Kalbi gave twenty-seven names of pre-Islamic deities. From the Qur’an itself, we can name up to nine of these idols. The Ka’bah, housing many of these gods, has remained the temple of Allah and which Muslims revere and go to worship and kiss in the Mecca during the Hajj. It is significant to remind ourselves that even if a Muslim is not in Mecca, he has to face the direction of this shrine, Ka’bah, while praying every time. History says pagans in Arabia had been visiting Ka’bah on pilgrimage centuries before Islam started at all. Foreign merchants and Arabs faced the Ka’bah in prayer because that was where most of their gods were deposited. Many of the gods were brought by these merchants from their countries.

Interestingly, Muslims want to accept that Mecca was already being worshipped at this Ka’bah shrine in Mecca by Arabs and pagans before Mohammed came. They do not want to accept the fact that even the ways hajj was being performed in those days by the pagans: the shaving of hair, the running around the Ka’bah, the kissing of the black stone, the sacrifices, etc.

Some Muslims get flared up when they are confronted with these facts. But history is not on their side. Pre-Islamic
literature has prove this. In the Quran itself, we see that pre-Islamic pagan Arabs made their strongest oaths in the name
of Allah because they believed he was the most powerful of their gods (Surah 6:109), He was already regarded by the pagans as the creator, the lord of the shrine, the lord of Ka'bah, and the territorial god of the city of Mecca. Ka'bah was also known as "baithu'llah" ("house of allah". All other idol shrines in other regions in Arabia were also called "baitullah'. Mohammed said he had been called to worship "the Lord of this house (that is the shrine of Ka'bah)" (Surah 106:3; 27:91; 6:109). In that Surah 27:91, Allah was called "the Lord of this city (Mecca)". That means he was a territorial god. That is the reason for the pilgrimage, and the reason why every Muslim must face the direction of Mecca while praying. If he faces elsewhere he knows he is not facing Allah.

Apart from Allah, other major deities being worshipped by these pagans of Mecca are Al-lat or Allat (which is the Islamic goddesses, the feminine form of the word "allah". The other female idols being worshipped at the time are al-Uzzra and al-Manat (Surah 53:19-20), and they were all being worshipped inside the Ka'bah. According to Al-Tabari, the gharaaniq (female idols) were even regarded as daughters of Allah. Other popular idols were Wadd, Suwa, Yaguth, Ya'uq, Nasr, and Hubal which Muhammad's wife, Khadijah, too sacrificed to and worshipped because her sons to Mohammed were dying young (Surah 17:23; See also the book, The Life of Muhammad by Egyptian Islamic scholar, Mohammed Haykal (p.69).

One other proof that Allah was already being worshipped as an idol in Arabia is the fact that Mohammed's father was called Abdallah or Abdullah, meaning "the servant or slave of Allah", and yet he wasn't a Muslim! He was an idol worshipper, and was named after that idol.

Some have taken this to mean that Allah must therefore be almighty God. But What this can only prove is that Allah was alread known in Arabia to be a supernatural being. It is NOT a proof that he is God Almighty


TO BE CONTINUED

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Book reverence: Who Is This Allah?
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Previous threads
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1. Mut'ah: A Divine Prostitution
2. Kaaba Of The Bedouin Tribes
3. Islam Is Idolatry And Paganism?
4. Can You Marry Or Give Out Your 9 Year Old Daughter In Marriage?

In Summary: The thread discusses Mut'ah marriage, a temporary union in Islamic tradition allowing a man to marry a woman for a specified period in exchange for money, without formalities like witnesses or registration. Historically practiced in pre-Islamic Arabia, it was later permitted by Prophet Muhammad, as referenced in Islamic texts and supported by some scholars using Surah 4:24. Critics argue that Mut'ah complicates Islamic laws on adultery and prostitution, undermines Sharia, and contradicts even Biblical moral teachings, raising questions about its divine approval. The practice remains controversial and widely debated within and outside the Muslim world.

I hope sterope and friend will have something to say about this Thread.

JIC

2025

There is no place for terrorism in Oyo state.

Activities of all the top Islamic clerics should be well monitored, especially those that publicly agitated for the establishment of Sharia court in the Southwest.

Their phone calls and sms should be monitored. Also, source of money entering and leaving their bank accounts should be well monitored and traced.

This my writupe may seem stupid and biased, but it is what it is.

Our forests should be also be under constant surveillance by aerial scanning.

If you harbor or invite terrorism into the Southwest, you will soon be exposed.

Yoruba

Yoruba

SMH

mmsen:
There is no morality in a capitalist system. Likewise fairness or kindness.

Orsu people should not hide the criminals living among them. If you see something, say something!

The Federal Government should please help intensify effort towards the security of life and properties of the Orsu people.

He should be made to reveal the identities of his colleagues.

Again, all these expositions are in response to sterope probes. I already told her I will not like to argue or debate about anything, but yeah, the game is on already.

I heard many people converted from Islam after returning from pilgrimage just for this one reason.

Many foreign journalists complain annually of prostitution in Mecca during hajj, it is because they don't understand the divine backing of what goes on.

Even with stringent terms of Sharia which stipulates that an adulterer or fornicator be executed. If two people are caught in an affair and brought before the Islamic court and they say they were only doing mut'ah, the jurisdiction will have less or no power to sanction them.

What is Mut'ah?
If he is a traveller, a tourist or a pilgrim, the faithful Muslim may have some other temporary 'wives' at strategic places wherever he lodges. This "marriage" is known as mut'ah or the law of "Desire" or "pleasure".

Mut'ah marriage may last for one hour or as long as the man desires.


I will update with details later.
Now Updated:::


MUT'A: DIVINE PROSTITUTION?

Again, if he is a traveler, a tourist or a pilgrim, the faithful Muslim may have some other temporary 'wives' at strategic places wherever he lodges. This 'marriage' is known as mut'ah or the Law of Desire. The word mut'ah means 'desire' or 'pleasure'. Mut'ah marriage may last for one hour or as long as the man desires. Some regard as an example of the kingdom of Allah on earth, especially, under Khomeini. Since the Sharia, the Islamic legal system, became fully operational in Iran in 1979, mut'ah has been revitalized. Many Iranian women (most of them divorcees) are engaged in mut'ah for economic sustenance. According to a research work done by an Iranian woman, Shahla Haeri, mut'ah flourishes in Iran and Egypt today. Some Islamic scholars in Iran believe that one is even free to contract many mut'ahs at the same time—apart from the four wives and slave girls or house-helps the Muslim man may have at home.

Historian Burkhardt has pointed out that mut'ah was already prevalent in Arabia before Mohammed started his preaching. The custom was that a host would normally offer a female relative of his to his guest for the night. The 'marriage' ended the following morning or as long as the guest stayed there. When the practice became fully developed in Islam, it became an arrangement between a man and an unmarried woman, preferably, a virgin, divorcee or widow in which the partners specify in advance the period that the relationship shall last and the amount of money to be paid by the man. Witnesses are not required nor parents involved; the marriage need not be registered. By mutual agreement of the partners, this 'marriage' can last from one hour or as long as the partner want. At the end of the agreed time, the temporary 'spouses' part without any formality or divorce ceremony.

The woman, after separation, must abstain from sex for two months to know who actually fathered the child that may result from the acts. This practice is common, especially among tourists, pilgrims, and visitors. With such a provision, one does not have to travel with one's wife to avoid adultery.

A modern Muslim who grew or was educated in America or Europe may contend that mut'ah is just an invention of some weak Iranian or Egyptian men and not an approved practice of Islam. Let us consult on the Islamic authority to lay the matter to rest. Commenting on Surah 4:24, Al-Razi, one of the greatest Islamic thinkers, says:

Mut'ah marriage involved a man hiring a woman for a fixed term in exchange for a specific amount of money for a certain period of time to have sex with her. The scholars agree that this Mut'ah marriage was authorized in the beginning of Islam. It is reported that when the Prophet came to mecca to perform 'Omrah, the women of Mecca dressed up and adorned themselves. The Companion (that is, the followers of Mohammed) complained to the Prophet that they had not had sex for a long time, so he said to them: "enjoy these women".

In the Hadith Mishkat-ul-Masabih, we read:
Ibn Mas'ud reported: We were fighting along with the Messenger of Allah while (our) wives were not with us. We said, 'shall we not undergo castration?' The Holy Prophet forbade us from that. Afterwards, he made lawful Mut'ah Marriage. So all of us married a woman for a fixed term in exchange for a cloth. Afterwards, Abdullah (i.e., servant of Allah, Mohammed) recited: O those who believe! Do not make unlawful the good things which Allah has made for you. (Surah 5:87)
(Mishkat, Book 2, Hadith no.115).

That means the revelation of Allah recorded in that Surah 5:87 quoted in that Hadith came to give a divine approval on Mut’ah. If Allah is the one that gave these instructions through Mohammed, we need to ask if indeed Allah is the same God that reveals Himself in the Bible, or he is the Olodumare that the Yoruba know. When every year foreign journalists complain of prostitution in Mecca during the hajj, it is because they do not understand the divine backing of what goes on. To the Christian, all this automatically nullifies God's clear injunction: "Thou shalt not commit adultery." To a Muslim, such a commandment is vague. Mut’ah makes the words ‘adultery’, ‘fornication’, and ‘prostitution’ very difficult to define. It makes a mockery of the Islamic legal system called Shariah which stipulates that an adulterer or fornicator be executed. If two people are caught in an affair and brought before the Islamic court and they say they were only doing mut’ah, how would the jurists disprove them?




(Steropes pushed me into these topics and I'll help him/her with more than enough)
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Book reverence: Who Is This Allah?
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Previous threads
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1. Mut'ah: A Divine Prostitution
2. Kaaba Of The Bedouin Tribes
3. Islam Is Idolatry And Paganism?
4. Can You Marry Or Give Out Your 9 Year Old Daughter In Marriage?

mmsen:
Point 10 contradicts many of the earlier points.

How?

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Examples of moral values include:

1. Honesty – Being truthful and transparent.

2. Integrity – Acting consistently with one's moral principles.

3. Rspect – Treating others with dignity and consideration.

4. Kindness – Showing compassion and empathy.

5. Responsibility – Being accountable for one's actions.

6. Fairness – Ensuring justice and equality in interactions.

7. Courage – Standing up for what is right, even when it's difficult.

8. Humility – Recognizing and respecting one's limitations and others' strengths.

These values help individuals contribute positively to their communities and develop a sense of purpose and fulfillment.