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It's called hypnotism. Also, many people's education is questionable--stative knowledge is different from procedural knowledge, which requires critical critical-thinking and thorough understanding/education. Other category of intelligent people who pay may know the truth, but they are using the payment to buy access to those Bishops who romance with Powers and Princes and can influence decisions and get them contracts. IYKYK.

emmanuelewumi:
I still don't understand how those guys succeeded in scamming the so called educated, intelligent, knowledgeable and informed Nigerians.


At the end of the day, their spouses and children will inherit the business whose stock in trade is imaginary hope, motivation, miracle, breakthrough etc.

Apologies, I don't converse with people having comprehension issues. When you have mastered the art of comprehension, you can come back for a conversation.

zendi:
So the country/continent is retrogressive, because of "irrational thinking and senseless" practices like tithe paying/collecting by those who wish, while Europe which brought us Christianity, tithe paying and collecting by those who wish, is progressive even though they're still in those practices.

So, remind me, from which village in Europe did you migrate to Houston?

Donald Trump's deportation squad has my permission over you, not to harm you, but to bundle you back here to repeat your home training.
But if they choose to rendition you to El Salvador, still nothing too bad.
They will only teach you there how to enter another man's country legally.

Don't forget to start your warped rebuttal with "Lol".

Chief Emma, this is 100%. Fela sang it:

"Suffer, suffer for world
Enjoy for Heaven
Christians go dey yab
"In Spiritum Heavinus"
Muslims go dey call
"Allahu Akbar"
Open your eye everywhere
Archbishop na miliki
Pope na enjoyment
Imam na gbaladun"

But the magas must pay. One should only pay where there is accountability or help the truly needy directly.

emmanuelewumi:
My take

Agbalowomeri:
Eii🙆

You don really old for here

Facts only. Philosophy connects us.

Lol stop tagging me in all the senselessness. This irrational mentality is why the country/continent is retrogressive while rational European countries are progressing, yet you crave for all the products of their rationality. LMAO. I see, Africans were not giving birth before your European masters came to show you how to give birth in the hospital. If your brain (rationality) is not suspended you cannot be worshipping in most of those places you call church in Nigeria. Please stop already.

Valthegreat:
God is a 'spirit' and as such can not be worshiped with 'rationality'. If christians don't contribute their moneys how will their churches be built and maintained?
I am very certain that one person or more among you, your father or mother was born in one Saint this or that hospital, or attended one Saint this or that Primary or Secondary school, have you for once asked yourself how that hospital or school could have been built if the white people that contributed their monies for missionary purposes then were very 'rational' thinkers like you?

Be gentle with your lamba now lol. You did that c.2014-2015. I was here when you did.

Agbalowomeri:
Just 1992 here? Me that finished my PhD in 1981

Ego ni e. You still think you're older than me? Don't let me invoke Awo Hall+aluta spirit on you.

SonofElElyonRet:
Omode yi o baje gidi gan

There you have your answer. The rule is: The higher the risk, the higher the return. Your capital may be at risk with the fintechs, so they need to attract you with higher rates. By the way, that won't be on treasury bills but on their on in-house managed funds (mutual fund, cash deposits, etc.)--they cannot offer TBills rates above the CBN primary market offerings.

Jeoma2024:
Why does fintech give more interest than traditional bank

Fintech interest are always high but I am scare of investing with them

How safe is fintech in term of treasury bill

You don't sound like one of us, I would have welcomed you with the Great Ife anthem. You probably spent most of your time on campus fellowshipping (getting brainwashed) at the Sports Center if indeed you attended Great Ife.

SonofElElyonRet:
I graduated from OAU Ife in 1992. I take that as a compliment

Who did we strike, who's crying? You're displaying the same mentality that politicians worldwide capitalize on to manipulate the masses. They know you don't have the critical thinking needed to look deep into the root of anything, just jumping into an arena and taking sides without understanding the origin of a discussion. I don't remember quoting you or talking to you. As I said earlier, I won't keep engaging you and your type and thereby allow you to insult the common sensibility of this group.

essentialone1:
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You are beginning to sound like another @RogersAkpamu

Please, if you are too old to find your mates on this platform, visit the nearest mortuary. You will find your mates there.

We are all here to make money from the stock market.

If you believe that you are already too rich to want to make more money, then quietly exit the thread. No one will miss you here.

Lol you're young, boy. It's a faceless forum.

SonofElElyonRet:
SpaceX junior

Hey enough, boy. Do you think I'm after the kobo kobo you're after. When I already finished my first degree, did NYSC, and started working professionally, you were probably still in one "Alambra" market thinking how to finish your apprenticeship and expecting your "oga" to settle you. When did you join this thread? Too young to know when Ihedioramma and born2brich were active here. I was here when @Agbalowomeri himself joined. You that joined with a similar moniker to the real streetinvestor is here making noise for your boss. Be careful, son.

Only Yoruba people who are old and versed enough to be your elder in Igbo culture can interpret what Agbalowomeri means in Yoruba the way I did. That should reset your brain. Now, stop all these nonsense--I won't respond to your comments any further.

Streetinvestor2:
Lol.You see what I was saying. Instead of you to be looking for how to make money. You are interested in English. How many of your English people can write in igbo.Abeg how old are you.I guess you are one of this teenagers from nigeria that want to be oyinbo. Is obvious they still send you money from here for your problem to be written English at this time Africa should be thinking of how to discard all this foreign language....you fall my hand
Is that why your moniker is usa2019
.I won't be surprised that is the yr you arrived your heaven called usa.It is well Mr Americana

I hope you sabi FA or TA abi na follow follow gang you dey.I will like to see your American sense in nigeria stock market discussion. going forward.Don't attach too much emotions to my post as you said earlier about church matter..lol

Every single response of your keeps revealing your shallowness. Your deductive reasoning is appalling. I don't engage your type, sorry. Good luck to you. It's a faceless forum, and I cannot be wasting my energy on you. By the way, it's called "all standards", not "all standard". That's one of the standards that you have. LMAO

Streetinvestor2:
That last statement says it all.You think leaving in America is classified as achievement. You are obviously a poor guy by all standard.If leaving in America was yard stick for wealth I think I should have achieved it 30 yrs ago.I have grown pass looking for money to eat food and pay bills long ago.I am in the stage of adding to generation wealth. That first stage was long ago achieved by my late father..lol.

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Don't send your children overseas, better still keep them under your roof forever because the moment they're exposed to the truth, they'd be the most deviant/uncontrollable.

You're a bad judge! After all my visible attempts to dismiss their tantrums, I'm still the one derailing this thread? You're not so different from Nigerian politicians and judges!

megawealth01:
But you have derailed it already

Lol that's how they always end it: Abuse! I'm not surprised and won't descend to your level on that. You'll be alright. Let me know if or when you've saved enough money to visit here in Houston.

Streetinvestor2:
So with the agidi in your head called brain. You think I am irrational because it is your money I am using. And you think you are enlighten and empowered.
Guy if you no get money. Face watin bring you come stock market. Na poor people sabi advice the rich how to spend thr money pass.The money spent in church is the reason of poverty in the country. Go and hustle abeg.

Good luck. I won't engage because this is not a spiritual center. We're here to gist on making more money.

zendi:
Believe it or not, you're right about brainwashing.
My brain is washed and re-programmed with the Blood of Jesus Christ and it's affecting me super positively.

I'm telling you. The next two decades will be very interesting. The drama will be epic! So, you too get share for the business? May your old man live long, but you should remember me in your kingdom when the time comes.

Agbalowomeri:
The next generation will leave church just as European churches are empty. When they start seeing children inheriting their fathers' churches, that will mark the end of all the deceit. Before you come for me, my father owns churches

Lol I'm more spiritual and know God more than you. I do not blame you, it's the brainwashing that's still affecting you.

God that is a spirit does not need food or a house--he doesn't live in houses made by human hands. You're only supporting your pastor's real estate business by paying to his church, which his children will inherit. Wake up dude, it's already happening before your very eyes--Jimmy Odukoya is a perfect case study.

zendi:
Haha, you for tell me teh teh say you be atheist so we for respect your life philosophy and move on to talk other things.

GOD IS A SPIRIT.

But He has people who receive things for Him and eat things for Him and use money for Him etc.

Show me where I asked you or anyone else not to pay. My statement is unambiguous, but I'm not surprised at your response--tithe payers are mostly emotional, not rational beings. My statement is that tithe collectors are "takers from the poor", whether the poor pay willingly or otherwise is another ball game entirely. However, if they are enlightened and empowered, most won't pay.

Streetinvestor2:
The giving in church of any type is a personal thing. No one is forced to do it.IF you don't buy it,it is good and fine.And if another has faith in it and does it.That should not be your business. As an adult ,what you do with your money should not be anyone concern.I personal believe in Contributing to the growth of church whr I join other brethren to worship God in materials and finance
Some say church is a scam while I say traditional/idol worship is the biggest fraud....different opinion Therefore do what your faith accepts and leave others to thr own.You are not in any position to judge if it is wrong or right.All men to his faith.

Of course, I'm a material scientist. Lol Most of the people who do these days benefit from the system or are ignorant. Take it or leave it. I emphasize Nigeria because it's my home country and the most important to me, also because most of the shady practices you have in Nigeria is not found in other parts of the world--China won't allow you infest their peoples' brain with illogical religion, Rwanda here has a well-regulated church system where you can't be a pastor without first having a master's degree., the list is endless.

Reverends and Pastors are not Levites--They can only be by being born into the tribe--There is no way to twist that. There is no need to spiritualize non-spiritual things--the early church did not practise tithing, which was only introduced and enforced in the 6th-8th century (civil law by Charlemagne, the Council of Trent, the Second Council of Macon).

However, I never asked anyone not to pay tithe—after all, it's their money. My statement was that tithe collectors are also "agbalowomeris" whether the "meris" pay willingly or not. However in a saner clime, fewer people will pay because they know better.

zendi:
You must be extremely materialistic to think I cannot defend a church practice except I'm a beneficiary in some way. And the way you repeat these your "Nigerian Tithe Collectors", are they absent in other parts of the Christian world ?

Anyway, the Levites and Priests of old are the Reverends, Pastors and Church workers of today and are perfectly qualified to receive tithes . What you need is a spiritual understanding of Scripture, and not to read it like an ordinary story book.

I'm glad that that makes you feel good, take it to the bank and cash out.

SonofElElyonRet:
Ok. Capitulation accepted

Agbalowomeri:
He's the son of Eli though

That makes sense now. So, he's a primary beneficiary next of kin of a tithe collector.

You'll realize how lame all your write-ups about this topic are at some point in the future. Until then, kindly bookmark this message. I don't have the time to argue on trivialities that don't add to my portfolio.

SonofElElyonRet:
That's a lame response

So Nigerian pastors take it to God? Show me God's account number they pay it to. I need to set up a direct deposit.

SonofElElyonRet:
The issue is not the seed of tithe but the soil of the church.. God's work requires money.. you can't claim you love God and not honour him with your substance. In the new testament Christ didn't oppose tithe but said we ought not neglect weightier issues of mercy etc
Matthew 23 v 23
[23] Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.

The tithe you consume is different from the one you offer to God. The former is for your personal benefit and pleasure.
The measure of giving in the new testament with all due respect is greater than the old testament. Members of the early church gave massively even selling houses land etc (Book of Acts of the Apostles).
Like I said, the issue is, are you giving in a genuine church applying the money for God's house, work and also has an outreach for the less privileged?

PETERiCHY:
The SCENARIO you PAINTED is the REASON the RICH will keep getting RICHER while the POOR will keep getting POORER.

When PASTORS needs MONEY they ask CONGREGATION to CONTRIBUTE, when CONGREGATION needs money, PASTORS will ask them to PRAY.

Let the TITHE GIVERS keep giving and the TITHE EATERS keep eating, last last all of them go dey alright.

BARGAIN HUNTERS TAKE NOTE ✍️

100% well said.

zendi:
Stop looking at tithing with carnal eyes. Once you drop your tithe in the collection box, stop expecting it to be redistributed back to you like Oando shares. It should no longer concern you whether the money is looted by the pastor or church workers. Turn your eyes completely away unless you belong to the committee appointed to handle the money.
Your reward for the tithe will locate you where and when it matters most to you through channels known or unknown.

There was food crisis in the land and God directed hungry Elijah to a poor widow in Zarephath for feeding. The woman complained that she had only one last meal in the house for her and her child before they starved. But Elijah ordered her to go and prepare something for him first, out of that little.

Now, I'm referring to your accusation that Nigerian tithe collectors collect from poor members without redistributing. At this point Elijah had no visible sack of beans to give back to the woman. And I'm sure if you were there, you would have called Elijah a heartless Agbalowomeri. But when the widow obeyed, she was made the richest person in Zarephath.

It is a problem of faith. Reward for your tithe comes through God's chosen channels and not necessarily through the people you handed the tithe to.

Lol you're really funny and sound like one of the tithe collectors or one of their beneficiaries.

Tithing is an Old Testament doctrine and has nothing to do with Christianity. Any Nigerian collecting tithe is utterly unqualified to do so in the first place because he or she is not a Levite, who are the qualified tribe to collect it because they had no portion in the promised land. Levites were to feed from the grains and animals brought to the temple as tithes. Also, tithe was meant to be paid on farm produce only, not on other forms of income or money. The Bible stipulates that you consume your tithes in the temple, so show me how Nigerian tithe payers consume theirs. Are people who cannot pay tuition for their children to attend a university they co-sponsored eating their tithes?

Let's not even go there, Christians are not bound by the law meant for the Jews, not gentiles like you and I. The Nigerian "Agbalowomeri" Tithe Collectors know the truth but must still milk the poor to sustain their flamboyant lifestyle. None of them even has the power of the prophets. This is not a topic you want to discuss--we should not derail this thread.

Trust me, they are among. The early Church collected and distributed equally among the brethren in the Acts of the Apostles, but the Nigerian collectors take from their mostly needy members through various schemes and means (psychology, scaring, fake miracles and testimonies, etc.). What the tithe collectors do is exactly what the Yoruba call "agbalowomeri". Of course, the others you have listed rightfully qualify for that title too.

zendi:
We have bad actors in abundance:

Armed robbers,
Ritual killers,
Land grabbers,
Wife/husband snatchers,
Official funds looters.
Thieves & scammers.

But tithe collectors are not among.
Nobody is forced to pay.

The guy is not too different from our Nigerian tithe collectors. IYKYK.

zendi:
merciless too.
you wan kee pesin

No be me talk that one, but it's 100%.

zendi:
unscrupulous
heartless
wicked
barbaric
likely, even sadistic.

chai, hope it all ends in the market.

The oruko nro this one o. The name deep gan ...

SonofElElyonRet:
Very sinister name.. never reckoned... Hope oruko o ni ro o

Agba taker and obtainer. Enimo o ko, eniko o mo.

Agbalowomeri:
Yes o; old taker