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i am sorry but i think you seem to have your wires crossed here,its really bemusing to me that on one hand muslims reject the totality of the new testament preffering the old testament,however i guess someone must have read and re read the bible and realised that they can get away with a small part of the new testament,dont worry i predict many years from now,muslims worldwide will see the futility of islam and just agree to be christians and believe the whole bible its easier for you if you think about it 
of course he has not come to destroy the older laws,the question you should ask is
what exactly is he trying to fulfill ? remember it takes a "fore-telling" for him to "fulfill"? so what exactly is he fullfilling,what has been foretold about him by prophets in the old testament notably john the baptist.
he has come to fullfill his sole mission on earth which is to reconsile us with the ultimate goal of his father, which was sidetracked by adam and eve committing a sin, the notion is that it wouldnt be fair for us to suffer condemnation for a sin we did not take part in committing hence jesus came to wash the old sins away and then leave on a clean slate so we will have no excuse on the day of judgement
to prove to you that jesus christ meant being born again let us look at the righteousness of the pharisees and the saducees,and the similarities and differences with islam?
the difference is that they are both different religions,including different doctrines e.t.c the similarities however is in the ritualistic mode of worship,intolerance,you both dont believe in jesus christ,you both dont believe in uncondittional love,you are both governed by the law rather than the lord's righteousness,you both spread the falsehood that jesus christ was equated with GOD the purpose of doing so for the saducees and pharisees was to discredic the man and the religion while for muslims mohammad spitting out his bib like a spoilt 2 years old baby because he was not recognised as a prophet e.t.c while being born again entails giving up every single thing and most importantly exceeds the righteousness of the adore mentioned religions
you are quite right and we christians thank you for highlighting this pertinent biblical verse,but he has already fullfilled the foretold,he is not fullfilling a law but a prophecy or"fore telling"
jesus christ never taught the unity of allah sire,that is not only erroneous fabrication the likes of which can only be found in the quran,its funny yopu guys never use buhddism, and other religions to validate your islam just shows the sneaking admiration you have deep down for christianity.like the popular saying the greatest form of complementing is counterfeiting
you are right,the bible even says prior that a christian must never worship or associate any GOD will the almighty,this is why we advise you muslims to stop bowing down to the sun,the moon and the kaaba e.t.c
you are right,"my own GOD almighty is one GOD,HIS ONLY BEGOTTEN SON is a smaller GOD to him and the holy spirit which is leading,encouraging and empowering us contemporary christians in the abscense of the apostles and jesus christ makes the third,yopu can call the holy spirit the managing director
sire,it is totally unfair to blame your crass ignorance of the scriptures on chrisatians "jesus the SON OF THE ALMIGHTY GOD IS A SMALLER GOD COMPARED TO HIS FATHER, is paddy adenuga not a general manager same as his father but with less powers??you get the analogy?remember abacha's son using the presidential jet by virture of being the president's son he might be wielding his father's power but he will never contest the fact that he is under the influence of his father
again,do you derive some macabre enjoyment in all these blantant lies and falsehoods?how can you make such a blanket statement of falsehood??
we believe we have ONE GOD,the almighty,his son the fact that we believe jesus is the son and the fact that the same son,declared that he has come on earth "TO FULLFILL THE WILL OR THE COMMANDMENT OF HIS FATHER" HE TOLD US IN ANOTHER VERSE THAT HE CAN "INTERCEDE ON OUR BEHALF WITH HIS FATHER, he never said he can command his partner GOD almighty interceding means that he will plead on our behalf, you dont plead with someone you are on equal footing with do you?exactly,
i will show you trinity once you show me where mohammad or allah was mentioned in the bible fair? he did say he and his father are one,
john 10;30---30I and the Father are one."
john 10;38--38But if I do it, even though you do not believe me, believe the miracles, that you may know and understand that the Father is in me, and I in the Father."
that has proved to you that he believed in the one ness of him and his father now i will show you the bible verse where he reffers to the 3rd in the triune the holy spirit,
i just had to quickly show you this verse and how your suicide bombers are killing christians with the hope of fulfilling a religious duty---1"All this I have told you so that you will not go astray. 2They will put you out of the synagogue; in fact, a time is coming when anyone who kills you will think he is offering a service to God.
7But I tell you the truth: It is for your good that I am going away. Unless I go away, the Counselor will not come to you; but if I go, I will send him to you. 8When he comes, he will convict the world of guilt in regard to sin and righteousness and judgment: 9in regard to sin, because men do not believe in me; 10in regard to righteousness, because I am going to the Father, where you can see me no longer; 11and in regard to judgment, because the prince of this world now stands condemned.
12"I have much more to say to you, more than you can now bear. 13But when he, the Spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all truth. He will not speak on his own; he will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is yet to come.
now check these verses and show me which of these functions the holy spirit has not been performing in the contemporary church
1st corinthians 10;4----4and drank the same spiritual drink; for they drank from the spiritual rock that accompanied them, and that rock was Christ who was christ if he was not reffering to himself
56Your father Abraham rejoiced at the thought of seeing my day; he saw it and was glad."
57"You are not yet fifty years old," the Jews said to him, "and you have seen Abraham!"
58"I tell you the truth," Jesus answered, "before Abraham was born, I am!"
note that he never said "OUR FATHER" ABRAHAM but look at verse 58, how could he have been before abraham if he was not christ,now you tell me what that means sire
i have many you just ask for it and i will oblige you
i thank GOD that you have just shot yourself in the foot,so now it is totally obvious that while he reffered to himself as GOD as you can see from the verses posted he acknowledged the supremacy of his father.so what is your point
again i put it to you sire that you are not correct,first of all prostrating to pray is a sign of acknowledging the pre eminence of whoever you were talking to,are the pre colonial yorubas then muslims or got their inspiration from islam for prostrating to their king and elders?prostrating cuts across all cultures,religions e.t.c secondly why dont you show us jesus christ prostrating to pray EVERYTIME he had to pray, like the confusionists that you muslims are,you look for a random place where he prostrated and tried to over blow it to suit your nefarious purpose.
41He withdrew about a stone's throw beyond them, knelt down and prayed,
so what is your point?? is prostration the exclusive preserve of muslimssire you are hillarious maybe the yorubas should send copyright royalties to saudi arabia each time they prostrate.
there are different ways of praying because the bible says there is liberty in worship here is another form of prayer in 1st timothy,
8I want men everywhere to lift up holy hands in prayer, without anger or disputing.
lastly, modern men of GOD,when overwhelmed by the holy spirit either in worship or intercession prostrate and even roll on the floor does it automaticvally make them muslims? that means pastor adeboye must be a muslim in disguise
im sorry but i will still reiterate that in your haste and earnest wish to validate your fake religion with the truth of jesus christ,you have sought to sacrifice truth for falsehood,but we christians will not allow you to tarnish and turn our bible on its head.
the same way he didnt use the word trinity is the same way he never mentions allah or mohammad or makes any reference to them save ambiguous reference you muslims have sought to make, i have shown you bible verses up there where he explains the notion of trinity and i challenge you to disprove them.he is all of the above and more,
6Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. 7If you really knew me, you would know[b] my Father as well. From now on, you do know him and have seen him."
8Philip said, "Lord, show us the Father and that will be enough for us."
9Jesus answered: "Don't you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, 'Show us the Father'? 10Don't you believe that I am in the Father, and that the Father is in me? The words I say to you are not just my own. Rather, it is the Father, living in me, who is doing his work. 11Believe me when I say that I am in the Father and the Father is in me; or at least believe on the evidence of the miracles themselves. 12I tell you the truth, anyone who has faith in me will do what I have been doing. He will do even greater things than these, because I am going to the Father. 13And I will do whatever you ask in my name, so that the Son may bring glory to the Father. 14You may ask me for anything in my name, and I will do it.
i hope i have suceeded in curbing your ignorance of the scriptures sire as all you have written is total falsehood apart from the bible verses you have helpfully posted
again what the yorubas call "awawi" na today the demonic spirits begged him to send them into the pigs sire there was nowhere he ever enjoins anyone not to eat pig in fact apostle peter was specifically told never to call anything his GOD created unclean in view of my retorts i earnestly believe that jesus christ was never and will never have any association with islam,save the fact that he associated with everybody pharisees,saducees,gentiles,muslims buddists e.t.c
by the way-his message is not only for us christians,it is for islam as well babalawos satanists e.t.c we want you all to give your life to christ as jesus christ himself said the only way to enter into the kingdom of his father is TO BE BORN AGAIN
i would have been abusing and cursing you now if i was a muslim,but i will just patronisingly say that you are sadly mistaken and wrong my friend looool he was making a clear and unambiguous refference to fake prophets and teachers not christians what do you have to say about his assertion that except a m,an be born again,he shall not see the kingdom of GOD BY THE WAY""
IS BEING BORN AGAIN IN THE QURAN?
WE SHOULD BE,CONSIDERING THE FACT THAT APART FROM HIS GRET WORKS,teachings signs and wonders e.t.c his moral uprightness,the frugal austere life he led,intolerance and live full of uncondittional love and devoid of luxurious is worthy of emulation i cannot find any single man of GOD who has being a ble to match living the kind of life jesus christ led.i really feel for you and i understand why you dont see that as important considering that the only single individual you can speak of or look up to namely mohammad,was a man who indulged in serial hedonism,boderline paedophilia,snatched his own step-son's wife loved perfumes food, he robbed and st5ole from innocent maccan traders,he plotted assasinations he killed in cold blood he was intolerant and objectified women so in view of that kind of moral record i understand why you dont seem much to emulate in his life
again sire i disagree with this falsehood,racial pride and nationalism was never an issue because even though he was born a jew,he said that he came for both gentiles and every single person he never discriminated against anybody and he even consorted with prostitutes remember the parable of the good samaritan,who was thew samaritan that helped the jew?a gentile he was preaching and re iterating the importance of mutual tolerance,peaceful co existence unlike mohammad who preached hatred intolerance and bloodshed that has been plaguing the world ever since, we not only value the message a.k.a the good news we value the man it came from because of his exemplary life both spiritually and morally
quote author=Suhaibu:
Jesus pray to God; christians pray to jesus. Christianity is a religion of paul constructed against jesus.
yes,he prayed to GOD while on earth,and then ascended to meet his father in heaven as soon as he did the same day the holy spirit came like a tongue of fire(the comforter) and descended on the first christians the christians now pray to GOD and if they have to rebuke any unclean or demonic spirit they do it in jesus name l;ike he has said we should do clearly written in the bible
it is the muslims deifying of mohammad that i am at a loss of,if not can you show us a picture of mohammad
why not if you dont see him as your god??it is only GOD who is unseen,so how come you have ascribed that honour to a mere human being mohammad?
hwy do you muslims kill and blow people up when they critisize mohammad,is he not an ordinary prophet?so why kill in his name if you dont see him as a GOD?
you canno9t mention his name without saying (s.a.w)in reverence i can say jesus christ from now till tmorrow without any fear even though i totally respect and acknowledge his pre eminence over me so who exactly is deifying the other? jerry springer potrayed our own jesus christ as gay and wearing nappies,we founf it offensive but we didnt fight or kill because of our convictions that he is perfectly capable to prove himself GOD what do you do when people simply name a teddy bear mohammad in a nursery school?
you call for the woman to be beheaded
im sorry sire jesus was never a muslim and could never have been you are on about my own pale,jehovah el shadai,king of kings the rose of sharon,the i am that i am,beginning and the end algbada ina alawotele oorun my king of kings who is onderful,two deful threedeful in fact uncountabledaful abeg o re package mohammad if you are looking for a new role model no one forced him to live the kind of life that he ledxxshalom Sir I hope you will treat this issue with utmost respect. 1. Can you research for yourself the meaning of Islam 2. Can you identify for us the core teachings of Jesus Christ (AS) and all the Prophet before him? Please if you can do these two things, then reply with your answers. Thank You |
Religion / Re: Must We Be Christians Or Muslims To Make Heaven? by walslm: 12:14am On May 30, 2016