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DuttyChuks:
He go hide him face!

You didn't read the thread, did you?

😂😂😂 una dey ignorant gaan

essentialone:
Let me guess. You did not graduate with 1st Class. And even if you did, you certainly did not do well in English comprehension, why in school.

Go back and re-read the post you are responding to.

The issue has been discussed over and over on this thread. The issue with people like you is that you don't read, you just pick one conversation and try to ride on it..

You have been noticed too like your fellow attention seekers

xandy84:
First, nothing is wrong with me. Second, I never said good grades is bad. All I am saying is some degree is worth less when it did not confer distinguished skill to it holder. Lastly, I have a skill trade and even then I am a PhD holder, I work with my skill not with my degree cos it pays more. You need to learn to express yourself without insult. Peace.

You're shifting away from the conversation, I don't have anything to say to you.

maestroferddi:
Are you an APC supporter?...cos you are acting like one ..

Just noise with scant regard to common sense and critical thinking...

The point being made is that Western societies celebrate value and relevance and not optics which the din on graduating with a First Class appears to amplify...

Look at the notable figures both from science, politics and faith that that Western societies eulogize: They are people who left indelible marks in the sands of time to foster momentous changes and breakthroughs in human history...

Not sounds and fury that signify basically nothing...

You said nothing. But you have been noticed.

Funny how none of you gave instances of the over celebration, you see how the herd mentality is affecting all of you?.

You are giving instances of notable figures in western society, if they are not being celebrated and hyped, will you even know who they are? If their achievements are not written and passed down, will you be able to hear what they did?

Enough people and myself have discussed the issue of what you guys call *over celebrating* or whatever words you and people like you what you use for it— it's all cultural, it's what we do as Nigerians regardless of our achievements. But you're skipped those conversations because you're too lazy to read it all.

You guys will pick western countries as benchmark for a country like Nigeria, you're not different from the so called leaders we have.

I'll just be blacking folks like you who can't read the whole conversation and pick one to die one, it's a depressing trend on this thread and I won't entertain people like you anymore

Ushame:
I graduated first class


It no big deal

No one cares If you did or not..because it's not a big deal to you doesn't mean others shouldn't celebrate it...

You're part of the problem we face..zero context awareness

Omoawoke:
It’s like someone saying they need a surgeon with 10 years prior surgical experience

Biko, must they tell you to bring your qualifications 😂

There are professional jobs that you cannot just get without a minimum qualification

The funny thing is that this is an industry I have a strong experience and networking …
Lol, we go for conferences and all and networking and I’ve never come across anyone in my life wihtout at least a BSC and baba dey use google argue with me what’s happening in real life 😂😂

He even called me an academia😂😂😂..very funny guy..he's just arguing with different points, bro went from saying we shouldn't celebrating first class degree to University degree isn't valid again😂😂😂..

I've had a good laugh with your back and forth with him, he's one weird guy😂😂..I'll hang around in the thread to watch him display

Omoawoke:
Now I see exactly what you did there, and I like you now


Now listen, let’s discuss like friends so we can end this constructively

Just because a bachelor’s degree wasn’t explicitly written in the job posting does not mean it isn’t an expected qualification.

The key requirement in every one of those postings is prior investment banking experience. That’s where your argument falls apart. Investment banking is one of the most credential-driven professions in finance. The overwhelming majority of people get into it through the traditional route. : a bachelor’s degree, internships, then analyst roles.

So the omission of “bachelor’s degree required” in a few job adverts does not prove that JPMorgan hires investment bankers without degrees. It simply means HR didn’t repeat what is already the standard pathway for the talent pool they’re recruiting from.

And I like you touched on investment banking because it’s one of the careers with strong database of their employees… to give you a hint, I have a good experience in this industry and a very strong network of friends and colleagues … lol, no loud am

Now see below data for investment employees … I’d give you enough source lmao

You can show me one investment banker that you know without a BSC minimum and I’d park my load and say no more ! Just one please…

The first link has a bachelor degree written there...with an advanced degree preferred.. you're wasting your time with him

xandy84:
You are wrong. I have a 3.8 CGPA out of 4 point and when I get to graduation hall, people plenty with 4 out of 4. In US at the moment, degree is losing it value to skill trade. The rate of universities merging and closing completely due to low enrollments has never been seen before. The world is moving away from degree that does not confer you distinguish skills. Era of first class in philosophy and expecting employers to look your way is long gone.

What's wrong with people like you? You literally didn't say anything close to the conversation. Someone literally shared his/her daughter experience, another shared 5 videos of people celebrating their degree..

You decided to bring up how the world is moving from degrees that don't confer you distinguished skills, so let me ask you, the degrees that confer you distinguished skills, are they celebrated or not?

The conversation isn't even about you skills or experience but if academic excellence is celebrated in western countries. See, I switch between both worlds, while professionally you need to have skills, experience and certifications, that doesn't negate the fact that if you're purely into academia, your academic excellence will be overlooked.

You guys should try and understand conversations. If you want to further in academics, your performance record is important, while if you want to further in professional development, you'll need to skill up to edge out competitions but what happens when you and your competitors have the same level of skill..what will be the next or should I say close criteria?

Why did you finish with 3.8, why not lesser than that since degree is losing value? Why didn't you drop out and focus on a skill trade? Again, why did you finish with a 3.8, why not 2.8 or 1.8?

Dijita:
i can talk of America, they celebrate almost everything, You are talking of first class, children get car for finishing high school. My daughter got admitted into an ivy league every local newspaper in my town and County carry it. They even wanted to interview the family but we decline.
Some people are even talking about they only care about your skill and experience, how do you come about those skills and experience, it is through high GPA in high school and high grade which eventually leads to first class. Your high grade in high school and good grade in college open the door of quality internship where you acquire strong skills that leads to good job after graduation. It is what makes the difference between $60,000 and $100,000 job right out of college.

I'm so happy you said this, I hope students reading this thread won't be discouraged by those people talking down on education. Whatever is worth doing, is worth doing well.

owobokiri:
There seem to be a dangerous attempt to undermine the importance of education amongst the young in Nigeria. All these spurious write ups to question the relevance of going to school, share a family resemblance with the attempts by different internet influencers in the country to prove that "school is scam". These are not coincidence. This looks like a "project" by certain interest groups to normalise illiteracy in the country. To what end
...?

To keep the population under control. To make sure their own kids and generation gets the best of best in foreign countries while the leaders of tomorrow in Nigeria are shouting *school na scam*. Their kids will finish well in those universities and take over from their parents, the cycle continues.

Imagine someone who claimed to have traveled far and wide saying we shouldn't prioritize academic excellence 😂😂😂 .

I just hope we can have more people like Alex oniya who will at least help the poor man's child...

smartkester:
You missed the point the OP was asking. Do they celebrate First class degree as much as Nigerians do? The answer is clearly NO. This doesn't mean they don't place value on good grades. The person you quoted is actually right, the whites don't fancy things the way we do here but it doesn't mean one shouldn't strive to make good grades.

I already gave my reply to this..like two other people have..the least you can do is read and till you do that..avoid quoting me

Omoawoke:
There are lots of job positings everywhere and there

Can you post one job posting in the financial industry that’s not requesting for a university degree?


We don’t need to waste each others time here … just do screenshot and let me believe you

We need to see the kind of jobs that don’t require university degrees…
Are you referring to care jobs or customer service, or operations assistant ??

Lmao

You want to work in financial sector as finance analyst or portfolio analyst and won’t have a university degree??
Lmaoooo


Do you know how you sound?

lol, imagine telling someone you can practice Medicine without having degrees…. Working in hospital - fine you can work in hospital with even an elementary school certificate , it depends on what work you are doing there
That’s the same way the financial industry work and Fortune 500 companies

You obviously don’t know what you saying

People like him feed off attention, starve him and watch him crawl back to the cave he came out of..

You're the third person or fourth person he'll be quoting on this thread despite his experience...sounds desperate

AndroBlaze:
This is quite lame from you "Teacher", I expected much more from you with your high level of sophistication and academic brilliance....

Now you have me humming this song , so I beg you in the name of Fela, "Teacher, don't teach me nonsense"

👍 okay

CorperKola:
So why the separation and the term ivy league
You think its for fun
You cant be serious
Even the schools matter
And then our class
Obama and trump went to harvard
There is almost a rule that if you want to become PM england
You need Oxford

Have you been living under a rock all this time

The guy just dey amaze me...he'll bring an outlier and thinks he's smart

Omoawoke:
Not true…

There are minimum qualifications for every jobs..

A high schooler can not apply to professional white collar jobs..

We are talking of companies on Forbes, high schooler keh? When high paying jobs require minimum of masters or MBA from top schools… some even request for PhD holders

No you got this really really wrong sir
We aren’t talking of truck driving or construction workers sir or what kind of jobs are you referring to?

If it’s the working as software developer, tech analysts, finance , health care, business analyst , consulting etc … sir, you need a very good qualification to have the first chance of getting into those and they aren’t for high schoolers in any way

One guy go soon quote you with outliers. Using the experience of one to judge many..



Lol, I talk am, he has done exactly that. Look for one outlier, use it as an example.

Forgetting that it takes a lot to achieve without education and not everyone can ever have such dream.
I'd suggest you ignore him, he'll look for one experience he had at an airport to tell you the reality of things

Forgetting that for everyone he think achieved success without education, there's are thousands more who did with education.

You're the one making things up to push your narrative. You have been answered by someone else,

You don't have any experience or work in academia, just sit this one out. You haven't taught before, you haven't worked in academia before but you're of the opinion that we shouldn't over celebrate academic excellence in a country like Nigeria because according to you truly and enlightened people can't be encapsulated by school or piece of paper, then proceeds to used wole Soyinka who is an outlier as example. If you understand what celebrating *academic excellence* in a country like Nigeria but since you're not even into academics, it would be difficult for you to have that basic knowledge, lol, I don't have anything else to say to you.

Have a nice day



For anyone reading this, if you're currently doing well academically, please don't relent, do better, meet with people of like minds, there are opportunities out there that you can benefit from

If you're not a first class student, please strive to be one and if you can't, make sure you take whatever you're doing serious, there's always opportunities for you too. And when you finally get it, celebrate it like there's no tomorrow, you worked for it, you earned it, no one should ever question you.

We don't have enough bright minds in this country to counter the degradation currently going on in this country.

Always strive for excellence in your academics, you might not get it but whatever you achieve, be proud of it, again no one should ever question how you should celebrate your achievements

AndroBlaze:
Oga calm down, and stop making things up to push down your point.

I never claimed to be "experienced" or work in academia..... all I know is part of being educated is actually acting like you are "educated"....and I learnt this from first hand experience.

Real educated people don't need to wear "I got a first class" or "I went to Harvard" t-shirt every day of the week.

I spent the last few days arguing with someone who refused to accept that the first black African academic Nobel prize winner never earned a PhD, despite overwhelming evidence that Wole Soyinka has never claimed to.

In his myopic mind, Soyinka not earning a PhD is a problem, but funnily the whites who celebrated him and gave him the Nobel Prize did not care.

So yes ooo, more first class graduates in Nigeria is a good thing, but if you think the problems in Nigeria would be cured if everybody had a first class or strove to, then it seems that education and life experience has not helped you much either.

Wole Soyinka is great and has a lot of admirers, but so is Fela his cousin....and it is arguable that Fela has touched the same amount if not more people in a beneficial way.

BTW Soyinka got a 2:1 but for many years a rumour went around that he got a Third. Trust Kongi, he hardly bothered to correct it until recently.

There is just something silently brilliant and awe inspiring about truly educated and enlightened people, and I don't believe a school or a piece of paper can encapsulate that.

That is my experience.

SixSeven:
They cannot celebrate it the way we do. I was just responding to Gerrard59's comment about the celebration being a big deal for the Anglophones but I counter that with you only being familiar with a culture you read or understand. In the videos I put there, I deliberately omitted immigrants, though there were Asians in the first and last.

If I show you Italian videos, it will be a waste because we don't understand their language and that's not the purpose of communication. In fact, some of them question the 110 e lode (1st class equivalent) today since everyone gets it. But that does not mean it is not recognized by non-English countries and speakers. The way they celebrate is cultural and you must also understand history too. Our access to western education is not the same for those who were used to it. You see how some of them made it simple while some of them wrote a story. If you asked me this question 16 years ago, I may have struggled to give you proof but thank God for Tiktok. You also need to be aware that some of these countries are more conservative than we are so they won't put their personal information on the internet, that's why I told him to go to LinkedIn, that's the website for professional people and anyone taking their career seriously. Even if you go to LinkedIn, you are likely to see only content in the language you understand.

Lastly, I don't need a validation from any white person but if I wanted to take him to the cleaners, I will tell him to list the western countries and I will give you proof that they celebrate success. People in US celebrate admission offers into top schools abroad but we do not do that here. The gaokao is China's crazy exam but we talk about JAMB or UTME or whatever it's called now. There's always difference in cultures. Maybe this topic is a learning point for some of us that our worldview is not the only view, we can always learn and broaden our horizon.


https://www.tiktok.com/video/7435730682812304673


https://www.tiktok.com/video/7640316444101627150

BTW, travel is part of education. Nice discussion

Thank you for this.

If we don't over hype academic excellence in a country like Nigeria, I don't know what else they want us to over hype....

AndroBlaze:
Though you did ITK and your tone was quite annoying....you mentioned something I have to grudgingly agree with, which is our culture (as it is today) overhypes everything hypeable.

I guess if I can accept MOG announcing church donations in Real Time every Sunday, and not minding whether they come from thieving politicians or kidnappers, I cannot begrudge those who have worked hard to get their results making noise like there is no tomorrow.

They worked for it, they deserve to make noise like there's no tomorrow!
The noise isn't even enough, it's not reaching the appropriate sectors it should.

You can call me whatever you want, but if you're opportune to work in our educational sector, you'll be amazed by the level of IDC attitude, education na scam attitude, school no be way attitude.

We need to encourage academic excellence and if you're truly experienced like you claim you are and your opinion is that *academic excellence* should not be making noise especially in a country like Nigeria, it really bothers me if you care about the future of this country's education or you're part of those that *as long as e no affect me* crew

I still don't understand why someone will have issues because people are *over celebrating* first class in a country like Nigeria.

Our best minds are leaving the country yearly, creative and sound minds are shutting down due to lack of resources, it's easier to "blow" If you do nonsense than graduating well.

The reward for first class and an entertainment show winner is so wide that it will take close to a decade(if not more) for first class on minimum wage to earn.

Our standard for education is dropping badly and drastically.

We don't produce/have enough intellectuals to compete with most "third world countries" not to even talk of western countries

technology, science, development, advancement were championed by the best of the best in those western countries

But in a country like Nigeria, arguably the fastest growing tech market in West Africa, we should limit how we talk about "first class" because it's not a benchmark

But that's not some certain people headache, their pain points is how we celebrate academic excellence. Nothing will ever make me have kids in this country.

That explains why we are always getting screwed over by our leaders

AndroBlaze:
Nice captures from Tiktok, but the OP question was "do you see them celebrating or valuing it like we do in Nigeria".

None of the celebrations I watched was over the top, some had context (like the girl who got her first before 30 or the one that failed some GCSEs and A-level s) and some are not even the definition of "white people" (the very first tik tok you droped).

Stop being clever by half.. the op clearly stated "Do they really place value on it the way many celebrate it in Nigeria?" And do they speak high of it

Just like Gerrad59 said, it's more of a cultural thing, but that doesn't mean they don't place value on it and speak high of it.


We literally over celebrate Matriculation and convocation/graduation regardless of the stage of Education in Nigeria. We literally have secondary school students signing out, but why then are you picking out first class graduates when we literally over celebrate any achievement no matter how small or great they are.

The question op asked wasn't if we over celebrate, it is literally if we place value and speak high of it like *western* citizens do. And the answer is yes! Whether we over do it or over hype, you can create your thread for it. But just know that we celebrate literally anything and picking out a single academic achievement out of all is a myopic view.

In a society like Nigeria where irrelevant and useless events are celebrated— speaking high of academic excellence should be encouraged, it's not as if we even produce enough intellectuals to counter the degradation of our education

Makamatic:
You hear then say summa cum laude , magma cum laude and cum laude and yes , they do celebrate it .

They think it was Nigeria that coined the word *first class*

SixSeven:
Go to LinkedIn, you'll see what you are looking for.


https://www.tiktok.com/video/7664944062859857174


https://www.tiktok.com/video/7665440109885525280


https://www.tiktok.com/video/7662091273318403351


https://www.tiktok.com/video/7655655152522677526


https://www.tiktok.com/video/7660659789055233312


https://www.tiktok.com/video/7393243159364504865


https://www.tiktok.com/video/7585672383659248903

Why you give am proof? Oooo, people like him are very ignorant and won't accept the fact that academic excellence is greatly celebrated all around the world.

You just fed him, he'll never appreciate it, he'll still find excuses to give. I have met people like him over and over again, they are the same.


They think the whites they love and adore don't flaunt achievements.

Stephen0mozzy:
You just dey shift goal post upandan Sir.
Nor dodge the challenge. The burden of proof is on you to show that they're just as "loud" about a First Class as we are in Nigeria. Like, a student who gets first class makes headlines.

I'm not proving anything to a random person online, If you're into academics, you'll know that they cherish and speak highly of their grades. Again, do your own research, the information you need can be freely gotten online, at least you should be able to do that by yourself

Stephen0mozzy:
Send 5 screenshots in this year on any social media platform about any Western country, where their citizens posted a picture of their first class certificate, thanking God, thanking their parents and their "local government chairman"... let's see who has zero context-awareness.

People that literally brag about the school the attend .. you're not into academics, if you are, you won't need proof of "western citizens" showing off their grades. I'm not here to change your mind. Do your own research and you'll see enough.

TheMensch:
Them no go allow you hear word for ordinary going to "Harvard" na first class you dey talk. Those people that can boast of being the best in their class even if the highest he has is 2.1. They talk highly of themselves. Now imagine how they would brag if it was actually first class..

People wey slow gaan...they are quick to use the term *western* society..forgetting that they cherish education and results more than we do

Stephen0mozzy:
The West generally do not make a big deal about anything - it's their "culture" - you can see it in how they do their wedding, funerals, and other things we Africans generally have a lot of fanfare about.

It however doesn't mean it's about more enlightenment in this regard. In Africa we're very expressive of joy and sorrow.

Coming out of school among the rank of the best students in school is a big deal both for the parent and the student... And in many situations it attracts some goodies from family and friends, government, politicians et al.

When the dust settlesz a first class doesn't guarantee a successful career, but if you play your cards right, it's a very great start.

Lol...you have zero clue about western education.. do your own research and come back to this thread


For the OP, any and every developed country place value on education and encourage their students to perform significantly well. They cherish it a lot. If you're opportuned to have a first class degree, go for it. It will help a lot especially if you're into academics. Don't follow the bandwagon of first class doesn't guarantee success

tensazangetsu20:
Honestly anytime I see my girlfriend I can’t help but remember that God really loves me. How the hell did I get a girl like this. I am not handsome. I am not rich. How the hell did I do it? God really loves me o. That’s the only explanation.

You? Not handsome?? Make nobody believe you o. You na fine man

[quote author=SugarPg post=139514884]Visa approval last week.

Direct school admission with scholarship.

Legalization and visa are being done when applied rightly [/quote
Soon...soon...make I gather myself this year

Cutezt:
I am seriously not understanding the comments up here, are y'all slaves or just plain du#b?

How can you say it isn't within his right to ask his landlord to sort our the power issues?

Will you move into a house without power?

Do you know the significant cut it will take from the yearly rent if a landlord doesn't have power in his house?

How would you say he doesn't have the right?

My ex Landlord, before I moved in, there were a few finishings to do in the house, but after I paid, I became a noise maker for 1 full year cos the man refused to fix any of those things, after I complained for a few months, I simply stopped, as he wasn't answering me anymore, but before then, I dropped him a message saying the exact way he treated me is the exact way I will treat him when the time comes.

After 1 year, he came and sent me renewal papers, I simply replied him not to send me any renewal papers until he fixes every single thing in the house. He didn't respond for a month, then came back saying he will give me quit notice, I just called my lawyer friend and told him to write me a letter to the landlord with his chambers letterhead, and I was seriously willing to go to court, I forwarded it to the landlord, next week, I was receiving calls from different artisans asking about my availability so they can come and fix all the things he was meant to fix.

That was how we settled.

You see ehn..we have a defeated mentality. I'm disappointed and surprised by the level of cowardice shown on this thread..

We deserve the kind of leaders we have..

Very evil people...I can't even find my secondary school results...not to even talk of testimonials

Alaidi01:
God knows what some Nigerians did in Brazil to warrant all this docs. Omoh nigerian don't mind spoiling everything and not minding those coming behind

Rayd502:
There could be a serial killer on the loose,one who targets black women.especially immigrants.
There is a growing hate by some British people against immigrants.

I hope the killer(s) are brought to book soon.

Very high possibility of this...