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Christianity EtcRe: JW 007 Is Jesus Correct Saying John The Baptist Is Elijah by Youareforgiven(m): 7:32am On Sep 07, 2024
MaxInDHouse:
@ Matthew 11:11-14 we read:

Truly I say to you, among those born of women, there has not been raised up anyone greater than John the Baptist, but a lesser person in the Kingdom of the heavens is greater than he is. From the days of John the Baptist until now, the Kingdom of the heavens is the goal toward which men press, and those pressing forward are seizing it. For all, the Prophets and the Law, prophesied until John; and if you are willing to accept it, he (John the baptist) is ‘E·liʹjah who is to come.

And @ Matthew 17:10-13 we read:

However, the disciples put the question to him: “Why, then, do the scribes say that E·liʹjah must come first?” In reply he said: “E·liʹjah is indeed coming and will restore all things. However, I say to you that E·liʹjah has already come, and they did not recognize him but did whatever they wanted with him. In this way also, the Son of man is going to suffer at their hands.” Then the disciples perceived that he spoke to them about John the Baptist

From the two highlighted scriptures we found out that Jesus is implying that John the baptist is the long awaited Elijah. Malachi 4:5

First of all the Jews knew very well that Elijah was not a Jew rather he was a Samaritan and secondly he was taken up to heaven by chariots of fire. So if Elijah should return he could have either been born in Samaria or descended from heaven just as he was taken but instead he was born among the Jews.

So if we want to explain using the scriptures to help a modern day Judaist what evidence does Jesus of Nazareth and his disciples have in the Old Testament to ascertain that John the baptist was truly Elijah?
✝ Malachi 4:5

"Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the LORD: "

KJV Bible

Do you now see that Jesus Christ is the Lord in this scripture. He sent Elijah aka John the Baptist before His coming. Malachi 4:5 said that Yahweh will send Elijah.
Christianity EtcRe: There is no everlasting punishment and torment for unbelievers by Youareforgiven(op): 7:19am On Sep 07, 2024
MaxInDHouse:
So it's the use of translation that makes you feel Jesus of Nazareth is Yahweh?

Well the phrase translated "I am that i am" has different interpretations so Jesus is not Yahweh! smiley
✝ Malachi 3:1

"Behold, I will send my messenger, and he shall prepare the way before me: and the Lord, whom ye seek, shall suddenly come to his temple, even the messenger of the covenant, whom ye delight in: behold, he shall come, saith the LORD of hosts."

KJV Bible

✝ Malachi 4:5

"Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the LORD: "

KJV Bible

I have seen your resent post about John the Baptist... Who sent John the Baptist? Was John the Baptist sent by God? Malachi 3:1 is crystal clear that the person coming after John the Baptist is the Lord himself. Their God whom they seek and worship was the one coming.

This is not me starting a back and forth argument with you.
Christianity EtcRe: There is no everlasting punishment and torment for unbelievers by Youareforgiven(op): 11:09pm On Sep 06, 2024
Janosky:
The screenshot evidence is saying something different found In your own Bible, Genesis 16:7

Isaiah 6:8 & Psalm 103:20.

Yahweh can NOT be the first born,angel (Jesus) who OBEYS Yahweh, his Father.John 7:16.
I will not drag the Lordship Or Godnes of Jesus Christ with you after this. Jesus Christ as many titles and name. He is the messenger or angel of God✝ Malachi 3:1

"Behold, I will send my messenger, and he shall prepare the way before me: and the Lord, whom ye seek, shall suddenly come to his temple, even the messenger of the covenant, whom ye delight in: behold, he shall come, saith the LORD of hosts."

KJV Bible
Mk✝ John 8:18

"I am one that bear witness of myself, and the Father that sent me beareth witness of me."

KJV Bible

Jesus Christ was an Angel of the Father... Sent to do what no one could do except God.

I see nothing on the screen shot
Christianity EtcRe: There is no everlasting punishment and torment for unbelievers by Youareforgiven(op): 8:27pm On Sep 06, 2024
StillDtruth:
Off Point
✝ Isaiah 34:9

"And the streams thereof shall be turned into pitch, and the dust thereof into brimstone, and the land thereof shall become burning pitch."

KJV Bible
✝ Isaiah 34:10

"It shall not be quenched night nor day; the smoke thereof shall go up forever: from generation to generation it shall lie waste; none shall pass through it forever and ever."

KJV Bible

What say you about this prophecy by Isaiah about Edom? Is smoke of their destruction still going up today? If not, why? I thought God said it shall not be quench and the smoke from the ruins will go up forever?
Christianity EtcRe: If You Wish That There Is No Eternal Punishment, Clearly You Are Going There! by Youareforgiven(m): 8:18pm On Sep 06, 2024
StillDtruth:
Off Point
✝ Isaiah 34:10

"It shall not be quenched night nor day; the smoke thereof shall go up forever: from generation to generation it shall lie waste; none shall pass through it forever and ever."

KJV Bible

What say you about this scripture? Is the smoke from Edom still going up today? God said it will go up forever, same forever and everlasting used in this scripture you are using to defend your barbaric claim that people will be roasted forever without perishing.
Christianity EtcRe: Part 3: JW PIMO Reconsiders Trinity Doctrine by Youareforgiven(m): 7:57pm On Sep 06, 2024
Sand2022:
This nature is not the same as Divine Nature that Christ shares with the Father. No. In Heb 1, Christ is said to be the exact facsimile of God's Being - Hypostasis. And we have also seen that Christ is worshipped as God is. Also remember that in the beginning the word WAS, not the Word "is". So Christ has been there before the beginning. John 1:3 says all things were created by Christ. Not even one thing came into being without him. So he is not created and has no beginning and end. Compare 1tim 6.

So the Divine Nature we are talking about here is the uncreated Nature of God. Phil 2 says Christ was in God's form before coming to earth. Only God possess this nature, so if Jesus possess it, he is God as such is worshipped. So it is no surprise that we see Jesus occupy what naturally should be Jehovah's and even to be worshipped. You don't dare give that to a mere creature. Check my Part 4 of this series.

The divine nature that 2Pet has in mind is that of Christ's glory. Christ was flesh when on earth and later got a glorified. That is what the anointed will get. They won't get what Christ is before his humanity. It's not even possible. See how the Insight comments on it:

Insight under Nature:

That this is a sharing with Christ in his glory as spirit persons, Peter shows in his first letter: “God . . . gave us a new birth [a·na·gen·neʹsas he·masʹ, “having generated us again”] to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, to an incorruptible and undefiled and unfading inheritance. It is reserved in the heavens for you.” (1Pe 1:3, 4)"
It is the same nature... Those who have Holy Spirit in them have become partakers of the divine nature. If it is not the same nature then, we have not the Holy Spirit.

The only difference between we and Jesus Christ is that we were giving but Jesus was not giving. In truth, He is the giver.
Christianity EtcRe: Part 3: JW PIMO Reconsiders Trinity Doctrine by Youareforgiven(m): 7:50pm On Sep 06, 2024
Barristter07:
Divine Nature is God's nature. The word Divine mean " belonging to God " . Do you lack basic knowledge of English language?

You know the implication hence the desperate attempt to separate. Now more laughable is the "Gods form" . Form means how something or someone exist. What is God's form ? Joh. 4:24 . Spirit form.

Are there not millions of Angels with Gods form ?
Let me come in here. Yes, we in Christ Jesus will be like God and Christ Jesus. In us God has begotten sons. It is hard for our human mind to take. The God nature has become our nature in Christ Jesus. The God essence has become our essence.

You can call it blasphemy all you want. But that will not change the truth. When Christ comes comes we shall fully transform into how He is right now.

We shall no longer call Him God, but Father for He has begotten us forever. We have been birthed into the Elohim family through Christ Jesus. To the canal mind, this is blasphemy but to the Holy Spirit filled, this is the whole plan of God.
Christianity EtcRe: There is no everlasting punishment and torment for unbelievers by Youareforgiven(op): 3:30pm On Sep 06, 2024
MaxInDHouse:
Well i only agree with the scriptures not you so if you believe that Jesus is Yahweh in the Old Testament then you have to explain using the scriptures because that's what i agree with not you! smiley
✝ John 8:58

"Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am."

KJV Bible✝ Exodus 3:14

"And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you."

KJV Bible

Jesus clearly said here He was the I AM that sent Moses to Egypt. They knew what Jesus was talking about that is why they reacted the way they did.
✝ John 8:59

"Then took they up stones to cast at him: but Jesus hid himself, and went out of the temple, going through the midst of them, and so passed by."

KJV Bible

They wanted to stone Jesus Christ for blasphemy as the Law of Moses stipulated ✝ Leviticus 24:16

"And he that blasphemeth the name of the LORD, he shall surely be put to death, and all the congregation shall certainly stone him: as well the stranger, as he that is born in the land, when he blasphemeth the name of the LORD, shall be put to death."

KJV Bible

They wanted to stone the One who gave them the Law, the God of Abraham Isaac and Jacob because. Jesus certainly disappeared/hid because it was not written that He will die by stoning.
Christianity EtcRe: There is no everlasting punishment and torment for unbelievers by Youareforgiven(op): 2:48pm On Sep 06, 2024
MaxInDHouse:
Truth found in the scriptures! smiley
You are agreeing with me on this, do you also agree with me that Jesus Christ is Yahweh of the old testament. Jesus Christ was God in flesh... For your own good, you should.
Christianity EtcRe: There is no everlasting punishment and torment for unbelievers by Youareforgiven(op): 2:44pm On Sep 06, 2024
StillDtruth:
Satan already shows you that he had eternal life.

Daniel 12:2 shows you man's own
And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.

So, no issue here.
Who is feeling the everlasting contempt? The one being destroyed or believers who have been saved in Christ Jesus?
Christianity EtcRe: If You Wish That There Is No Eternal Punishment, Clearly You Are Going There! by Youareforgiven(m): 2:36pm On Sep 06, 2024
StillDtruth:
Satan already shows you that he had eternal life and Daniel 12:2 answers you.
And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.

So, no issue here.
Who is feeling the everlasting contempt? The one who is been destroyed or the people saved by grace?
✝ Malachi 4:3

"And ye shall tread down the wicked; for they shall be ashes under the soles of your feet in the day that I shall do this, saith the LORD of hosts."

KJV Bible

Interpret scripture with scripture. Believers who has been saved in Christ Jesus are the one feeling the everlasting contempt here for sin. The faith of unbelievers and Satan is total destruction. Only eternal beings can be tormented forever.
Christianity EtcRe: If You Wish That There Is No Eternal Punishment, Clearly You Are Going There! by Youareforgiven(m): 10:12am On Sep 06, 2024
StillDtruth:
Clearly, hellfire is a very good place of punishement to the point that people even though they have not yet entered it are already wishing it away.

Thus, if you are a person wishing that there is no hellfire and eternal punishment, clearly it means you already know that.you.are going there and that you are supposed to be there like this guy



See Mad Delusion o.

Matthew 25:41-46,Mark 3:29,Revelation 14:11 says you are a Liar!

"And these shall go away into everlasting punishment:"
Answer me... Do unbelievers have eternal life? Is Satan possessing eternal life?

There is no eternal conscious punishment for mortal perishable created beings who will be consumed up by the holy and eternal fire of Jesus Christ in an agonizing way I must add. ✝ Psalms 37:20

"But the wicked shall perish, and the enemies of the LORD shall be as the fat of lambs: they shall consume; into smoke shall they consume away."

KJV Bible
They will be completely and utterly consumed away into oblivion. The smoke of their ruin will ascend for a long period of time.
Christianity EtcRe: There is no everlasting punishment and torment for unbelievers by Youareforgiven(op): 9:58am On Sep 06, 2024
StillDtruth:
See Mad Delusion o.

Matthew 25:41-46,Mark 3:29,Revelation 14:11 says you are a Liar!

"And these shall go away into everlasting punishment:"
Everlasting punishment means everlasting death. Perishing, consumed, vanquished, never to be seen or remember.

For the Satan and unbelievers to be punished consciously for eternity will only mean one thing, it means they have eternal life... It means they are like God who lives forever.

Now answer me does Angels have eternal life like God? Are angels uncreated like God?
Christianity EtcRe: There is no everlasting punishment and torment for unbelievers by Youareforgiven(op): 11:00pm On Sep 05, 2024
Youareforgiven:
There is no everlasting punishment and torment for the unbeliever.
✝ Matthew 10:28

"And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell."

KJV Bible

God is a loving God and it is against His nature to punish people in conscious torment forever. God will definitely destroy completely and to the uttermost all those who does not have His Holy Spirit within them. It is something God will do with tears in His heart, because He love them still and which they were saved. Man and Angels are not eternal. Our soul is not eternal and can be completely obliterated. The devil and his angels are not eternal and can be also destroyed completely. Only God is eternal and those whom He will give it to in Christ Jesus.

Satan will be completely destroyed and will be no more. God even gave us a clue about how he will be obliterated out of existence. ✝ Ezekiel 28:18

"Thou hast defiled thy sanctuaries by the multitude of thine iniquities, by the iniquity of thy traffic; therefore will I bring forth a fire from the midst of thee, it shall devour thee, and I will bring thee to ashes upon the earth in the sight of all them that behold thee."

KJV Bible

For elaborate context read from Ezekiel 28:12-19 Through prophet Ezekiel God prophecy about Satan ultimate destruction. From his midst will fire come out to destroy him and his chapter will be closed and forgotten. Same with all the fallen angels as well. No creature will be punished consciously forever and ever. It is total madness to think that God who we claim is loving and merciful will punish offenders whom He went to a great length to save through enduring unimaginable pain, will now delight in watching them burn forever.

The Devil sold this idea of eternal punishment through ignorance and mis representation to paint God in a certain light. The idea of eternal conscious torment for Satan and his fallen comrades and also for unbelievers is repulsive and mind numbing. I most confess he did a very good job... The thought of eternal hell and conscious torment forever has done more harm than good.✝ John 3:16

"For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life."

KJV Bible
The famous verse says the destiny of those who don't believe is perishing. Some synonym for perish is cease, vanish, disappear etc.

Perish here is the Greek word "Apollumi", this word can also be defined as puting out of the way entirely, abolish. ✝ Malachi 4:1

"For, behold, the day cometh, that shall burn as an oven; and all the proud, yea, and all that do wickedly, shall be stubble: and the day that cometh shall burn them up, saith the LORD of hosts, that it shall leave them neither root nor branch."

KJV Bible

God is saying they(the wicked) who has refused Christ Jesus will be burnt up. The fire shall utterly consume them up. The fire will keep on burning until everything and everyone is consumed up with no trace of existence.✝ Malachi 4:3

"And ye shall tread down the wicked; for they shall be ashes under the soles of your feet in the day that I shall do this, saith the LORD of hosts."

KJV Bible

This is Jesus speaking here. They shall be ashes. They will not burn forever in conscious pain and agony. It will be barbaric and against the nature of God. ✝ Isaiah 65:17

"For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind."

KJV Bible
God will surely create a new heavens and earth: but the striking thing here is that the former things shall not be remembered. Ask yourself if unbelievers, Satan and his fallen demons will burn and be tormented forever won't they be remembered? Where will be the location of the lake of fire 🔥 burning eternally? Will it be inside the new heaven or the new earth? If it will be, won't it be a source of remembrance to the righteous in Christ Jesus who have been saved? Let the deception end. There is upcoming destruction for the wicked who reject the work of God in Christ Jesus, but not eternally.
✝ Jude 1:7

"Even as Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire."

KJV Bible
Sodom and Gomorrah is an example to what will happen to the ungodly on the last day. they will be burnt up and turn to ashes. If Sodom and Gomorrah is an example, then one may ask is Sodom and Gomorrah still burning up till now? ✝ 2 Peter 2:6

"And turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah into ashes condemned them with an overthrow, making them an example unto those that after should live ungodly;"

KJV Bible
Just like Sodom and Gomorrah who is an example of the last judgment of God on the ungodly was burnt up to ashes so likewise on last day unbelievers will be burnt up and turn to ashes never to exist anymore. ✝ Genesis 19:24

"Then the LORD rained upon Sodom and upon Gomorrah brimstone and fire from the LORD out of heaven;"

KJV Bible
Christianity EtcThere is no everlasting punishment and torment for unbelievers by Youareforgiven(op):
There is no everlasting punishment and torment for the unbeliever.
✝ Matthew 10:28

"And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell."

KJV Bible

God is a loving God and it is against His nature to punish people in conscious torment forever. God will definitely destroy completely and to the uttermost all those who does not have His Holy Spirit within them. It is something God will do with tears in His heart, because He love them still and wished they were saved. Man and Angels are not eternal. Our soul is not eternal and can be completely obliterated. The devil and his angels are not eternal and can be also destroyed completely. Only God is eternal and those whom He will give it to in Christ Jesus.

Satan will be completely destroyed and will be no more. God even gave us a clue about how he will be obliterated out of existence. ✝ Ezekiel 28:18

"Thou hast defiled thy sanctuaries by the multitude of thine iniquities, by the iniquity of thy traffic; therefore will I bring forth a fire from the midst of thee, it shall devour thee, and I will bring thee to ashes upon the earth in the sight of all them that behold thee."

KJV Bible

For elaborate context read from Ezekiel 28:12-19 Through prophet Ezekiel God prophecy about Satan ultimate destruction. From his midst will fire come out to destroy him and his chapter will be closed and forgotten. Same with all the fallen angels as well. No creature will be punished consciously forever and ever. It is total madness to think that God who we claim is loving and merciful will punish offenders whom He went to a great length to save through enduring unimaginable pain, will now delight in watching them burn forever.

The Devil sold this idea of eternal punishment through ignorance and mis representation to paint God in a certain light. The idea of eternal conscious torment for Satan and his fallen comrades and also for unbelievers is repulsive and mind numbing. I most confess he did a very good job... The thought of eternal hell and conscious torment forever has done more harm than good.✝ John 3:16

"For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life."

KJV Bible
The famous verse says the destiny of those who don't believe is perishing. Some synonym for perish is cease, vanish, disappear etc.

Perish here is the Greek word "Apollumi", this word can also be defined as puting out of the way entirely, abolish. ✝ Malachi 4:1

"For, behold, the day cometh, that shall burn as an oven; and all the proud, yea, and all that do wickedly, shall be stubble: and the day that cometh shall burn them up, saith the LORD of hosts, that it shall leave them neither root nor branch."

KJV Bible

God is saying they(the wicked) who has refused Christ Jesus will be burnt up. The fire shall utterly consume them up. The fire will keep on burning until everything and everyone is consumed up with no trace of existence.✝ Malachi 4:3

"And ye shall tread down the wicked; for they shall be ashes under the soles of your feet in the day that I shall do this, saith the LORD of hosts."

KJV Bible

This is Jesus speaking here. They shall be ashes. They will not burn forever in conscious pain and agony. It will be barbaric and against the nature of God. ✝ Isaiah 65:17

"For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind."

KJV Bible
God will surely create a new heavens and earth: but the striking thing here is that the former things shall not be remembered. Ask yourself if unbelievers, Satan and his fallen demons will burn and be tormented forever won't they be remembered? Where will be the location of the lake of fire 🔥 burning eternally? Will it be inside the new heaven or the new earth? If it will be, won't it be a source of remembrance to the righteous in Christ Jesus who have been saved? Let the deception end. There is upcoming destruction for the wicked who reject the work of God in Christ Jesus, but not eternally.
Christianity EtcRe: Christ Jesus Our Spiritual And Authentic Mirror. by Youareforgiven(op): 4:47pm On Sep 05, 2024
Youareforgiven:
Christ Jesus our spiritual mirror.
There are three worlds... The spiritual, the physical(Earthly) and the underworld(world of the dead). The spiritual world is king over all the worlds. Spiritual world reigns supreme over both the Earthly world and the Underworld. Christ is our spiritual mirror, God has placed us in Christ Jesus the Lord of all the Worlds. When you stand in front of a mirror, please don't see yourself through the physical Earthly mirror, but through the authentic spiritual mirror Christ Jesus.

I will tell you what God has done. The all loving God has placed all humanity in Christ Jesus the second Adam. Salvation is simply an invitation, a position and a location. For those who accept that Christ Jesus is their current location and position is saved, while those who reject this is condemned. The big question now is, how do you see yourself now in Christ Jesus? We see ourselves in our current location and position in Christ through our inner man. Through the voice within, that voice you often use to abuse someone without them knowing. That voice you use to device mischief within. The voice within acts as both your spiritual eyes and mouth.

Brethren, Christ Jesus is your reflection, when you look at Jesus Christ see yourself in Him. Let me tell you what will happen when you see yourself in Christ Jesus. Immediately you begin to see yourself in Christ, the work of the Holy Spirit officially starts in your life and upon your life. The Holy Spirit is here to testify that indeed you are in Christ Jesus and all that is true of Jesus Christ is also true of you. He(Holy Spirit) can't just wait to begin this glorious work in you and upon you. The Holy Spirit is with all his tools ready and eager to come to work in your life, give him that heads-up by seeing yourself in Christ Jesus today, tomorrow and always.

-See yourself forgiven and made right with God in Christ Jesus(This is the foundation of our salvation). ✝ Ephesians 1:7

"In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;"

KJV Bible

-See yourself healed in Christ Jesus, that is if you're suffering from any kind of illness and diseases(When you see yourself this way, the Holy Spirit will definitely heal you).
-See yourself healthy and strong in Christ Jesus and never falling sick.✝ Isaiah 53:5

"But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed."

KJV Bible

-See yourself enlightened, wise and full of understanding in Christ Jesus (When you see yourself this way, the Holy Spirit will be downloading you with things you never knew).✝ 1 Corinthians 1:30

"But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us WISDOM, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption: "

KJV Bible
Christ Jesus is made unto us wisdom, in other words, in Him we have wisdom greater than that of Solomon.

-See yourself Blessed and favored in Christ Jesus(When you do, the Holy Spirit will move and confirm that you are actually blessed and favored in Christ Jesus).✝ Ephesians 1:3

"Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ: "

KJV Bible

- See yourself seated in the place of power and authority in Christ Jesus(When you do, the Holy Spirit will surely testify that it is true and the reality. ✝ Ephesians 2:6

"And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus: "

KJV Bible

There is so many blessings and good things for us in Christ, I can't even exhaust all of them here. We surely have a glorious life in Christ Jesus. Go through the scripture and search out your riches in Christ Jesus.
Christ Jesus is the arrowhead of mankind just like Adam was. But like Adam who fell, Christ Jesus is a perfect arrowhead and through Him God has giving birth to sons and daughters in everyone who believes.

Human generation of Adam is ending and coming to an end. It must end because it is faulty. The Human generation of Christ Jesus has begun and will live forever. Please make the upgrade now. Switch from the Adamic gene to Jesus Christ gene by simply believing.
Christianity EtcRe: The Kingdom Of Heaven Is Near by Youareforgiven(m): 4:25pm On Sep 05, 2024
Zaheertyler:
For your spirit shall become the new Shiloh
The dwelling place of the spirit, the word and the fear of the father
And your body is inheritance
Therefore come out of Egypt today ( people that chase after worldly pleasures,glory and whatever) and chose holiness like your creator
Though the Egyptians may mock you and laugh at you but it’s only because you have become salt
Without you the food will not be sweet
Though they become curry and thyme by their own power
Did you become salt by your own power? No
But by the goodness and mercy of your father who is the living God
Therefore chase holiness and become pure in spirit
Namaste 🙏
Where are we chasing holiness to? We are already made holy in Christ Jesus.
Christianity EtcChrist Jesus Our Spiritual And Authentic Mirror. by Youareforgiven(op): 3:57pm On Sep 05, 2024
Christ Jesus our spiritual mirror.
There are three worlds... The spiritual, the physical(Earthly) and the underworld(world of the dead). The spiritual world is king over all the worlds. Spiritual world reigns supreme over both the Earthly world and the Underworld. Christ is our spiritual mirror, God has placed us in Christ Jesus the Lord of all the Worlds. When you stand in front of a mirror, please don't see yourself through the physical Earthly mirror, but through the authentic spiritual mirror Christ Jesus.

I will tell you what God has done. The all loving God has placed all humanity in Christ Jesus the second Adam. Salvation is simply an invitation, a position and a location. For those who accept that Christ Jesus is their current location and position is saved, while those who reject this is condemned. The big question now is, how do you see yourself now in Christ Jesus? We see ourselves in our current location and position in Christ through our inner man. Through the voice within, that voice you often use to abuse someone without them knowing. That voice you use to device mischief within. The voice within acts as both your spiritual eyes and mouth.

Brethren, Christ Jesus is your reflection, when you look at Jesus Christ see yourself in Him. Let me tell you what will happen when you see yourself in Christ Jesus. Immediately you begin to see yourself in Christ, the work of the Holy Spirit officially starts in your life and upon your life. The Holy Spirit is here to testify that indeed you are in Christ Jesus and all that is true of Jesus Christ is also true of you. He(Holy Spirit) can't just wait to begin this glorious work in you and upon you. The Holy Spirit is with all his tools ready and eager to come to work in your life, give him that heads-up by seeing yourself in Christ Jesus today, tomorrow and always.

-See yourself forgiven and made right with God in Christ Jesus(This is the foundation of our salvation). ✝ Ephesians 1:7

"In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;"

KJV Bible

-See yourself healed in Christ Jesus, that is if you're suffering from any kind of illness and diseases(When you see yourself this way, the Holy Spirit will definitely heal you).
-See yourself healthy and strong in Christ Jesus and never falling sick.✝ Isaiah 53:5

"But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed."

KJV Bible

-See yourself enlightened, wise and full of understanding in Christ Jesus (When you see yourself this way, the Holy Spirit will be downloading you with things you never knew).✝ 1 Corinthians 1:30

"But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us WISDOM, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption: "

KJV Bible
Christ Jesus is made unto us wisdom, in other words, in Him we have wisdom greater than that of Solomon.

-See yourself Blessed and favored in Christ Jesus(When you do, the Holy Spirit will move and confirm that you are actually blessed and favored in Christ Jesus).✝ Ephesians 1:3

"Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ: "

KJV Bible

- See yourself seated in the place of power and authority in Christ Jesus(When you do, the Holy Spirit will surely testify that it is true and the reality. ✝ Ephesians 2:6

"And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus: "

KJV Bible

There is so many blessings and good things for us in Christ, I can't even exhaust all of them here. We surely have a glorious life in Christ Jesus. Go through the scripture and search out your riches in Christ Jesus.
Christianity EtcRe: Unhealthy Focus On The Holy Spirit. by Youareforgiven(op):
Youareforgiven:
Unhealthy focus on the Holy Spirit today.
The Holy Spirit is a response to your focus on Jesus Christ. The Holy Spirit is here and in us to testify of Jesus. He came to glorify Jesus Christ. You grieve Him when you focus on Him, instead of Christ Jesus. You get filled by the Holy Spirit when you focus solely on Jesus Christ. You please the Spirit of God when you focus on Jesus Christ, and His finished work, and when He is pleased, He fills you up. The Holy Spirit did not ask you to sing and pray to Him. The Spirit of God did not ask you to address Him. The Spirit of God moves in power and might when Jesus is glorified. He is here to fulfill uphold all that Jesus did at the cross. The person of the Holy Spirit is always at all times pointing you to the glorification of Christ Jesus the Son. ✝ John 16:14

"He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall show it unto you."

KJV Bible
✝ John 15:26

"But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me: "

KJV Bible


The Holy Spirit bears witness of Jesus Christ and His finished work. In other words, or simpler words: In Christ we are healed, for He himself bore our infirmity. The work of the Holy Spirit, who is the power of God is to bear witness to this truth that indeed, in Christ Jesus, we were healed truly. So when anybody accepts this then boom, the Holy Spirit goes to work instantly. The Holy Spirit is always in a haste to bear witness to this eternal truth. We all should leave things as God has designed it, and stop this unasked attention to the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit is focused on His duty and job to bear witness to the finished works of Christ Jesus.

Our undivided focus should be on Christ Jesus, and Him alone should we focus on. The Father and the Spirit is pleased this way that Christ Jesus receives all the attention in heaven and earth. When Christ Jesus receives it they are joyous and not jealous.

Do you want to be filled with the Holy Spirit? then focus on Christ Jesus. Do you want to experience all the power of God? then focus on Christ Jesus. Let Him be your gaze at all times. Don't listen to those who advices you to strike a relationship with the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit himself wants you to strike a relationship with Christ alone and not Himself. The Spirit wants you to look to Christ Jesus always and not to Him. Please stop putting the cart before the horse. Follow the right procedure. Go through the right and effective channel ordained by God.

So many pastors/ministries today talks more about the Holy Spirit, than they preach about Jesus Christ, the tree 🌴 of life. Counting 2 before 1, and jumping A to B.

Beloved, it will be selfishness on my path if I fail to tell you that "in Christ Jesus you are forgiven and planted now in the presence of God"... 🍷 Drink from this inexhaustible well of life through believing. Believing is the bucket we use in drawing out water from this well. This well of life is not too deep but never runs dry. Amen
Perfect illustration: Don't put the Holy Spirit before Christ Jesus.

Christianity EtcUnhealthy Focus On The Holy Spirit. by Youareforgiven(op): 11:31am On Sep 03, 2024
Unhealthy focus on the Holy Spirit today.
The Holy Spirit is a response to your focus on Jesus Christ. The Holy Spirit is here and in us to testify of Jesus. He came to glorify Jesus Christ. You grieve Him when you focus on Him, instead of Christ Jesus. You get filled by the Holy Spirit when you focus solely on Jesus Christ. You please the Spirit of God when you focus on Jesus Christ, and His finished work, and when He is pleased, He fills you up. The Holy Spirit did not ask you to sing and pray to Him. The Spirit of God did not ask you to address Him. The Spirit of God moves in power and might when Jesus is glorified. He is here to fulfill uphold all that Jesus did at the cross. The person of the Holy Spirit is always at all times pointing you to the glorification of Christ Jesus the Son. ✝ John 16:14

"He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall show it unto you."

KJV Bible
✝ John 15:26

"But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me: "

KJV Bible


The Holy Spirit bears witness of Jesus Christ and His finished work. In other words, or simpler words: In Christ we are healed, for He himself bore our infirmity. The work of the Holy Spirit, who is the power of God is to bear witness to this truth that indeed, in Christ Jesus, we were healed truly. So when anybody accepts this then boom, the Holy Spirit goes to work instantly. The Holy Spirit is always in a haste to bear witness to this eternal truth. We all should leave things as God has designed it, and stop this unasked attention to the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit is focused on His duty and job to bear witness to the finished works of Christ Jesus.

Our undivided focus should be on Christ Jesus, and Him alone should we focus on. The Father and the Spirit is pleased this way that Christ Jesus receives all the attention in heaven and earth. When Christ Jesus receives it they are joyous and not jealous.

Do you want to be filled with the Holy Spirit? then focus on Christ Jesus. Do you want to experience all the power of God? then focus on Christ Jesus. Let Him be your gaze at all times. Don't listen to those who advices you to strike a relationship with the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit himself wants you to strike a relationship with Christ alone and not Himself. The Spirit wants you to look to Christ Jesus always and not to Him. Please stop putting the cart before the horse. Follow the right procedure. Go through the right and effective channel ordained by God.

So many pastors/ministries today talks more about the Holy Spirit, than they preach about Jesus Christ, the tree 🌴 of life. Counting 2 before 1, and jumping A to B.

Beloved, it will be selfishness on my path if I fail to tell you that "in Christ Jesus you are forgiven and planted now in the presence of God"... 🍷 Drink from this inexhaustible well of life through believing. Believing is the bucket we use in drawing out water from this well. This well of life is not too deep but never runs dry. Amen
Christianity EtcRe: How I Stopped Gambling (finally Free) by Youareforgiven(m): 1:24pm On Sep 01, 2024
David0002:
Gambling is a very terrible addiction. It is something that I will not wish for my enemy. Infact, let me be blunt, gambling ruined my life.

I was addicted to this popular betting company in Nigeria, I will not mention its name, but many people already knows the name, especially in virtual football.

It was so bad. Gambling for more than 12 years is not a joke. I lost my education, money, relationship, friends, reputation, dignity, trust, respect, health, etc. as a result of this addiction.

I tried everything to be free, up to no avail, it was a serious battle. Repenting today and going back tomorrow. Once my money finish, I will vow never to go back to gambling again, I will even swear that God should take my life if I ever go back to gambling only to relapse as soon as money enters into my hands.

I thank God that I am finally free from this addiction. I stopped gambling finally on the month of February this year. Ever since then, I have not gambled. seven months have passed and still counting, I have not relapsed back, the urge to go back is not even there.

Let me tell you the truth, you cannot stop gambling by your own efforts and determination only. You need a supernatural power that only comes from Jesus to break that yoke from your life. Not only gambling but from other addictions you may be going through.

Jesus will not only break the yoke, He will sustain you so that you will not go back to this very terrible addiction again.

If you are free from gambling or you are still struggling with this addiction, I want you to gather here you are going to find this thread very interesting.

Praise God for delivering me from this addiction and at the same time baptizing me with the Holy Ghost.

Hallelujah!!!
https://www.nairaland.com/8191048/gambling-sin-answer
She'd more light here
Christianity EtcRe: How I Stopped Gambling (finally Free) by Youareforgiven(m): 1:22pm On Sep 01, 2024
David0002:
Gambling is a very terrible addiction. It is something that I will not wish for my enemy. Infact, let me be blunt, gambling ruined my life.

I was addicted to this popular betting company in Nigeria, I will not mention its name, but many people already knows the name, especially in virtual football.

It was so bad. Gambling for more than 12 years is not a joke. I lost my education, money, relationship, friends, reputation, dignity, trust, respect, health, etc. as a result of this addiction.

I tried everything to be free, up to no avail, it was a serious battle. Repenting today and going back tomorrow. Once my money finish, I will vow never to go back to gambling again, I will even swear that God should take my life if I ever go back to gambling only to relapse as soon as money enters into my hands.

I thank God that I am finally free from this addiction. I stopped gambling finally on the month of February this year. Ever since then, I have not gambled. seven months have passed and still counting, I have not relapsed back, the urge to go back is not even there.

Let me tell you the truth, you cannot stop gambling by your own efforts and determination only. You need a supernatural power that only comes from Jesus to break that yoke from your life. Not only gambling but from other addictions you may be going through.

Jesus will not only break the yoke, He will sustain you so that you will not go back to this very terrible addiction again.

If you are free from gambling or you are still struggling with this addiction, I want you to gather here you are going to find this thread very interesting.

Praise God for delivering me from this addiction and at the same time baptizing me with the Holy Ghost.

Hallelujah!!!
Gospel truth
Christianity EtcRe: Why A Private Jet Is Necessary For General Overseers by Youareforgiven(m): 12:44pm On Sep 01, 2024
ItuExchange:
Speaking on the issue of pastors owing private jets; Olu Johnson said that it was of necessity for some pastors to own such, as it was not to showoff but rather to propagate the gospel of the kingdom.

“Sincerely, I do not blame pastors that have private jet in our time and season. Pastor Adeboye is busier than the president of Nigeria – the president of Nigeria oversees only this nation, I don’t know if we can know how many nations Pastor Adeboye is overseeing from Redemption Camp.

“The man is overseeing 197 nations: I have missed some of our very important meetings where I am the host for flight schedules; if I had the means, maybe I would have hired a flight and wouldn’t have missed those programmes. Some institutions and individuals in this nation have their private jets; if the work of a pastor has become enormous like the work of Pastor Adeboye or Oyedepo, I sincerely subscribe that if they can afford it or the church can afford it; it is necessary.” – Rev. Olu Johnson
I have no problem with there private jet or no private jet. My concern is what they are preaching to the weary souls. Sadly, majority of them is found wanting.
Christianity EtcRe: "Marine Kingdom Member" Brings Vibes From Her Kingdom To Her Deliverance Session by Youareforgiven(m): 10:57am On Sep 01, 2024
You are forgiven in Christ and made right with God.
Christianity EtcRe: Is It A Sin If A Christian Smoke Marijuana For Medical Reasons? WorthyAsk by Youareforgiven(m): 8:30am On Sep 01, 2024
CoolJason:
This question was first asked on the WorthyAsk Website.

Research shows that cannabis and cannabinoids can help manage chronic pain, nausea, and some MS symptoms.What do you think about this. There are some Christians who smoke and think it’s Ok. Others say it’s wrong. What are you thoughts and why based on Scriptural references?

https://www.worthyask.com/question/smoking-pot-i-e-marijuana-as-a-christian/
The only sin men will be condemned for is the sin of Unbelieve. Not believing that in Christ Jesus you're forgiven and made right with God.
Christianity EtcRe: Is Gambling A Sin? The Answer: by Youareforgiven(op): 8:15am On Sep 01, 2024
You can't successfully come out from that destructive habit without the Spirit of God.
Christianity EtcRe: You Can Only Receive The Holy Spirit Once by Youareforgiven(op): 8:13am On Sep 01, 2024
The Spirit of God is waiting for you to believe
Christianity EtcRe: The Power Of Knowing You Are Loved. by Youareforgiven(op): 8:02am On Sep 01, 2024
God's love is better than wine
Christianity EtcRe: The Voice Within. by Youareforgiven(op): 7:58am On Sep 01, 2024
Lordsugar:
Engaging and logically presented.
Glory to Jesus Christ who made it possible
Christianity EtcRe: So Blessed, A Generation! by Youareforgiven(op): 7:57am On Sep 01, 2024
Youareforgiven:
So Blessed, a generation.
✝ Psalms 51:11

"Cast me not away from thy presence; and take not thy holy spirit from me."

KJV Bible

This was the heart felt cry of David when he sinned against God. he knew that he was finished without the presence of God. He knew he was done for without the Holy Spirit of God. David knew that it was the presence of God that has prospered him and giving him victory all his life. David knew the absence of Jesus presence was death. During those days the presence of God depends on how well you have behaved in keeping the Law of Moses. The presence of God comes and go like Nepa(Nigeria electricity supply). But it's not so today because of Jesus Christ. We can dwell in His presence forever and have His Holy Spirit for Infinity. No wonder David enabled by the Holy Spirit called us blessed✝ Psalms 32:1

"A Psalm of David, Maschil. Blessed is he whose transgression is forgiven, whose sin is covered."

KJV Bible
✝ Psalms 32:2

"Blessed is the man unto whom the LORD imputeth not iniquity, and in whose spirit there is no guile."

KJV Bible

We are so blessed because we are truly planted in the presence of God in Christ Jesus. The Spirit of God dwell in us and will continue to be in us permanently. Nothing can make the Spirit leave us because he did not come in us for our own righteousness sake, but for Christ righteousness sake. We can now drink and enjoy ourselves in the ocean of his glory and presence. We are so blessed to be born after the birth and death of Jesus Christ the Son of God. The era where the presence of God is giving to us on a platter of gold. The era where the presence of God has been cooked and served hot on our plates. Truly, words cannot explain perfectly how blessed and favored we are! A truly blessed generation! we are an envy to all other creation. The whole creation is waiting for our manifestation and maturity as the sons of God.

Jesus Christ is no longer the only begotten son of God. God now has begotten sons in us in Christ Jesus. Jesus now has junior brothers. Hallelujah!!!! The presence of God is life, and not being in His presence is death. All you need in this life and the life to come is in his presence. Truest of joy is found in his presence. The joy of his world without His presence is counter fit and last for only a while. Many has sought for joy in different places, but found sadness and depression at the tail end. Man was made to be in the presence of God, just as fish was created to be in the water. We all are just like a fish taking out of water struggling to get back into the nearest water we can find.

Me that is experiencing the presence of God for the first time is adapting rapidly. I won't struggle so hard to adapt because it is inbuilt. I am made for this. The presence of God is my natural habitat. Jesus took me back to where I truly belong. Praise be His name forever. No place like home we normally say. Brethren in the love of God, our true home is His presence. I know I have not even scratched the surface of His presence. I know I have not even unlocked the full benefits of His presence. I know there is still so many things I am yet to know about His presence. But I am ready to explore and unlock every door in his presence. I am ready to drink and drink and drink until I explode😁😁😁. I will be a gluttony in the presence of God. Thankfully, there is no side effects of overdrinking in the presence of God. His grace and loving kindness will lead me on. Amen

I know there are some of you who will think I am saying absolute nonsense and you are right to feel so, because this intense feeling is alien to you. Only Adam and Eve, the first man was familiar with this glorious feeling in it fullness. The old testament folks experienced a little of it. But thank God, it is available to us now in Christ Jesus. Brethren, taste and see that the Lord is sweeter than honey and His presence is better than wine.

Most of you will ask how do we enter His presence. yea, I know most heart that are tasty will ask. This is the ticket to His presence below.

"You are forgiven and made right with God in Christ Jesus." Say to yourself within continuously and that will be all.


Let me go back enjoying the sweetness of His presence. Shalom!
Oh what a blessed generation
Christianity EtcRe: The Voice Within. by Youareforgiven(op): 8:41pm On Aug 31, 2024
Youareforgiven:
The voice inside
✝ Matthew 9:21

"For she said within herself, If I may but touch his garment, I shall be whole."

KJV Bible

The most important voice is the voice within. The voice within supersedes the voice outside. Faith is the voice within. We believe through the voice within. What you always say within is what you believe. Forget about what your outer lips say. The real voice is the voice within and that is where God is focusing. So many of us are not coordinated within. We say different things at the same time within us. While some of us are just careless and ignorant with what goes on within. This woman right here is the simplicity of Faith. She continually says to herself within, "if I could touch the helm of his garment, I know I will be healed." Indeed she did got her healing because she believed with the voice within.

Satan wants you to be confused and disconnected within, only then will he steal from you what belongs to you in God in Christ Jesus. What you say within is what truly matters. God looks at your within voice, and not what comes out of your physical lips. You communicate with man with your lips, while you communicate with God with the voice within. This beautiful woman in our opening verse extracted the power of God out of Jesus through the voice within. So many people have been touching Jesus without anything happening. So many have been touching Him with an uncoordinated voice within but when this woman came along and touch the glorious One with a coordinated voice, something happened. She was healed and made whole. Today and right now, you can still touch Jesus by saying to yourself within continuously that, "you are forgiven in Christ Jesus and made right with God."

We all have the voice within. Some have mastered the art to use it and harness it for good, while some for evil. Many of us have allowed earthly things and worldly music to corrode and distort the voice within. Do you want to see great power and might? Then channel and control the voice within towards Jesus Christ and His sacrifice. We believe through the voice within. ✝ Proverbs 4:23

"Keep thy heart with all diligence; for out of it are the issues of life."

KJV Bible... Guide your voice within jealously. Do not let the things around control the voice within. Be conscious of what you are saying within you, for it can save you or ruin you.

This revelation will not be complete, if I fail to tell you the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ. This is the very foundation of our reconciliation with God our source.
"In Christ Jesus you are forgiven and made right with God." This is it. Nothing more nothing less.

Continuously say within you this profound and life transforming truth and watch what will happen.
The mystery reviewed
Christianity EtcSo Blessed, A Generation! by Youareforgiven(op): 8:13pm On Aug 31, 2024
So Blessed, a generation.
✝ Psalms 51:11

"Cast me not away from thy presence; and take not thy holy spirit from me."

KJV Bible

This was the heart felt cry of David when he sinned against God. he knew that he was finished without the presence of God. He knew he was done for without the Holy Spirit of God. David knew that it was the presence of God that has prospered him and giving him victory all his life. David knew the absence of Jesus presence was death. During those days the presence of God depends on how well you have behaved in keeping the Law of Moses. The presence of God comes and go like Nepa(Nigeria electricity supply). But it's not so today because of Jesus Christ. We can dwell in His presence forever and have His Holy Spirit for Infinity. No wonder David enabled by the Holy Spirit called us blessed✝ Psalms 32:1

"A Psalm of David, Maschil. Blessed is he whose transgression is forgiven, whose sin is covered."

KJV Bible
✝ Psalms 32:2

"Blessed is the man unto whom the LORD imputeth not iniquity, and in whose spirit there is no guile."

KJV Bible

We are so blessed because we are truly planted in the presence of God in Christ Jesus. The Spirit of God dwell in us and will continue to be in us permanently. Nothing can make the Spirit leave us because he did not come in us for our own righteousness sake, but for Christ righteousness sake. We can now drink and enjoy ourselves in the ocean of his glory and presence. We are so blessed to be born after the birth and death of Jesus Christ the Son of God. The era where the presence of God is giving to us on a platter of gold. The era where the presence of God has been cooked and served hot on our plates. Truly, words cannot explain perfectly how blessed and favored we are! A truly blessed generation! we are an envy to all other creation. The whole creation is waiting for our manifestation and maturity as the sons of God.

Jesus Christ is no longer the only begotten son of God. God now has begotten sons in us in Christ Jesus. Jesus now has junior brothers. Hallelujah!!!! The presence of God is life, and not being in His presence is death. All you need in this life and the life to come is in his presence. Truest of joy is found in his presence. The joy of his world without His presence is counter fit and last for only a while. Many has sought for joy in different places, but found sadness and depression at the tail end. Man was made to be in the presence of God, just as fish was created to be in the water. We all are just like a fish taking out of water struggling to get back into the nearest water we can find.

Me that is experiencing the presence of God for the first time is adapting rapidly. I won't struggle so hard to adapt because it is inbuilt. I am made for this. The presence of God is my natural habitat. Jesus took me back to where I truly belong. Praise be His name forever. No place like home we normally say. Brethren in the love of God, our true home is His presence. I know I have not even scratched the surface of His presence. I know I have not even unlocked the full benefits of His presence. I know there is still so many things I am yet to know about His presence. But I am ready to explore and unlock every door in his presence. I am ready to drink and drink and drink until I explode😁😁😁. I will be a gluttony in the presence of God. Thankfully, there is no side effects of overdrinking in the presence of God. His grace and loving kindness will lead me on. Amen

I know there are some of you who will think I am saying absolute nonsense and you are right to feel so, because this intense feeling is alien to you. Only Adam and Eve, the first man was familiar with this glorious feeling in it fullness. The old testament folks experienced a little of it. But thank God, it is available to us now in Christ Jesus. Brethren, taste and see that the Lord is sweeter than honey and His presence is better than wine.

Most of you will ask how do we enter His presence. yea, I know most heart that are tasty will ask. This is the ticket to His presence below.

"You are forgiven and made right with God in Christ Jesus." Say to yourself within continuously and that will be all.


Let me go back enjoying the sweetness of His presence. Shalom!

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