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4ward4:
Shut Up...People who are in problems are genuinely been deceived by people they look upto... If such persist, we will be having many atheist, sooner than you expect and alot of them will be devoted christains.

Cho Cho Cho Cho Cho
We are talking about legality here. Carry you comment to religious section. In the eyes of the law, you have not proven that people are being deceived.

BabaAduras:
You are supporting scamming.

If we go by your reasoning, thieves, Armed Robbers and Kidnapper should be allowed to do their businesses unhindered since it is businesses.

Can you prove objectively that I support scamming

Am only saying let people do what makes them happy. If they leave that church and come to you with their problems, will you give them the hope Jeremiah gives them
Will you pro

caye:
That we can even be debating a miracle water , in a country gradually sinking towards famine and genocide, and some species here are defending the miracle water salesman...I shake.

This only proves what I've been suspecting for so long: the average IQ of Nigerians is closer to a 9 yr old child. And it helps the politician and religious rulers.

It's better to watch this country burn to the ground. Don't save it.

Kobojunkiee, don't waste your time...the ' thing' called zionmdde is either paid troll or has extra chromosomes ( if you can decode this). It could be biologically related, so you might not be able to blame him , for being...sub-intelligent.

Kindly cut him some rope. Have mercy on him.

The average IQ of Nigerians you work with are very low: then change your circle because Nigerians are super intelligent. Stop surrounding yourself with low IQ people. Oh I even forgot birds of a feather flock together.

If you don't also care about the miracle water, why did you then leave the sinking ship dat you should be rescuing to open this thread and even read comments. O she captain rescuer

Your use of words actually shows you are likely just another illiterate. E ma binu did you write jamb at all?

All hail captain rescuer. Nigeria is burning, don't you have water in your house?

Salewa97:
This is fantastic news! Dangote is truly a game changer for Nigeria's economy. Producing ethanol and aviation fuel will not only enhance fuel efficiency but also provide much-needed relief for the aviation sector. Kudos to the team for making strides in innovation and sustainability. We can’t wait to see the positive impact on our fuel prices!

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commoditiesnig:
Will you kids stop all these "bot" rubbish? Can't someone air his own opinions freely on this forum again? Anyone not on "your side" is suddenly a bot. Make una grow up abeg!

Sharrap there
Both monikers are owned by the same person and registered within the same period of time. You are d kid here dat needs to grow up

pek:
Exactly! Now you are getting the point. This shows Jeremiah would be the loser here. There is nothing like faith in court. All that is needed are facts and evidence

nah that shows vdm will lose

The law recognizes religion. Therefore If I tell you God bless you today and you die tomorrow, your family cannot sue me because I will simply say you didn't have faith, and the Bible says you cannot receive anything from the Lord (who I represent as a pastor) without faith

To be sincere to you Jeremiah will only lose if that product is not nafdac approved. And nafdac will approve miracle water based on the fact that the content is safe for drinking and not on whether it can heal the sick

Oracleee:
But will you castigate a babalawo or dibia? Perhaps someone going to a shrine to worship and serve whatever he believes in

Nah I won't castigate any

I am a free thinker. As long as wat you are doing is not causing harm to someone else and you are not breaking the law, please go ahead

Philipponzaghi:
This is fantastic news for Nigeria! Dangote continues to lead the way in innovation and sustainability. The production of ethanol and aviation fuel will not only enhance fuel efficiency but also support our aviation sector. Can't wait to see the positive impact on the economy! Let's go, Dangote!

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Dangote should give us even if it is 1 litre of fuel already. All this tomorrow next tomorrow and the endless cycle goes on

Samtob90:
Just that he needs nafdac to test health factors, quality of what he gives, once he pass that, freedom to you buyers

The man gas already said he has nafdac number. And trust me nafdac will not test miracle water for miracle ls rather for purity l. So if nafdac certifies that water you can be eriscoed for calling it fake

lereinter:
Are you is church member?

I like this your alternative defence

Awon eletan

Actually am angrier Dan u dat people can be deceived into buying rubbish
But am enjoying myself here

Moreover the law works with fact not what you and i believe

Kobojunkieee:
You and I know that the promise those products come with goes beyond the mere use of the word miracle in the description so stop with the stewpid arguments already.

I don't know anything
And "you and I " know is not a valid argument.
Irrespective of what you think you know, the law respects only facts

Of course I believe anybody buying those items need to be checked. But d law is d law

JetStar:
The Issue is the man said the product (anointing water and whatever he sells) have NAFDAC number and VDM asked him to show the ingredients. I think that's what triggered prophet Funfeyin to sue for defamation. So when did NAFDAC start registering anointing water and other spiritual products?

If that product has nafdac number vdm will lose out in court
You know why
Miracle can be someone's name and therefore can also be a brand

Let's not think that man's lawyer will be a dummy

SmartPolician:
Nobody asked him to do anything; he's just cashing in on trends to remain relevant. Christians and Muslims are adults. If they think the religion is impotent, they will dump it.

There's a news story on the front page saying that Igbo youths are dumping Christianity and returning to idol worship. That's exactly what happens when people think that foreign religion is totally ineffective.

Thank you bro
I don't know why people will keep taking panadol for other adults headache

If they use the water and it doesn't work they dump it simple. And if they choose to be idiots why not leave them

Kobojunkieee:
We are talking of the selling of a physical product with false labeling. So, yes, evidence of the claim made is necessary! And it is well withing the jurisdiction of the courts to obtain that evidence.

Lol
The labeling says miracle
To prove it is fault you have to define miracle
The content ls of an original miracle
And whether you really mixed the content with faith

You see the last one, you can't prove that in any court

Sometimes the law is that interesting. And it does not depend on what your emotions are saying

Pascal9:
you are one of them, wickedness and deceit is inherent in you, did Paul or those apostles or jesus sell those items or make machandise of them, continue supporting evil, that same evil will consume you, ewu!

Can you prove with at least 85% certainty that the part where Paul sold the items were not omitted from the Bible? Or from the compilers. Afterall a whole lot of things were omitted.

In simple terms what you think you know can be challenged and you will fail to prove that you know what you said you know

Let everybody sha mind their business. If you buy the water and it doesn't work it will be stupidity to buy another. And if you chose to be stupid who am I to care?

Kobojunkieee:
Well, the pastor man would have to prove that he didn't apply the faith by using the product in court and showing exactly how the magic is supposed to work where everyone can see for themselves then.

Lol
In the law has no jurisdiction over matter termed "spiritual " aa long as there are no physical harm. Let any lawyer prove me wrong on this

So if the man say you have to pray and fast for 30 days in faith for the product to work, the law will still not condemn him. And to prove you actually fasted for the 30days is another thing the law will not be able to prove

All he needs to tell the court that his products only works when you fast for 30days without food and with adequate faith. That's the end of the case

pek:
Going by your skewed opinion, VDM is then right cause he bought the products and they didn't work

The product is said to work with a mix of faith. Can vdm prove he applied the faith?

Unfortunately law does not work like how we think.

Bunkum
Absolute bunkum from paid praise singers

Akwa ibom is becoming dirtier than it was previously. I was surprised how the city I boast so much about is becoming that dirty. People empowerment? Haven't seen any

For a state with one of the highest allocations

Kobojunkieee:
Anyone who knows them knows well their candidate of choice. That much has never been hidden. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

2. I have severally made myself clear on this so I don't know why you think feigning ignorance even at this point in the conversation will help your argument.

3. Your private delusions regarding what is written in the book called the Bible do not grant you the freedom to commit fraud against others. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

4. The reason wey you dey mouth off has to do with the fact that the Nigerian system— particularly the criminal justice system— remains fked up, thanks to the efforts of your religious gods of men in Nigeria.

1. Objective evidence bro Objective evidence. In the intellectual field we put objective facts in front. Facts that have no contrasting interpretations. Prove their candidates

2. Can you prove objectively that those are delusions? If you call a pastor a fraudster, you will likely lose in court. Because you will not be able to prove that the person he said "God bless you to, was not blessed". I think the court is in a better position to define what a fraud is. And up to date they haven't declared any promises made on the basis of the Bible a fraud. So you know better than the custodians of the law?
3. What is obtainable in churches here is obtainable in churches abroad. Pastors from here still go to USA, UK etc and claim miracles and they are not arrested . Am not one of those who like to claim thst everything is wrong with a black man
If my argument sound religious to you, then you have a long way to go with understanding objective arguments or you are just being myopic
I have not said the miracle water is authentic, neither have I said pastors are not fake. I have only asked you that claim you know with 100% certainty that they are fake to prove it

Ohh lest I forget, the Bible also said "ye are gods"

Kobojunkieee:
1. The book was conjured in a human mind and written by a human being. It clearly indicates context and the fact that it belongs in fiction space. You, the reader are free to apply whatever particular delusion you please to its contents course, but that does not mean your interpretation should hold sway over the reality of things though for others.

2. Yes, as a matter of fact, the humans who authored each of the books contained in your Bible made clear the context and space to which their writings belonged. That much they made clear from thousands of years ago. The evidence is stated in the book by the authors. We may not know their actual names but we know their intentions as stated in their books. In the same way, the human author of the Harry Porter books made their intents clear, the authors of the books contained in the Bible also did.

1. Harry Potter is with certainty a fiction. So you can't also decide the right way to use it

2. What evidence was stated in the book by the authors?
Do you also know that the Bible has undergone hundreds.of translations where several meanings have been lost? Even some people also believe it's a fiction. And you cant even invalidate their belief
In summary what you believe the Bible said may have also been interpreted from the original manuscript. So again, can you prove with 100% certainly that what you know about the Bible is factual?

Kobojunkieee:
1. We all know that for many Christians, "voting their conscience" means the same as "voting the will of Daddy GO". It is pretty much the same everywhere else. 😁😁😁😁

2. Happier? How do you know they are not? The point here is that it is sheer wickedness(not merely foolishness) to allow oneself to be used as a tool to impede on the happiness, no matter how small it may seem, of others.

3. Again, in every country out there, Fraud is illegal. Selling of fake products is fraud. Selling products with false labels and promises is fraud.

1. Did you hear the daddy GO mention any specific candidate? Answer that with a proof. Can you also mention with proof the will of the Daddy GO? With exact names mentioned?

2. I have asked before, in what way has the church been used to impede on people's happiness. Evidence here should be objective and If you want to go subjective then point me to where the validity and reliability of your assertions has been tested

3. False promises? If the man's promises were based on the Bible in any way then you can't call it fraud. If it's fraud many pastors should have be prosecuted for telling all their members that none of them will die this year and yet some died
As for the false labels, if it was labeled miracle water, you need to proof what a miracle is before you can say you are certain the water isn't. What are the primary ingredients of an original miracle water?

Kobojunkieee:
1. You can play the same trick using the Harry Potter Book too but that does not mean that is what the Harry Potter book is about. So what?

2. Yes, the book called the Bible contains stories of men who once lived. There are so many books like that out there. Choosing to pretend those tales apply to you as well does not change the fact that those stories are not of you or about you. The Bible has absolutely nothing to do with your many religious delusions.

1. So who has the absolute right and Knowledge to determine what the Harry Potter book is about? Do you have an empirical evidence that what you believe the book is about is what it is about?
2. Do you have absolute right and knowledge to say with 100% certainty that the Bible has nothing to do with the so called delusions? Are you the author? Were you the interpreter? What empirical evidence do you have that your own view about the Bible is correct?

nedu666:
Pls show us where the disciples or apostles sold the grace of God

This one off me
Some denominations don't believe in the disciples approach to Christianity.

The Bible didn't specifically mention that all the jews owned at least one lamb when they were in Egypt. Neither did it mention that lamb was distributed for free. So there is a probability that the lamb some Israelite used in the passover were sold to them. So they bought the instrument of protection.


Do what you want with that information. Let me not fail to mention, I don't believe in those miracle things, but I don't also see those that believe as fools

Kobojunkieee:
1. See this one! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

2. The nation is being driven in the wrong direction, a direction which is impacting all Nigerians, both religious and none. A major part of the problem is the existence of zombie-ism among the populace. The most devasting is the use of the manipulation of the will of the people by the political class through the use of religion. This is clear to any honest Nigerian out there. But here you consider it emotional illiteracy to clearly identify this and point out those who are involved in this manipulation. No be mumu dem dey call that?

3. Foolish? These people's selfish desire for hope leads them to submit themselves to be used as tools to impede the happiness of others. That's more like blatant wickedness in my book.

4. Fraud is illegal as far as every country I know of.

2. I am only interested in churches. And for the last election most churches emphasized voting your conscience. Only very few mentioned Amy candidate. So if people had obeyed the churches we could have at least be proud of the people we voted for. So if church goers were actually zombies they could have followed that instruction to the last. But in the same church many voted to apc, many pdp, many lp. So can you define the meaning of Zombie again. Are zombies not suppose to move towards the same direction?

3. Can you prove that people who don't go to church are happier than those who go? Can you point me to any study carried out on that? If you can't then the argument that churches impede on the happiness of others cannot be valid

4. Fraud is illegal in every country
But the definition of fraud is where the variation enters
Just like rape is illegal in every country. But the definition of rape differs
So what is fraud again?
As far as Iknow, no law has declared the Bible a fraud. So If pastor says give and it shall be given back to you, that can't be a fraud legally, because it was taken from the Bible context

Kobojunkieee:
The Bible has absolutely nothing to do with what your Pastorpreneurs do which is clearly fraud. Selling hope in a bottle is fraud when all it probably contains is nothing but gnut oil is fraud.

Lol
That's where you get it wrong
All of them find a section of the Bible for what they do. Whether it is right or wrong.

Did the Bible describe the exact oil Saul and David were anointed with? Who said it was olive oil? How sure are you it wasn't groundnut oil?
The ordinary handkerchief taken from Paul to heal many should also be classified as fraud. Afterall it was an ordinary handkerchief
The rod of Moses, do you know if it was just ordinary wood?
So according to pastors, a ground nut oil that is prayed over by a true prophet is no longer ordinary.
It's now left for the church goers to decide if they are following a true prophet

And in the law of live and let live, it's best to leave them alone

Kobojunkieee:
1. As long as they are employed by the political class to destroy the nation, a connection exists between the two groups. By the way, the vast majority of them are poor and illiterate. That there are some billionaires, and professors, caught in that net does not and cannot change this fact.

2. We have people who allow themselves to be used as tools against the progress of an entire nation. That is a problem. Any other life than one where they are tools in the hands of those who defraud them and generations after them of a decent future would suffice.

3. No one needs to know 100% of life to live a decent life. Making the right choices in one's life is all that is necessary.

1. Lol few wealthy you say? Few wealthy built edifices worth billions of naira? And almost all state in Nigeria have at least one or two of these edifices and you say few wealthy?. Do you know the cost of glory dome? Ark of God, faith tabernacle? Name them. Ohhh you think it's a poor man's 10k faith seed that will build that? Several churches run on tens of millions monthly budget. You think it's still a poor man's 100 naira?. Lots of churches can't even build a car park enough for their members and you say few wealthy? So in your little mind most wealthy people are not religious?

Oya how many wealthy Nigerians do you know that are not religious let's start there.

3. It's foolishness to decide for anyone who is living within the ambits of the law what a decent life will be to them. And it's emotional illiteracy thinking that what u see as a right choice to you should be a right choice to another.

I am not even that religious. I am someone that don't see people as foolish when they live their life the way they find happiness living it. As long as they are not against the law

And even at that what is illegal in your country may be legal in another country. So how exactly do you define "right"

saddler:
More like because a 419 doesn't steal by using guns or knife, he should be allowed to continue to defraud people because he is not forcing them to part with their money.

See your sense

What is fraud?
1. A lawyer won't call what most of these pastors do as fraud because there are critical elements that must be present before something is called a fraud

2. If you also delve deep into psychology you will know why a person wrongly diagnosed of cancer will start withering away faster than a person who has cancer but was told he doesn't
3. Am saying that to say this, if 200 people use that soap, at least 5 people will likely come back with testimonies because of number 2

Until the law classifies the Bible as fraud, what the pastors do cannot be called fraud. Ask any lawyer and get their response. Calling a pastor a fraud can land you in jail

Kobojunkieee:
1. Obviously, their education amounts to nothing if they are used in the same way as the Almajiris of the north, does it now?

2. You mean your church businesses which litter all of the south much like the Almajiri schools that litter the north? Both are funded by the efforts of the slaves they house. Both are edifices that produce nothing in terms of actual gains to the economy except brainwashed minds. 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

3. Looking for how to die outside? So in your religiously deluded minds, those who live outside of your brainwashing circles are people who are outside looking for ways to die? 😂😂😂😂

4. What exactly is wrong with being committed to such things for Pete's sake? So long as they do not constitute a nuisance to the progress of an entire people/nation, what is wrong with that? 🤔

First putting almajiri in this conversation is a useless one
Second no matter how much better you think you know more than those religious ones, a lot of them are billionaires, professors, impacting the world in different spheres, business tycoons. You can't even stand where a whole lot of them are standing.
It's very delusional to think you know how life should be lived better than millions of these people

Or is there anything thinking like you can offer them that they don't have already? So in essence live your life the way you want to live it, and allow others to live theirs the way they want as long as nobody is encroaching the other person's life

Nobody knows anything about this life with 100% certainly, it's childiishness, foolishness with a touch of baseless pride to think what you know is a certainty and billions of others are foolish

Kobojunkieee:
These religious zombies may seem harmless to you but they are part reason for the problem that is Nigeria. We speak of the Almajiri system in the North that is used by the political class to forward their political agendas but conveniently ignore the same in the south— the religious zombies, the religious sheeple of their various pastorpreneurs. They are a problem and the problems need exposure. Exposing the lies of their fraudulent puppet masters is a good place to begin and what this man is doing, I applaud.

First almajiri has absolutely no relationship with this topic. Those so called religious zombies are mostly very well educated and doing absolutely well in their field of endeavors. Those church buildings u see there are built will billions of naira and its not a poor man project. There are mega wealthy men sponsoring those projects and you are in no position to detect to them how they use their money

Meanwhile for lots of their members, the only thing left in their life is the hope that those pastirs keep giving them. Separate a lot of them from those hopes and they will be dead inside looking for how to die outside

The same way people are committed to supporting football clubs, attending concerts, clubbing, going for therapies etc, those who also attend those churches for the sake of their emotional needs should be left to do their thing

I just hope everybody will learn to mind their business
Nobody is being deceived. His members know exactly what they are doing and even social media will not sway them. A lot of times people tend to stick where they can get hope. Because minus that hope that pastors and prophets give (fake or original) a lot of persons would have been dead by now.

He should be allowed to sell his goods in peace. Let those that buy it decide for themselves if it works or not. Afterall he is not putting gun to anybody head to buy

Keep quoting me. I am very unapologetic on what I said. Those adults in his church choose to be there and consume his products. In the eyes of the law you can't also prove the originality of anything termed "spiritual ". Because you can't also prove that you have fulfilled the terms of engagement

So in simple terms you can't cry more than the bereaved. If people feel happy going there let them continue.

Chinkoalhaji34:
Toh, finally some action!

It's about time we see more security presence during these marches. Better safe than sorry, right?

Bot may 15 2020 reporting on duty

Enough with protests
The best place to protest should be at the polls. But no we will allow the worst candidates to win. Only to start protesting later