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Truthseeker10:
lol.....so Christians who are poor today are still poor because they are not giving much according to luke 6:38?

So Apostle Paul and John the Baptist and Apostle Peter were imprisoned because they were poor?

Stick to the Bible and stop running around. Why run away from a Bible topic u mentioned first

Ignorance is not being able to decipher that we are in a dispensation totally different from the Bible days. Preaching as a poor man today will likely land u in prison

And have u repeatedly ignored the part where u would rather open ur doors for a wealthy unbeliever than a poor man in rags who is a preacher

Truthseeker10:
So the rich man story and Luke 6:38 does not apply to us as Christians today?
Why are running from the question below.

So Christians who are poor are those who do not give according to Luke 6:38, even if they manage to give little from what they have, they would remain poor according to Luke 6:38 because they did not give much?


So the reason why unbelievers and lgbtq guys are spreading and pushing resources is because they don't have Christians in their area who are preaching the gospel?

You mentioned the rich man story focus on it. Nobody in the Bible gave and died poor because of his giving. Kindly mention one and I will deactivate my account. So Jesus didn't tell the rich man to come and give and become poor

If you preach the gospel today as a poor man, there is a high probability you will end up in prison.

Am glad you ignored where I said even you will not open your door for a man in rags carrying a Bible to preach to you

Truthseeker10:
So Christians who are poor are those who do not give according to Luke 6:38, even if they manage to give little from what they have, they would remain poor according to Luke 6:38 because they did not give much?


Oga don't you think that the spreading of the good news is a gradual process, and where does the bible teach that it is only so-called pastors who are the only ones that should preach the gospel?

You keep beating about the bush, Jesus's asked the rich man to give, same Jesus made the statement in Luke 6:38. I don't know God to contradict himself. So let's stay focused on the rich man story, afterall you were the one that brought it up

Spreading of the gospel is a gradual process but unbelievers and LGBTQ guys are pushing in resources and you think God is not wise to know your slow process won't fly today

Even you here talking will not open your doors to a poor man on rags with a Bible. Is that not hypocrisy?

Truthseeker10:
I asked you if Jesus promised the man material wealth if he gave out his possessions to the poor in Matthew 29:11, you quoted Luke 6:38. So according to Luke 6:38, are Christians who are not rich today poor because they did not give?


Do you mean that there are no Christians who are already in india who can preach in India today?
Why must a pastor in Nigeria have to Travel to India to preach if the church has no means to accomplish that?

And I answered you that Jesus already laid out what happens to those who give, or did he tell the rich ruler that he was exempted from Luke 6:38
All I know is the what is written in the Bible is the final verdict,

I used India as an example, now tell me how a poor pastor can take the gospel to a country or a location where there are currently no Christians?
I want to know how a poor pastor can reach the unreached in places where the gospel is yet to permeate

Truthseeker10:
King James Bible
Give, and it shall be given unto you; good measure, pressed down, and shaken together, and running over, shall men give into your bosom. For with the same measure that ye mete withal it shall be measured to you again.
So according to the verse above, Christians who are not rich materially are those who do not give?

If there are other Christians in India, why not support or exhort them to preach over there instead of the pastor going there from Nigeria?

Jesus told the rich ruler to give, and I gave you a Bible verse that shows what the ruler should be expecting if he had obeyed
How does that relate to your "Christians who are not rich............." statement?

Tell me how a poor pastor can support Christians in india?? Be practical please

Truthseeker10:
did Jesus promise him financial prosperity on earth if he followed him according to Matthew 29:11?



Lol....so Christians can be poor....but they should lack nothing, right?

What should church donations by members of the church be used for?

Luke 6:38 was a promise to givers

Yes Christians can be poor but that falls.below the minimum standard. Christians are not meant to beg for bread

Church donations you say? Who will bring the money na? So a poor pastor will suddenly have wealthy members, in today's world? Wake up bro
Tell me how a poor pastor can raise 10Million naira for mission field. You sure don't know how expensive it is to spread the gospel today

I repeat myself any pastor that can raise 10M for gospel activities is not poor

And the gospel of a poor man in today's world is more like a noise. If the man is unlucky, people might even call police for his arrest. In the same UK street preachers can be arrested for public disturbance, wealth pastors from Nigeria here are packing out arenas

Truthseeker10:
Non of the above names was poor.

King James Bible
For ye know the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ, that, though he was rich, yet for your sakes he became poor, that ye through his poverty might be rich.

So when Jesus was poor on earth according to the above verse that you quoted, did that make him unfit for your so-called "financial sermon"?


3 John 1:2
King James Bible
Beloved, I wish above all things that thou mayest prosper and be in health, even as thy soul prospereth

So when Jesus told the young rich ruler to give out his possessions to the poor, Jesus was telling him to do something that would not make him to prosper?

Unpopular opinion
1st the rich ruler couldn't have been poor in the end if he followed the words of Jesus. I know some people who sold everything to sponsor a project or program in church and today they aren't poor

2nd: Nothing is wrong with a pastor who is still struggling financially, same way nothing is wrong with a very rich pastor. I myself prefer to be under the tutelage of the latter

3rd
Jesus lacked nothing while on earth, so the minimum standard should rather be "lack nothing "

Finally in today's world, the gospel of a poor man will likely be a noise. Example is the morning street preacher, even the speaker he will use is money, so probably he will be shouting "repent" in a nosiy environment. Real gospel today takes millions to spread. If God calls a man. Things are changing and God is not unwise not to prepare and position his people to evolve with the evolving world...

Now tell me how a poor pastor in Nigeria can reach lost souls in india

Truthseeker10:
can you quote one verse of this financial sermon that is directed to Christians?

Does Jesus statement in Matthew 19:21 answer your above?

King James Bible
Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me.

Lol
I want to know between Abraham, Isaac, Moses, Jacob, David, Solomon who was poor?
What happened to 2nd corr 8:9
3 John 1:2

So pastor should teach me salvation and Elon musk or dangote should teach my financial wealth

Na wa oooo

parags:
Not surprised @ your reply . I will shift oh abeg before.....

You should rather be surprised how off the point your posts are with respect to my post that you decided to mention in the first place

Truthseeker10:
So what's your point....that Jesus would not allow a poor man to bury him?

If a poor man buried him, how would Isaiah 53;9 be fulfilled?
Nothing wrong with a Christian who is struggling financially, in same way Nothing wrong with a very wealthy Christian. Both are all very important in the kingdom

parags:
Smh . You need to improve on your understanding of what people say and stop reading to reply. Even with your pastor's financial teachings, I doubt you understand anything .

My point is prosperity pastors should not say things like Jesus hates poor people or that because an apostle "appeared" not to have money , his children are nowhere to be found . It has no biblical foundation.

I know you will still miss the point and read to respond .

This thing you just wrote now, does it make sense to you?
How does it relate to my post about Joseph of Arimathea that you first quoted?
What's my business with utterances of one or two people

Shift a little abeg

femi4:
If you can't link both....you ll have to go back to Bible school. Unfortunately, I can't spoon feed you

Na wa oooo
See human being na

Ignorance + pride
What a dangerous combo

TradingGod:
God bless you my brother in the Lord


2 Corinthians 8:9 For ye know the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ, that, though he was rich, yet for your sakes he became poor, that ye through his poverty might be rich.

These people forget that no christian, whether pastor or members is suppose to be poor once he becomes a christian

They are judas na
The same person stealing was questioning why the expensive ointment was poured on Jesus instead of the poor. Assuming Judas existed today, people like them will be in full support that Jesus didn't deserve such luxury

femi4:
lolz...I have answered your question with scripture but unfortunately you couldn't come up with superior argument

I guess no sense of brilliance to decipher

Oga relate isaiah 53:9 to your donkey story or did Jesus make his grave with the donkey?
Na wa ooooo
People will just come out will their full chest and be talking what they don't know

parags:
Thanks for saying financial sermon. This is not about salvation or the matters of the heart. It is about financial sermons . Oga zion do you jare. You need financial education from financial pastors giving financial sermons . To every malam his kettle . End of discussion

Yeah I prefer financial education from financially established pastors that from wealth unbelievers

I will prefer my pastor to me ways to financially prosper from his rich understanding of God's word than for people like Elon musk to do so

That's why I also wish my pastor can be even more wealthier than Elon musk

You probably must have gone to school where in 1 year up to 8 different courses were taught you and you didn't complain that they should only teach one course, but you have a mentality that it's not possible for pastors to preach different aspects of the gospel. It must all be salvation every day.
Even Jesus teachings touched all aspects of life. So please do well to improve on your mentality

parags:
This is why is exactly why I asked that question. So who is associating everything poverty with Jesus ? Of course there are wealthy people around Jesus along side poor people not true christian who reads his Bible and do not wait for a pastor to tell them things in Sundays.

However it is these prosperity pastors and their impressionable followers who are saying Jesus dislikes poor people . Fatoyinbo said the children of a renowned apostle are nowhere today because their father was "poor". One even said Jesus hated poor people . Please make it make sense .

OK I prefer my pastor to be on the "wealthy side" of the people around Jesus.
If you desire prosperity for yourself, and you don't think pastors deserve the same prosperity, is that not witchcraft??

Those pastors you Mentioned are on their own, they were not mentioned in the Bible as standards for Christianity neither am I obligated to generalize all pastors because of the actions and utterances of some

femi4:
Lolz

If you do Comprehension in English...you ll understand better

How did the prophecy of him riding on a colt as a King fulfilled. Wasn't the colt gotten free

Mt 21: 2-3

saying to them, “Go to the village ahead of you, and at once you will find a donkey tied there, with her colt by her. Untie them and bring them to me. 3 If anyone says anything to you, say that the Lord needs them, and he will send them right away

Are you not the one who is supposed check if your English comprehension is OK
What is the relationship between this your write up and Isaiah 53:9

That's the problem people like you have, even if you think you know what the verse says, why don't you open your Bible and do a little confirmation check

NuCypher:
Who's talking about pastors being beggars? Why do you guys like doing this false equivalency? Can't pastors just be regular people with simple means, just like every regular Joes in society?

I rather prefer pastors to be very wealthy with every means legal and honest
I want the person giving me financial sermon to be an epitome of prosperity

I believe simple means entails huzzling like the common man on the street and doing jobs like truck pushers. How Will they rich and mighty now attend the church of poor pastors? Or is Christianity not for them too?

parags:
I dislike discussions without a focal point . What are you trying to say exactly ?

I am saying exactly that Jesus was in a rich man's tomb, a well constructed tomb

You guys should stop associating Jesus and his disciples with everything poverty

femi4:
The narrator explained that he was a disciple of jesus despite being rich.

His wealthy status was additional info for description..never a condition attached to releasing Jesus' body.

It was not recorded that pilate released Jesus body to him because he was rich

Mt 27:57-58

57 As evening approached, there came a rich man from Arimathea, named Joseph, who had himself become a disciple of Jesus. 58 Going to Pilate, he asked for Jesus’ body, and Pilate ordered that it be given to him.

So we were being told despite he was rich he was a disciple?
Or we were given a glimpse of the fulfillment of Isaiah 53:9

So how would that prophecy be fulfilled if a poor man went to ask for the body of Jesus

parags:
Because the 12 ran away. Even Peter denied him because the mob were ready to kill all his disciples alongside . There was no other implied reason for that . Any "wealth" reason is another distortion of the bible

Then why was "wealthy" used to describe him? Why wasn't he just described as "a disciple" that he was?

Would pilate have released the body to a poor man who had no tomb or sepulcher?

femi4:
None of the 12 could stay around. They were afraid of being recognised and crucified with Jesus

Why then was there need to describe Joseph's wealth in Mathew 27:57-60
And do you think pilate would have released the body to a nobody or a poor man?

Wizardslayer:
But our daddy pastors in Nigeria claim that Jesus is billionaire who never visited any poor man in his missionary life while on earth.

Nigeria mega rich pastors won't like your submission here.

Why was is it Joseph of arimanthea who was not one of the 12 that the body of Jesus was handed over to?

Zico5:
Peter could not even afford simple thing of life despite being number one disciple of Jesus christ. But here in Nigeria, you will see a pastor because he can steal from church purse castigating a refered man of God for being poor.

So in other words, pastors shouldn't be able to afford the simple things of life
Na wa oooo
So they should be beggars

You can't be a real Christian without going to church even if it is once in a while
You don't need to go to church is one of the lies devil tell people for a start. It's like "let me just put the tip" when he knows fully that the target is to pull you away totally from God

They are all just ignorant tools in the hands of politicians. That is the greatest arsenal possessed by politicians. Remove it and see Nigerians join hands together to elect the best leaders and defend their votes as well.
Funny enough, the high and mighty deep hands in the same pot without giving a thought about tribe, but you see these poor people littered here....... I rest my case

Let's build a society that encourages hardwork. That's the way it should be

Cosbyrich:
Yes,I support him amongst the other candidates especially from the South because they move the nation forward whenever they are there.
We are all feeling the transition pain but it is getting milder and things will be better very,very soon.
God will use President Tinubu to put Nigeria and Nigerians on the prosperity path.
No gain without pain.

Wait for the one they are soon planning to do
2yrs transition pains abi
Next year will be the bomb
Then plans are underway to privatize some national assets. Good enough he has people like you to defend it in the name of prosperity path

Politics in this era is sure the sweetest job. Do your thing, there will always be people in your defense

Staunch tinubu supporter
That surcharge should be your least concern by January
Also want to let you know that tinubu is cooking something for himself and his unborn generations, once they are able to paint the news well, it will come out for you staunch supporters to defend too.

I am loving the multiple taxation. I was just laughing when i got the info, didn't know it will online this soon. You buy 1 litre of fuel, you pay tinubu #42.

We are yet to see anything. When January comes and people come to really realize there are several interpretations of the tax bill not on the internet, fresh wailing will commence

Tinubu
Keep taxing us joor
Finish us with taxes
We pay with joy, on your mandate we shall stand

Paid protesters
Paid by those their embezzlement schemes are being threatened
Most of them there don't even know why they are there