₦airaland Forum

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Don't you guys think ahead? Don't you see that it's still poor people that will suffer this more? Dangote will simply increase importing crude which will likely lead to increase in price of petrol. SMH

First dangote will lose billions
He has already sacked the poor man. So other poor men will come fighting

Then when pengassan takes the matter to UN, he won't even get the crude supply sef. Because his business become known as modern slavery
Go and read ILO conventions well

Dangote, it's time to start dancing the dance

Even though the news is not correct and it's not possible to shut dangote down as pengasson does not have that power

But they will soon play drums for dangote. You wake up and sent people home without caring how you not only damage their lives but that of all their dependents

chidiokay:
Unions are merely intermediary, that they are referred as people mouthpiece ...its doesnt mean Nigerians dont have mouths We can speak for ourselves via conseus in absence of " Union"

i went to Unilorin, not under " Union" but i never saw my lecturer grumble or look unfresh due to poor welfare package that made me conclude Unions are relevant in a place of failed leaders

If there was no Union there would have being means govt n the people will dialogue afterall these politicians speak directly to the people when they want our votes

The 70k labour agreed with FG, is that what Nigerians wanted, at what Time have unions gotten Nigerians what they want, or meet expectations


LOL !! 300k cant do groceries Uncle naa Foreign garri n shark you dey buy put for house 🤣🤣

Let me ask you a question how many workers in your neighbourhood you think say dey earn 300k ... does it mean they are not eating or their children are not eating

Nobody is arguing with you 300k is a lot, But the reality is minimum wage is 70k meaning lots of Nigerians no even smell 300k in a month ... reality

Nobody living in my neighborhood can earn less than 500k monthly, just to let you know. Change your circle so you stop thinking at the level you are

Union is optional, the law only states that, when a worker voluntarily joins Union, you have no rights to victimize the person. I didn't see pengassan forcing anybody to join

kokoA:
How much is BUA and others selling cement? If Dangote was the problem then why are his competitors not selling cheaper or they don't like money to like Ameachi?

Yeah selling cement at the price it is is justified na. As I said u only know dangote online, I know his business far beyond what is online. Obviously you don't know how dangote is fighting BUA tooth and nail
And you don't also know why BUA stepped back from his massive price cut.

Let's keep supporting dangote na.

When pengassan acts, dangote can shout to the moon. You wake up sack workers for joining union. Breadwinners ooooo, who only wants to identify with people who can speak for them. You pay Indians who don't even have degrees millions and Nigerians with masters less than 350k.

Even business people have unions. I am glad pengassan is not nupeng. Dangote will soon start screaming persecution

kokoA:
Dangote is not your national oil company, he is not the one that stopped NNPC from fixing refineries that were built with your money, he is not even the only business man in Nigeria, he could have used his money to build the biggest petrol deport in the world here and keep importation running, technically he doesn't owe Nigerians a dime! He is just being patriotic, even more than you guys claiming he is dumping the country.

OK na, we are saying the same thing. If he can sell his products at whatever amount he wants, then he should stop blackmailing nnpc with selling crude to him at cheaper prices na. Let him buy at the price others are buying and sell how much he wants to sell na

I love the way u guys love him, somebody owing your country billions of naira. Patriotic indeed, mining cheap limestone and selling costly cement

CaptainGo:
You that is not greedy, what is your contribution to humanity?

Nothing
So dangote our life saver should with us anything he wants

joefelin2345:
Oga no be by force for them to work in that Coy. They could go & start their own businesses if they like. No one is unduly supporting DF in this matter. Beside, what are the benefits from these so called Unions to the Nation. The FG once bought serries of Vehicles for them to run cheap Transport business for their members. Where are those vehicles today? They have been ran a ground which means they can't even manage simple businesses . But they can only be shouting on their employers & just making names for themselves.
We've seen one of their top members that rose to govern a State. What's his achievements while there if I may ask?

Don't worry, mark this post, dangote will soon be crying
1st, the people who drill the oil he is using are pengassan memebrs abi. You will know what happens when pengassan goes on strike. Even tinubu will show face from wherever he is.

2nd where he can get crude supply shebi the country is a member of UN and signatory to ILO conventions. He will get crude in a country where it is illegal and punishable to sack workers for joining union.


On this matter, dangote will back down. He will cry and back down. You guys should be prepared to cry with him when he starts crying

maiunguwar:
A recent report concluded that 90 percent of people in paid employment in Lagos earn less than 150k a month. Do we blame Dangote for that or the government or the workers?
What exactly is the work of the Unions

Now you have jumped into another lane, let me still clear you small
There is something called industry benchmark
Oil industry and banking industry is not the same

So pengassan will fight for dangote to pay their members based on the industry benchmark

I wish you will realize how childish it is to compare refinery workers with government workers

Research how well refinery workers abroad earn compared to their counterparts in other industries

kokoA:
Make Una dey understand before Una condemn biko. Baba has been selling his petrol in Dollars since he built his refinery because he buys his raw material (Crude oil) in dollars, FG decided to start giving him crude in naira so he can sell to Nigerians in naira, but we know he still imports crude because NNPC don't have enough to give him. Now the allocation from NNPC is finished, do you still expect him to sell in Naira because he wants to please Nigerians? It's business not a charity. We should rather channel out energy towards government to renew the crude sales in Naira deal with him.

That's why I said chakam na
I love the way dangote uses you guys' brain
I love the guy sha
All hail your messiah. Fuel will soon be 1k. And you will still blame government

1 barrel is 60 to 65 dollars, that's 90k
Petrol yield 70L, the rest 80L will include Jet fuel, kerosene, diesel etc

Have you asked yourself why dangote is churning out billions of profits in cement production at the expense of a common Nigerian buying cement at high price despite the raw materials being mined in kogi and edo

I love the way you guys defend the guy while he rides on your support into billions

maiunguwar:
What will his members being in PENGASON achieve for his refinery?

The naira kept climbing since the time of Buhari through to Tinubu but stabilized when dangote products hit the market and still holding,why is that so?

In the locust years when we imported all manner of petroleum products including fake and dirty fuel,why didn't the big boys build a refinery or even managed the NNPC own?

Anybody that can come with 20B dollars to build a refinery anywhere in the world is a big boy by every definition.

Dangote can avoid Chevron, Total and the likes to source his crude from Angola,Ghana and the US and still remain competitive

You talked about changing the landscape in petroleum industry, I told you he is not even recognized in that field. You could have just said changing Nigerian economy

Dangote is a very very big boy,.agreed, but he is not changing any landscape in the petroleum industry. Check nuprc 2024 report and tell me if he was mentioned tangibly there. You guys keep mentioning what you can't defend


Pengassan is not there to dabble into dangote's business or how he runs his refinery. They are only interested on how he treats his staffs.

So I want to know the relationship between nnpc fuel importation and pengassan. Or do you keep saying what you don't know

Don't worry pengassan is coming, and when they come, dangote should not cry ooooo. You don't fight such unions that way, more than 80% of pengassan leaders are not your regular Nigerians oo and they earn salaries in millions. They are not hungry and they will bring out time to deal with dangote. By the time they take the case to UN ILO that a company in Nigeria is boldly contravenining one of the core pillars of ILO, you guys should not cry foul

The internet is promising a lot of things
Putting people in unnecessary pressures

Everybody is wealthy online.

chidiokay:
Once again you lie !! the job/ profession with biggest hazard are Military/police, Zoo keepers, Fire brigade to mention few They dont earn more than Doctors, Nurses, Lawyers in developed countries ... what are you saying

Wrestlers,UFC fighter are more open to Life threat in Sport world .. But they dont earn as much as footballers or basketballers ..

Generally how many Nigeria workers are earning more than 300k sef, you claim to be realistic but you are not acting like you know 70k is the minimum wage

I thought you are educated, cos i dont know how you will Miss the Fact that " Minimum wage" is the main regulator of Remuneration across private & public sector, its more reasonable we focus on FG not Dangote

Dont feel sorry for someone you dont know, I dont have business with Dangote he doesnt hold or influence the standard or cost of living,

Dangote does business, pay Tax, contribute SR, creat employment ... how is he Nig. problem

Am still sorry for your lil brother if he works for dangote, I know very well how they can't even compare to their mates in the oil and gas industry

Oga am not talking about entertainment here
When you remove entertainment, do that your analysis again and come back

You hate union abi, but you are mentioning 70k, if union didn't exist would government have given you 70k minimum wage

Mentioning 300k shows the level you are coming from no wonder you think you lil bros earning less than 500k is doing well
300k that can't even do only groceries. A 6months baby alone will consume more than 120k a month. Calculate pampers, Baby milk and come back

Nah am not educated but am schooling you. I can even tell you your brother's salary if you give me his name. Just 3 calls and boom.you get it

maiunguwar:
Dangote is just one year old,he has transformed the petroleum landscape in Nigeria,we no longer spend scarce forex to import petroleum products, that means the naira is no longer under unnecessary pressure because petroleum products imports constitute the biggest drawdown of forex. We are also in the unique position to earn money forex and further stabilize the naira because the refinery was also designed for export.

Una wan carry una bad belle from Nupeng come dabaru him business for am

So how does his members being in pengassan stop him from doing all these Please be practical.

Before dangote refinery- naira was 1,500 to 1600
After dangote refinery it's in between
Tell me more about naira stabilization

Note am relating to you at the grassroots level because it's obvious you know nothing much about the Petroleum industry
For you info, the big players in the Petroleum industry in Nigeria don't care about dangote. His company doesn't even represent in any way when the big boys are talking
It's only because nnpc is government owned that's why they are even dangling with dangote. The likes of total, Chevron and even seplat don't care

Feelsgood:
I was there about 3 years ago for a project on the facility. I couldn't believe my eyes what I saw and experienced there. Coming from a background where we don't settle for less in the oil and gas industry...na only me advice myself to quickly leave that place. Safety wise(0%), Labour wages/salary/compensation na just nonsense for the Nigerian workers. Na the Indians and Chinese worker dey enjoy. I pitied my fellow Nigerians i saw working with little or no safety barriers to aid them work safely in that facility. Alot of people lost their lives on that project but the management suppresses that information from leaking out to the public.

Leave your fellow Nigerians
This is a country where we side with our oppressors because they have the loudest voice

Leave matters, dangote knows why he hates anything that will give his workers voice

Go to ibadan expressway and see what slave camp looks like

Same Indians are running dangote plants.

maiunguwar:
Total, Chevron and Seplat don't operate refineries in Nigeria.
Dangote alluded to the sacked workers as saboteurs,we knew what he meant,if you don't know,na you sabi

So pengassan in upstream is not bad, but pengassan in middlestream is bad
Wow
Tell me more. Even pengassan president is not from the refinery
So according to you if Chevron operate refineries, they will not allow pengassan, na wa oooo

madridguy:
Obi should not take his cho cho cho reach our royal father side. Oba Olubadan is not your mate, he is old enough to your father.

If you need attention, go and famz with your mates and leave our royal father out of this.

May reign of Olubadan be long, peaceful and prosperous.

Kabiyesi fun Olubadan tuntun, Oba Rasheed Ladoja.

So brother now denotes peer or age mate
Na wa oooo
See brains na
You are very intelligent (opposite) bro

Can sowore and vdm contest for presidency, I am feeling the guy
May the eagle land on electric wire with over 33kv voltage

stuffs2002:
If only you could read.

What Reno said was that if north did not abandon Buhari who failed, why should the south west abandon a performing Tinubu and Omokri went further to explain and give facts

That analogy wasn't needed in the first place if he himself believed tinubu was performing . Inferences are drawn using similar events

maiunguwar:
Oga, Dangote said he doesn't want union in his refinery, you either accept his condition of employment or you carry your Nupeng and PENGASON to your NNPC refineries since you said they are not dead

I'm sure you're member of the cabals in Nupeng and PENGASON that have milked the country and held progress hostage

Answer my question
How has pengassan milked nnpc refineries
Am surprised you are not mentioning total, chevron, seplat etc. Is it only nnpc that you know?

Dangote doesn't have the legal rights to go against Nigeria's labour laws, if he had balls, why didn't he announce he sacked them because of union. In just 7days even UN court will be treating the matter

You people always keep supporting illegality and sure you will taste it

chidiokay:
If Risk and likelihood of Death is the Scale of Renumeration

So why is a Dangote driver earning less than a staff pf Dangote in HR dept

How much is FG paying soldiers and how much is a councillor earning ...

If you must Argue, @least think before you talk

In saner climes risk x likelihood plays a good role in your earnings
Dangote drivers don't even earn up to 300k in this tinubu economy where that amount can even do groceries alone

So we are no down to FG paying soldiers as a benchmark. As I said before am sorry for that your lil brother, I believe he must have been sending put his CVs around.
Keep supporting a man who can't tangibly Raise his workers salaries when inflation went above 100%

Judolisco:
oga that's what I'm saying, Unionism under government owned agencies and institutions is understandable... Under a private firm is where I have issues....

IOCs are not government owned and good number of pengassan leaders are from there and there members are enjoying the privileges

Don't pray to work for dangote, I know a lot of his former staffs that have resigned to pick up contract jobs. Indians are treating people there as nothing and you don't want to to join a body that can speak for thm

Chakam
Let's go there
Before dangote sold the first litre of fuel I said it. I love the Man's business acumen oooo, but his refinery being a sigh of relief for Nigerians, impossible. He is too greedy for that

OK let's not yell them that due to maintenance, dangote will lose up to 50% productivity, therefore the best way to keep making profit is to hike fuel prices. OK ooo

Eniitankorede:
All workers of government refineries are Nupeng and Pengasan members. If refineries are sabotaged, just tell me who else must be involved in the sabotage. Secondly, all petrol tanker drivers diverting all our petrol to neighbouring countries, are they not Nupeng members? Is your question even necessary when the answer is obvious?

Oga petrol tank drivers are not pengassan members
Now answer my question objectively
How did the mechanical engineers, process, safety etc run down the refineries? Did they provide their accounts for people lifting products to pay into?

Judolisco:
You don’t need to ask me the times PENGASSAN has gone on strike, they are part of the Trade Union Congress, a sister body to the Nigerian Labour Congress...

The TUC and the NLC do go on strike together for reasons best known to them, so let’s assume TUC and NLC have a disagreement with the Federal Government and they mobilize for a 2-week strike... Dangote workers must join the strike in the spirit of unionism... Dangote a private-owned company oh...

Yes, life is not lived on social media. What some of us have done with unionism, most of you can’t do half of it... But on this occasion, I’ll support Dangote.

And you don't realize that without those strikes trying to checkmate the government, you won't even enjoy the minimum things you enjoy
How will a common man fight for minimum wage to be increased without unions

January is coming, if.you are employed, you will be earning less in January than what you earn today. Guess what, unions like pengassan have already gotten negotiations to ensure their members salaries don't get hit down.

Until you work under the mercy of FG.and State government where you can be owed for donkey months, you won't understand the importance of union fighting for the common man

maiunguwar:
Who then ran the refineries down? This is the template you want to transfer to dangote, the man get sense pass una

You said pengassan did, now answer my question
How did they do that?

Reason why people like you get into unnecessary problems, saying something you don't know

maiunguwar:
If NUPENG and PENGASON are so fantastic,why have all the NNPC refineries stopped working?

Oga I asked you a simple question
Provide me exactly how pengassan ran the refineries down

Let me come down a little, how did the normal maintenance engineer, operators, safety engineers run the refineries down? Did they have access to the monies the refinery was generating? Or did they destroy refinery equipment? Come out clean with how exactly you know they destroyed the refinery

Ruke1990:
if you are old enough, you should know frank kokori. That is the union leader that sacrificed his life for pengasson and nupeng to earn the huge pay they earned. He was jailed for many years and beaten by the millitary administrations until he lost his health and was only recently released from jail (less than 5 years ago) but didn't live long after. But his struggles is what made oil workers salaries to be increased. They actually earned peanuts before his time. Do you know that many oil company jobs were given out to contractors to supply contract staff and their salaries were massively splitted. After frank kokori era, None fought for them. No one fought against turning staff to casual workers, or reduction in salaries of so-called contract staff. MTN contracted all their work out so as to pay less. Till tomorrow, the telecom workers association didn't do anything about it. If you don't understand, pengasson and nupeng are not fighting for dangote staff interest, they are fighting for dues.

Dangote employs let's say 20,000 staff multiply by 10,000 monthly dues. They will make not less than N2, 400,000,000 yearly from dues collected from dangote staff salary. Did you not read that these unions already collect N50,000 dues per tanker loaded at dangote refinery. Obviously, they don't want to peg it to fixed monthly payments because one tanker can load many times in a month and that would be several billions of naira in dues. Is that the people you think are fighting for the workers interest? Do you know how many people have been laid off by oando, agip, MRS without union making any noise? Did otedola not tell you in his book of how he sacked people anyhow in his company, did pengasson or nupeng intervene?

You know nothing about pengassan
The frank you mentioned contributed his quota
You talk of leaders in pengassan fighting for dues, you mean people whose salaries are close to tens of millions already? Na wa oooo
The oando, agip and MRS staffs, are they pengassan members?
IOCs have been sacking people but do you know the hundred of millions they pay those people off with? You think they will care if they don't have union bodies to come for them?

Tinubu is about to sell off your Nigeria's most valued national assets, guess who is trying to fight it, pengassan. I guess people like you don't even know the effect that pia ammendment will have on your children tomorrow

1st: are you a pengassan member?
If you are not then stick your guns to where you belong
Pengassan members know how that union is benefitting them and they will join again and again and again if they are asked to do it again

The dangote workers voluntarily joined pengassan, nobody forced them oooo, so why are you complaining about their dues.

They keep borrowing
No accountability
Nobody is saying anything
With all the subsidy removal and more monies to politicians. Nigerians are being heavily taxed, providing most social amenities for themselves, no good roads, dilapidated schools, no good drainage, nothing nothing

Let me ask again, what exactly are we benefitting from the government

maiunguwar:
Just open your own business and allow saboteurs to crash it in the name of unionism. Who Nupeng epp

Can you explain how pengassan have saboteured any business?
Please if you call refinery, be specific on how they did it

So dangote refinery with highly hazardous working environment shouldn't have any union speaking for the welfare of its workers

Even business people form unions.