Atheist:-D:


If we said omnipotence was limitless due to the fact that we could not measure or ascertain the limits then we could draw conclusions. Say for instance the omnipotence is i, we could say deity a with an omnipotency of i is greater than another deity b with an omnipotency of y by an amount known as x:

This is of course not true omnipotency however one could argue that if it is beyond our measuring or comprehension it is omnipotent.

MacDaddy01:


Do you have some problems? You come on my thread and insult me then go ahead to post some inane and off topic nonsense

The ability to speak many languages will require the ability not to be Multilingual

MacDaddy01:


Remember that you are supposed to be a christian with morals.

Mr_Anony:
Oh don't worry, it's a "logical question" you think yourself smart so I am attacking your smartness which should be your nature by presuming that you don't possess it ...... in the same way you are trying to undermine God's omnipotence by first presuming that he isn't.

Atheist:-D:


If we said omnipotence was limitless due to the fact that we could not measure or ascertain the limits then we could draw conclusions. Say for instance the omnipotence is i, we could say deity a with an omnipotency of i is greater than another deity b with an omnipotency of y by an amount known as x:

This is of course not true omnipotency however one could argue that if it is beyond our measuring or comprehension it is omnipotent.

MacDaddy01:


So, you cant expose my "logic" without calling me foolish and bringing my mother into it?



Are you a good christian?

MacDaddy01:

I see.

I wonder why people then bother with what is beyond our comprehension.

Mr_Anony:
Oh don't worry, it's a "logical question" you think yourself smart so I am attacking your smartness which should be your nature by presuming that you don't possess it ...... in the same way you are trying to undermine God's omnipotence by first presuming that he isn't.

Martian:

You should learn to ignore some posts and stop getting your panties in a bunch over silly questions .

Assuming your god exists and is indeed omnipotent, what is a rock to him but a pebble? He created galaxies and superstructures so this little paradox is nothing to him.

But you take the question personal because your idea of god is what's under attack not "god" himself.

Mr_Anony:
Wrong. Immediately you say that something is "more omnipotent" than another, then you have created a limit for one of the deities therefore one of the deities is not omnipotent. Something that is limitless is simply limitless. It is absurd to say that something is a limited limitless entity

Martian:

You should learn to ignore some posts and stop getting your panties in a bunch over silly questions .

Assuming your god exists and is indeed omnipotent, what is a rock to him but a pebble? He created galaxies and superstructures so this little paradox is nothing to him.

But you take the question personal because your idea of god is what's under attack not "god" himself.

MacDaddy01:
Silly questions?
who is talking about a small rock? I am talking about a rock that can not be moved......it could have a galactic size.

Martian:

When you find yourself in a hole, just stop digging. In other words, quit while you're ahead.

Knight1: can't believe people took this thread seriously....smh.

op, assuming a Christian on NL says he's not nko? you think it affects God's power in anyway? please find yourself something to do. something useful.

MacDaddy01:


What is wrong with you? This arrogance will get you nowhere fast!

What hole are you talking about?


The statements here are quite logical. Omnipotence is a paradox.


You just come here and say that the question is stupid. You people have serious problems.

Atheist:-D:


They didn't even try to discuss my paradoxes mentioned related to omnipotency.

MacDaddy01:



lol...some are just hrt because their sky-daddy's abilities are being debunked

MacDaddy01: Omnipotence is a self-contradicting phenomena.


Omnipotence = ability to do all things

However, the ability to do all things would also require the ability not to be omnipotent!

MacDaddy01: Omnipotence is a self-contradicting phenomena.


Omnipotence = ability to do all things

However, the ability to do all things would also require the ability not to be omnipotent!

engrtee:

God works in mysterious ways dat we dont undastand.

Why should God remove the rock? When he can achieve d same purpose in many ways witout touching the rock.movin d rock .isnt d only solution to d issue.

Our problem is we want God to do exatly wot we want in d exact way we want it

MacDaddy01:

Nope.....epic fail


One can move a rock depending on the size of the rock and the person's ability.


Can God create a rock that he can not move?

Atheist:-D:


We have two types of limitless systems.
A) A limitless system which is a limited system that has limits beyond our capability to define. This makes it limitless until we define its limits
B) A truly limitless system whereby there is truly no limit. This is better expressed in the ideology of an omnipotent deity.

A truly limitless sytem can NEVER exist because the act of no limits creates paradoxes to prove that a limit must exist. The paradoxes themselves are technically the ultimate limits of the system.

Take for instance God as omnipotent, the limits to God's omnipotency are as thus:

1. God can create anything but God cannot create a being greater than himself
2. God cannot create and indestructible object but God can destroy evrrything. God cannot destroy an object He created to be indestructible to himself ensuring a paradox. Either He cannot create it or He cannot destroy it.
3. God cannot destroy Himself.

As some of the examples show, there are already limits on the limitless. This is all theoretical of course :-)

The OP:


Perhaps God can do all you have said but will NOT.

The OP: Even as humans there are some things we can do but will not do.

I can kill myself but will not.

caezar: I really, really, really should not be responding on this thread.

For one, the OP has not the capacity to comprehend my response, whether it be wrong or right. Also, this question has been beaten to death with answers, not least of which is the simple answer that the question is incoherent and illogical. But I think I have a resolution...

How does this relate to the stone?
Well, we can extrapolate this paradox to our own reality. We are beings observing God in a closed box. The fact that it appears to us that God cannot create a stone he cannot lift is due to the fact that we perceive the paradox as irreconcilable. This is a limitation on ourselves as observers not on God as an omnipotent being! We are trying to place limitations on a God that, by definition, created all things, by using tools that were, in the first place, created by that God. Therefore, the paradox is that we're trying to measure God using tools that he created!

The above paragraph is essentially a rehash of the incoherency argument. However, it bears significance on my "resolution".

caezar:
I propose, if your imagination is aligned with mine, that God has in fact created such a stone which exists today in our reality. I think evil would qualify as such a stone.

Atheist:-D:
^^^

I was about to mention Schrodingers cat myself. Schrodingers cat allows for the belief ina system whereby two dependent factors can coexist hypothetically as long as we are unable to identify the states of both.

The summary of Schrodingers cat is that although it is believed that either the cat or vial of cyanide exist, both can exist only when you do not know the contents of the box. Once the box is opened it is clear that only one can exist. It is also clear that there sre limits to the belief of the dual existence of both: any noise within the box is an indication that the cat is alive, a vial smashing noise is an indication of the vial being broken etc.

The better we can monitor the box the better knowledge we have of the state of the contents. This is true with the omnipotency of God. The omnipotency is not a true omnipotency but a perceoved omnipotency with limits we have not yetndefined. The paradoxes guide us to a better understanding that the two states within the paradox can never coexist.

Benito69: Let me give you a logical answer;
Using the rules of logic,
It is possible for the Almighty to create a rock He can't move, this is seen in the immutability of His word in the scriptures that can't be changed.
However it is not that He can't do it, but wherein lies the logic of performing such an action?.
Omnipotence is not debunked dear friends, but the Logical Nature of God is thus proved.
In the fact that He will not act, in an illogical manner. (this also applies to His word which He can't change, He thus acts logically in accordance to the word He has spoken).
You have failed to debunk the Omnipotence of God, but have succeeded in showing that God acts in a logical manner.