Yet, in the entire works of the Josephus, which constitute many volumes of great detail encompassing centuries of history, there is no mention of Paul or the Christians, and there are only two brief paragraphs that purport to refer to Jesus. Although much has been made of these “references,” they have been dismissed by scholars and Christian apologists alike as forgeries, as have been those referring to John the Baptist and James, “brother of Jesus.”

Mr_Anony: ^^^What has the above got to do with this thread?

rhymz: SUMMARIES OF THE EXCERPTS 2nd PART
THE EPISTLES
1. Believers claim that Paul lived during the advent and after the death of Jesus Christ.
2. For this reason, they claim his epistles are one of the earliest christian texts.

3. His epistles strangely did not discuss or make any allusion to any of the events, places & people associated with the existence of a historical Jesus.

4. In writing His epistles about Jesus, Paul also never quotes from Jesus’s purported sermons and speeches, parables and prayers, nor does he mention Jesus’s supernatural birth or any of his alleged wonders and miracles, all of which would presumably be very important to Jesus’s followers, had such exploits and sayings been known prior to Paul.

5. All these point to the possibility that Paul could not quote, use or teach anything from the life and events Jesus in his epistles because there was nothing about Jesus that was true in the first place.

6. Instead Paul's epistles is laden with acient pre-christian religious beliefs, dogma, teachings and ideologies traceable to pre-existing pagan worship of the time.

7. The Jesus described in Paul's epistles are very different from the one described in the four canonical gospels.

8. In fact, it has been demonstratively proven that the so-called Paul's epistles are pseudographics ( forged writings). The the Pauline epistles could not have been written at the given orthodox dates of (c. 49-70) if in his first epistle to timorthy he made mention of Marcion of Pontus who lived (c. 100-160). Same goes for the othe epistles allegedly written by "Paul", all probable forgeries.

THE GOSPELS
1. The Gospels were forged at the end of the 2nd century probably between 170-180 just about thesame time of the establishment of the Orthodoxy and supremecy of the Roman Church.

2. There are very strong evidence that all the canonical gospels were actually written in greek & not from the aclaimed jewish apostles who wrote in hebrew or Aramaic.

3. The greek word Petros was usedfor peter in the original gospels that were alleged to have come from Jewish apostles.

4. Prior to Luke's own narratives of the gospels, there were numerous narratives of the gospels in circulation which were once considered canonical but later adjudged suprious & vice versa.
5. The church Father Irenaeus bishop of lyon determined from these numerous narratives which ones should be canonized as God's inspired words.

6. The arrangement of the four canonical gospel is intentionally to give the false impression of order of publication, differing sources and production.

7. Mark or Luke is believed to be the first narratives of the canonical gospels, it is also believed that all of them copied from thesame source materials which was in greek language.

8. The first New Testament that ever appeared, was compiled and published by Marcion. It was in the Greek language. It consisted of “The Gospel,” and “The Apostolicon.”
THE GOSPEL OF THE LORD
Marcion's Gospel predates the canonical gospels and possibly was the material source from where the other writers copied. In his Gospel Jesus was not Jewish, he was not born but appeared in the 15th year of the reign of Tiberus Ceaser.

Mr_Anony:
So far so good

This is incorrect, Paul actaully does.
In 1Timothy 6:13, Paul mentions the trial of Jesus before Pilate.
In 1Tim 3:16, Paul affirms that Jesus appeared in the flesh.
In 1Cor15:5-7, Paul talks about Christ's resurrection, he even speaks of it as common knowledge.
These are the few instances I could find for now.

e:
which of the gospels exactly? Remember you have said the gospels appeared years after the apostles' deaths, and that the canonical gospels were written in Greek. I don't see why a Greek name should stand out as odd in a Greek document.

e:
It is also believed that that they could have been copied from original Aramaic documents now lost to us.

e:
More possibilities. There is also the possibility that Marcion's gospel was copied from a pre-existing gospel of Luke from which the one we have today was copied from. The fact that Marcion's views were considered heretic should tell you that there must have been an existing account of the gospel that he was deviating from.

e:
So far you have said "the Gospels were fake", "Jesus was fake", "Paul was fake" etc etc. What you haven't done is to provide us with original points of reference from which these "fakes" deviate.

Mr_Anony:
pre-existing pagan-worship like what and what?

Mr_Anony:
This is incorrect, Paul actaully does. In 1Timothy 6:13, Paul mentions the trial of Jesus before Pilate. In 1Tim 3:16, Paul affirms that Jesus appeared in the flesh. In 1Cor15:5-7, Paul talks about Christ's resurrection, he even speaks of it as common knowledge. These are the few instances I could find for now.

Mr_Anony:
This is called arguing from silence. Paul not mentioning something is not proof in any way that he is ignorant of it.

Enigma: ^^^^ I think when we are confident of what we know of the scriptures and their history, we can dismiss most of what the fellow has posted with one word ----- rubbish!

Delafruita:
but paul never mentioned the virgin birth.he never mentioned any of jesus supposed miracles.he never made reference to the sermon on the mount.his account if jesus supposed resurrection totally differs from others.

only an ignorant person(and i dont see you as one)would claim the original texts of the bible were written in any language aside from greek.the original authors of the bible wrote in greek which goes to show they were not apostles or disciples of jesus
i laugh in aramaic.original aramaic documents?written by who?illiterate fishermen?think again

the first of the gospels was the gospel according to mark which appeared around 70AD.the gospel of john was the last and appeared around 170AD.the gospel of luke appeared around 120-130AD.it is believed that a man named jesus lived in judea.infact many men named jesus lived in judea in the period christ supposedly lived.one of them in particular spent seven years warning of the doom that will soon befall jerusalem.it is believed he gathered a small following and was eventually stoned to death at the city gate.another was jesus the son of sapphias who was to put it mildly,a robber.

there is a difference between a fake and an invention.jesus,paul and the entire story of christianity was invented.it wouldnt be the first time such happened.asoka decided he was tired of shedding blood and embraced buddhism and made it a state religion.thats what constantine did.only difference is there was actually a buddha but there wasnt a christ

rhymz:
This is incorrect, Paul actaully does. In 1Timothy 6:13, Paul mentions the trial of Jesus before Pilate. In 1Tim 3:16, Paul affirms that Jesus appeared in the flesh. In 1Cor15:5-7, Paul talks about Christ's resurrection, he even speaks of it as common knowledge. These are the few instances I could find for now.

Apart from 1 Timothy 6v13 which has been demonstrated to be anonymous church forgeries and interpolation just like the epistles themselves through the inconsistency in their claimed dates, the rest of the quotations did not in anyway say anything about the historical background of Jesus Christ.
According to the orthodox dating, the Pauline epistles were written (c. 49-70) and in Paul's first Epistle to Timothy warns against the Marcionist work known as the Antithesis.
Marcion was expelled from the Church of Rome in c. 144 C.E. and the First Epistle of Paul to Timothy was written shortly afterwards.
Now tell me how possible it is that books that were alleged to have been written c. 49-70 to be addressing Marcionist work written in c. 144?

This is a case of denial.
Paul claims to be preaching about Jesus Christ yet he did not find it useful to use quotes, teachings and talk about his great miraculous works in his epistles yet you want to argue that it does not expose his ignorance of such a person existing or things happening in real life?
So what was the whole essense of Jesus preaching, teaching and doing good work if all that can not be used as blue print in writing epistles about it? Your denial is untenable.

rhymz:
There are very damning evidence that
"Jesus Christ" is a compilation of legends, heroes, gods and godmen that existed way before the alleged time he existed.
There is plenty of documentation to show that this issue is not a question of "faith" or "belief."
The truth is that during the era this character supposedly lived there was an extensive library at Alexandria and an incredibly nimble brotherhood network that stretched from Europe to China, and this information network had access to numerous manuscripts that told the same narrative portrayed in the New Testament with different place names and ethnicity for the characters.
In actuality, the legend of Jesus nearly identically parallels the story of Krishna, for example, even in detail, as was presented by noted mythologist and scholar Gerald Massey over 100 years ago, as well as by Rev. Robert Taylor 160 years ago, among others.
Here is a little observation from Massey's documentation:
PRE-JESUS STORIES THAT MADE UP THE JESUS MYTH
"WHO WAS HE?"
1. He was born of the virgin Maya, who was considered the "Queen of Heaven.
2. He was of royal descent.
3. He crushed a serpent's head.
4. He performed miracles and wonders, healed the sick, fed 500 men from a "small basket of cakes," and walked on water.
5. He abolished idolatry, was a "sower of the word," and preached "the establishment of a kingdom of righteousness."
6. He taught chastity, temperance, tolerance, compassion, love, and the equality of all.
7. He was transfigured on a mount.
8. He was crucified in a sin-atonement, suffered for three days in hell, and was resurrected.
9. He ascended to "heaven."
HE WAS...BUDDHA (563 B.C.)
1. He contributed the name of Jesus Christ.
2. He and his once-and-future Father, are frequently interchangeable in the mythos ("I and my Father are one".
3. He was born of the virgin Meri on December 25th in a cave/manger, with his birth being announced by a star in the East and attended by three wise men. 4. He was a child teacher in the Temple and was baptized when he was 30 years old.
5. He was also baptized by "Anup the Baptizer," who becomes "John the Baptist."
5. He had 12 disciples.
6. He performed miracles and raised one man, el-Azar-us, from the dead.
7. He walked on water.
8. He was transfigured on the Mount.
9. He was crucified, buried in a tomb and resurrected.
10. He was also the "Way, the Truth, the Light, the Messiah, God's Anointed Son, the Son of Man, the Good Shepherd, the Lamb of God, the Word" etc.
11. He was "the Fisher," and was associated with the Lamb, Lion and Fish. His personal epithet was "Iusa," the "ever-becoming son" of "Ptah," the "Father."
12. HE was called "the KRST," or "Anointed One," long before the Christians duplicated the story.
13. In the catacombs at Rome are pictures of Him as a baby being held by his virgin mother.
14. HE WAS... the Ancient Egyptian God HORUS (prior to 3100 B.C.)
The ancient Egyptians also adopted the cross as a religious symbol of their pagan gods. Countless Egyptians drawings depict themselves holding crosses in their hands. Among them, the Egyptian savior Horus is depicted holding a cross in his hand.
He is also depicted as an infant sitting on his mother's knee with a cross on the seat they occupy.
The most common of the crosses used by these pagan Egyptians, the crux ansata, was later adopted by the Christians)
He was born on December 25th.
He was considered a great traveling teacher and master.
He had 12 companions or disciples.
He performed miracles.
He was buried in a tomb. After three days he rose again.
His resurrection was celebrated every year.
He was called "the Good Shepherd."
He was considered "the Way, the Truth and the Light, the Redeemer, the Savior, the Messiah."
He was identified with both the Lion and the Lamb. His sacred day was Sunday, "the Lord's Day," hundreds of years before the appearance of Christ.
He had his principal festival on what was later to become Easter, at which time he was resurrected. His religion had a Eucharist or "Lord's Supper."
HE WAS... MITHRA (about 2000 B.C.) ("He who will not eat of my body and drink of my blood, so that he will be made on with me and I with him, the same shall not know salvation.
" An inscription to Mithras which parallels John 6:53-54. This inscription is inside the vatican... in the tomb of saint peter.) Born of a Virgin His father was a carpenter. His birth was attended by angels, wise men and shepherds, and he was presented with gold, frankincense and myrrh.
He was persecuted by a tyrant who ordered the slaughter of thousands of infants.
He was of royal descent.
He was baptized in A river.
He worked miracles and wonders.
He raised the dead and healed lepers, the deaf and the blind.
He used parables to teach the people about charity and love.
"He lived poor and he loved the poor.
" He was transfigured in front of his disciples.
In some traditions he died on a tree or was crucified between two thieves.
He rose from the dead and ascended to heaven.
He is called the "Shepherd God" and "Lord of lords," and was considered "the Redeemer, Firstborn, Sin Bearer, Liberator, Universal Word.
" He is the second person of the Trinity, and proclaimed himself the
"Resurrection" and the "way to the Father."
He was considered the "Beginning, the Middle and the End," ("Alpha and Omega" , as well as being omniscient, omnipresent and omnipotent. -
His disciples bestowed upon him the title "Jezeus," meaning "pure essence.
" He is to return to do battle with the "Prince of Evil," who will desolate the earth HE WAS...
KRISHNA (around 400 B.C.)
(The similarities between the Christian character and the Indian messiah are many. Indeed, Massey finds over 100 similarities between the Hindu and Christian saviors, and Graves, who includes the various noncanonical gospels in his analysis, lists over 300 likenesses.
It should be noted that a common earlier English spelling of Krishna was "Christna," which reveals its relation to '"Christ."
It should also be noted that, like the Jewish godman, many people have believed in a historical, carnalized Krishna) God was his father
He was born in a cave or cowshed.
A human woman, a virgin, was his mother.
His birth was prophesized by a star in the heavens. At a marriage ceremony, he performed the miracle of converting water into wine.
He was powerless to perform miracles in his hometown.
His followers were born-again through baptism in water.
He rode triumphantly into a city on a donkey.
Tradition records that the inhabitants waved palm leaves.
He had 12 disciples.
He was accused of licentious behavior.
He was killed near the time of the Vernal Equinox, about MAR-21.
He died "as a sacrifice for the sins of the world."
He was hung on a tree, stake, or cross. After death, he descended into hell.
On the third day after his death, he returned to life.
The cave where he was laid was visited by three of his female followers.
He later ascended to heaven.
His titles: God made flesh. Savior of the world Son of God.
He is "God made man," and equal to the Father.
He will return in the last days.
He will judge the human race at that time. Humans are separated from God by original sin.
The godman's sacrificial death reunites the believer with God and atones for the original sin.
HE WAS... OSIRIS-DIONYSUS (about 2500 B.C.)

Christians are often intimidated by bold claims presented as fact, yet when we look behind the swelling words, there is little more than wind and no substance. The Christ Conspiracy presents a machinegun fire approach to Murdock’s arguments against Christianity. It seeks to overwhelm the reader with so much evidence that it appears to be indisputable. The goal is to send would-be critics into duck and cover. The truth is that these critics are shooting blanks.

After searching out claims through half the book, 100% proved to be false. There comes a point in time when we have to declare the whole argument to be fallacious. It isn’t necessary for the Christian to answer every single objection presented by books like this.

I give The Christ Conspiracy: the greatest story ever sold, the lowest ranking of 1 star. It is poorly researched, poorly documented, and intentionally misleading.

Enigma: ^^^^ I think when we are confident of what we know of the scriptures and their history, we can dismiss most of what the fellow has posted with one word ----- rubbish!

Enigma:

Enigma: ^^^ Ẹ ma da wọn l'ohun jare aka meh una nor mind dem, abeg.

Ishilove:
I can like to be like you when I grow up

Enigma:

Flatter flattery flatter ---- na him be say my head go begin swell up and I go dey feel like king of the world.

Enigma:


However, you get for be fery kiaful because I am one of those most frequently accused of being arrogant here. But as my dear old friends at Bucks P* like to say ---- don't complain, don't explain.

Enigma:


* That reminds me that I must have tea with Eliza and Phil soon.

Ishilove: These people have started again... There is no God, Jesus is a lie, y'all are deluded,God dosent exist,there is no afterlife yak yakety yak yak yak blabbedy blaaaaah!!!!!

They don't believe in God but they won't stop yapping about Him. Jesus is a lie but they find Him fascinating enough to print volumes about Him. What tha...!? O ga o .

They can't live with Him,they can't live without Him. Smh

Egbon,you don talk am finish

hisblud: lol this is a nice summary, conscience still the disturb some persons. Tomorrow, someone will come up wit another accusation about christianity been a false religion.

rhymz: Anonym
I have both given full text excerpt from the book and a little summary of some of them. Instead of engaging in sidetalk and diversionary antics like you always do, why dont you disproof the writers assertions.

rhymz: You ask for proof when the author exhaustively quoted renown authors and scholars to support her arguments. If you doubt her claims why not look up the quoted authors and scholars she used, look at their work and see if she is just ranting like you are doing or dishing out unpalatable facts that you find irritating.

rhymz: I thought you claimed to have downloaded the PDF file, from the way you keep commenting based on the snippet I gave in my summaries. Read the full text and excerpts and please tone down with the side talk, leave that petty talk for unintelligent commentator.
I shall post more excerpt later on

Mr_Anony:


If I walked up to you and said that your grandfather was not a human being but was really an alien from outer space, you have every right to ask me to prove it. Telling you that five of my friends also hold this belief is not good enough proof.
Now let us assume that your grandfather died before your father was born and all your father has of him is a diary detailing his life but then the problem is that me and my friends are claiming that your grandfather's diary is copied from this alien's diary which we happen to have available here on earth. The task for us is to bring the alien's diary and compare it side by side with your grandfather's diary in order to spot the similarities and show proof. It doesn't matter how many times I and my friends cite each other, we must produce the two diaries side by side and show the proof.

Any i[i]d[/i]iot can write a book and claim anything.
If you can show from these ancient documents documents that the gospels were copied from them, you stand a chance of winning 150,000 Naira. Why don't you give it a try.