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Re: Aviation-Minister Blocks Foreign Airlines From Abuja by giles14(m): 6:39pm On Aug 28, 2012
Is she from Enugu?weather she is from enugu or not dos'nt define her directive,hw many northerns travel abroad apart frm dose on hajj.

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Re: Aviation-Minister Blocks Foreign Airlines From Abuja by Novice1(m): 6:43pm On Aug 28, 2012
Ogbonaikenna: trash

Truth, but too bitter to swallow
Re: Aviation-Minister Blocks Foreign Airlines From Abuja by Novice1(m): 6:49pm On Aug 28, 2012
giles14: Is she from Enugu?weather she is from enugu or not dos'nt define her directive,hw many northerns travel abroad apart frm dose on hajj.

We should remove puerile shenangians when posting in public forums.

It doesn't matter whether a Northerner, southerner, easterner, westerner, middle belter, or whoever travels abroad, fact is, the airlines have demand from Abuja and they want to fly from there.


We are cursed with people in National decision-making portfolios but are still localites at heart.
Re: Aviation-Minister Blocks Foreign Airlines From Abuja by Nobody: 7:07pm On Aug 28, 2012
When people want to make senseless criticisim you throw resoning to the dogs.
Airlines and shippers cannot operate just from any location they want, as they do not build the facilities they use. Govt. does. If Govt. Did not build an airport in Lagos and Abuja and ask interested Airlines to use it, there will be no demand in those places today. Enugu is simply getting the same treatment. Because Lagos and Abuja are today developed people want to claim that it is demand. The demand is due to a delibrate Govt action, so it will also apply to Enugu.

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Re: Aviation-Minister Blocks Foreign Airlines From Abuja by billante(m): 7:09pm On Aug 28, 2012
Novice1: Very pedestrian thinking by the minister. I shudder to think of the calibre of policy makers we have in this country. When will they start to see themselves as leaders of a country and not a section? I bet if she has a chance she may want to have an airport in her village and force airlines to land there.

This is exactly the problem with Nigeria. and the Okoro brothers are having orgasms because she wants to force airlines to enugu.

Air traffic is always driven by demand. You can never force reputable foreign airlines to that glorified airfield that looks like a workshop.

Allow the airlines to land where they want, she should feel challenged to expand the capacities of the airports they want to land, and leave that as her legacy after she has stepped down, but banal sentiments are to deep seated to allow her make a rational decision.

O God, provide us with visionary and selfless leaders in Nigeria.

You ended up saying rubbbish!

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Re: Aviation-Minister Blocks Foreign Airlines From Abuja by billante(m): 7:23pm On Aug 28, 2012
KenGali: When people want to make senseless criticisim you throw resoning to the dogs.
Airlines and shippers cannot operate just from any location they want, as they do not build the facilities they use. Govt. does. If Govt. Did not build an airport in Lagos and Abuja and ask interested Airlines to use it, there will be no demand in those places today. Enugu is simply getting the same treatment. Because Lagos and Abuja are today developed people want to claim that it is demand. The demand is due to a delibrate Govt action, so it will also apply to Enugu.

You dey mind those senseless people! Calling govt clueless while they are the one dat is clueless!

These are kind of directive that will benefit the country as a whole by spreading development all over the country and solving a lot of social problems and the minister is trying to make d airlines to reason with her! And some people are siding with foreign airlines that don't have the countries interest at heart but only their profits!..if they want to land in abuja they should go and build their own airport

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Re: Aviation-Minister Blocks Foreign Airlines From Abuja by OmoTier1(m): 7:31pm On Aug 28, 2012
Novice1: Very pedestrian thinking by the minister. I shudder to think of the calibre of policy makers we have in this country. When will they start to see themselves as leaders of a country and not a section? I bet if she has a chance she may want to have an airport in her village and force airlines to land there.

This is exactly the problem with Nigeria. and the Okoro brothers are having orgasms because she wants to force airlines to enugu.

Air traffic is always driven by demand. You can never force reputable foreign airlines to that glorified airfield that looks like a workshop.

Allow the airlines to land where they want, she should feel challenged to expand the capacities of the airports they want to land, and leave that as her legacy after she has stepped down, but banal sentiments are to deep seated to allow her make a rational decision.

O God, provide us with visionary and selfless leaders in Nigeria.

If you have no insight or understanding in a matter, better you shut your mouth! What the minister is doing is in the overall best interest of the country! Redirecting these foreign airliners to other international airports would serve Nigeria better. Go and take a look at the United States and see how they restrict foreign airliners flight to certain airports because they know by doing that, they protect the domestic market and maintain the economic base of these cities and towns where these airports are located as most people would have to fly through these airports to join the bigger hubs. Again nothing stops Emirates from joining up with a local operator to establish or strength their operations with a code sharing agreement.

This is a very good move by the Minister and I hope they would not allows the evil hands sway the decision wrongly.
Re: Aviation-Minister Blocks Foreign Airlines From Abuja by Nobody: 7:38pm On Aug 28, 2012
The way some of us. Reason baffles me. So all passengers travelling out of the country with these airliners resides either in lagos or abuja? So dumd, most of us fail to understand that loads of nigerians actually fly from their various states to lagos or abuja to board these forign airlines? The minisister is right on this one, they are only thinking about their own convinience but don't give a mess about the growth of our own domestic airline growth niether do they want add estra value in terms of services to their passangers.Nigeria does not start from lagos and end in abuja, let the traffick on these two airports be reduced by spreading depatures to other airports across the country and that will encourage the growth of our domestic airlines. The goverment makes the rule and if they can't cope with it then they shld back off after all they aint doing us a favour since their air tickets are paid for so its either they comply or they back off. We can't keep pleasing every forign intrest at the expence of our own

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Re: Aviation-Minister Blocks Foreign Airlines From Abuja by Nobody: 7:50pm On Aug 28, 2012
The way some of us reason baffles me.
So all passengers travelling out of the country with these airliners resides either in lagos or abuja?
So dumd, most of us fail to understand that loads of nigerians actually fly from their various states to lagos or abuja to board these forign airlines?
The minisister is right on this one, they are only thinking about their own convinience but don't give a mess about the growth of our own domestic airline growth niether do they want to add extra value in terms of services to their passangers.
Nigeria does not start from lagos and end in abuja, let the traffick on these two airports be reduced by spreading growth to other airports across the country and that will encourage the growth of our domestic airlines.
The goverment makes the rule and if they can't cope with it then they shld back off after all they aint doing us a favour since their air tickets are paid for so its either they comply or they back off.
We can't keep pleasing every forign intrest at the expence of our own intrest.
Can air nigeria dictate to UAE goverments over their prefered route and airport of choice to use?
Re: Aviation-Minister Blocks Foreign Airlines From Abuja by Novice1(m): 8:16pm On Aug 28, 2012
Sumary of responses:

Okoros: Firmly in support
All Others: Against


This decision is dead on arrival. No profit-making foreign airline will fly to Enugu.

Stella can revive Nigeria Airways and force them to fly Dubai-Enugu.
Re: Aviation-Minister Blocks Foreign Airlines From Abuja by PaulJohn1: 8:24pm On Aug 28, 2012
coolestkc: I do not understand why some people don't reason before they make public comments, I read some people asking why somebody who wants to take a direct flight would be forced to come to Enugu first to catch his/her flight, but forgot that everybody from the East have been flying to Abuja or Lagos before catching their direct international flights so why the complaint if someone now has to fly from Abuja or Lagos to Enugu to catch a direct flight. That will help businesses like hotels and eateries in Enugu to flourish and thereby ensuring equitable distribution of wealth.Please people should stop being myopic in their thinking.

May be you read that post again. The companies said there are high demands of their operation in Abuja, no one is saying there is no demand at all in Enugu. But when it's higher in Abuja and people are forced to land in Enugu before heading to Abuja, people spend more than what they should, and same as these companies.
The idea of the minister is good, but I think it'll be better if the flight to Abuja is granted and all these air companies flying Abuja must as well have a particular percentage of it flight towing Enugu, to balance it. But you forced to reach Enugu first before making your way to Abuja is out of it.
Re: Aviation-Minister Blocks Foreign Airlines From Abuja by Nobody: 8:30pm On Aug 28, 2012
By the time we succeed in opening visa processing centers in Enugu for Germany, Dubai, Singapore and China you'll be eating these words

Novice1: Sumary of responses:

Okoros: Firmly in support
All Others: Against


This decision is dead on arrival. No profit-making foreign airline will fly to Enugu.

Stella can revive Nigeria Airways and force them to fly Dubai-Enugu.

Re: Aviation-Minister Blocks Foreign Airlines From Abuja by Novice1(m): 8:35pm On Aug 28, 2012
KenGali: By the time we succeed in opening visa processing centers in Enugu for Germany, Dubai, Singapore and China you'll be eating these words


Visa processing ko spare parts shop ni.
Re: Aviation-Minister Blocks Foreign Airlines From Abuja by Nobody: 8:41pm On Aug 28, 2012
Paul John:

May be you read that post again. The companies said there are high demands of their operation in Abuja, no one is saying there is no demand at all in Enugu. But when it's higher in Abuja and people are forced to land in Enugu before heading to Abuja, people spend more than what they should, and same as these companies.
The idea of the minister is good, but I think it'll be better if the flight to Abuja is granted and all these air companies flying Abuja must as well have a particular percentage of it flight towing Enugu, to balance it. But you forced to reach Enugu first before making your way to Abuja is out of it.
You can buy the tickets of other airlines if you must go from Abuja or Lagos. Other people in Enugu and those who can afford to pay for connection to Enugu will patronise the new airlines. So nobody is at a disadvantage, if you do not give Enugu a favourable policy, then you force some people who cannot afford it to pay for connecting flight to Abuja or Lagos which is a Disadvantage. How will the airlines know the demand in Énugu if nobody is offering the flights?

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Re: Aviation-Minister Blocks Foreign Airlines From Abuja by Nobody: 8:45pm On Aug 28, 2012
Novice1:

Visa processing ko spare parts shop ni.

Not intelligible, did you lose your English words?
Re: Aviation-Minister Blocks Foreign Airlines From Abuja by Nobody: 9:26pm On Aug 28, 2012
Well that is a good one. Even here in Europe it works that way as well. At least I know of four airlines that will always fly you with the countries national(local) carrier to the country where the international flight carrier is based before onward movement to Nigeria. It reduces traffic and also offers other countries the opportunity to operate their own airline and revenue generation. If she insist they consider Enugu, they could all they need do is partner with a local airline, that will flies travelers from Abuja to Enugu for onward journey abroad.

The minister should stick to her guns!

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Re: Aviation-Minister Blocks Foreign Airlines From Abuja by Nobody: 9:31pm On Aug 28, 2012
KenGali: You can buy the tickets of other airlines if you must go from Abuja or Lagos. Other people in Enugu and those who can afford to pay for connection to Enugu will patronise the new airlines. So nobody is at a disadvantage, if you do not give Enugu a favourable policy, then you force some people who cannot afford it to pay for connecting flight to Abuja or Lagos which is a Disadvantage. How will the airlines know the demand in Énugu if nobody is offering the flights?

You don't need to pay for connecting flight differently, you pay for your flight. It is only your itenary that will show that you will first stop in Enugu before finally taking off. The price will be fixed whether you are taking the flight from Abuja (the airline will provide connecting flight) or you are boarding directly from Enugu. As long as the airline has excellent service people will pay and the price differential not much. They will cover the difference with the amount paid by those not using the connecting flight but who are meant to be on the international flight since everyone pays same amount.

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Re: Aviation-Minister Blocks Foreign Airlines From Abuja by Nobody: 9:36pm On Aug 28, 2012
desperate move to drive business in a civil service town.

typical abuse of position o drive a suspiciously ethnic agenda madness.if some other minister had ordered that airlines should land in ilorin the sma ekinsmen cheering would be crying foul.

pray tell, what industries or businesses are in enugu? just a move to force people to stay in cheap unsafe hotels - and to boost the enugu lagos/abuja/ph routes

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Re: Aviation-Minister Blocks Foreign Airlines From Abuja by Nobody: 9:40pm On Aug 28, 2012
Kobojunkie:

Corrections to your post

a) The East was never denied an international Airport. Long before the renovation of Enugu started back in 2009, the East had PortHarcourt and Calabar airports.

b) People who fly international SHOULD NOT BE FORCED to have to connect when all they want is a direct flight as is the case with many who fly into airports like Lagos and Abuja still. Airlines such as Delta(American), Lufthansa(FrankFurt), and Air France(Paris) have been serving some of the Eastern Airports for a while now.

c) It is silly to argue that because people, in the past, have flown into Lagos and had to connect to other parts, then it is sensible to now force the Lagos/Abuja fliers fly into Enugu and then connect back to Lagos and Abuja.

d) Enugu does not need to FORCE people from other parts to fly their way in order to boast transports from that location. The Airport can work to at least sell itself to it's own people so they patronize airlines with flights directly to Enugu.

In reaction to number 2.

If you have even been to Brussels from Nigeria with any of the following flights; Luftanza, KLM, Air France or Aberian. This is what happens, Lufthanza takes you to Frankfurt first,while KLM takes you first to Amsterdam and Air france takes you to Paris, while Alberia takes you to Milan first. Even BA does that as well. If you take Emirate, it takes you first to Dubai first as well. After which a connecting flight will fly you to Brussels. So this international carries do that. So it has not to do with Nigeria or trying to force Enugu to open. It is simply business strategy, a way to open up all other markets and reduce traffic to manageable capacity in Abuja and Lagos airport.

Re: Aviation-Minister Blocks Foreign Airlines From Abuja by Kobojunkie: 9:49pm On Aug 28, 2012
woodcook: In reaction to number 2.

If you have even been to Brussels from Nigeria with any of the following flights; Luftanza, KLM, Air France or Aberian. This is what happens, Lufthanza takes you to Frankfurt first,while KLM takes you first to Amsterdam and Air france takes you to Paris, while Alberia takes you to Milan first. Even BA does that as well. If you take Emirate, it takes you first to Dubai first as well. After which a connecting flight will fly you to Brussels. So this international carries do that. So it has not to do with Nigeria or trying to force Enugu to open. It is simply business strategy, a way to open up all other markets and reduce traffic to manageable capacity in Abuja and Lagos airport.

I have no clue what you are talking of. There are direct flights to frankfurt from most anywhere in the world and their are flights that require connections to get to the same city. Same with Amsterdam, there are direct flights and then there are stop-over flights. That has absolutely nothing to do with this in Nigeria though.

You are told here that the Minister of Aviation is refusing to grant Airlines permission to fly into Abuja and Lagos simply because she wants some of them to instead fly by Enugu. Ministers do not have the power to make such demands on Airlines given that, as the airline says, their flights are usually dependent on traffic. If you own an airline and majority of your passengers like to fly in through Abuja, would you instead fly through Enugu? Do you think that makes business sense of any kind? I hope you are intelligent enough to know the answer is NO.
Re: Aviation-Minister Blocks Foreign Airlines From Abuja by Konnektions146(m): 9:59pm On Aug 28, 2012
people talkin here are just bein sentimental.

if i mmay ask, all along, those passengers goin to Lagos to catch a flight, are dey all livig in lagos of from de south west?

does it mean people from abuja have nnot been traveling to lagos to catch dia flights?

i think de minister gave such directives so as to open enugu to more opportuunities dat abounnd in da respect.

its surely a good move

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Re: Aviation-Minister Blocks Foreign Airlines From Abuja by Novice1(m): 10:36pm On Aug 28, 2012
KenGali:

Not intelligible, did you lose your English words?

I dont engage in semantic contests with kids. I believe the message is understood.
Re: Aviation-Minister Blocks Foreign Airlines From Abuja by Novice1(m): 10:36pm On Aug 28, 2012
oyb: desperate move to drive business in a civil service town.

typical abuse of position o drive a suspiciously ethnic agenda madness.if some other minister had ordered that airlines should land in ilorin the sma ekinsmen cheering would be crying foul.

pray tell, what industries or businesses are in enugu? just a move to force people to stay in cheap unsafe hotels - and to boost the enugu lagos/abuja/ph routes


God bless your life oyb

We will not be forced to go to that dusty, desolate, crime-ridden place just catch a flight. I will rather cross the border into Benin or Ghana and catch my flight.
Re: Aviation-Minister Blocks Foreign Airlines From Abuja by zannie(f): 11:13pm On Aug 28, 2012
@Novice1, I want to ask you a few questions:
Have u ever been to Enugu?
Have you ever heard of business strategies? From what I gathered, the airlines are not being forced, they are asked to consider. Our airports are not private businesses, they are built with taxpayers money. If some strategies are not being set up to encourage business in this newly built airport, don't you think down the line it will be a flop, and the 'typical Nigerian' will end up blaming the government?
Sometimes its good to consider issues from every angle. Enugu is not just made up of 'civil servants' as someone put it. This airport was intended to internationally serve people in this part of the south(not just the south east). From my little knowledge of international economics, the government protects young establishments by encouraging the implementation of policies like this. People in this part of Nigeria ( Enugu, Onitsha, Awka, Owerri, Umuahia, Asaba, Warri, Sapele etc) will also benefit from spending less to get to an international airport. As someone said, the whole Nigeria does not live in Lagos and Abuja.
When we talk of one Nigeria, we should always try to see things from an unbiased angle instead of bringing up hate that will always eat us up. One Nigeria, dats what I believe in

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Re: Aviation-Minister Blocks Foreign Airlines From Abuja by Vergil: 11:13pm On Aug 28, 2012
Love how our eastern bros just dey claim say nad dem they travel pass. Haba! So so claim sha! Wetin.

Too much claiming these days nna!

Easy oo!

The idea to make the city internationally open is a good idea too. But obviously can't be forced on the airlines, like pple said and don't think she's forcing them either.

Open Nigeria sha!
Re: Aviation-Minister Blocks Foreign Airlines From Abuja by Vergil: 11:31pm On Aug 28, 2012
[quote author=woodcook][/quote]

How does BA re-route its flights to the UK (Heathrow etc)? Pls, do tell.
Re: Aviation-Minister Blocks Foreign Airlines From Abuja by Nobody: 2:03am On Aug 29, 2012
one of the best news we have heard so far. I think Lagos and Abuja have enough airlines plying those routes already. If Enugu is to be made international then by all means, some of the airlines should be diverted there.

From what I know, connecting flights doesn't mean you'll necessarily pay to get to Enugu. Typically, you buy your ticket and the cost of the connecting flight is already there. The only thing that will show you're connecting will be your itinerary on the ticket.

the amount of people that travel out of the country from the east alone is overwhelming so i'm sure the airlines wont be disappointed. Anyone that doesn't want to go through those routes can take any of the other airlines. Afterall, same applies to other countries. All flights do not necessaily go to the major cities

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Re: Aviation-Minister Blocks Foreign Airlines From Abuja by PROUDIGBO(m): 2:16am On Aug 29, 2012
Novice1:


God bless your life oyb

We will not be forced to go to that dusty, desolate, crime-ridden place just catch a flight. I will rather cross the border into Benin or Ghana and catch my flight.

^^^Just as well....you can fuc/koff to Ghana or Benin to catch your flight as we don't want your likes on our soil.

Thanks in advance for the anticipated cooperation.

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Re: Aviation-Minister Blocks Foreign Airlines From Abuja by Kobojunkie: 2:29am On Aug 29, 2012
zannie: @Novice1, I want to ask you a few questions:
Have u ever been to Enugu?
Have you ever heard of business strategies? From what I gathered, the airlines are not being forced, they are asked to consider. Our airports are not private businesses, they are built with taxpayers money. If some strategies are not being set up to encourage business in this newly built airport, don't you think down the line it will be a flop, and the 'typical Nigerian' will end up blaming the government?
Sometimes its good to consider issues from every angle. Enugu is not just made up of 'civil servants' as someone put it. This airport was intended to internationally serve people in this part of the south(not just the south east). From my little knowledge of international economics, the government protects young establishments by encouraging the implementation of policies like this. People in this part of Nigeria ( Enugu, Onitsha, Awka, Owerri, Umuahia, Asaba, Warri, Sapele etc) will also benefit from spending less to get to an international airport. As someone said, the whole Nigeria does not live in Lagos and Abuja.
When we talk of one Nigeria, we should always try to see things from an unbiased angle instead of bringing up hate that will always eat us up. One Nigeria, dats what I believe in

The article tells you that the airlines are BEING FORCED to do business in Enugu, yet you come up with the fart that they are not being forced?How come? I mean open your eyes and READ THE WORDS THAT SUPPOSEDLY CAME OUT OF YOUR MINISTER. The airlines are being forced through Enugu when they would rather go through Abuja and Lagos. Gosh!! What is up with this blind approach to arguing issues??
Re: Aviation-Minister Blocks Foreign Airlines From Abuja by scorpio1(m): 2:40am On Aug 29, 2012
i know say dis woman get sense well well...abeg madam, any new airline should apply enugu route or port hacourt route..Period!

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Re: Aviation-Minister Blocks Foreign Airlines From Abuja by Kobojunkie: 2:50am On Aug 29, 2012
Nightshift: In 2005 i was on board a Lufthansa Airbus 340-400 flight from Frankfurt am Main to Port-Harcourt . It was a smooth direct flight . If such flights are allowed in Enugu , millions of Umuigbo in the West and Asia would prefer Enugu than Lagos and Abuja . If not for business , personally i wouldn't like to be a guest to Lagos mosquitoes even for a night after spending some cool months in Europe . This is what Mr. Ekweremmadu and Mrs. Mmadueke should lobby Mr. President to influence European airlines to do. Lufthansa which had about 49% increase on it's Nigerian routes earning last year will love it , even if it means flying Frankfurt - Enugu-Accra. When current work at Enugu Airport finishes , those Umuigbo who call the shots in Abuja, should try make it possible . Its long overdue . How long does Nigeria want to punish Ndigbo because of a lost war?

You do realize how technically silly your post is? I mean the distance from Port-Harcourt to places like Aba, Owerri, is about the same as the distance from Enugu to some of the same towns. So if you confirm that you are able to fly into Port Harcourt directly, then your argument is moot.
Re: Aviation-Minister Blocks Foreign Airlines From Abuja by neyyo101: 3:09am On Aug 29, 2012
nigerians with dia tribalism

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