@ Delafruita,

Bros.....yours 36 hours don end. Thank you for defending Christians with "some" of your errors mixed with truth. Now, let's discuss the subject of Gap theory and pre-adamic you mentioned on your other thread. Thank you.

Goshen360: @ Delafruita,

Bros.....yours 36 hours don end. Thank you for defending Christians with "some" of your errors mixed with truth. Now, let's discuss the subject of Gap theory and pre-adamic you mentioned on your other thread. Thank you.

like i said earlier,the gap theory is the only thing that would make sense to explain the age of the earth according to the bible

Welcome on board. It does make any sense whatsoever for the gap theory to explain the age of the earth. That is heresy. The bible doesn't say there was ANY pre-Adamic age neither was there ANY gap between Genesis 1:1-2. This is reason for this thread.....let's prove it.

Goshen360: Welcome on board. It does make any sense whatsoever for the gap theory to explain the age of the earth. That is heresy. The bible doesn't say there was ANY pre-Adamic age neither was there ANY gap between Genesis 1:1-2. This is reason for this thread.....let's prove it.

i hope you know that attempting to disprove the gap theory only opens up the bible to ridicule.its ridiculous to expect that the earth is just 6000+ years old.if you disprove the gap theory,you have to provide an explanation for the age of the earth

Delafruita:
i hope you know that attempting to disprove the gap theory only opens up the bible to ridicule.its ridiculous to expect that the earth is just 6000+ years old.if you disprove the gap theory,you have to provide an explanation for the age of the earth

Whatever age the earth maybe.....I am not a scientist. It is even more ridiculous to say such things that the bible didn't say such as gap theory between Genesis 1:1-2 and even the pre-adamic age. Let's prove it from the scriptures that there was indeed a gap and pre-adamic world. I don't like stories

@ danwo,

Do you want to enter this discussion? If Yes, then clearly identify where you stand.

Goshen360:

@ danwo,

Do you want to enter this discussion?

If Yes, then clearly identify where you stand.

@Goshen360

My dearest brother, I wish I can enter the discusion, God knows, but unable to.

I however would admit based on evidences in the scripture,

that I stand on the premise that the earth is more than 6000 years old.

You think otherwise? Erh?

You think the geological earth is 6000 years old? Hmm?

^^^
Like I said, and will admit it, I am not a scientist and cannot prove the age of the earth but I can definitely prove there was no gap whatsoever and there is nothing like pre-adamic world. You may sit back and watch how I deal with this our brother, Delafruita on this subject.

We're waiting sir... I am for gap theory.

I dont stand on any other info outside the bible and as such i dont like going beyond what is written.

Going beyond what is written can lead to believe that is not supported by the bible
if knowing how specifically old the earth is was important to know befor having everlasting life i think God will have mention it.

Since God did not mention it i refuse to dable into this.

Gab or no gab.

My interest here is to correct any misinformation directed at the bible if i can. QED

so, no quoting the bible out of context please.

Peace every one.

SNCOQ3: We're waiting sir... I am for gap theory.

Okay....seems Delafruita has run away. Let me take it up with you but I don't just want him come and take us in circle and in circle.

Now, let's start with Genesis 1:1

"In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth"

The first question is, what "beginning" is this? What do you understand by the "beginning" of Genesis 1:1?

Let's deal with this question first and we kick off from there.

Goshen360:

^^^
Like I said, and will admit it, I am not a scientist and cannot prove the age of the earth

but I can definitely prove there was no gap whatsoever and there is nothing like pre-adamic world.

You may sit back and watch how I deal with this our brother, Delafruita on this subject.

@Goshen360

Sieving the bible or studying it would not throw up an age

Yeah, the bible doesnt tell the age of the earth.

The age of the earth is a scientific matter and not a bible/theological one,

so you are wise to leave the dispute for the scientists or those willing to enter the realm of science.

". . . there was no gap whatsoever and there is nothing like pre-adamic world . . ."?

I am the one in the front seat row with a bowl of popcorn

^^^
Yeah brother but your people that wants to discuss this are not showing up o, I no see Delafruita and SNCOQ3 viewing this thread. Make them no let this tension wey dey my body cool down o. . Abeg, take your sit in the front row and watch.

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Goshen360:

Okay....seems Delafruita has run away. Let me take it up with you but I don't just want him come and take us in circle and in circle.

Now, let's start with Genesis 1:1

"In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth"

The first question is, what "beginning" is this? What do you understand by the "beginning" of Genesis 1:1?

Let's deal with this question first and we kick off from there.

beginning of time - when God created time and space; Call it the big b.ang if you like

truthislight: I dont stand on any other info outside the bible and as such i dont like going beyond what is written.

Going beyond what is written can lead to believe that is not supported by the bible
if knowing how specifically old the earth is was important to know befor having everlasting life i think God will have mention it.

Since God did not mention it i refuse to dable into this.

Gab or no gab.

My interest here is to correct any misinformation directed at the bible if i can. QED

so, no quoting the bible out of context please.

Peace every one.

That settles it then

*i can "see" Mr Anony...you're welcome sir*

@Goshen et al, The bible says nothing about the age of the earth. It is people who calculate it counting from the genealogies from Adam.

Have you ever considered this: Assuming we didn't have the old testament i.e. the books of the old testament were lost to us and all we had as the beginning was John 1:1, we would probably have been here arguing how the world couldn't have been much older than 2000 years old. Think about that for a minute if you may.

Goshen360:

Okay....seems Delafruita has run away. Let me take it up with you but I don't just want him come and take us in circle and in circle.

Now, let's start with Genesis 1:1

"In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth"

The first question is, what "beginning" is this?

What do you understand by the "beginning" of Genesis 1:1?

Let's deal with this question first and we kick off from there.

Goshen360:

^^^
Yeah brother but your people that wants to discuss this are not showing up o, I no see Delafruita and SNCOQ3 viewing this thread.

Make them no let this tension wey dey my body cool down o.

. Abeg, take your sit in the front row and watch.

@Goshen360

Whilst we are waiting for them to come home to roost

I'll like along with your question too, counter ask in relation to Hebrews 1:10 below,

that the foundation in that verse is referring to which earth or at which stage or period

"And, you, Lord, in the beginning have laid the foundation of the earth;

and the heavens are the works of your hands:"

- Hebrews 1:10 KJV

SNCOQ3: beginning of time - when God created time and space; Call it the big b.ang if you like

Now you agree that the beginning means when God created heaven (space), earth (matter) and in the beginning means time right?

Now, if God created heaven and earth already in verse 1, What heavens is this verse talking about if the same verse later called the "firmament" heaven in verse 8 and why did God called the dry land, earth again in verse 10?

danwo:

@Goshen360

Whilst we are waiting for them to come home to roost

I'll like along with your question too, counter ask in relation to Hebrews 1:10 below,

that the foundation in that verse is referring to which earth or at which stage or period

"And, you, Lord, in the beginning have laid the foundation of the earth;

and the heavens are the works of your hands:"

- Hebrews 1:10 KJV

^^^

Na oil, I dey carry! Na oil, I dey carry!

Sand sand, man, no come spoil my own!

Na oil, I dey carry!

Seem to forget, that I am just a bystander

We know that before God created man He had created angels. Satan was cast out before man was even created.
I'm not sure about the big gap theory, however, it does not make the scriptures less potent.

danwo:



@Goshen360

Whilst we are waiting for them to come home to roost

I'll like along with your question too, counter ask in relation to Hebrews 1:10 below,

that the foundation in that verse is referring to which earth or at which stage or period

"And, you, Lord, in the beginning have laid the foundation of the earth;

and the heavens are the works of your hands:"

- Hebrews 1:10 KJV

This beginning is very clear as the context parallels with "the earth and heavens". This is the beginning of Genesis 1:1 being referred to here. We will even get to the discussion as we go along. I started with the "in the beginning" and we will move gradually.

SNCOQ3: *i can "see" Mr Anony...you're welcome sir*

Lol, my brother how you dey na?

Goshen360:

Now you agree that the beginning means when God created heaven (space), earth (matter) and in the beginning means time right?

Now, if God created heaven and earth already in verse 1, What heavens is this verse talking about if the same verse later called the "firmament" heaven in verse 8 and why did God called the dry land, earth again in verse 10?

beginning is a function of time.

I believe "firmament" means sky.

Mr_Anony: @Goshen et al, The bible says nothing about the age of the earth. It is people who calculate it counting from the genealogies from Adam.

Have you ever considered this: Assuming we didn't have the old testament i.e. the books of the old testament were lost to us and all we had as the beginning was John 1:1, we would probably have been here arguing how the world couldn't have been much older than 2000 years old. Think about that for a minute if you may.

Yes, the bible didn't tell the age of the earth. But it is more damaging that people say what the bible didn't say - talking about the gap theory and that the chaos and darkness in Genesis 1:2 was as a result of divine judgment when lucifer sinned and that is why we have God's creation only starting from Gen. 1:3. This is outright heresy and damaging to the scriptures. I want to prove line by line with scriptures that the darkness in Gen. 1:2 is NOT a divine judgment on the earth when lucifer sinned and there is NO gap whatsoever between Gen. 1:1-2.

You remember this thread came as a result of what Delafruita was doing in the other thread - spreading heresy using the bible. I only stand to defend the truth.

Goshen360:

Yes, the bible didn't tell the age of the earth. But it is more damaging that people say what the bible didn't say - talking about the gap theory and that the chaos and darkness in Genesis 1:2 was as a result of divine judgment when lucifer sinned and that is why we have God's creation only starting from Gen. 1:3. This is outright heresy and damaging to the scriptures. I want to prove line by line with scriptures that the darkness in Gen. 1:2 is NOT a divine judgment on the earth when lucifer sinned and there is NO gap whatsoever between Gen. 1:1-2.

You remember this thread came as a result of what Delafruita was doing in the other thread - spreading heresy using the bible. I only stand to defend the truth.

Ok then, I'll keep watching this space for the proof you are talking about. For the record tho, I don't agree with Delafruita's stance on this topic. I hold however that there ought to be a huge gap between the onset of creation and man. It wasn't merely a few days

Gen 1:6 And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.
Gen 1:7 And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.

The bolded explains why we have rainfall, snow, thunderstorm...my brother "firmament" na sky with cloud

SNCOQ3:

beginning is a function of time.

I believe "firmament" means sky.

Now, if Genesis 1:1, beginning is talking about time when God created heavens and earth, and there is gap between verse 1 and 2, then it means Genesis 1:1 is still NOT telling us the MAIN beginning, it will mean it is telling us of a second beginning.

Two, if the heaven and earth are already created in Gen. 1:1, the word to be used by the writer for "MAKING" the heaven and earth again (assuming it was made and fell into chao and darkness due to the sin of lucifer) should be such words as "RE-MADE", "RE-FORMED" and RE-CREATE" but such words are missing in verse 7 and 10.

How do you explain that?

pls respond to my previous post...sorry I was a bit hasty.

Mr_Anony:
Lol, my brother how you dey na?

I dey sir, thanks

**sorry Goshen360**

Goshen360:
Now you agree that the beginning means when God created heaven (space), earth (matter) and in the beginning means time right?

Now, if God created heaven and earth already in verse 1, What heavens is this verse talking about if the same verse later called the "firmament" heaven in verse 8 and why did God called the dry land, earth again in verse 10?

Permit me to share my views...

Genesis 1:1  In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. 2 Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters.

This was the beginning of creation...the bible did not specify or rather differentiate which of the heavens God actually created.

But from my own view, I believe that verse is a brief summary of how God created the old world...

My fact was justified in verse 2 above says the spirit of God was hovering over the waters.

That verse didn't mention any form of heavenly being because none of them existed then.

It later told us in verse 26... Then God said, "Let us make mankind in our image, in our likeness, so that they may rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky, over the livestock and all the wild animals, and over all the creatures that move along the ground."

27 So God created mankind in his own image,
in the image of God he created them;
male and female he created them.

The us God was referring to came after Genesis 1:1 which also proves that they (angels) didn't exist as at Genesis 1:1


If you have any contrary opinion, you may share.

Thanks.