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Why? Why? Why? Why? by tobechi74: 9:44am On Sep 06, 2012
I hav realizd dat in nairaland ,nigeria and d world, we christian seem to have disdain for atheist.

In one thread about marryin an atheist, many christians imediately said NO, GOD FORBID, IMPOSIBLE, NEVER etc. Only a few said they may think about it.majority wont even consider them as friends

in another thread, a christian girl wantd to marry a muslim man, many christian advisd her to go ahead wit d mariage if they are TRUELY IN LOVE

dis issue is not perculiar to marriage alone.

Go for a job interview , when askd ur religon? Say ATHEISM and see what hapens. The christian interviewer wil automaticaly disqualify u ,

Why are muslims considerd more dan atheist, why are atheist regarded as devils., demons.
Why are christians stigmatizin atheist??
Why do we pasionatly hate atheist. If
Re: Why? Why? Why? Why? by OmoAlata(f): 9:55am On Sep 06, 2012
tobechi74:

Why are muslims considerd more dan christians

Says who?
Re: Why? Why? Why? Why? by Bella3(f): 9:57am On Sep 06, 2012
I read ten times bt stil dnt understand...
Re: Why? Why? Why? Why? by alexleo(m): 10:09am On Sep 06, 2012
Nwokem mechie onu gi.

tobechi74: I hav realizd dat in nairaland ,nigeria and d world, we christian seem to have disdain for atheist.

In one thread about marryin an atheist, many christians imediately said NO, GOD FORBID, IMPOSIBLE, NEVER etc. Only a few said they may think about it.majority wont even consider them as friends

in another thread, a christian girl wantd to marry a muslim man, many christian advisd her to go ahead wit d mariage if they are TRUELY IN LOVE

dis issue is not perculiar to marriage alone.

Go for a job interview , when askd ur religon? Say ATHEISM and see what hapens. The christian interviewer wil automaticaly disqualify u ,

Why are muslims considerd more dan atheist, why are atheist regarded as devils., demons.
Why are christians stigmatizin atheist??
Why do we pasionatly hate atheist. If
Re: Why? Why? Why? Why? by tobechi74: 10:11am On Sep 06, 2012
Omo Alata:

Says who?

modified :
Re: Why? Why? Why? Why? by Delafruita(m): 10:25am On Sep 06, 2012
Bélla3: I read ten times bt stil dnt understand...
we might have your english teachers to blame for that
Re: Why? Why? Why? Why? by Bella3(f): 10:35am On Sep 06, 2012
Delafruita:
we might have your english teachers to blame for that
lol. The errors in the 'article' were numerous nd eventually, misleading.
Re: Why? Why? Why? Why? by tobechi74: 11:18am On Sep 06, 2012
Bélla3: lol. The errors in the 'article' were numerous nd eventually, misleading.

summary,

why do christians hate atheist
why do christians hate being asociatd wit atheism
why do christians hate considerin them as friends,employees, life patners etc
why do christians view atheist as devil agents
why do christians consider muslims,pagans, herbalist etc more than atheist
Re: Why? Why? Why? Why? by Delafruita(m): 11:36am On Sep 06, 2012
Bélla3: lol. The errors in the 'article' were numerous nd eventually, misleading.
it wasnt an "article".tobechi sometimes gets ahead of himself but in this case,the crux of his post was clear.he simply highlighted the intolerance of christians towards the irreligious.
the "errors" you saw arent visible to me despite my lenses been as powerful as the hubble.or perhaps i should blame it on my poor education
Re: Why? Why? Why? Why? by Delafruita(m): 11:55am On Sep 06, 2012
tobechi74:

summary,

why do christians hate atheist
why do christians hate being asociatd wit atheism
why do christians hate considerin them as friends,employees, life patners etc
why do christians view atheist as devil agents
why do christians consider muslims,pagans, herbalist etc more than atheist
christians want what the irreligious have i.e. a freethinking mind.
even within christendom,some group of christians are viewed as been on the part to damnation.i remember a friend of mine(lets call him charley) who was in a committed relationship with a christian girl(bella).charley was raised a christian and abides by the christian way of life.he preaches about jesus(even to me) and was and still is an usher in his church(a "new generation church"wink.bella attended a baptist church and held on to the belief that ladies who wear trousers,use make-up and brazilian hair are on an expressway to hell.this wasnt initially a problem to charley.but as time went by,she wanted to stop him from listening to "worldly music" like diana ross and lionel richie.she said foreign movies are bad for christians.she even said anybody that watches lord of the rings should ask god for forgiveness.to her,charley needed to become "born again" again.my friend eventually ended the relationship despite all the "god said its you".
this isnt an isolated case.its widespread in christianity.i wanted to rent a house in gbagada sometime ago and was told the landlord wants a deeper life member.so the discrimination isnt just between the religions or against the irreligious,it also occurs within christianity.thats why catholics disown their children for marrying protestants.thats why christians have "our,my,your,their church"
Re: Why? Why? Why? Why? by Bella3(f): 12:19pm On Sep 06, 2012
tobechi74:

summary,

why do christians hate atheist
why do christians hate being asociatd wit atheism
why do christians hate considerin them as friends,employees, life patners etc
why do christians view atheist as devil agents
why do christians consider muslims,pagans, herbalist etc more than atheist
define christain first! Do you mean church goers?
Re: Why? Why? Why? Why? by Bella3(f): 12:21pm On Sep 06, 2012
Delafruita:
it wasnt an "article".tobechi sometimes gets ahead of himself but in this case,the crux of his post was clear.he simply highlighted the intolerance of christians towards the irreligious.
the "errors" you saw arent visible to me despite my lenses been as powerful as the hubble.or perhaps i should blame it on my poor education
it might be an 'article' to the poster. Btw perphaps your 'poor' education should be blamed!
Re: Why? Why? Why? Why? by Delafruita(m): 12:28pm On Sep 06, 2012
Bélla3: it might be an 'article' to the poster. Btw perphaps your 'poor' education should be blamed!
perhaps.its unfortunate i couldnt determine who was to teachme and what i was to be taught.when i get "born again",i will ensure my basic education is superb
Re: Why? Why? Why? Why? by EvilBrain1(m): 12:51pm On Sep 06, 2012
Religious discrimination is a big problem in Nigeria. I think atheists get the worst of it because their beliefs are so far away from that of the majority Christians and Muslims.

A Deeper Life member is likely to discriminate more against a catholic than an MFM member because MFM's beliefs are much closer to his. At the same time, he'd probably prefer his daughter to marry a catholic, rather than a Muslim because at least Catholics worship the same god. In the same way, Muslims are preferable to traditionalists because they believe in only one god so it is easy to tell yourself that it is the same as the one you worship. Even a devil worshipper is preferable to an atheist because he at least believes in the supernatural.

This is simply a manifestation of the us versus them tribal mentality that is a basic part of human nature. I doubt it's going to change until Nigerians start becoming less religious.

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Re: Why? Why? Why? Why? by saintvc(m): 2:23pm On Sep 06, 2012
Evil brain,ur brain isnt filled with evil afterall, there is small sence inside
Re: Why? Why? Why? Why? by tpia5: 5:19pm On Sep 06, 2012
Speak greek plz.
Re: Why? Why? Why? Why? by tobechi74: 7:48pm On Sep 06, 2012
tpia@:
Speak greek plz.

imagine a modrator behavin troling, if i anoda persn does dis , u wil quickly ban him or hide d post.
Re: Why? Why? Why? Why? by Nobody: 11:13pm On Sep 06, 2012
Simply put:
Religion has been demonstrated in the culture of man since time immemorial. Never has their been a time when man operated outside its confines. Atheism on the otherhand is a new culture, a strange one at that,judging from the history of the world. But a time will come(if we keep representing our faith in bad light) when religionists will be treated the same way as atheists are now. Then atheists will do all the stuffs they've accused the religionists of. Not because they hate them, but because it is not the culture of the generation.
Re: Why? Why? Why? Why? by EvilBrain1(m): 1:05am On Sep 07, 2012
Reyginus: Simply put:
Religion has been demonstrated in the culture of man since time immemorial. Never has their been a time when man operated outside its confines. Atheism on the otherhand is a new culture, a strange one at that,judging from the history of the world. But a time will come(if we keep representing our faith in bad light) when religionists will be treated the same way as atheists are now. Then atheists will do all the stuffs they've accused the religionists of. Not because they hate them, but because it is not the culture of the generation.

I'm sorry, what? Atheism is a new culture? So you're claiming that there were no atheists in the past? And you know this how? Did you go back in time and ask everybody? And if so, how did you convince them that they weren't going to be stoned or burnt by the religious fanatics for admitting to not believing in god?

Its funny how you just make bold, sweeping statements without a shred of evidence to support them. Soon, you'll be claiming that there are no cats in America or something.

Abeg, please!
Re: Why? Why? Why? Why? by wiegraf: 1:41am On Sep 07, 2012
Reyginus: Simply put:
Religion has been demonstrated in the culture of man since time immemorial. Never has their been a time when man operated outside its confines. Atheism on the otherhand is a new culture, a strange one at that,judging from the history of the world. But a time will come(if we keep representing our faith in bad light) when religionists will be treated the same way as atheists are now. Then atheists will do all the stuffs they've accused the religionists of. Not because they hate them, but because it is not the culture of the generation.

This is interesting, however, if atheism rises to the summit I doubt it will come to pass. Main reason it shouldn't happen to atheism: atheism isn't a religion.

Now for humanism, I'm sure when various religions were in the ascendancy they made similar claims, ie, that they would be tolerant of other belief systems, only to climb to the top and become the oppressor. Other religions have achieved tolerant outlooks though, I'm no expert on religion but say bahai and buddhists (which isn't classified as a religion by many). So intolerance is not a foregone conclusion for successful belief systems. It probably depends on said systems attributes, and humanism is certainly built on principles of a global respect for life and various other similar concepts. For instance, countries with large atheist populations, which usually practice humanist principles, are not intolerant. Another issue is education and technology. We simply haven't had it this good in our history in just about every aspect of our lives. Communication will break down cultural barriers, we are becoming a global community. More or else one culture (just ginourmous), diversity will always exist but there will be a universally accepted moral code used as the base of all other codes.
One thing I could see coming to pass is ridicule of religious people that aren't able to separate their religion from their dealings with other people, especially if the beliefs are considered generally harmful or in violation of the universal code. Downright discrimination though would be very rare.
Re: Why? Why? Why? Why? by Kay17: 2:57am On Sep 07, 2012
^^
Perfect!

Buddhism pursues self realization, so one can be a Christian and a buddhist
Re: Why? Why? Why? Why? by wiegraf: 3:35am On Sep 07, 2012
Kay 17: ^^
Perfect!

Buddhism pursues self realization, so one can be a Christian and a buddhist

I really ought to find time to study it, I hear good things about Zoroastrianism as well. It's really, really depressing people choose more violent/hate filled belief systems. Then again, sadly, most of them didn't choose, they're going along with the flow...*sigh*
Re: Why? Why? Why? Why? by Nobody: 9:41am On Sep 07, 2012
Evil Brain:

I'm sorry, what? Atheism is a new culture? So you're claiming that there were no atheists in the past? And you know this how? Did you go back in time and ask everybody? And if so, how did you convince them that they weren't going to be stoned or burnt by the religious fanatics for admitting to not believing in god?

Its funny how you just make bold, sweeping statements without a shred of evidence to support them. Soon, you'll be claiming that there are no cats in America or something.

Abeg, please!
Yes, atheism is a new culture. I dont have to ask everybody, the history books are there. I will help you with a summary. Culture is the totality of a peoples way of life over a period of time. The point is : if their were atheists in the past, they dare not make it known or try to get converts(like the evangelical atheists in N l) else, like you said, they will be stoned. Why: because it was not their trademark. It was yet to become anything closer to culture. That which cannot be felt does not exist. Dont forget that the people abide by whatever their ruler believed in. I cant remember an atheist monarchy. My proof for their non-existence in the past is that their presence was not palpated, because like true cowards, non(thats if their were any) was bold enough to admit it. On the contrary, what do you say?
Re: Why? Why? Why? Why? by Nobody: 10:13am On Sep 07, 2012
wiegraf:

This is interesting, however, if atheism rises to the summit I doubt it will come to pass. Main reason it shouldn't happen to atheism: atheism isn't a religion.

Now for humanism, I'm sure when various religions were in the ascendancy they made similar claims, ie, that they would be tolerant of other belief systems, only to climb to the top and become the oppressor. Other religions have achieved tolerant outlooks though, I'm no expert on religion but say bahai and buddhists (which isn't classified as a religion by many). So intolerance is not a foregone conclusion for successful belief systems. It probably depends on said systems attributes, and humanism is certainly built on principles of a global respect for life and various other similar concepts. For instance, countries with large atheist populations, which usually practice humanist principles, are not intolerant. Another issue is education and technology. We simply haven't had it this good in our history in just about every aspect of our lives. Communication will break down cultural barriers, we are becoming a global community. More or else one culture (just ginourmous), diversity will always exist but there will be a universally accepted moral code used as the base of all other codes.
One thing I could see coming to pass is ridicule of religious people that aren't able to separate their religion from their dealings with other people, especially if the beliefs are considered generally harmful or in violation of the universal code. Downright discrimination though would be very rare.

I doubt that atheism will not get to that level. Atheists make atheism look like a religion. Some even consider it a religion, since it's a faith in the non-existence of a supernatural creator. Inother words it is a belief in the absence of God. Awareness that one is in the majority intoxicates. Though the belief of atheists is centered on global justice, time and resistance of the minority religionists(then) will be a catalyst for atheism radical approach.
Re: Why? Why? Why? Why? by EvilBrain1(m): 11:00am On Sep 07, 2012
Reyginus: Yes, atheism is a new culture. I dont have to ask everybody, the history books are there. I will help you with the summary. Culture is the totality of a peoples way of life over a period of time. The point is : if their were atheists in the past, they dare not make it known or try to get converts(like the evangelical atheists in N l) else, like you said, they will be stoned. Why: because it was not their trademark. It was yet to become anything closer to culture. That which cannot be felt does not exist. Dont forget that the people abide by whatever their ruler believed in. I cant remember an atheist monarchy. My proof for their non-existence in the past is that their presence was not palpated, because like true cowards, non(thats if their were any) was bold enough to admit it. On the contrary, what do you say?

Let me get this straight. You're saying that in the past, atheists used to lay low to keep from being murdered by religious fanatics, therefore they didn't exist?

That makes perfect sense.
Re: Why? Why? Why? Why? by Nobody: 11:11am On Sep 07, 2012
Evil Brain:

therefore they didn't exist?

That makes perfect sense.
I agree.
Re: Why? Why? Why? Why? by wiegraf: 6:14pm On Sep 07, 2012
Reyginus: I doubt that atheism will not get to that level. Atheists make atheism look like a religion. Some even consider it a religion, since it's a faith in the non-existence of a supernatural creator. Inother words it is a belief in the absence of God. Awareness that one is in the majority intoxicates. Though the belief of atheists is centered on global justice, time and resistance of the minority religionists(then) will be a catalyst for atheism radical approach.

You're disregarding all the examples. You're entitled to your opinions of course, but they're just that, opinions.
Re: Why? Why? Why? Why? by saintvc(m): 12:02am On Sep 08, 2012
John 3 : 16, for God so lovd ATHEIST dat he sent his only son....

The doctor comes for d sick

JESUS CAME FOR D SINER

Jesus say we shud lov our friend and our enemy.

We shud try not to hate them even though they are annoyin .
Re: Why? Why? Why? Why? by engrtee(f): 11:04am On Sep 08, 2012
saintvc: John 3 : 16, for God so lovd ATHEIST dat he sent his only son....

The doctor comes for d sick

JESUS CAME FOR D SINER

Jesus say we shud lov our friend and our enemy.

We shud try not to hate them even though they are annoyin .

stop misquotin d bible, FOR GOD SO LOVED THE WORLD,(not atheist)
Re: Why? Why? Why? Why? by Nobody: 3:09pm On Sep 08, 2012
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Re: Why? Why? Why? Why? by Nobody: 3:10pm On Sep 08, 2012
wiegraf:

You're disregarding all the examples. You're entitled to your opinions of course, but they're just that, opinions.


Which examples?
Re: Why? Why? Why? Why? by wiegraf: 3:56pm On Sep 08, 2012
Reyginus: Which examples?

Buddhism, bahai, other peaceful belief systems. Hdi and religiosity. I equate hdi to tolerance, debatable, but I think it's fair to accept that the more developed are more tolerant. You don't relate genocide and similar with highly successful countries.

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