This highlights a problem that many people are blind to!



If christians were to enforce blasphemny laws in America, Islam would be gone. Islam claims that Jesus was a prophet of Islam. That is insulting to the christians who believe that Jesus is god. Furthermore, Islam claims that Jesus did not die on the cross to wash away sins which is the crux of christain religion.


Muslims who love blasphemy laws should be careful about what they wish for.

LOL you're so right.

Here is a particularly odious form of defamation against Christian sentiment, especially to the millions of Catholic and Orthodox Christians. According to Islam’s most authoritative Quranic exegetes, including the revered Ibn Kathir, Muhammad is in paradise married to and having sëx with the Virgin Mary

Catholics must be fumming at this obvious blasphemy!!

They really should be careful what they wish for

Shortsighted as usual. That is what makes them the religious that they are. They only see what will favour them immediately.

Paris_Love: As the Islamic world, in the guise of the 57-member state Organization of Islamic Cooperation, continues to push for the enforcement of “religious defamation” laws in the international arena—theoretically developed to protect all religions from insult, but in reality made for Islam—one great irony is lost, especially on Muslims: if such laws would ban movies and cartoons that defame Islam, they would also, by logical extension, have to ban the religion of Islam itself—the only religion whose core texts actively defame other religions.
http://counterjihadreport.com/2012/09/26/how-religious-defamation-laws-would-ban-islam/

Paris_Love: As the Islamic world, in the guise of the 57-member state Organization of Islamic Cooperation, continues to push for the enforcement of “religious defamation” laws in the international arena—theoretically developed to protect all religions from insult, but in reality made for Islam—one great irony is lost, especially on Muslims: if such laws would ban movies and cartoons that defame Islam, they would also, by logical extension, have to ban the religion of Islam itself—the only religion whose core texts actively defame other religions.
http://counterjihadreport.com/2012/09/26/how-religious-defamation-laws-would-ban-islam/

Nice!! this has got to be one of a few beautiful logics that occur on nairaland once in a while. Simple but very insightful, and I dare say: quite "un-nairaland"

Paris_Love: As the Islamic world, in the guise of the 57-member state Organization of Islamic Cooperation, continues to push for the enforcement of “religious defamation” laws in the international arena—theoretically developed to protect all religions from insult, but in reality made for Islam—one great irony is lost, especially on Muslims: if such laws would ban movies and cartoons that defame Islam, they would also, by logical extension, have to ban the religion of Islam itself—the only religion whose core texts actively defame other religions.
http://counterjihadreport.com/2012/09/26/how-religious-defamation-laws-would-ban-islam/

You are not being honest

..........there are no texts of the Qur'an that defame other religion........i challenge you to post them.....


..........Before now, there have been numerous websites that depict the prophet of Islam in negative lights....and Muslims have been living up with it
.........So therefore, u don't have to be too intelligent to know that going further to make videos and obscene cartoons of him was multipurpose.....
.........that is .......intentionally made to mock him.........
.....it a different thing to intend to engage the whole Muslim community in an argument concerning their prophet, and it's another thing to just go ahead and mock him.....
..................you should see the video yourself........

carefulme:

You are not being honest

..........there are no texts of the Qur'an that defame other religion........i challenge you to post them.....


..........Before now, there have been numerous websites that depict the prophet of Islam in negative lights....and Muslims have been living up with it
.........So therefore, u don't have to be too intelligent to know that going further to make videos and obscene cartoons of him was multipurpose.....
.........that is .......intentionally made to mock him.........
.....it a different thing to intend to engage the whole Muslim community in an argument concerning their prophet, and it's another thing to just go ahead and mock him.....
..................you should see the video yourself........

another brainwashed fellow.

Is Jesus a prophet or god in islam?

@ the UN, your freedom is being negotiated but not one noise from the mainstream media. These guys are equally complicit in the whole sorry debacle. Those who are thinking people already see what is unfolding before our eyes or away from our eyes. You will only knmow when it is a crime and there is no going back after that.....

I don't think you understand how it works, it would apply to everyone except muslims.

http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/2010/09/defecation-torah-new-testament

http://cifwatch.com/2012/09/23/jewish-reaction-to-thousands-of-antisemitic-arab-cartoons-no-riots-no-injuries-no-deaths/


Edit: oops, wrong link

carefulme:

You are not being honest

..........there are no texts of the Qur'an that defame other religion........i challenge you to post them.....


..........Before now, there have been numerous websites that depict the prophet of Islam in negative lights....and Muslims have been living up with it
.........So therefore, u don't have to be too intelligent to know that going further to make videos and obscene cartoons of him was multipurpose.....
.........that is .......intentionally made to mock him.........
.....it a different thing to intend to engage the whole Muslim community in an argument concerning their prophet, and it's another thing to just go ahead and mock him.....
..................you should see the video yourself........

you should've clicked that link to read the whole of the article.

Consider Christianity alone: Quran 5:73 declares that “Infidels are they who say Allah is one of three,” a reference to the Christian Trinity; Quran 5:73 says “Infidels are they who say Allah is the Christ, [Jesus] son of Mary”; and Quran 9:30 complains that “the Christians say the Christ is the son of Allah … may Allah’s curse be upon them!"

Considering that the word infidel (or kafir ) is one of Islam’s most derogatory terms,
what if a Christian book or Western movie appeared declaring that “ Infidels are they who say Muhammad is the prophet of God—may God’s curse be upon them ”? If Muslims would consider that a great defamation against Islam—and they would, with the attendant rioting, murders, etc.—then by the same standard it must be admitted that the Quran defames Christians and Christianity.

And you make sound like it's only Muhammad that's has been mocked.

For Christ's sake there's a movie that depicts Jesus as a gay. You should watch it yourself

MacDaddy01:



another brainwashed fellow.

Is Jesus a prophet or god in islam?

what has this got to do with ma post?.........
........... my above post doesn't seem to be discoursing Jesus being a prophet or a god.........
............it's no Crime asking though........
........according to Islam he was a prophet

This thread makes a lot of sense and should make the front page but unfortunately NL being what it is, the thread would soon be sent to the Islamic section were it would be put to a slow painful death by maclatunji.

What else can one expect from ISLAM, nothing good can come out of it.

[quote author=carefulme]

You are not being honest

..........there are no texts of the Qur'an that defame other religion........i challenge you to post them.....

Surah 7:166 But when even after this they disdainfully persisted in that from which they were forbidden, We said to them, "Become apes—despised and disgraced!" (Maududi)

Surah 2:65 And you know well the story of those among you who broke Sabbath. We said to them: "Be apes—despised and hated by all." 66 Thus We made their end a warning to the people of their time and succeeding generation, and an admonition for God-fearing people. (Maududi)

Surah 5:60 Then say: "Should I inform you [People of the Book] of those, who will have even worse recompense from Allah than the transgressors? They are those whom Allah has cursed; who have been under His wrath; some of whom were turned into apes and swine; who worshipped taghut [the devil or idols]; those are the people who are in a far worse plight and who have turned farthest away from the Right Way." (Maududi)

Qur'an (3:85) - "And whoever desires a religion other than Islam, it shall not be accepted from him, and in the hereafter he shall be one of the losers."

Qur'an (3:10) - "(As for) those who disbelieve, surely neither their wealth nor their children shall avail them in the least against Allah, and these it is who are the fuel of the fire."

Qur'an (5:51) - "O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends; they are friends of each other; and whoever amongst you takes them for a friend, then surely he is one of them; surely Allah does not guide the unjust people."

Hypocrites !!!

Islam is a very funny religion.

I will be watching this debate from the sideline.
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so with all you guys hyped education and overated IQ, the best you could come up with is your serial inability to understand what defame means? No wonder this country is veering off course when even the so called educated class cannot understand simple words without their deliberate dishonesty and untruthfulness!

I can now see why Isreal keeps kicking you guys out, you cannot afterall become children of God by just chanting hymns without character change!

^^^^ you should not have cited the example of Isreal kicking christians out because they went there for greener pasture and not for pilgrimage,and if they are illegal immigrants,why won‘t they be kicked out? Besides,saudi are the ones kicking the azz of the hajj brethren,therefore your argument is void.

vedaxcool: so with all you guys hyped education and overated IQ, the best you could come up with is your serial inability to understand what defame means? No wonder this country is veering off course when even the so called educated class cannot understand simple words without their deliberate dishonesty and untruthfulness!

I can now see why Isreal keeps kicking you guys out, you cannot afterall become children of God by just chanting hymns without character change!

You could try explaining it to us mere mortals

wiegraf:

You could try explaining it to us mere mortals

Off course mere mortal u did not read the dishonesty part of my statement did you?

Alaafia l‘oro:
^^^^ you should not have cited the example of Isreal kicking christians out because they went there for greener pasture and not for pilgrimage,and if they are illegal immigrants,why won‘t they be kicked out? Besides,saudi are the ones kicking the azz of the hajj brethren,therefore your argument is void.

And the serial inability to understand continues . . . What a pity

Paris_Love:
Consider Christianity alone: Quran 5:73 declares that “Infidels are they who say Allah is one of three,” a reference to the Christian Trinity; Quran 5:73 says “Infidels are they who say Allah is the Christ, [Jesus] son of Mary”; and Quran 9:30 complains that “the Christians say the Christ is the son of Allah … may Allah’s curse be upon them!"

you should've clicked that link to read the whole of the article.
And you make sound like it's only Muhammad that's has been mocked.

For Christ's sake there's a movie that depicts Jesus as a gay. You should watch it yourself

i am not sure if people really want us to leave Islam for a good reason
.......or maybe are just hell bent in misguiding us (i mean i don't care how and why you should but just leave ISLAM)
........the above is just one of the few ways they hope to achieve this.......... "PRESENTING WRONG Translations OF THE QUR'AN"....

5:73 says “Infidels are they who say Allah is the Christ, [Jesus] son of Mary”

Sahih International
They have certainly disbelieved who say, " Allah is the third of three." And there is no god except one God. And if they do not desist from what they are saying, there will surely afflict the disbelievers among them a painful punishment.

Muhsin Khan
Surely, disbelievers are those who said: "Allah is the third of the three (in a Trinity)." But there is no ilah (god) (none who has the right to be worshipped) but One Ilah (God -Allah). And if they cease not from what they say, verily, a painful torment will befall the disbelievers among them.

Pickthall
They surely disbelieve who say: Lo! Allah is the third of three; when there is no Allah save the One Allah. If they desist not from so saying a painful doom will fall on those of them who disbelieve.

Shakir
Certainly they disbelieve who say: Surely Allah is the third (person) of the three; and there is no god but the one Allah, and if they desist not from what they say, a painful chastisement shall befall those among them who disbelieve.

.........these are part of the nuances in language that not everybody will notice..........TONES and MOOD....
.....because one of the few ways to convince people is getting to their minds, it is then imperative that the speaker tries all that he can to lobby with the hearts of his listeners....with his use of words(i.e presenting statements in ways that he considers most appropriate to drive home his points)....this is general to everybody and depends on speaker or writer's motive......in fact my own post is an example........

Now to the above translations....
......it is easily predictable that the first translator is an hater of Islam as it is obvious from his use and choice of words ...now u get it "the speaker or writer's motive"............his is different in tone and meaning from the rest of the translations.....though incomplete
.....even though it can not be said that other translations don't differ at all, i think their differences would be forgivable after recognizing the "human factor" thing.......assuming they are accurate....

you would agree that "you are a liar" is not as mild as "you lied"......now it depends on individuals to see similar intent in the above translation.....the first statement

.......If u said other translators were biased and that their translations were based on their proclivity to their faith......(of course not without a proof)
.........then i would say the same thing applies to the the first translator above.
........AND WE HAVE A DRAW .......this is in fact the best you can come up with......

Paris_Love:
Quran 9:30 complains that “the Christians say the Christ is the son of Allah … may Allah’s curse be upon them!"

you should've clicked that link to read the whole of the article.
And you make sound like it's only Muhammad that's has been mocked.

For Christ's sake there's a movie that depicts Jesus as a gay. You should watch it yourself

and of course this translation is also different from it sister translations....the same argument holds for it as above

Pickthall
And the Jews say: Ezra is the son of Allah, and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah. That is their saying with their mouths. They imitate the saying of those who disbelieved of old. Allah (Himself) fighteth against them. How perverse are they!

Shakir
And the Jews say: Uzair is the son of Allah; and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah; these are the words of their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before; may Allah destroy them; how they are turned away!

Dr. Ghali
And the Jews have said, "cUzayr (i.e. Ezra) is the son of Allah. "And the Nasara (i.e. the Christians) have said, Al-Masih (The Messiah) is the son of Allah." That is their saying with their mouths, conforming with the saying of the disbelievers earlier. Allah fights them! However are they diverged (into) falsehood? .

Now tell me if any of the translations contain profane or obscene statements about other religions...otherwise proof to me that it is blasphemous
...or do you consider any beliefs contrary to yours blasphemous?

....Christians and Muslims have over the years held many beliefs that are contrary to each other.....and not many eyebrows have been raised because of thia......unless pushed beyond the tolerance of some(e.g intentionally putting mocking pictures of prophet in public places to incite violence and hate)

..... and finally
almost all xtian know that muslims consider the son-ship and father-ship of Jesus and God blasphemous...and xtians dont seem to be disturbed by such opinions of muslims.....
.....and more blasphemous would be a picture depicting God carry his Son Jesus.......(of course it's logical to say a Father would one day carry his son)
.....and more blasphemous would be a video of God having sex with a woman to conceive Jesus shown in a public place.......(as one would naturally expect that a sexual event takes place before conception).......and all xtian would argue that such beliefs of the Muslims have been taken beyond limit (..though muslims dont believe such and would do no such thing)......

.....so if u think our prophet is a superman of sex, a pedophile, a racist etc.....please keep it in your head or within the boundaries of your screen or book(i.e less expressive or more tolerable) rather than make it more explicit by making caricatures and videos of it in places as public as youtube and expects that it still be tolerable to most Muslims as it is the numerous profane statements of non-muslim Nairalanders about Islam.....

vedaxcool:

Off course mere mortal u did not read the dishonesty part of my statement did you?

I qualify as one of the people you're addressing? So are you saying I know the meaning of defamation but I'm disingenuous? Can you think of a reason to why I'd go out of my way to do that? Is it because muslims are special? Are you retar.ded?

What does defamation mean, oh wise one?

wiegraf:

I qualify as one of the people you're addressing? So are you saying I know the meaning of defamation but I'm disingenuous? Can you think of a reason to why I'd go out of my way to do that? Is it because muslims are special? Are you retar.ded?

What does defamation mean, oh wise one?

Thank goodness you proved my point, inability to comprehend and sheer dishonesty making a double impact on your miniscule brain oh mere mortal!

vedaxcool:

Thank goodness you proved my point, inability to comprehend and sheer dishonesty making a double impact on your miniscule brain oh mere mortal!

You have a point? Could you point it out?
You seem to be saying I do not understand the profound argument you're making while simultaneously saying that I understand but I'm feigning ignorance, that's why I think you're ret.arded. As I genuinely don't get your points, I ask, then you use the "logic" above to dodge answering simple questions. Or am I missing something?

What is defamation, your big-brainess?

frosbel: Surah 7:166 But when even after this they disdainfully persisted in that from which they were forbidden, We said to them, "Become apes—despised and disgraced!" (Maududi)

Surah 2:65 And you know well the story of those among you who broke Sabbath. We said to them: "Be apes—despised and hated by all." 66 Thus We made their end a warning to the people of their time and succeeding generation, and an admonition for God-fearing people. (Maududi)

Surah 5:60 Then say: "Should I inform you [People of the Book] of those, who will have even worse recompense from Allah than the transgressors? They are those whom Allah has cursed; who have been under His wrath; some of whom were turned into apes and swine; who worshipped taghut [the devil or idols]; those are the people who are in a far worse plight and who have turned farthest away from the Right Way." (Maududi)

Qur'an (3:85) - "And whoever desires a religion other than Islam, it shall not be accepted from him, and in the hereafter he shall be one of the losers."

Qur'an (3:10) - "(As for) those who disbelieve, surely neither their wealth nor their children shall avail them in the least against Allah, and these it is who are the fuel of the fire."

Qur'an (5:51) - "O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends; they are friends of each other; and whoever amongst you takes them for a friend, then surely he is one of them; surely Allah does not guide the unjust people."

Hypocrites !!!

so mr frosbel.... how is the above defamatory and obscene to other religions?.......did it contain videos and pictures of other prophets dancing nude with their wives or maybe u just consider beliefs contrary to yours blasphemous?


....convincing unyielding believers can be very impossible. So a better way to bring upholders of such beliefs to their senses is extending their reasoning to other areas where their reasoning evades.............

God is indeed defamatory and blasphemous to upholders of non-gravity law for making the earth obey the law of gravity.....(i really hate that the earth obeys gravity)

Most countries of the world are intolerant, defamatory and blasphemous to offenders of the law as it states that "the arm of the law shall cut up with its offenders ".........same to the murderers...."whoever kills by the sword die by the sword"

I am indeed defamatory and blasphemous to a fatherless child cos any woman who brings forth to me a child which is not mine, it shall never be accepted from her and shall be of the losers in the end......... (compare 4th verse)

"i will spank any child who goes out of this room"....said a blasphemous teacher to her little pupils........(compare: 5th verse)

And of course the western countries are blasphemous for taking friends amongst themselves .....(compare: 6th verse)

and so is JAMB for setting its cut off point to 200 against below-average students ....just like Allah said only Islam would be accepted for entry into paradise(compare: 4th verse)

God was defamatory and blasphemous to sinners for threatening to punish them for their rebellion......(the 5th verse)

And of course would be unjust if he didn't warn them either....

And Seun Osewa is defamatory and blasphemous for preferring "green" as most colors on nairaland...why not "yellow" my most favorite color....how intolerant a choice of color!!!!

"I was sent only to the lost sheep of isreal"......Jesus was defamatory and blasphemous to non Israelites... (wasn't it just a plain statement? as is the 4th verse)

".......inside you are full of greed and wickedness” (Luke 11:39)"....jesus was defamatory and blasphemous to the pharisee (even if it's the truth )

"“You fools! Did not he who made the outside [of the cup] make the inside also?"...blasphemous and defamatory of course.....same all dictionaries that contain such word as "fools"....(doesn't everybody has the right to be foolish?)

"God was blasphemous and defamatory to send Adam and his wife out of the garden for just eating an apple.....must they necessarily obey his laws (compare : 1st, 2nd and third verse )

"and has for those who disobey the law, their money or children will avail them not and at the end will be of the losers and prisoners" (compare: 5th verse).....the Nigerian law is defamatory and blasphemous to those who choose to disobey the law....in fact it's intolerant.....cant i choose to disobey the law...?

"my Son, when u get to school,plz do not take mr akpan sons has your close friends but rather mr oguns friend...they are from our country side and i appear to be more comfortable dealing with them than others....says an intolerant and blasphemous mother to her kids...(compare: the 6th verse)

and by claiming that the above statements are blasphemous, i am also defamatory and blasphemous to those who hold contrary opinions...

.....and of course those who hold contrary opinions are also defamatory and blasphemous for thinking that i am wrong.....

.....so who else is not blasphemous?.....

.......OK an aeroplane, also blasphemous to the passengers for killing them all because JUST TWO engines failled.....as is Allah for turning some people to pigs just because they disbelieve (compare: 1st 2nd and 3rd verse)....

......Also, mr frosbel thinks my previous post was hypocritical and so qualifies for the "defamation and blasphemy tagging" too

wiegraf:

You have a point? Could you point it out?
You seem to be saying I do not understand the profound argument you're making while simultaneously saying that I understand but I'm feigning ignorance, that's why I think you're ret.arded. As I genuinely don't get your points, I ask, then you use the "logic" above to dodge answering simple questions. Or am I missing something?

What is defamation, your big-brainess?

Point is for you to reason, you need to be honest. This seems lacking in your person.

vedaxcool:

Point is for you to reason, you need to be honest. This seems lacking in your person.

ok

vedaxcool:

Point is for you to reason, you need to be honest. This seems lacking in your person.

You dont get it, do you? If I say you should help me know, because of 'my reasoning incompetency', and you who claim to know, resort to telling me I dont know, even when I made it clear that I dont know, it all goes down to show that you are not in the capacity to know that I dont know because you dont know.

vedaxcool: so with all you guys hyped education and overated IQ, the best you could come up with is your serial inability to understand what defame means? No wonder this country is veering off course when even the so called educated class cannot understand simple words without their deliberate dishonesty and untruthfulness!

I can now see why Isreal keeps kicking you guys out, you cannot afterall become children of God by just chanting hymns without character change!

See this retardeen (your deen is retar.ded.


As an atheist I can only laugh at your butthurt. You islamists want blasphemy laws, yet your religion is blasphemy to christianity.


Please tell me again, is Jesus God or only a prophet? In the 13th century, you would have been killed in the West for answering that he is only a prophet

Solitary confinement breeds insanity!

vedaxcool: Solitary confinement breeds insanity!

See this brainwashed muslim calling someone insane!


#hypocrite muslim