Double post

Dudu_Negro:

Another closet Yoruba-Igbo unveiled.  


It is obvious that a new Yoruba citizenry is forming. Some Igbos are closet Yorubas.....they dream and desire to be Yorubas but are afraid of publicly admitting their secret desires. After years of rivalry they have come to grips with what The Land of Milk & Honey is and they desire to detach from their ugly past and embrace a beautiful future. Of course this is the innate drive of human idealism, to migrate towards that which is life supporting.

To all the Igbo brothers, and sisters, desiring to become Yoruba citizens, we welcome you to Oduduwa's Empire.

Don't celebrate too soon, Odia Ofeimun is from edo state

make ona go tell ojukwu and the others na

IGBO-SON:
@debetmx:

If you can't figure out who i was referring to as your 'father' in my last post then na your wahala be that. You say Igbos are disrespectful to their fathers?; what makes you say that......is it b'cos you don't see them dogbale for elders like your people do?

Nowhere in my last post did i say you blamed the entire Igbo for the 1966 coup; is a basic understanding of english beyond your capabilities? Go back again and re-read my last post, and this time try and relate it to the guy you were responding to.

I agree with you that the actions of ALL who carried out the first coup are condemnable seeing as they overreached themselves by going on to kill; if not for your dislike (let's leave out the word 'hate' ) for Igbos, you'd have seen the coup for what it was -a reprehensible action by certain individuals- and not use it as an excuse to tar an entire people as being complicit......which you've invariably done by making an issue of where majority of the coupists are from.

You said: "It is record that ibos openly celebrated and mocked the northerners who lost their lives because they were not their own people, the same reason Ifeajuna killed Tafawa Balewa but sat down to drink tea with Dr. Michael Okpara". This is interesting! You have links or 'independent' records of such celebratory gatherings.....and how widespread was it? I'm really curious to know, because if it did happen, not only were the celebrants insensitive, but they were downright stupid as well......and say whatever you want about my people, but you'd have to agree with me that 'insensitive' and 'stupid' are tags that just doesn't fit.

Like i've always said, like monday morning armchair football critics, we now have the luxury to pluck holes in Ikembas war strategy with the benefit of hindsight and all that; but we should not lose sight of the fact that there's a wide gulf between any errors that may have been made in the heat of the moment, having seen the blood of your brothers and sisters spilled, and with no guarantees for the pogrom to stop, and on the other hand, making a wilful and conscious decision to support and oversee acts that lead to the death of millions, in the name of 'all being fair in love and war', and using the lives of women and children to make the 'pesky and stubborn' enemy combatants surrender since normal conventional warfare didn't seem to be making much headway; the latter is what you don't have a problem with, hence my earlier assertion that you're the true son of your 'father'.

You said: "I (we) don't share ojukwu's delusions and ambitions because how do you undertake a military expedition that you know is bound to end in defeat". You're allowing your dislike for the man becloud your sense of reasoning. Do you honestly think that Ikemba -on a whim- led Biafra to declare secession from the 'mere geographical expression' that is Nigeria because he was ambitious, or do you think he did it after realising the duplicitious and two-faced nature of the people he was dealing with, whom -after having agreed on the way forward at Aburi- now went ahead to chuck their own copy of the agreement in the waste bin on Gowons return? Do you reckon his actions were also guided by the utterances of Awo (whom he obviously saw as a gentleman) that if Biafra was allowed to secede the Yoruba race would leave as well, hence his belief that Awo and Yorubas didn't believe in 'one Nigeria' as well and would remain neutral. Do you believe that the Aburi accord which today everyone (including your kinsfolk) are saying we should revisit was not the right way forward and hence shows that Ikemba had the best interests for his people and Nigeria at heart?

If you take the quotes of an emotional C.C Onoh seriously then it says more about the shaky grounds your argument stands on than anything else!

That piece Ojukwu wrote on Awo is quite touching isn't it? The man that wrote this article that you're quick to thrust in my face is the same man you earlier said was callous and heartless remember?; when i now say that you speak from both sides of your mouth, you go come begin dey vex! You know what?; i agree with most of what Ikemba said about Awo (surprise....surprise!): he was good at furthering the interests of his people and Ndigbo would have done better if Zik was a bit more like him. And this is the crux of the issue.....unlike Zik, he was too much of a 'regional' and 'tribal' leader. Does anyone for a second think that Zik or Ikemba would condone what happened to Igbos happening to Yorubas if say the shoe was on the other foot?; you can bet that Ikemba and the entire Igbo race would have stood shoulder to shoulder with NdiYoruba to fight the murderous aggressors! As fellow Christians and liberals, one should know when 'politics' should end, and when standing up for justice and humanity should begin; sadly, not recognizing this fact was Awos' achilles heel!

@ Igbo-son, I was banned but am back at y'all again

Kindly read the first and last paragraph of my earlier post about what I wrote about my 'father' before you expose your ignorance and arrogance. You know pride goes before a fall and I think it applies to your tribe.

You said I hate or dislike the ibos. Ok, from a Yoruba point of view, look at it this way, The January 15, 1966 coupist killed Yoruba people and they left out their own people ? I hate or dislike them, whichever word you think is appropriate. The July 29, 1966 coupist killed ibo people and left out their own people so you hate them. Essentially, the July 29, 1966 coup was more than a coup. It was a revenge coup for the January 15, 1966 coup where your boys killed other people leaders and by coincidence your leaders disappeared and the coup leader even had tea with the premier of the eastern region who was marked down for elimination. The actions of some northern people was crude and wicked you know my friend but as the saying goes "REVENGE IS A DISH BETTER SERVED COLD" and literally the ibos had it "STONE-COLD". Life aint fair my brother.

On the issue of ibos celebrating the January Victory. Did you ever read about the July 1966 coup and what lead to it? Your people singing the song “Ewu Ne Ba Akwa”, wives of ibo officers mocking wives of the northern officers. The Police team appointed by Aguiyi Ironsi led by Mr. Trout who was Head of Special Branch (an expatriate), MD Yusuf and Isa Adejo to investigate the January 15, 1966 coup in their report “The Special Branch Police Report” stated as follows in Paragraph 24;
“24. The execution of the plan was to take place in three areas only, i.e. Kaduna, Ibadan and the Lagos area, although many of the participants believed the insurrection to be nation wide. It is a matter of established fact that no violent action took place in either Benin City or Enugu. It has been suggested that these areas were spared because the plotters found it impossible to recruit reliable co-conspirators in these regions. None of the officers has indicated under interrogation that any efforts to recruit collaborators in either Benin or Enugu were made. Indeed subsequent action of some of the leading officers indicated collaboration with the then Premier of Eastern region”. That is Majors Arinze Ifeajuna and Donatus Okafor with Dr. Michael Okpara
You wrote your people are not insensitive and stupid. The average ibo person is insensitive to other people’s feelings. He hardly cares about how you feel as long as he is comfortable. You mean nothing to him. On the issue of not being stupid, all I know is that the ibo people think they are smartest people on earth.

I am surprised you are comparing a football contest with war. War is not mortal kombat where after you die you can still keep on re-playing. May be your people had extra life, I wouldn’t know. The pogrom had stopped in September 1966 and ojukwu declared secession in May 1967. That's a period of Eight months. Remember ojukwu only declared secession when Gowon created 12 states on May 27, 1967 and divided the eastern region into three states namely; East Central State comprised of the ibo people, the South Eastern State which comprised of the present day Cross River and Akwa Ibom state and the Rivers State comprised of the present day of Bayelsa and Rivers State. There is a Yoruba proverb which says “The witch cried yesterday, the child died today, who does not know it was the witch that killed the child". I know you can figure out what I mean. Gowon the "witch" created 12 states yesterday; ojukwu the "child" declared secession today. Do you make decisions to go to war on the spur of the moment of anger? Yes He could when he knew he could run away with his own family members after wasting 3 million lives. I don't have any two words for ojukwu but COWARD. For example hired assassins kill your parents before you, so there and there you will attack the assassin when you don't have weapons to fight back. Obvious you want to commit suicide. There is Yoruba proverb which says "A child does not ask what (who) killed his parents till he is strong enough so that he does not suffer a similar fate" I am more surprised that the ibos would allow 33yr old man lead them to their deaths by telling them to fight a war he knew they could win and sending them to war fronts without weapons. About 'all being fair in love and war', I would advise you read "STUPID WARS" by ED Strosser and Michael Prince. Also read about the Liberian war then you would know that the biafran war was child's play. Would I feed my enemy so that he can kill me? HELL NO. Did ojukwu look under fed or did ojukwu or achebe's children go hungry or suffer from kwashiorkor during the stupid war? BLOODY HELL NO. I guess that answers that. During the pogrom they lost 60,000 lives, after the war they lost 3 million lives. I swear ojukwu should be charged post-humously before the ICJ for "REVERSE POGROM".

There is no way I would like a man who gambled with the lives of 3 million people. Yet the cantankerous coward ran into exile with his family members. Yes ojukwu was ambitious and would not want to take orders from a Lt. Colonel like him. I have always said the biafran war was a personal war between Gowon and ojukwu. ojukwu only declared secession when his powers were reduced to the newly created Eastern Central State. Did ojukwu conduct a referendum among people in the old eastern region or even among his own ibo people if they wanted to be administered in another country the republic of biafra? When Adaka Boro declared secession of his people from the Eastern Region by declaring Niger Delta Republic what did Aguiyi Ironsi and emeka odimegwu ojukwu do? I NEED AN ANSWER PLEASE. On Aburi, you and I know Ojukwu was more educated and came better prepared than the other Nigeria officers who came to meeting in Aburi. Every proposal put forward by him were adopted unanimously without understanding the implication of what they were signing so you can’t blame them for being malicious or treachery. Notwithstanding do you go to war with everyone who fails to fulfill his own part of an agreement? Besides, Brigadier Hilary Njoku, the first GOC of the biafran army who advised ojukwu to accept it since he got at least go 90% of what he was asking for, was put in jail throughout the duration of the biafran war. Everyone who disagreed with him on biafra were either killed or imprisoned. It is only a selfish and inconsiderate man that does not care about the other party that comes to reconciliation table and gets 90% of what he wants but keeps insisting on 100%. “If any Region secedes, the Federation as we know it shall cease to exist and Western Region shall, automatically become independent and sovereign”. Awolowo tried to broker peace at his considerable personal risk between the Federal Government and ojukwu but the coward remained obstinate. Did the eastern region leave the Federation? No, so the Yorubas could and would not leave the Federation.
According to a broadcast to the German people on Bayerischer Rundfunk Muchen(Bavarian Broadcasting, Munich) on 11 September 1967, The German west African correspondent of the service for many years, Klaus W. Stephan said Ojukwu “had determined to alter the political constellation of power in Nigeria by means of the army one day. He sympathised with the January 1966 plot-makers but was careful enough to avoid any overplayed attachment to them. Ojukwu told me later that it had being him who had requested General Ironsi to crush the coup, and that he had stopped the General from being arrested.” On 8 April 1967 in Enugu, Ojukwu told Suzanne Cronje, the author of The World and Nigeria: The Diplomatic History of the Biafran War, 1967-1970 : 'On January 15, I was the one who advised Ironsi to stand as the Head of the Army, call for support and then organize the various units that would immediately support, so that the rebels who were bound to be few and already committed would suddenly find that the whole thing was phasing away.” “Obviously on the grounds of thankful feelings, the General made him Military Governor of the Eastern provinces,” Stephan continues on air in Germany. “I know Ojukwu as a man of more than average intelligence, extraordinary versatility, high eloquence and remarkable personal charm. But there are two characteristics in that man that are not realised by many people for a long time: his greed for power and his ability to charm and enchant the masses: a demagogue.” Need I remind you that Awolowo told the Yorubas to support the Federal Government after the invasion of Neutral Mid-West after committing numerous atrocities by the biafran soldiers and hurtling down to Ore on their way to liberate (Occupy us) the Yorubas. Hear Awolowo “The Yorubas have never set out to dominate others, but have always resisted, with all the energy in them any attempt however slight or disguised, by others to dominate them.… Indeed it is for these reasons that they must now be ready to resist any attempt by the rebel forces from the East and the Mid-West to violate their territory and subjugate them.… To these ends, therefore, all Yoruba people, particularly those in the Western and Lagos States which now face the threats of invasion must not only be as vigilant as ever, but must also lose no time and spare no efforts in giving every conceivable support to the Federal troops in defence of their homeland, and of the Fatherland.”

C. C Onoh was a distinguished ibo man and Nigerian and for you to cast aspersion his person says a lot your character and may be that of your people.

You wrote “when I now say you speak from both sides of your mouth, you go begin dey vex” Kindly explain how I spoke from both sides of my mouth? I still maintain what I said of ojukwu’s character and am sure you are educated enough to understand that there is a difference between someone’s character and his opinion about a person or an issue. The main problem I have with ojukwu is him starting a war he knew his people were ill equipped to fight then running in the middle of night dressed like a woman. Any way he was not the first ibo man, Ifeajuna had 419ed his fellow Majors to execute a coup then goes for a cup of tea with the premier of the eastern region then runs into exile (bit. ach move) . When Nwobosi shot SLA he didn’t know he was a fellow Christian, when Onwutuagwu shot Brigadier Samuel Ademulegun and his pregnant wife he didn’t know he was a fellow Christian, when Nzeogwu shot Sergeant Oyewole, he didn’t know he was his fellow Christian to say a few. Kindly leave religion out of the biafran war. To me, it was a war between two Christians, Gowon and ojukwu. Listen to yourself you want the Yorubas to lay down their lives for the ibos? You seem to forget during the January perpetrated by ibo boys that they killed Yoruba people too. Is that the kind of people you want to lose sleep over? Hell No, the ibos should fix their problems themselves. The Benjamin Adekunle you all cast aspersions on, almost lost his life when he volunteered to escort ibo officers back to the eastern region. Even during the July 29, 1966 coup some northern officers who protected ibo people were almost killed. People like Katsina and Shuwa had to run into hiding. As Lt. Col Hassan Katsina put it at Aburi, “I have seen an Army mutiny in Kano and if you see me trembling you will know what a mutiny is. ………… for two good days I saw a real mutiny when a C.O. of Northern origin commanding soldiers of Northern origin had to run away.“ When your people invaded the neutral Mid-West and committed numerous atrocities including killing innocent people by fleeing biafran soldiers in the name liberation, your people didn’t understand when standing up for justice and humanity should begin; sadly this fact was the beginning of that coward rebel leader’s problem with the Yorubas.

Was Gowon prepared for war? What happened to his 24hour police action to arrest Ojukwu?

Was The United States Continental Army ready for war against the powerful British?

Were the French people prepared for war when they stopped Owambe culture and stopped following pastors so they could overthrow the corrupt king and his class?


Of course the Biafra people were not "prepared", but they fought with what they had and survived for 3 years. Yet today, Nigeria cannot even fly their people 40 years after to France or England on their own Airlines.

Today Nigeria cannot give their people constant power, cannot boast of any world class universities or medical centers (as David Mark frequents Germany for medical checkup).

Today Nigeria boast of more churches than modern factories, and has problems of fuel scarcity and teacher strikes.

So, in short, Nigerian leaders are not prepared to even govern the country and should be put on trial for causing millions to go hungry, die prematurely on bad roads and from pollution, and for all the religious murders that take place hourly in the North.

Biiiaatch

The only flawed individual in Nigeria is the Igbo person apparently. Its amazing to see people pour their hearts out for one group of people but can't give the same effort of enthusiasm to fixing Nigeria.

Crayola1: The only flawed individual in Nigeria is the Igbo person apparently. Its amazing to see people pour their hearts out for one group of people but can't give the same effort of enthusiasm to fixing Nigeria.

Anyone that "feels sorry" for Igbo people need to have their heads examined. Anyone that feels that the Igbo have been "marginalized" in Nigeria does not know what they are talking about. All Nigeria has done is diminished us. It has crimped our wings and reduced us to the level of people that dont belong in our league. That, my friends, is the real grouse of the Igbo!

Obviously both sides had blames to share in the war episode and the aftermath.For Ojukwu to have started the war he was prepared for the consequence of losing it and so its maligning someone who did not plan a war with you to carry the blame of your loss.
If Awolowo ever told Ojukwu of his support or desire to raise an army to fight the Federal Government that would be another issue but obviously the case was not and so Ojukwu subjected his people to a great suffering and turned himself to a hero by blaming someone else for his deeds.
I think the igbo people are doing well today even though it can not be compared with if there had not been a war loss but i think the heart of the people has been made to trade blame as to the source of their challenges which i think is political. GEJ i think share passion with the East and will make things better but the people need to do some hand shakes across the Niger to make better politicians.

People such as goofy Odia Ofeimun and entities like the Committee for Relevant Art, CORA which invited the airhead for book launching is one among many reasons Nigeria needs to be disintegrated. Eastern Nigeria was not a country and one wonders how Awolowo could be telling Ojukwu to prepare for war or not.

The moronic Odia Ofeimun could have, at least, interrogated himself on the possibility of defenseless folks itching for war when such fracas is not precipitated upon them. Facts remain that Biafra did not declare war on Nigeria but expressed the desire to exit independent of Nigeria.

If the drooling egghead in Odia Ofeimun could avoid wetting his pants when pressed, he could have suggested that Gowon and leadership of Nigeria be tried for precipitating a war of attrition on people who did not wish death to Nigerians but simply wanted to leave in place they could call home. I curse the day that saw me as a compatriot of this jackass called Odia Ofeimun.

debetmx:

@ Igbo-son, I was banned but am back at y'all again

Kindly read the first and last paragraph of my earlier post about what I wrote about my 'father' before you expose your ignorance and arrogance. You know pride goes before a fall and I think it applies to your tribe.

You said I hate or dislike the ibos. Ok, from a Yoruba point of view, look at it this way, The January 15, 1966 coupist killed Yoruba people and they left out their own people ? I hate or dislike them, whichever word you think is appropriate. The July 29, 1966 coupist killed ibo people and left out their own people so you hate them. Essentially, the July 29, 1966 coup was more than a coup. It was a revenge coup for the January 15, 1966 coup where your boys killed other people leaders and by coincidence your leaders disappeared and the coup leader even had tea with the premier of the eastern region who was marked down for elimination. The actions of some northern people was crude and wicked you know my friend but as the saying goes "REVENGE IS A DISH BETTER SERVED COLD" and literally the ibos had it "STONE-COLD". Life aint fair my brother.

On the issue of ibos celebrating the January Victory. Did you ever read about the July 1966 coup and what lead to it? Your people singing the song “Ewu Ne Ba Akwa”, wives of ibo officers mocking wives of the northern officers. The Police team appointed by Aguiyi Ironsi led by Mr. Trout who was Head of Special Branch (an expatriate), MD Yusuf and Isa Adejo to investigate the January 15, 1966 coup in their report “The Special Branch Police Report” stated as follows in Paragraph 24;
“24. The execution of the plan was to take place in three areas only, i.e. Kaduna, Ibadan and the Lagos area, although many of the participants believed the insurrection to be nation wide. It is a matter of established fact that no violent action took place in either Benin City or Enugu. It has been suggested that these areas were spared because the plotters found it impossible to recruit reliable co-conspirators in these regions. None of the officers has indicated under interrogation that any efforts to recruit collaborators in either Benin or Enugu were made. Indeed subsequent action of some of the leading officers indicated collaboration with the then Premier of Eastern region”. That is Majors Arinze Ifeajuna and Donatus Okafor with Dr. Michael Okpara
You wrote your people are not insensitive and stupid. The average ibo person is insensitive to other people’s feelings. He hardly cares about how you feel as long as he is comfortable. You mean nothing to him. On the issue of not being stupid, all I know is that the ibo people think they are smartest people on earth.

I am surprised you are comparing a football contest with war. War is not mortal kombat where after you die you can still keep on re-playing. May be your people had extra life, I wouldn’t know. The pogrom had stopped in September 1966 and ojukwu declared secession in May 1967. That's a period of Eight months. Remember ojukwu only declared secession when Gowon created 12 states on May 27, 1967 and divided the eastern region into three states namely; East Central State comprised of the ibo people, the South Eastern State which comprised of the present day Cross River and Akwa Ibom state and the Rivers State comprised of the present day of Bayelsa and Rivers State. There is a Yoruba proverb which says “The witch cried yesterday, the child died today, who does not know it was the witch that killed the child". I know you can figure out what I mean. Gowon the "witch" created 12 states yesterday; ojukwu the "child" declared secession today. Do you make decisions to go to war on the spur of the moment of anger? Yes He could when he knew he could run away with his own family members after wasting 3 million lives. I don't have any two words for ojukwu but COWARD. For example hired assassins kill your parents before you, so there and there you will attack the assassin when you don't have weapons to fight back. Obvious you want to commit suicide. There is Yoruba proverb which says "A child does not ask what (who) killed his parents till he is strong enough so that he does not suffer a similar fate" I am more surprised that the ibos would allow 33yr old man lead them to their deaths by telling them to fight a war he knew they could win and sending them to war fronts without weapons. About 'all being fair in love and war', I would advise you read "STUPID WARS" by ED Strosser and Michael Prince. Also read about the Liberian war then you would know that the biafran war was child's play. Would I feed my enemy so that he can kill me? HELL NO. Did ojukwu look under fed or did ojukwu or achebe's children go hungry or suffer from kwashiorkor during the stupid war? BLOODY HELL NO. I guess that answers that. During the pogrom they lost 60,000 lives, after the war they lost 3 million lives. I swear ojukwu should be charged post-humously before the ICJ for "REVERSE POGROM".

There is no way I would like a man who gambled with the lives of 3 million people. Yet the cantankerous coward ran into exile with his family members. Yes ojukwu was ambitious and would not want to take orders from a Lt. Colonel like him. I have always said the biafran war was a personal war between Gowon and ojukwu. ojukwu only declared secession when his powers were reduced to the newly created Eastern Central State. Did ojukwu conduct a referendum among people in the old eastern region or even among his own ibo people if they wanted to be administered in another country the republic of biafra? When Adaka Boro declared secession of his people from the Eastern Region by declaring Niger Delta Republic what did Aguiyi Ironsi and emeka odimegwu ojukwu do? I NEED AN ANSWER PLEASE. On Aburi, you and I know Ojukwu was more educated and came better prepared than the other Nigeria officers who came to meeting in Aburi. Every proposal put forward by him were adopted unanimously without understanding the implication of what they were signing so you can’t blame them for being malicious or treachery. Notwithstanding do you go to war with everyone who fails to fulfill his own part of an agreement? Besides, Brigadier Hilary Njoku, the first GOC of the biafran army who advised ojukwu to accept it since he got at least go 90% of what he was asking for, was put in jail throughout the duration of the biafran war. Everyone who disagreed with him on biafra were either killed or imprisoned. It is only a selfish and inconsiderate man that does not care about the other party that comes to reconciliation table and gets 90% of what he wants but keeps insisting on 100%. “If any Region secedes, the Federation as we know it shall cease to exist and Western Region shall, automatically become independent and sovereign”. Awolowo tried to broker peace at his considerable personal risk between the Federal Government and ojukwu but the coward remained obstinate. Did the eastern region leave the Federation? No, so the Yorubas could and would not leave the Federation.
According to a broadcast to the German people on Bayerischer Rundfunk Muchen(Bavarian Broadcasting, Munich) on 11 September 1967, The German west African correspondent of the service for many years, Klaus W. Stephan said Ojukwu “had determined to alter the political constellation of power in Nigeria by means of the army one day. He sympathised with the January 1966 plot-makers but was careful enough to avoid any overplayed attachment to them. Ojukwu told me later that it had being him who had requested General Ironsi to crush the coup, and that he had stopped the General from being arrested.” On 8 April 1967 in Enugu, Ojukwu told Suzanne Cronje, the author of The World and Nigeria: The Diplomatic History of the Biafran War, 1967-1970 : 'On January 15, I was the one who advised Ironsi to stand as the Head of the Army, call for support and then organize the various units that would immediately support, so that the rebels who were bound to be few and already committed would suddenly find that the whole thing was phasing away.” “Obviously on the grounds of thankful feelings, the General made him Military Governor of the Eastern provinces,” Stephan continues on air in Germany. “I know Ojukwu as a man of more than average intelligence, extraordinary versatility, high eloquence and remarkable personal charm. But there are two characteristics in that man that are not realised by many people for a long time: his greed for power and his ability to charm and enchant the masses: a demagogue.” Need I remind you that Awolowo told the Yorubas to support the Federal Government after the invasion of Neutral Mid-West after committing numerous atrocities by the biafran soldiers and hurtling down to Ore on their way to liberate (Occupy us) the Yorubas. Hear Awolowo “The Yorubas have never set out to dominate others, but have always resisted, with all the energy in them any attempt however slight or disguised, by others to dominate them.… Indeed it is for these reasons that they must now be ready to resist any attempt by the rebel forces from the East and the Mid-West to violate their territory and subjugate them.… To these ends, therefore, all Yoruba people, particularly those in the Western and Lagos States which now face the threats of invasion must not only be as vigilant as ever, but must also lose no time and spare no efforts in giving every conceivable support to the Federal troops in defence of their homeland, and of the Fatherland.”

C. C Onoh was a distinguished ibo man and Nigerian and for you to cast aspersion his person says a lot your character and may be that of your people.

You wrote “when I now say you speak from both sides of your mouth, you go begin dey vex” Kindly explain how I spoke from both sides of my mouth? I still maintain what I said of ojukwu’s character and am sure you are educated enough to understand that there is a difference between someone’s character and his opinion about a person or an issue. The main problem I have with ojukwu is him starting a war he knew his people were ill equipped to fight then running in the middle of night dressed like a woman. Any way he was not the first ibo man, Ifeajuna had 419ed his fellow Majors to execute a coup then goes for a cup of tea with the premier of the eastern region then runs into exile (bit. ach move) . When Nwobosi shot SLA he didn’t know he was a fellow Christian, when Onwutuagwu shot Brigadier Samuel Ademulegun and his pregnant wife he didn’t know he was a fellow Christian, when Nzeogwu shot Sergeant Oyewole, he didn’t know he was his fellow Christian to say a few. Kindly leave religion out of the biafran war. To me, it was a war between two Christians, Gowon and ojukwu. Listen to yourself you want the Yorubas to lay down their lives for the ibos? You seem to forget during the January perpetrated by ibo boys that they killed Yoruba people too. Is that the kind of people you want to lose sleep over? Hell No, the ibos should fix their problems themselves. The Benjamin Adekunle you all cast aspersions on, almost lost his life when he volunteered to escort ibo officers back to the eastern region. Even during the July 29, 1966 coup some northern officers who protected ibo people were almost killed. People like Katsina and Shuwa had to run into hiding. As Lt. Col Hassan Katsina put it at Aburi, “I have seen an Army mutiny in Kano and if you see me trembling you will know what a mutiny is. ………… for two good days I saw a real mutiny when a C.O. of Northern origin commanding soldiers of Northern origin had to run away.“ When your people invaded the neutral Mid-West and committed numerous atrocities including killing innocent people by fleeing biafran soldiers in the name liberation, your people didn’t understand when standing up for justice and humanity should begin; sadly this fact was the beginning of that coward rebel leader’s problem with the Yorubas.

Sometimes, it is proper to call out patented fools. It is amazing that most Nigerians are intellectually lazy and retired to peddling innuendoes. How did the poster of above crap feel when regurgitating deliberate falsehood by feel-happy bastards who wanted favor from their northern masters? Most of panhandling bastards from southern region of Nigeria have been since shamed on the issue of “Ewu Nebe Akwa”. The artist of the song was not Igbo.

What could be more conjectural than the idiocy displayed by the poster of above junk as he/she was very unable to differentiated seeds from chaffs as in the case of silly insinuation that Agaiyi appointed Mr. Trout who was Head of Special Branch (an expatriate), MD Yusuf and Isa Adejo to investigate the January 15, 1966 coup?

In fact, the best answer to market dunces is mute. I really do not blame the poster but fiddlers such as Nowa Omogui and host of other armchair historians bent on currying favor from their northern masters.

So you were banned eh?......no surprises there then.

I just knew your juvenile nature couldn't resist having the last word, even when you have nothing more to say......shows you still have some growing up to do!

You had ample time (close to a week) to seek answers (and help ) to some of the questions i asked you earlier, and this incoherent rambling, heresay, them-say-them-say, abuse, and sidestepping of the issues is what you present as your rebuttal? Dude you fall my hand walahi!

Anyway, i've moved on since my last post on this thread (maybe until i feel the need to school you again), so let's just agree to disagree shall we?

To summarize our discussion: i dislike Awo because he killed my people......you hate Ojukwu because you say he killed my people ; both of us dislike the coupists.....i dislike both '66 and '67 counter coupists for taking life, and you dislike only the '66 coupists but like the '67 ones for revenging the blood of their and your kinsmen; you hate or dislike Igbos for reasons you stated implicitly and explicitly in your posts on this thread......i don't dislike Yorubas and don't believe one should use the action/s of a few to label a whole race; you reckon Awo is infallible and long overdue for sainthood.....i reckon he was a deeply flawed man; we both agree Ikemba made mistakes. This pretty much sums up our discussion doesn't it?

Now go get a life!

Cheers.

IGBO-SON:
So you were banned eh?......no surprises there then.

I just knew your juvenile nature couldn't resist having the last word, even when you have nothing more to say......shows you still have some growing up to do!

You had ample time (close to a week) to seek answers (and help ) to some of the questions i asked you earlier, and this incoherent rambling, heresay, them-say-them-say, abuse, and sidestepping of the issues is what you present as your rebuttal? Dude you fall my hand walahi!

Anyway, i've moved on since my last post on this thread (maybe until i feel the need to school you again), so let's just agree to disagree shall we?

To summarize our discussion: i dislike Awo because he killed my people......you hate Ojukwu because you say he killed my people ; both of us dislike the coupists.....i dislike both '66 and '67 counter coupists for taking life, and you dislike only the '66 coupists but like the '67 ones for revenging the blood of their and your kinsmen; you hate or dislike Igbos for reasons you stated implicitly and explicitly in your posts on this thread......i don't dislike Yorubas and don't believe one should use the action/s of a few to label a whole race; you reckon Awo is infallible and long overdue for sainthood.....i reckon he was a deeply flawed man; we both agree Ikemba made mistakes. This pretty much sums up our discussion doesn't it?

Now go get a life!

Cheers.

I believe he was banned because of the length of the post not the content.

IGBO-SON:
So you were banned eh?......no surprises there then.

I just knew your juvenile nature couldn't resist having the last word, even when you have nothing more to say......shows you still have some growing up to do!

You had ample time (close to a week) to seek answers (and help ) to some of the questions i asked you earlier, and this incoherent rambling, heresay, them-say-them-say, abuse, and sidestepping of the issues is what you present as your rebuttal? Dude you fall my hand walahi!

Anyway, i've moved on since my last post on this thread (maybe until i feel the need to school you again), so let's just agree to disagree shall we?

To summarize our discussion: i dislike Awo because he killed my people......you hate Ojukwu because you say he killed my people ; both of us dislike the coupists.....i dislike both '66 and '67 counter coupists for taking life, and you dislike only the '66 coupists but like the '67 ones for revenging the blood of their and your kinsmen; you hate or dislike Igbos for reasons you stated implicitly and explicitly in your posts on this thread......i don't dislike Yorubas and don't believe one should use the action/s of a few to label a whole race; you reckon Awo is infallible and long overdue for sainthood.....i reckon he was a deeply flawed man; we both agree Ikemba made mistakes. This pretty much sums up our discussion doesn't it?

Now go get a life!

Cheers.

@ Igbo-son

I would not want to join issues with you, I had wasted the better part of my time trying to put issues in perspective and trying put the records straight but obviously the history we read is different from that of the ibos. I must say congratulations to chinua achebe, biafra's head of propaganda, biafran war general alias the cantankerous coward (na ibo man and im in-law call that name no be me oh) and other revisionist like you called such people in your earlier post. The propaganda was damn effective.

I cant remember the question you raised in your earlier post, besides you never provided answers to my questions but resorted to abuse and show boating but I wouldn't be provoked. We are noble people and I don't have to respond to the insults of people who wake their fathers with a kick to the groin.

You need to school me? chinua achebe and emeka ojukwu must be feeling smug in their grave right now, obviously they knew they led gullible people. I'm particularly shocked that this people fooled your grand-fathers, fathers to their deaths in a war they knew they could not win and with the undiscerning attitude you portray they will still fool your unborn children. What a pity and shame in the 21st century.

Kindly read what I wrote, their was no where I said I like the July 29, 1966 coup and the more I listen to the crap and half-truths undiscerning people post, the more I feel the July 29, 1966 was justified. The northerners committed mass murder and if not for anything they killed my people too. God bless Adekunle Fajuyi, the first Nigerian Army Officer to win the Military Cross award for an act of exemplary bravery, who laid his life for Aguiyi Ironsi . I don't dislike ibo people I have always said that, but their attitude like the one you are putting up riles me. If I had made allusions about the January 15, 1966 being an ibo coup was because of the actions and inactions of the ibo leaders. Nnamdi Azikwe definitely knew about the coup , Arinze Ifeajuna and Donatus Okafor after killing Tafawa Balewa had breakfast with Michael Okpara, Nwafor Orizu the acting president and senate president refused to hand over power Dipcharima but handed over to another ibo man (Aguiyi Ironsi) who should have been eliminated but who was not at home when the coupist came calling. And the one that infuriated the Northerners the most, Aguiyi Ironsi never punished those boys. The ibo people never complained, they were now in power and Aguiyi Ironsi allocated the juicy positions and promotions to ibo officers to the exclusion of other ethnic groups. You must agree with that the ibo leaders were culpable by theirs acts of commission and omission.

The infallibility of Awolowo? He was human anyway and I was too small to know him. All I could remember about Awolowo was the day he was being buried and it rained cats and dogs. Then I read emeka odimegwu ojukwu's book and the tears came flooding, WHAT A GREAT MAN.

On me getting a life, kindly lend me 15 billion biafran pounds, so that I can rent a life.

Best of luck.

DerideGull:



Sometimes, it is proper to call out patented fools. It is amazing that most Nigerians are intellectually lazy and retired to peddling innuendoes. How did the poster of above crap feel when regurgitating deliberate falsehood by feel-happy bastards who wanted favor from their northern masters? Most of panhandling bastards from southern region of Nigeria have been since shamed on the issue of “Ewu Nebe Akwa”. The artist of the song was not Igbo.

What could be more conjectural than the idiocy displayed by the poster of above junk as he/she was very unable to differentiated seeds from chaffs as in the case of silly insinuation that Agaiyi appointed Mr. Trout who was Head of Special Branch (an expatriate), MD Yusuf and Isa Adejo to investigate the January 15, 1966 coup?

In fact, the best answer to market dunces is mute. I really do not blame the poster but fiddlers such as Nowa Omogui and host of other armchair historians bent on currying favor from their northern masters.

I am particularly shocked that you wrote what you just did. I could guess where you are from and your upbringing. I am sure you are from the tribe of the people who eat stone without drinking water. Kindly write your own truths or the ibo recycled chinua achebe "truths". Read my post again, I did not say an ibo man recorded the song, but the song became the "ibo national anthem" after your boys had killed Ahmadu Bello, Tafawa Balewa and the four most senior northern officers.

I would not join words with you uncouth people like you, so who were those appointed to the investigate the January 15, 1966 coup? Lt. Colonel Conrad Nwawo I guess.

You malign the person of Nowa Omoigui because what he wrote is different from the propaganda emeka ojuwku and chinua achebe fed you with. Nowa Omoigui seeking favour from their northern masters? Do you have facts?

debetmx:

I am particularly shocked that you wrote what you just did. I could guess where you are from and your upbringing. I am sure you are from the tribe of the people who eat stone without drinking water. Kindly write your own truths or the ibo recycled chinua achebe "truths". Read my post again, I did not say an ibo man recorded the song, but the song became the "ibo national anthem" after your boys had killed Ahmadu Bello, Tafawa Balewa and the four most senior northern officers.

I would not join words with you uncouth people like you, so who were those appointed to the investigate the January 15, 1966 coup? Lt. Colonel Conrad Nwawo I guess.

You malign the person of Nowa Omoigui because what he wrote is different from the propaganda emeka ojuwku and chinua achebe fed you with. Nowa Omoigui seeking favour from their northern masters? Do you have facts?

I have gone through most of your silly posts and decided to allow you to wallow in idiocy-filled endeavor. You should not receive any corrective instances from me. Nairaland is just like cesspit called Nigeria where virtues give way to stupidities. What difference does it make whether I am from the ethnicity that eats dark colored “fofo” with palm oiled soup or not. The fact remains you are intellectually shallow.

Only dumbass fool who is oblivious to military parlance will propagate a crap such as Francis Fajuyi gave his life to save Aguiyi. One wonders where is Aguiyi if a person had to give his/her life to secure the one of Ironsi. In addition, coup plotters have no time to give targeted individuals the option to live or die. I guess common sense is longer common among certain airheads called Nigerians. Does simple logic ever saw a day in your miserable life?

During the night of July 29, 1966, the son of the soil in government house Ibadan did not have the command of gatemen talk less of military sentry. Even Francis Fajuyi’s ADC was kicking him like a soccer ball yet malnourished swine continued to propagate the propaganda made famous by the western regional government of Nigeria’s publication of 1967. The publishers of the junk were the same pajamas cowards who did not know the whereabouts of the Ironsi and Fajuyi two weeks after they were murdered.

Sometimes, I fail to determine the source of reasoning of certain Nigerians. Why should Igbo make “Ewu Nebe Akwu” their national song when the two cities that celebrated the January 15, 1966 coup failed to do so? I guess if the Ijo exponent of song had song in Ijo, we shall not see this nonsensical and tribally induced argument. I am not in the business of palm-reading. So go to the libraries to cull the names of those Ironsi appointed to investigated the January 15, 1966 coup.

It was a great opportunity to have met Nowa Omogui someplace in USA. I did not fail to give dues to him on the efforts of putting historical data together. By the same token, I let him eat his words where I found him irresponsibly condescending on the accounts of Nigeria/Biafra war. As for you, there is nothing for a basement lapper.

Hmmnnn..