ijebabe: Well progress is a good thing, its just a shame that certain must go for progress to take shape. The caste system is just the effect of capitalism cos in the days of Shiva every person had a dharma and were respected for it. Not everyone was born to be a Kshatriya or a Brahmin.

I enjoyed reading the Mahabharata and the Ramanayan and was questioned at home alot about it as its unchristian. I couldn't be bothered because it was all out of curiosity and interest. I don't think there is any hindu god I don't know of and I don't think there's anything wrong in that.

wow thats kool! i like the interest you show in these matters.

Ive read both and i prefer the Mahabharata. it is one of the best epics ever created in human history. I especially enjoy the part of the war.

you are right when it comes to the caste system being a product of capitalism. it is noticed that at times, entire tribes were given the same caste , due to their similar capabilities (owing to phisique, mentality,etc.)

thus it is noticed that the Brahmin caste usually went to the SAnskrit literate Aryans, the Kshatriya (warrior-caste ) went to some Aryans and Scythian and other foreign invader tribes like the PArthians ,etc. who came later than the Aryans.
The vaishya caste went to certain indigenous tribes an mixed descent people and some Aryan tribes. these form the bulk of INdian castes and are sometimes listed as lower castes.
The SHudras and other menial labour went to mostly indigenous tribes or mixed people, due to their lack of literacy or in most cases, lack of organized martial trained skills.

The tribes that refused to accept civilization and the caste system, are today known as half-citizens/adivasis. they are mostly the forest-dwelling tribes.

Yeah they had a very effective caste system back then. I remember reading that children were taken away from their parent to be educated and during the course of that it would be decided what caste the fell under. Just because both parents are Kshatriyas doesn't mean the child will end up one, although that was majorly the case. Upon completion of their education they would leave to join their caste. The down side was sometimes parents ended up not seeing or knowing their children till they were adults as they were under the tutelage of the gurus.
The Ruling family has this rule imposed on them but for the sake of the crown they made sure their children came home early.

Vaishyas travelled alot as they dealt in trading. You're right about the Shudras.

I believe Aryans is loose a description. Aren't they divided into 2? The Suryas and and the Chandras which make up the Aryan nation? I'm still wrapping my head around this part. Presently all hindus in India are seen as Aryans. I didn't know the forest dwelling tribes where called half-citizens, sad.

ijebabe: Yeah they had a very effective caste system back then. I remember reading that children were taken away from their parent to be educated and during the course of that it would be decided what caste the fell under. Just because both parents are Kshatriyas doesn't mean the child will end up one, although that was majorly the case. Upon completion of their education they would leave to join their caste. The down side was sometimes parents ended up not seeing or knowing their children till they were adults as they were under the tutelage of the gurus.
The Ruling family has this rule imposed on them but for the sake of the crown they made sure their children came home early.

Vaishyas travelled alot as they dealt in trading. You're right about the Shudras.

I believe Aryans is loose a description. Aren't they divided into 2? The Suryas and and the Chandras which make up the Aryan nation? I'm still wrapping my head around this part. Presently all hindus in India are seen as Aryans. I didn't know the forest dwelling tribes where called half-citizens, sad.

yes that was the case in the Early Vedic Age, but in the Later Vedic Age, the caste system became hereditary. Certain tribes like the Jats, Gujjars, Bunt/Nairs, Yadavs, etc., took up 1 caste for their entire tribe.

Yes Aryans are divided into 2 lineages, that of the Moon and the Sun. (Kshatriyas only) and ofcourse the Brahmins, who do not fall under either.
Today descendants of the pure Aryans are the Rajputs , the Kashmiri BRahmins, and other Brahminical group, etc.

the Scythian barbarian descendants subscribe to the Lineage of the Serpent (which is totemic and not a Celestial body).

no not all Indians are Aryans. today i would put 50-60 % as those of mixed descent.

yes the Vaishyas travelled a lot.for example, Most of the Tamil tribes are Vaishyas and they spread Hinduism to Indonesia, MAlaysia, Camobodia, the Phillipines and the rest of the Malay Arcipelago.

The situation of the forest dwelling tribes is not sad. Infact i think it is a very good situation. The Adivasi Tribes keep to themselves and they and the city dwellers staty away from each other in general. as a result, they have escaped the deteriorating caste system and have maintained their indigenous , religions , customs and self-dependence. They generally were also known to raid travellers travelling through the dense jungles of India.

Their condition deteriorated after the advent of british rule, when many were forced to settle on small plots of land or they were evicted from their forests,etc. The british listed most of these tribes as Criminal Tribes, under the Criminal Tribal Act (1871). today the act still continues but is known as the HAbitual Offenders Act. of the 313 original Criminal Nomadic Tribes, 198 have been denotified and removed of the list by the government of India.

I said Hindus in India are seen as Aryans not India as a whole

Thanks for taking the time to explain it to me, you obviously know their traditions well! I am into mythology and that's how it led me to RMN and MBH

ijebabe: I said Hindus in India are seen as Aryans not India as a whole

Thanks for taking the time to explain it to me, you obviously know their traditions well! I am into mythology and that's how it led me to RMN and MBH

yes exactly, not only Hindus are Aryans. there are some Scythians , some Parthians , some Afro-Asiatics, etc.

No problem. you are welcome. i like to learn about different Cultures and traditions.

PAGAN 9JA:


yes exactly, not only Hindus are Aryans. there are some Scythians , some Parthians , some Afro-Asiatics, etc.

No problem. you are welcome. i like to learn about different Cultures and traditions.

It seems you are lettered in historical facts and cultures of different races of the world! I will like you to share your knowledge on the traditions of the 'Vikings' their origin (many believed they originated from Denmark while another school of thoughts believed they came from Norway)! I will like you to expatiate on the subject, thanks!

tomakint:
It seems you are lettered in historical facts and cultures of different races of the world! I will like you to share your knowledge on the traditions of the 'Vikings' their origin (many believed they originated from Denmark while another school of thoughts believed they came from Norway)! I will like you to expatiate on the subject, thanks!

I willl. dont worry.

AM from obosi 2 we don't worship the snake,but we respect them,the snake does not bit.

Dpros:
AM from obosi 2 we don't worship the snake,but we respect them,the snake does not bit.

Yeah, I have to believe to you because when animals are shown some love without any hostilities, they tend to reciprocate by being calm and friendly towards their hosts.

Dpros:
AM from obosi 2 we don't worship the snake,but we respect them,the snake does not bit.

Yeah.. Its a taboo to kill the scared phython of Idemil- called Eke Idemili..
The reverence of sacred animals is Totemism, and Totemism is universal spiritual concept that I think is tied to the universal law of transmigration of souls.

This sacred animals, as in the case of the phyton, must be an evolutive elemental, that may have been highly revered Gods in past mahamanvantaras.

Such an interesting concept i would like to investigate and explore internally.

ifyalways:
^no bi small thing. A whole Odenigbo

@topic, I've slept with a "python pillow" when I was 11 @ otolo Nnewi. On waking and because of an early oreintation and information by my aunt who was my host, I calmly walked to the kitchen, got some salt and sprinkled from my bed to the door. The Python quietly crawled out.

You slept with it like throughoutttt the night? Wow.

You get mind.

ifyalways:
Python pillow simply means I slept on a python thinking it was pillow.

As for your other question, perhaps you should ask any Nnewi guy around you if they use salt to "remove" python from their homes.

@Ify your submissions here was a real mystery. I mean how would a head rest on a ball python and not suffocate that python.

I’m from a popular town in Idemili

Now let me share a short story told to me by my dad which happened to him in his childhood in the 70s

When my dad was about 15 years old in the village. It was very dark on one cold night. It rained heavily and my dad drifted off to sleep. In the midnight he woke up to drink water and then went back to sleep but this time he rested his head on what seemed to be a pillow. He wondered why the pillow seemed so different than the usual pillows in the house. He had a very sound sleep though.

Around 7AM when the day was brighter and as he woke up to prepare to go to school, he saw the beautiful pillow that gave him comfort all night. A very fat and thick python, culled up in the corner.

The funny thing was that it didn’t harm him all through the night that he slept on it. My dad called his own mom and showed her and narrated the ordeal to her. She smiled and said to him in Igbo. “i bu ezigbo nwafor Idemili”

“You are a true son of Idemili”


Another occurrence was when my dads younger brother saw a python hanging from the ceiling in the kitchen and wanted to chase it a way and their mom told him not to that it would go away on its own.

Hmmm.... just two days ago some lady here in the US had like 12 pet snakes..... guess neighbors didn't see her show as usual... called the Police. Guess she didn't feed her python first or on time.... he killed her.
You say snake .....I think cutlass.

WHY DO YOU HAVE A SPIRITUAL HUSBAND OR WIFE :the truth none has told you

Some people while in a prayer houses will be informed they are been disturbed by a spiritual wife or husband. Haven heard about it, he and the pastor would rush into conclusion calling it an evil spirit. Next is to start abracadabra prayers, casting and loosing to no avail – otu abụghị n’ezi. The pastor will be blowing the microphone making noise like a lunatic, the congregation belief deliverance is taken place: to no avail _ otu abụghị n’ezi.
Kill her, the pastor said.
Let her die and leave.
I asked, how possible? Is it possible I ask?
Can you kill a spirit?
Have you heard or seen where one killed a spirit if not in the church where they kill spirit with mouth and microphone, yet things remains same and sometimes get worse yet?
Now listen, let me teach you wisdom: saying the truth because truth is life _ eziokwu bụ ndụ. This is why it set the captive free. The moment you know the truth. The truth you know must surely set you free.
As a human being, use event as seen in the land of the living to judge event as seen in the spiritual realm.
Sometimes, as it’s here on earth, so it’s in the realm of spirit
As its in the spiritual realms so it’s in the physical plane.
Take for example you see a woman and engaged to her as a young man.
After some while, both of you happen to marry happily. Marriage you must remember comes upon an agreement between two opposite parties. Now, after a while, you travel to another space for a mission, another destination where you now find comfort. If you forget calling to say hi to the wife, how will she feel?
Answer!
What if you are not calling or have lost contact, passion for her and she kept looking after you?
Haven gotten to reach out to you, you pretend not knowing her and denied haven nothing to do with her.
No matter what she does, you kept pushing her away and ignore all signs and signals. What do you expect the woman to do?
Would you not do anything mad if you were in her shoes?
Of course you will!
If you can as a legitimate wife, you are not against the law if you must suffer him anyhow without wasting his life.

This is what happens between those who got married to mariners before earthly visit. Stop been fooled by Christians and their ignorant teachings.
They are spiritual ignorant. All of them whom you call man of God are ofeke in spiritual matters. They are ignorant about spiritual affairs. They are pretenders and deceivers. The reason you must be careful about their false teachings.
They only shout and make noise like lunatic. They only know how to make noise not knowing that our spiritual engagement asked for quietness, peace of mind and solitude. The very moment they should spent with wisdom are given for selfishness. The reason wisdom is far seen from them. They lack truth. They know nothing about spirituality and wisdom.
Pastors are ofeke (fools) when it comes to spiritual matters. They know absolute nothing as e dey happen in the realm of spirits. They know nothing but go on deceiving people. They must pay the prize at the end of it all. It’s written, you shall reap what you sowed. That’s to say, you shall reap deception as a deceiver.
For crying out loud, this people are not deceiving animals. They are deceiving human being.
The image of the gods.
Turning black what nature has made to be white for their selfish interests.
Causing disunity, hatred, disaster between nature and mankind, bridging the gap between spirits and mankind.
Why people suffer today!
They must reap what they sowed at the end of it all.
Wisdom shall judge them!
So what is the remedy?
this is what a spiritualist will help you do. He/she will first engage you on a spiritual consultation to know if truly you are a mariner perhaps the cause of your problems and encounter. Because it’s not necessarily mariners who encounter spiritual wives. A witch can as well manifest herself as a spiritual wife to cause ruin to someone’s life.
Nevertheless, If you are and it happens that you are suffering as a result of spiritual wife/husband, the spiritualist shall consult further, knowing what must be done.
It’s then the wife/husband will have to name his or her prize owing to your position, agreement and periodic in the marine. Hence all mariners doesn’t share same position and agreement are differently. Upon this information, he get to inform you about what to be done. No matter what, it must involve a sacrifice!
We call it marine ritual settlement – ịkwa ibu mmiri nye ndị ọgbọ na uke.
During this sacrifices you have to accept him or her back.
We call it ‘ịkwa ibu udo na abụghị ibu nkewa’ a sacrifice for peace not separation.
When properly done, he/she will assist you in all aspects of life been in union. That’s the reason for sect (i di n’otu ndị mmiri).
Odogwuakataaka: That’s to say if he is good to go. Should he/she is wicked, so jealous. We e plead him or her to accept some things which he refused. If he do, good.
If not, we can then upon ọfọ na ogu talk about separation.
This you must know asked for wisdom hence his/her stubbornness might be as a result of her workforce, duty, services to deliver.
Do you know that these mariners (marine husband and wife’s) are destiny helpers? The very reason they are sometimes filled with jealous and must be treated with caution otherwise one’s life and destiny are placed on danger zone at the cost of services in the name of deliverance. Many are suffering this today!
Know whom you run to at the cost of spiritual matters.

: A spirit such as marine wife/husband might proof stubborn owing to agreement reached before your earthly coming. When we come across such like spirit person’s, we plead with him /her to allow you enjoy your earthly life as you wish. Remember, all these are done upon agreement, I as a priest stand to negotiate this as a third party upon ritual sacrifices. It’s not a thing we do by force as seen in the churches. Shouting with a microphone to draw attention of the people, proving how much we can speak in tongues and grammars. It’s never done that way for your safety, success, happiness and longevity.
Because it’s not all about today but tomorrow: the case must be handled with care.
This is the very reason igbo adage says ‘oké dibịa gbaa àjà, ọ dịka ewere nyee ndị mmụọ n’aka’ when a great/experienced priest performed ritual exercise, it looks like the items was given hand to hand to the spirits.
The result remains positive, settling all matters and causing light on one’s path.

If you must work on spiritual ignorance to disintegrate what shouldn’t be disintegrated, the subject (human) must suffer the penalty.
One true information people lack in spiritual matters remains the fact that spirits are not at lost (loosing end) in any matter as it involve humanity. The reason you must be careful and stop playing with your spiritual life.
Haven known these, I have to state it finally that spiritual husband and wife are not evil.
If they are, that’s to say you are evil also hence you are a mariner. If you are not a mariner, you can’t get married to a mariner as a wife or husband. The difference between you and him /her is only that you had the opportunity to exist on earth as a human being after pre-existence as a mariner in waters.
The lineage continues as you bear forth children on earth: especially, a case whereby you are a mariner and your earthly husband/wife is also a mariner, all your earthly children shall be mariners.
It’s divine
It’s a nature mandate!
It’s written and can’t be changed.
You can’t change what nature has caused to be neither will you condemn it.
Who are you to judge?
Do you judge upon wisdom or ignorant?
Who are you to condemned what nature has made to be?
How many years do you have to exist here on earth?
How many years do you think these matter have lasted, involving billions of people born and yet to be born?
Is it why you are here?
All these are meant for pastors to answer.
People who dwelt on ignorant, causing ruin to people’s life and destiny.
Sending people to early graves and are happy doing that hence it put food on their table.
Judgement await us all!
Ife onye metere, o weere isi ya buru (evil men do, leave with them and after them).
Wise man think and talk about tomorrow, a fool (ofeke) talk about today.
Today has only but 24hours in it, tomorrow is indefinite.
Don’t be deceived!
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Hmmm.... just two days ago some lady here in the US had like 12 pet snakes..... guess neighbors didn't see her show as usual... called the Police. Guess she didn't feed her python first or on time.... he killed her.
You say snake .....I think cutlass.

In the true sense of it any animals you domesticate automatically becomes a pet

Please I need to reference this in my project can I get your details or where you got your source from