Uyi Iredia:

Ode ! Where does the Bible state that science started in Eden ?

When Eve acquired knowledge and made "clothes" for herself without the help of god nor his angels, that is the beginning of science. Satan is great.

Ubenedictus: d thread reads y religious pipo fight science, it almost makes it sound like challenging science is a disservice to science. Sorry i thought u embraced dat view.

You make sound like the pope putting galileo in prison was a service to science.

Ubenedictus: d thread reads y religious pipo fight science, it almost makes it sound like challenging science is a disservice to science. Sorry i thought u embraced dat view.

The Catholic Church vs Galileo is an example.

Kay 17:

The Catholic Church vs Galileo is an example.

What do you really know about Galileo and the Catholic Church? It seems thats what everyone jump on Galileo case without even knowing the full story.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HMMI1gVwTjw

advocate666:

You make sound like the pope putting galileo in prison was a service to science.

actually d pope wasn't in charge of galileo's trial so it is false to say d pope put galileo in prison.

advocate666:

You make sound like the pope putting galileo in prison was a service to science.

actually d pope wasn't in charge of galileo's trial so it is false to say d pope put galileo in prison. And yeah it put some icing on d cake, after galileo another person/s with better instruments did d proving. Probably if galileo wasnt challenged his findings would have remain hypothesis 4 a long time.

Kay 17:

The Catholic Church vs Galileo is an example.

dis is like saying GEJ vs president of nigeria. Galileo was a catholic, it would sound like a joke wen u claim religion vs science and u are bringing a case where both parties were religious!

Ubenedictus: actually d pope wasn't in charge of galileo's trial so it is false to say d pope put galileo in prison. And yeah it put some icing on d cake, after galileo another person/s with better instruments did d proving. Probably if galileo wasnt challenged his findings would have remain hypothesis 4 a long time.

This one pass apology. This one na grovelling for the church of the white master.

Ubenedictus: dis is like saying GEJ vs president of nigeria. Galileo was a catholic, it would sound like a joke wen u claim religion vs science and u are bringing a case where both parties were religious!

The Catholic Church is a person, at least a corporate entity capable of its own decisions and doctrines. The fact that Galileo was a Catholic doesn't mean he is the Catholic Church.

The conflict btw Galileo vs Catholic Church is same with Science vs Authority/Dogma.

Christianity has found its "truth", Science is still searching both have different methods and assumptions, therefore it is not unexpected for both to conflict.

advocate666:

This one pass apology. This one na grovelling for the church of the white master.

ya are entitled to ya opinion

Kay 17:

The Catholic Church is a person, at least a corporate entity capable of its own decisions and doctrines. The fact that Galileo was a Catholic doesn't mean he is the Catholic Church.

The conflict btw Galileo vs Catholic Church is same with Science vs Authority/Dogma.

Christianity has found its "truth", Science is still searching both have different methods and assumptions, therefore it is not unexpected for both to conflict.

d trial of galileo was more sciency than dogmatic, galileo and other scientist had an arguement and d oda guys brought d bible as proof, galileo used a quote from augustine and said scriptures shuldn't be taken literally. Unfortunately at that point both scientist had left science and were discussing religion, galileo had supporter in d church, d pope and d jesuits! He insulted d jesuits over a different arguement so it remained the pope. Since galileo's arguement had become religious he went to rome to make his case, and he was told that unless d literal sense is problematic it would be manipulative to stray from it, he was asked to produce substantial proof that d earth was round and dat it moved around d sun, he couldn't, his opponent had a better arguement, if d earth moved dere shuld be a steller parallax in d stars, none had yet been observe, since galileo couldnt prove dat d literal sense was problematic it followed that d literal sense of upheld. And all xtian scientist were told to take d round moving earth as nothing more than an hypothesis until substantial proof appears. And galileo was silient 4 some time.
Galileo's friend became pope urban and urban gave galileo a way to beat d law, d was told to write on both positions and in d case to make his arguement known, unfortunately galileo insulted urban in d book and urban removed his protective hands. I think everybody knows d story from there.
So my point is nothing was exactly dogmatic abt galileo's trial, all he had to do was provide substantial proof for his hypothesis. Bringing his arguements into scripture meant it was no longer science, it was now religion and he was judged accdingly.

Pope Urban?! That should be a mistake.

How are proofs and supports from the Bible scientific?

Why is the Church a forum/court for scientific decisions?

advocate666:

When Eve acquired knowledge and made "clothes" for herself without the help of god nor his angels, that is the beginning of science. Satan is great.

Making clothes is not science. At best it's a rudimentary form of technology.

Kay 17: Pope Urban?! That should be a mistake.

How are proofs and supports from the Bible scientific?

Why is the Church a forum/court for scientific decisions?

becos d scientists stops discussing their scientific proofs and started to argue bible, literal vs symbolic. That is why d church became judge!

Uyi Iredia:

Making clothes is not science. At best it's a rudimentary form of technology.

When you define science, you will see that sewing leaves together to make clothes is highly scientific albeit rudimentary.

Ubenedictus: becos d scientists stops discussing their scientific proofs and started to argue bible, literal vs symbolic. That is why d church became judge!

So the Church dished out judgement in favour of the prevalent views at that time?

advocate666:

Stop this nonsense. Islam didn't give us shyte except more hatred and intolerance. Many nations and tribes practiced their own method of all the examples you mentionned, long before mohamed and his 6 year old bride were born.

Yet your grandparents were discovered without clothes on them just yesterday. Shameless iidiot.

advocate666:

When you define science, you will see that sewing leaves together to make clothes is highly scientific albeit rudimentary.

Keep on deceiving yourself.

Uyi Iredia:

Keep on deceiving yourself.

How?

aurenflani:

Yet your grandparents were discovered without clothes on them just yesterday. Shameless iidiot.

What does that tell you about god?

Kay 17:

So the Church dished out judgement in favour of the prevalent views at that time?

not exactly, galileo pleaded for d symbolic reading of those passage and he was asked to provide a substantial prove for his theory, there is an old theological saying that says d literal shuldnt b discarded if it makes sense. Galileo was asked to prove that the literal reading may nt make sense, he couldn't and the church had to rule for d literal cos there is no substantial prove against it!!
The judgement wasn't simply for the prevailent views, it was d inability of d theorist to prove the literal wrong. And d ability of other scientist to disprove galileo. In biblical exegesis, wen d literal makes sense, it is retained.

To show how badly told your story is, you can't reconcile the role of the church in scientific discussions, you can't explain why bible explanations are caught in scientifc webs?!

Ubenedictus, you are dishonest and you know it.


How can you even start to defend the catholic church against Galileo?


You went to read the answer from the biased site called "catholic answers".


Galileo was under house arrest for the rest of his life due to his theory on astronomy.



What gives the catholic church the right to do such? When did they become the judge on science?

advocate666:

How?

Could you state the definition of science that makes sewing fig leaves as cloth scientific.

Uyi Iredia:

Could you state the definition of science that makes sewing fig leaves as cloth scientific.

Could you state the definition of science that makes sewing fig leaves as cloth unscientific?

Kay 17: To show how badly told your story is, you can't reconcile the role of the church in scientific discussions, you can't explain why bible explanations are caught in scientifc webs?!

ur problem is that you lack undastanding! Galileo and his co scientist stopped argueing science and entered scriptures and that simply means they invited d church

Logicboy03: Ubenedictus, you are dishonest and you know it.


How can you even start to defend the catholic church against Galileo?


You went to read the answer from the biased site called "catholic answers".


Galileo was under house arrest for the rest of his life due to his theory on astronomy.



What gives the catholic church the right to do such? When did they become the judge on science?

the church at least did have a right at scripture arguement! And my answers aren't from catholic answas

Ubenedictus: the church at least did have a right at scripture arguement! And my answers aren't from catholic answas

Just shut up.



You disgust me with your dishonesty.

Ubenedictus: ur problem is that you lack undastanding! Galileo and his co scientist stopped argueing science and entered scriptures and that simply means they invited d church

Ok, you are saying its a religious argument before the Church, right? Where does proving the Sun's position come in?

Logicboy03:





Just shut up.



You disgust me with your dishonesty.

u are d dishonest one!! U dont know and u dont want to know, sumone once gave that statement as d definition of a f**l, d church did have a right to abitrate in matter pertaining to scripture!

Kay 17:

Ok, you are saying its a religious argument before the Church, right? Where does proving the Sun's position come in?

proving d earth moves came in when galileo said the literal meaning shuldnt be used! U have to prove that the literal is senseless before u can advocate that is shuld b done away with. Inability to prove d literal sense isn't the right sense means d judgement wont go ur way!

@ube

Ur quote:

d trial of galileo was more sciency than dogmatic, galileo and other scientist had an arguement and d oda guys brought d bible as proof, galileo used a quote from augustine and said scriptures shuldn't be taken literally.

It follows that Church interpretation of the Bible at that time was contrary to Galileo's scientific views, and its evident that it was Bible verses that stood in the way of Galileo's progressive views. What punitive measures taken by the Church against Galileo are the Church's decisions and they take responsibility for it.