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| Was Jesus The Prophesied Messiah? Let's Look At The Evidence. by therationa(m): 3:48pm On Feb 16, 2008 |
It is universally believed amongst Christians that Jesus fulfilled the Old Testament (OT) prophesies of a Messiah, variously prophesied in the OT. Now, let us examine what the OT said about the qualities and attributes of the Messiah and see if these are fulfilled in the person of Jesus. Before we look at the specific evidence, I would like you to bear in mind the question - Was the Messiah prophesied to also be a God? Now, let us look at the evidence of Messiah prophesies in the OT. There may indeed be more (or less; or I may have wrongly attributed these as prophesies of the Messiah. That is up to you to decide); What is the messiah supposed to accomplish? 1) Build or assist in the building of the third Temple. (Ezekiel 37: 26-28, Is 2:2, Zech 14: 16-21) 2) Gather all Jews to the Land of Israel (Is 43:5-6) In addition all Jews will know the Torah without study (Jer 31:33) 3) Usher in an era of world peace, and end all hatred, oppression, suffering and diseases (Is 2:4, Is 25:8 ) 4) Bring down the tyrants (Is 11:2-4) (Jesus was never even a threat to their power or position) 5) Spread universal knowledge of the God of Israel, which will unite humanity as one (Zech 14:9, Zeph 3:9) 6) Bring back the hearts of the fathers to the children (Mal 3:24) 7) Take the barren land and make it fruitful (Is 51:3, Amos 9: 13-15, Ez 36:29-30, Is 11:6-9) Above list taken from Truth - Truth Can set You Free, Clarence Williams, Pages 92 - 93. http://www.sometimestruthhurts.com/ Did Jesus fulfilled ALL, SOME or NONE of these prophesies? There are NO prophesies of Jesus's 2nd coming in the OT. The 2nd coming is a NT idea. So were all the OT prophesies about the Messiah fulfilled in the person of Jesus in his 1st coming? Moreover, did any of the OT prophesies claim that the Messiah was going to be GOD ? The Messiah was to come from the House of David through a paternal lineage, as was the custom of heredity in Israel. Was this also fulfilled? If this was fulfilled, what then is the point of a virgin birth? ===================================================================================================== Some of my other threads The Dangers Of Religious Fundamentalism To Intellectualism https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria?topic=110955.msg1929006#msg1929006 Was Jesus The Prophesied Messiah? 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| Re: Was Jesus The Prophesied Messiah? Let's Look At The Evidence. by therationa(m): 7:33pm On Feb 16, 2008 |
Anyone looked at this one yet? |
| Re: Was Jesus The Prophesied Messiah? Let's Look At The Evidence. by stimulus(m): 8:27pm On Feb 16, 2008 |
@therationa, therationa: Well, while answers are being offered at the others which you floated, one wonders if you have carefully looked at them and offered sound counter-argumnents to sustain your premises. Have you done so? Care to begin to do so in all of your previous threads?  therationa: How many of such threads have you debated issues on a serious note? therationa: Thanks for leaving us the link - and no, I won't be brash to allege "plagiarism" here!  Anyhow, the list you re-posted to form "your" thread does not say anything about your own reasoning. Nonetheless, Clarence Williams may need to edit his fallacies for a seasoned debate if he hopes to sustain his arguments. For example, this: therationa: Malachi (abbreviated as 'Mal') has only 18 verses to chapter 3, and not 24! As I do not want to be forward, could you kindly get in touch and enquire what he meant? therationa: Jeremiah 31:33 does not teach that all Jews will "know the Torah without study". Infact, here is what it says: [list]But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.[/list] Certainly, the next verse (34) says that no one would need to be taught to know the LORD, for they all shall know Him. This again does not mean that they would "know the Torah without study", for it is one thing to know the Torah and quite another thing to know the LORD! One may have knowledge of the Torah and yet be spiritually bankrupt in knowing the LORD - did Clarence Williams understand that at all? When you feel in good spirits to debate or discuss these issues, I have my answers waiting. Cheers.  |
| Re: Was Jesus The Prophesied Messiah? Let's Look At The Evidence. by therationa(m): 8:36pm On Feb 16, 2008 |
Stimulus, 4HIM and Imhotep you are welcome NOT to post any replies to my posts. You may post but do NOT expect a direct response from me. You guys are just simply childish and dishonest. |
| Re: Was Jesus The Prophesied Messiah? Let's Look At The Evidence. by 4Him(m): 8:41pm On Feb 16, 2008 |
therationa: considering the fact that we are the only ones bothering with ur silly "questions" . . . u're free to ask the air from now on. I notice that u're not really interested in answers . . . i notice that what you were anticipatiing was a bunch of incoherent answers so you could gloat about the contradictions in the bible. I notice that each time ur "questions" were thoroughly dismantled you simply disappeared to open another irrelevant thread. I notice that u have singled out those who have exposed ur "questions" for simply being at best ignorance and at worst a bad case of dishonesty. I notice that you NEVER respond to answers u purport to seek. hmmmm childish and dishonest . . . for a moment i thot u were describing ur general attitude on this forum. |
| Re: Was Jesus The Prophesied Messiah? Let's Look At The Evidence. by stimulus(m): 8:42pm On Feb 16, 2008 |
therationa: Same response as from the other thread: (https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-113033.0.html#msg1963907) Enjoy! - - - - @therationa, therationa: I knew it wouldn't take long before you begged us not to reply to your posts. This says volumes about your pretended scholarship. Well done! therationa: I've never expected any sane response from you, let alone a "direct" response. You can cry hooha now because a plagiarist is always left without materials to plagiarize as answers for his drivels. therationa: Haha! We were being childish and dishonest - for providing honest and mature answers? Please therationa, go home and weep! Such begging and mewling are below your age!  |
| Re: Was Jesus The Prophesied Messiah? Let's Look At The Evidence. by stimulus(m): 8:44pm On Feb 16, 2008 |
@4Him, 4Him: Abeg no kill me with laughter! This chap is a comic relief! |
| Re: Was Jesus The Prophesied Messiah? Let's Look At The Evidence. by samyyoung1(m): 8:52pm On Feb 16, 2008 |
Haaaaaaaaw, time to get some sleep,  |
| Re: Was Jesus The Prophesied Messiah? Let's Look At The Evidence. by huxley(m): 2:48pm On Oct 20, 2008 |
No better time than now to re-examine the OT prophecies of Jesus again. |
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