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Re: Should Prisoners Be Allowed To Vote? by Tolexander: 9:27pm On Dec 18, 2012 |
Nigerian prisoners are just the unlucky and unfortunate masses that ended up being in prison due to the small crime committed when compared to the lucky politicians. Goverment rules and authority binds on every citizens within the country including the prisoners. Hence i see no reasons why they need not being recognised and considered in a country's voting system. Our goverment is responsible for the provision of social amenities like pipe borne water, electricity, the inmates' house building and renovation and payment of the prison warder's salary. All these are enough not to disenfranchise the prisoners because they need to participate in things that will affect them. |
Re: Should Prisoners Be Allowed To Vote? by Nobody: 9:28pm On Dec 18, 2012 |
Roland17: And you feel inhibiting prisoners from making a choice on who represents them would serve as a good deterant, if the prisons are supposed to rehabilitate like we believe, shouldn't prisoners be encouraged to carry out a simple civic duty of voting, so that when they get back into the society they do not develop political Apathy? and can easily blend into the society without feeling left out? No. They are supposed to lose privileges and freedom in hopes of deterring them and others from committed crime (again). What does incarcerating a prisoner and giving them the same rights as non-criminals do? We might as well give them soft mattresses, bigger rooms, better food, etc., so that they can adapt to life outside again. They don't deserve any rights while imprisoned. When they serve, and succeed during a probationary period, then they can earn it back. There are cases of people who serve lengthy terms and are innocent. I'm sure it's common in Nigeria, but it's a rarity over here. If that's your worry, then the topic shouldn't be about allowing prisoners to vote, but allowing convicted suspects fair trials, starting from police who may be falsifying reports to persecutors and defense lawyers who are using botched evidence or none at all, and to judges who throw people in jail for the sake of it. |
Re: Should Prisoners Be Allowed To Vote? by GooseBaba: 9:31pm On Dec 18, 2012 |
ogugua88: What has ones criminal record got to do with his/her civic duties..The origin of this laws should be questioned..I don't have a right to commit a crime but I have a right to vote, where is the correlation of this madness. |
Re: Should Prisoners Be Allowed To Vote? by Roland17(m): 9:36pm On Dec 18, 2012 |
ogugua88: So because they are prisoners they have become animals without rights? are u kidding me? so are the prisons meant to be hell or are they meant to keep prisoners locked up forever, since they would never cope when they come out, or the prisons meant to reform people. Take for instance issues regarding Prison reform, who is a better situation to talk about the prisons than the inmates themselves? 1 Like |
Re: Should Prisoners Be Allowed To Vote? by Tolexander: 9:40pm On Dec 18, 2012 |
ebamma 3: Should mad men be allowed to use the internet?ur question and the topic are two parallel lines. i.e ur question doesn't correlate with the topic! |
Re: Should Prisoners Be Allowed To Vote? by Nobody: 9:40pm On Dec 18, 2012 |
We are mixing things up here. The law is “a convict/ex-convict cannot vote and be voted for. So it‘s not just the case of prisoners. But my take on this is that they should not vote and be voted for whether in prison or out of prison. |
Re: Should Prisoners Be Allowed To Vote? by Nobody: 9:42pm On Dec 18, 2012 |
GooseBaba: What has ones criminal record got to do with his/her civic duties..The origin of this laws should be questioned..I don't have a right to commit a crime but I have a right to vote, where is the correlation of this madness. When you commit a crime, you lose your rights. It's not rocket science and there's nothing mad about it. I gave the analogy of a child misbehaving and losing privileges. That's exactly what it is. One can't be a criminal and have the same privileges as me. If I'm good, I can vote. If I'm bad, I can still vote? No. If that's the case, then the incentive to do good has been diminished. 1 Like |
Re: Should Prisoners Be Allowed To Vote? by Roland17(m): 9:43pm On Dec 18, 2012 |
Out there in our society there are millions of politicians who are known criminals, known to have embezzled tax payers moneys, Hoodlums still roam the streets, we know most of these people, but come election time, they are allowed to vote and be voted for, prisoners voting barely bites crumbs out of the national cake of any nation. It would instill in them a sense of belonging, performing a simple civic duty on core issue that affect them would help reform them better. |
Re: Should Prisoners Be Allowed To Vote? by Freiburger(m): 9:44pm On Dec 18, 2012 |
Roland17:On point, imagine a homesexual/lesbian being jailed for his/her practices, he/she she is not allowed to express his/her opinion against the rules. How rediculous |
Re: Should Prisoners Be Allowed To Vote? by Roland17(m): 9:48pm On Dec 18, 2012 |
ogugua88: DOES THAT MEAN ALL THE RIGHTS OF THE CHILD ARE TAKEN AWAY COS HE MISBEHAVED, DOES THAT MEAN THE CHILD IS STARVED TO DEATH FOR MISBEHAVING, DOES THAT MEAN THE CHILD'S OPINION WOULD NEVER MATTER IN THE POLITICS OF THE FAMILY FOREVER COS HE MISBEHAVED? |
Re: Should Prisoners Be Allowed To Vote? by Nobody: 9:51pm On Dec 18, 2012 |
Roland17: DOES THAT MEAN ALL THE RIGHTS OF THE CHILD ARE TAKEN AWAY COS HE MISBEHAVED, DOES THAT MEAN THE CHILD IS STARVED TO DEATH FOR MISBEHAVING, DOES THAT MEAN THE CHILD'S OPINION WOULD NEVER MATTER IN THE POLITICS OF THE FAMILY FOREVER COS HE MISBEHAVED? Are you equating not voting with starving to death? The child serves their punishment before he or she can play again. That's the same way I said prisoners should serve their terms and probation periods before being allowed to vote again. |
Re: Should Prisoners Be Allowed To Vote? by Nobody: 9:52pm On Dec 18, 2012 |
I would have prefered a situation where they can vote when they are out of prison but the thing here is this; this franchise of a thing is a two way thing that goes together. Vote and be voted for. So if we advocate for them to vote, can we advocate for them to be voted for? I guess not. Why? Because they are not role models. 1 Like |
Re: Should Prisoners Be Allowed To Vote? by GooseBaba: 9:54pm On Dec 18, 2012 |
ogugua88: They already lost their freedom, caged like an animal, told when to eat, sleep or play. These are grown folks being treated like small pikin, it's not like am I want them to be given prison pass to attend their children birthday and what not. We are talking about civic duties And you feel thier right to civic duties should be fair game.. Am sorry I don't see how this correlates at all.. |
Re: Should Prisoners Be Allowed To Vote? by Freiburger(m): 9:54pm On Dec 18, 2012 |
ogugua88:During that serving time, why should the prisoner be deprived of his/her right of expessing his views? Which law on this planet is perfect? |
Re: Should Prisoners Be Allowed To Vote? by Roland17(m): 9:55pm On Dec 18, 2012 |
ogugua88: aren't they both a form of deprivation? Thus punishments depends on how long? and not what it achieves or destroys in the offender? |
Re: Should Prisoners Be Allowed To Vote? by Nobody: 9:57pm On Dec 18, 2012 |
You guys can't be serious lol. Are you truly sympathizing for criminals? There are bigger fish to fry than advocating for people who made conscious decisions to violate the law to have the same basic freedoms as people who do well. Like Roland17 said, looting politicians are in office and have every right to vote. Tackle that problem rather than worrying about the voting rights of thieves and molesters. |
Re: Should Prisoners Be Allowed To Vote? by Nobody: 10:02pm On Dec 18, 2012 |
It‘s a good thing we are debating on this issue because I don‘t think it has been debated in this country before whether in the senate or in the market place. Now we have to sit together as a nation and analyze it. Another thing is that we copied most of our constitution from America so we are practically living by their rules. |
Re: Should Prisoners Be Allowed To Vote? by Roland17(m): 10:04pm On Dec 18, 2012 |
ogugua88: You guys can't be serious lol. Are you truly sympathizing for criminals? There are bigger fish to fry than advocating for people who made conscious decisions to violate the law to have the same basic freedoms as people who do well. Like Roland17 said, looting politicians are in office and have every right to vote. Tackle that problem rather than worrying about the voting rights of thieves and molesters. First of all NOT all prisoners consciously committed crimes they are being jailed for, some were unconsciously involved, some indirectly, some were victims of Miscarriage of justice, last week on BET a case of an African American who was wrongfully accused of raping a white girl aired, the truth only came out decades after, but he's dead. these issues are big fishes, We can't keep running away from these issues, they are issues that affect us, when they come out and can not be involved in the society anymore, then what use was the prison term? |
Re: Should Prisoners Be Allowed To Vote? by GooseBaba: 10:05pm On Dec 18, 2012 |
Roland17: This law in general was set up to purnish the American minorities. A white dude is caught with 3 grams of coke he gets probation, a black dude get caught with the same thing he gets time behind bars.. Hence he loses his right to vote... |
Re: Should Prisoners Be Allowed To Vote? by Nobody: 10:05pm On Dec 18, 2012 |
Roland17: First of all NOT all prisoners consciously committed crimes they are being jailed for, some were unconsciously involved, some indirectly, some were victims of Miscarriage of justice, last week on BET a case of an African American who was wrongfully accused of raping a white girl aired, the truth only came out decades after, but he's dead. How do voting rights for prisoners solve this? |
Re: Should Prisoners Be Allowed To Vote? by toluene12: 10:05pm On Dec 18, 2012 |
Roland17: Reading without dropping a comment is disallowedwhat about comments without reading? i guess that's worse, it should attract a stiffer penalty. maybe a ban |
Re: Should Prisoners Be Allowed To Vote? by sparko1(m): 10:06pm On Dec 18, 2012 |
Roland17: Reading without dropping a comment is disallowed that actually hurt right? its like spying, well my favourite part. |
Re: Should Prisoners Be Allowed To Vote? by Nobody: 10:06pm On Dec 18, 2012 |
ogugua88: You guys can't be serious lol. Are you truly sympathizing for criminals? There are bigger fish to fry than advocating for people who made conscious decisions to violate the law to have the same basic freedoms as people who do well. Like Roland17 said, looting politicians are in office and have every right to vote. Tackle that problem rather than worrying about the voting rights of thieves and molesters.nwiye m e dezigo exam gi? |
Re: Should Prisoners Be Allowed To Vote? by Revolva(m): 10:08pm On Dec 18, 2012 |
If they should allow all those elewon at kiri kiri or ikoyi prison to vote omo na prison break o !! Dem don cause |
Re: Should Prisoners Be Allowed To Vote? by Roland17(m): 10:09pm On Dec 18, 2012 |
ogugua88: The problem is u are viewing this issue as tangible, voting is a fundamental human right, issues that affect them are involved in the elections, their Health, Education (some of them still pursue education while in there), Housing etal..these are critical issues that determines the sustainability of human life. |
Re: Should Prisoners Be Allowed To Vote? by toluene12: 10:09pm On Dec 18, 2012 |
engrtee: So rev king should vote?that guy is no longer in prison, he has since escaped. besides if obasanjo and bode george can vote, I see no reason why rev king should not vote. |
Re: Should Prisoners Be Allowed To Vote? by Nobody: 10:09pm On Dec 18, 2012 |
Hell Yes! - what happened to giving everyone a second chance?? And who's a criminal and who isn't?? Most "criminals" are just unfortunate people who got caught in the act - and once you have done the time, you should be given a chance to amend whatever you did wrong in the past... Everyone makes mistakes in life - and people shouldn't be ostracised just because of a mistake(s) they made in the past... That's why I'll never agree with the American-style of democracy, it has borderline racist under-tone - yet some pseudo-intelligent clowns are using the same policy they have never bordered to read the background story about, to buttress their asinine argument.. |
Re: Should Prisoners Be Allowed To Vote? by toluene12: 10:11pm On Dec 18, 2012 |
ebamma 3: Should mad men be allowed to use the internet?how about those on nairaland ebamma 3: Should mad men be allowed to use the internet?how about those on nairaland |
Re: Should Prisoners Be Allowed To Vote? by GooseBaba: 10:11pm On Dec 18, 2012 |
To consciously apply such law to the Nigerian system is an act of unnecessary gra gra and follow follow... |
Re: Should Prisoners Be Allowed To Vote? by Roland17(m): 10:12pm On Dec 18, 2012 |
@sparko1 @toluene12 |
Re: Should Prisoners Be Allowed To Vote? by Nobody: 10:15pm On Dec 18, 2012 |
lucenzo: nwiye m e dezigo exam gi? I na su Igbo? YAY! I finished and scored perfects on a few of them |
Re: Should Prisoners Be Allowed To Vote? by Nobody: 10:17pm On Dec 18, 2012 |
hypeman: Hell Yes! - what happened to giving everyone a second chance?? And who's a criminal and who isn't?? Most "criminals" are just unfortunate people who got caught in the act - and once you have done the time, you should be given a chance to amend whatever you did wrong in the past... Everyone makes mistakes in life - and people shouldn't be ostracised just because of a mistake(s) they made in the past... When they get out, they can vote. |
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