Why are only 6,000 out of 70,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 stars visible to the naked eye under the very best conditions when God created all the stars to give light on the earth?

Genesis
1:16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.
1:17 And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth,

Peeping..

Reyginus: Peeping..

Seen.

Also can someone else explain what materials animals and birds and fishes and so on were created from because the book of Genesis records that animals were
1. Brought forth from the waters
2. Formed from the ground by God

Genesis
1:20-21
And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven. And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

2:19
And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof.

Possibilities.
1. 2 Different authors as Genesis seems to tell 2 different stories of creation
2. Waters and ground are the same thing. [Then not just stick with one to avoid confusion]

Thoughts?

The verse does not say that unless we physically see God that we won't know Him rather it says that our knowledge of God to day is like blurry vision but the time will come when our vision will be made clear and we will know God fully. Notice that vision/seeing is being used as a simile for knowing.

Another thing is that some of those starts are already dead. Infact, some died millions years before the bible was written. What we are seeing are light that left the stars, hundreds of millions of years ago.

The question the godly will ask is, if you can see it, is it dead? does it mean that there is life after death? I the universe is limitless, that means that the light from stars will continue travelling forever, thus never dying. So everlasting life is once again proved by science.

advocate666: Another thing is that some of those starts are already dead. Infact, some died millions years before the bible was written. What we are seeing are light that left the stars, hundreds of millions of years ago.

The question the godly will ask is, if you can see it, is it dead? does it mean that there is life after death? I the universe is limitless, that means that the light from stars will continue travelling forever, thus never dying. So everlasting life is once again proved by science.

Yes but light isnt life. Until we discover non matter lifeforms this will always be a theory.

advocate666: Another thing is that some of those starts are already dead. Infact, some died millions years before the bible was written. What we are seeing are light that left the stars, hundreds of millions of years ago.

The question the godly will ask is, if you can see it, is it dead? does it mean that there is life after death? I the universe is limitless, that means that the light from stars will continue travelling forever, thus never dying. So everlasting life is once again proved by science.

It makes a lot of sense but then again the bible said God created the stars, finished creating and then rested. But now we know stars are still being born and will still be born. So is God still creating or Genesis is just hocus pocus

Atheist:-D:


Yes but light isnt life. Until we discover non matter lifeforms this will always be a theory.

How can you say that light isn't life? There are different life forms. Life is just energy. Light has energy and mass. Light even travels and can be used to transport data at mind-blowing speed.
What do you call life? Is the sun alive? If it is not alive, why do 99.99% of living things on this planet need it to live? Can a dead matter give and sustain life?
If light can carry electronic data (eg lasers), it can also carry some form of life you do not yet know about. Also note that light is already the means of transfering energy, thus life, to plants during photosynthesis.

advocate666:

How can you say that light isn't life? There are different life forms. Life is just energy. Light has energy and mass. Light even travels and can be used to transport data at mind-blowing speed.
What do you call life? Is the sun alive? If it is not alive, why do 99.99% of living things on this planet need it to live? Can a dead matter give and sustain life?
If light can carry electronic data (eg lasers), it can also carry some form of life you do not yet know about. Also note that light is already the means of transfering energy, thus life, to plants during photosynthesis.

Careful, if this indeed is a troll it may be too good

wiegraf:

Careful, if this indeed is a troll it may be too good

What do you mean?

advocate666:

What do you mean?

You are funny. There is no consciousness without Soul. Brain is simply a physical organ that controls bodily activities including registering memory data to mind. Soul animates all living things, without which there is no life. Soul of a Brain dead person bilocates from the body and almost always hovers above the body awaiting the next signal by the cosmic mind.


Therefore no soul = no life

wiegraf:


You are funny. There is no consciousness without Soul. Brain is simply a physical organ that controls bodily activities including registering memory data to mind. Soul animates all living things, without which there is no life. Soul of a Brain dead person bilocates from the body and almost always hovers above the body awaiting the next signal by the cosmic mind.


Therefore no soul = no life

so sardines and algae have souls?

advocate666:

so sardines and algae have souls?

Yes, sardines and algae have souls. ECCLESIASTES 3 VS 21 Who knows if the spirit of man rises upward and if the spirit of the animal goes down into the earth?

wiegraf:


Yes, sardines and algae have souls. ECCLESIASTES 3 VS 21 Who knows if the spirit of man rises upward and if the spirit of the animal goes down into the earth?

plants?

wiegraf:


You are funny. There is no consciousness without Soul. Brain is simply a physical organ that controls bodily activities including registering memory data to mind. Soul animates all living things, without which there is no life. Soul of a Brain dead person bilocates from the body and almost always hovers above the body awaiting the next signal by the cosmic mind.


Therefore no soul = no life

I could have sworn I read that exact same post from either billyonaire or greatgenius. About the consciousness of light, check the double slit experiment.

advocate666:

plants?

In my opinion, yes, plants have awareness. All things do, but in varying quantities. When a plant is destroyed, I can tell you that it is aware of the event in its own "plant way". It perceives an event that
is entropic to the direction of its life force, thus making it a negative event in terms of consciousness. The same goes for say a one celled
microorganism being consumed by say, a paramecium. It experiences something negative as it's integrity as a physical lifeform comes to an end. That's not to say it is thinking about any of
this as it happens. We live in a reality where life feeds on life, and that continues until you learn all the lessons associated with that kind of environment.

Affiliated:

I could have sworn I read that exact same post from either billyonaire or greatgenius. About the consciousness of light, check the double slit experiment.

What about it?

wiegraf:

What about it?

If you actually read it, you'll see light certainly acts conscious. Also about the plants, it has been proven that plants have a memory and can remember light patterns and so on. And when they need water, they release a sound at a pitch 5 times higher than what humans are able to hear (cry for help) there's a kind of algae that has been proven to have a memory and calculative abilities too

Affiliated:

If you actually read it, you'll see light certainly acts conscious.

It's just random. Truly, something from nothing random

wiegraf:

It's just random. Truly, something from nothing random

Can you expantiate? What's random?

Affiliated:

Can you expantiate? What's random?

Energy. Uncertainty principle, etc

wiegraf:

Energy. Uncertainty principle, etc

OK. Life is random then.

Affiliated:

OK. Life is random then.

That is correct

I had hopes (High) hopes that with all the discourse in 2012, we would have some respite from posts such as this one.. truly unfortunate.. I don't get paid to enlighten people y'know

wiegraf:

In my opinion, yes, plants have awareness. All things do, but in varying quantities. When a plant is destroyed, I can tell you that it is aware of the event in its own "plant way". It perceives an event that
is entropic to the direction of its life force, thus making it a negative event in terms of consciousness. The same goes for say a one celled
microorganism being consumed by say, a paramecium. It experiences something negative as it's integrity as a physical lifeform comes to an end. That's not to say it is thinking about any of
this as it happens. We live in a reality where life feeds on life, and that continues until you learn all the lessons associated with that kind of environment.

Don't dodge and answer something you were not asked.
Does plants have souls?
Does a virus have a soul?
If, yes, for what purpose?

advocate666:

How can you say that light isn't life? There are different life forms. Life is just energy. Light has energy and mass. Light even travels and can be used to transport data at mind-blowing speed.
What do you call life? Is the sun alive? If it is not alive, why do 99.99% of living things on this planet need it to live? Can a dead matter give and sustain life?
If light can carry electronic data (eg lasers), it can also carry some form of life you do not yet know about. Also note that light is already the means of transfering energy, thus life, to plants during photosynthesis.

We cannot classify it as life. Iif there is life in light it would be a new discovery. Also energy+mass does not necessarily guarantee life. The sun is not alive.

Light has specific properties but so far no mass. There are experiments that highlight it might have mass but it is too small to measure accurately.

Atheist:-D:


We cannot classify it as life. If there is life in light it would be a new discovery. Also energy+mass does not necessarily guarantee life. The sun is not alive.

Light has specific properties but so far no mass. There are experiments that highlight it might have mass but it is too small to measure accurately.

That's a pretty big absolute statement to make. On what basis do you state this fact so conclusively?

Affiliated: Why are only 6,000 out of 70,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 stars visible to the naked eye under the very best conditions when God created all the stars to give light on the earth?

Genesis
1:16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.
1:17 And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth,

*strawman*

i thought i red from that ^^^ that God created "two light"
Hmmm!

truthislight:

*strawman*

i thought i red from that ^^^ that God created "two light"
Hmmm!

God created the 2 great lights which is the sun and the moon then almost as an afterthought He created over 70 sextillion stars. The problem is that the moon isn't a light and doesn't produce light

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#itsofficial!!

wiegraf:


You are funny. There is no consciousness without Soul. Brain is simply a physical organ that controls bodily activities including registering memory data to mind. Soul animates all living things, without which there is no life. Soul of a Brain dead person bilocates from the body and almost always hovers above the body awaiting the next signal by the cosmic mind.


Therefore no soul = no life

always on point!!

Affiliated:

That's a pretty big absolute statement to make. On what basis do you state this fact so conclusively?

According to standardised classificatons.

If you are referring to alive as in active then YES it is. If you mean as in a lifeform then NO. It is not classified as such. I believe there mght be forms of life we may not yet understand. Our current interpretations of what is a lifeform is based on what we experience on earth. We are yet to encounter and appropriately classify extra-terrestial life.