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Re: Nairaland Mathematics Clinic by Nobody: 10:10pm On Dec 13, 2013 |
akpos4uall: lantessy: recheck d expression 4 ur xy and also z cannot be root 2...but u did a good job Thanks for the observation and correction. I made a mistake in collecting the like terms! Thanks, it's z = 1 thrice as corrected by akpos above .... |
Re: Nairaland Mathematics Clinic by Nobody: 10:13pm On Dec 13, 2013 |
Laplacian: If a2 + ad + 1 = x2.....eqn1 a2 + 2ad + 1 = y2......eqn2 a2 + 3ad + 2d2 +1 = z2.......eqn3 1.) find a in terms of x, y, and z 2.) find d in terms of x, y, and z I think this is the interpretation to the problem you posted earlier.... I arrived at something similar when I attempted solving the problem in the afternoon, too many unknowns ! @jackpot, how you take crack am? Trial and error method?.... 2. Solution => From (1) a2 = x2 - ad - 1 .....(A) Substituting (A) in (2) yields => ad = y2 - x2............3 Substituting (A) in 3 yields => 2ad + 2d2 = z2 - x2 Factoring the LHS => 2ad( a + d) = z2 - x2......4 Substituting (3) in (4) yields => 2ad + 2d2 = z2 - x2 2(ad + d2) = z2 - x2 d2 + ad = (z2 - x2)/2 d2 + y2 - x2 = (z2 - x2)/2 d2 = (z2 - x2)/2 + (x2 - y2) d2 = {(z2 - x2) + 2(x2 - y2)}/2 d2 = {z2 + x2 - 2y2}/2 d = √[{z2 + x2 - 2y2}/2] 1. Solution => d = √[{z2 + x2 - 2y2}/2] From (3) above d = {y2 - x2}/a............(5) equating (5) and the value of d yields => {y2 - x2}/a = √[{z2 + x2 - 2y2}/2] :. a = {y2 - x2}/√[{z2 + x2 - 2y2}/2] a = [ {y2 - x2}.√2{z2 + x2 - 2y2} ]/{z2 + x2 - 2y2} |
Re: Nairaland Mathematics Clinic by Nobody: 10:25pm On Dec 13, 2013 |
Here it goes: x + y + z = 3 .....equation1 x2 + y2 + z2 = 3....equation 2 x3 + y3 + z3 = 3.... equation 3 Before we proceed. We have to create an expression for x3 + y3 in terms of (x + y) Using addition and subtraction method to factorize the polynomial x3 + y3 yields: x3 + y3 can be expressed as : (x + y)3 - 3xy (x + y) Also x2 + y2 can be expressed as : (x + y)2 - 2xy Now, having created an expressing for the above. From equation 1, (x + y) = (3 - z) ....equation 4 Substituting the expression for x2 + y2 in equation 2 yields : (x + y)2 - 2xy + z2 = 3 .... equation 5 Substituting the expression for x3 + y3 in equation 3 yields: (x + y)3 - 3xy (x + y) + z3 = 3 .... equation 6 Since we already know the expression for x + y = (3 - z) in terms of z. We can now find an expression for xy from equation 5 so we can substitute back in equation 6 to give us the values of z. Computing xy in terms of z, substitute x + y = (3 - z) (3 - z)2 - 2xy + z2 = 3 2xy = (3 - z)( 3 - z) - 3 + z2 2xy = 9 - 6z + z2 - 3 +z2 2xy = 2z2 - 6z + 6 :. xy = z2 - 3z + 3 Having known the expression for xy in terms of z as written above. We can now substitute both expression (i.e the expression for (x + y) and xy) in terms of z in equation 6. x + y = (3 - z) and xy = z2 - 3z + 3 (x + y)3 - 3xy (x + y) + z3 = 3 substituting yields : (3 - z)3 - 3( = z2 - 3z + 3[/b]) (2 - z) + z3 = 3 Expanding and collecting like terms yields: 27 - 27z + 9z2 - z3 + 3z3 - 18z2 + 36z - 27 + z3 = 3 Simplifying further=> 3z3 - 9z2 + 9z - 3 = 0 z3 - 3z2 + 3z - 1 = 0 Factoring the polynomial yields: (z - 1)3 = 0 z = 1 thrice We can now substitute the values of z in equations 1 and 2 to evaluate x and y. z = 1, substituting in equation (1) => x + y + 1 = 3 :. x + y = 2 x = 2 - y ......eqn (A) z = 1, substituting in equation (2) => x2 + y2 = 3 - 12 x2 + y2 = 2........eqn (B). Substituting eqn. (A) in (B) yields => (2 - y)2 + y2 = 2 4 - 4y + y2 + y2 = 2 2y2 - 4y + 2 = 0 y2 - 2y + 1 = 0 Factoring yields=> y2 - y - y + 1 = 0 y(y - 1) - 1(y - 1) = 0 (y - 1)(y - 1) = 0 y = 1 twice substituting y = 1 in eqn (A) yields=> x = 2 - y x = 2 - 1 x = 1 :. z = 1 thrice, y = 1 twice and x = 1 |
Re: Nairaland Mathematics Clinic by Laplacian(m): 10:46pm On Dec 13, 2013 |
Re: Nairaland Mathematics Clinic by Laplacian(m): 10:46pm On Dec 13, 2013 |
doubleDx:i really appreciate ur effort...u 're my mentor indeed.....i 've been waitin on jackpot 4 her approach/response but it seems she's playin hide&seek....if only she knew what d solution meant....anyway, i 'll giv it one more week after which i'll abandon it with/without the solution...once again, thanks |
Re: Nairaland Mathematics Clinic by Laplacian(m): 10:47pm On Dec 13, 2013 |
@mentor dx, how did u apply the index notation witout using d symbol ^ |
Re: Nairaland Mathematics Clinic by Nobody: 11:12pm On Dec 13, 2013 |
Laplacian: @mentor dx, how did u apply the index notation witout using d symbol ^ Just use [sup]2[sup] instead of ^2 for square... the [sup] after 2 should be {/sup} not with {} brackets though....I hope you understand! |
Re: Nairaland Mathematics Clinic by Nobody: 11:27pm On Dec 13, 2013 |
Laplacian: I made a little mistake, 2ad + d^2 = (z2 - x2) AND not 2ad + da^2 = (z2 - x2); so I'm re-posting => a2 + ad + 1 = x2.....eqn1 a2 + 2ad + 1 = y2......eqn2 a2 + 3ad + 2d2 +1 = z2.......eqn3 1.) find a in terms of x, y, and z 2.) find d in terms of x, y, and z 2. Solution => From (1) a2 = x2 - ad - 1 .....(A) Substituting (A) in (2) yields => ad = y2 - x2............3 Substituting (A) in 3 yields => 2ad + 2d2 = z2 - x2 Factoring the LHS => 2ad( a + d) = z2 - x2......4 Substituting (3) in (4) yields => 2ad + 2d2 = z2 - x2 2(ad + d2) = z2 - x2 d2 + ad = (z2 - x2)/2 d2 + y2 - x2 = (z2 - x2)/2 d2 = (z2 - x2)/2 + (x2 - y2) d2 = {(z2 - x2) + 2(x2 - y2)}/2 d2 = {z2 + x2 - 2y2}/2 d = √[{z2 + x2 - 2y2}/2] 1. Solution => d = √[{z2 + x2 - 2y2}/2] From (3) above d = {y2 - x2}/a............(5) equating (5) and the value of d yields => {y2 - x2}/a = √[{z2 + x2 - 2y2}/2] :. a = {y2 - x2}/√[{z2 + x2 - 2y2}/2] a = [ {y2 - x2}.√2{z2 + x2 - 2y2} ]/{z2 + x2 - 2y2} |
Re: Nairaland Mathematics Clinic by AlphaMaximus(m): 12:23am On Dec 14, 2013 |
Re: Nairaland Mathematics Clinic by Nobody: 3:40am On Dec 14, 2013 |
smurfy: 1 Like |
Re: Nairaland Mathematics Clinic by jackpot(f): 6:11am On Dec 14, 2013 |
@Laplacian abeg, na TaE method I used. Anyways, I started the hunt by simplifying my choice for the first term, so I set a=1. Next, I looked for the closest square: 4. I choose 3 as the second term so that 1(3)+1=4. But the third term 5 didnt work since 1(5)+1=6, even though 3(5)+1=16. So, I began shopping for the next closer square: 9. I then re-choose 8 as my second term so that 1(+1=9. Now, the third term is 15. 1(15)+1=16. 8(15)+1=121. Purrrrrrrrfect! Took 2 mins though, but I know that my next search for the next triple may take hours. Maybe am lucky with these triples 1, 8, 15. Simplifying my choice for a by setting "a=1" helped a lot since it tells you that the possible second term has to be "perfect square minus 1" for obvious reasons. disclaimer: "a" can be any integer apart from 1 though. Using TaE method, it is good to fix the first term since the possible second terms comes handy. The third term is the "make or mar" term. For example in 1,3,5, the term 5 marred it since 1(5)+1 is not a perfect square. Next, it is interesting to note that any three consecutive even/odd numbers(except 0,2,4) nearly satisfies it. This is an indirect consequence of difference of two squares. Maybe this "nearly" property triggered your research? Proposition No three consecutive even/odd numbers satisfies Laplacian's question Proof Let a be an integer and common difference d=2. Then the three consecutive even/odd numbers are a, a + 2, a +4 Now, a(a+2)+1=a2+2a+1=(a+1)2, which is a perfect square. (a+2)(a+4)+1=a2+6a+9=(a+3)2, again, a perfect square. [s]two pefect squares already. No wonder the "nearly satisfication" claim[/s] But, a(a+4)+1=a2+4a+1=(a+2)2-3, which is not, in general, a perfect square, except if (a+2)2=4, in which case a=0, a+2=2, a+4=4 (or a=-4, a+2=-2, a+4=0). No wonder 0, 2, 4 and -4, -2, 0 are nice brides The proof is complete. Lemme stop here. 1 Like |
Re: Nairaland Mathematics Clinic by 2nioshine(m): 7:39am On Dec 14, 2013 |
doubleDx:Exactly bruv am glad u made the correction urself...although we took a different route but got same end.....still in my Obs mood...nice work at all...stress to paste solution no be childs' 1 Like |
Re: Nairaland Mathematics Clinic by Nobody: 7:51am On Dec 14, 2013 |
jackpot: @Laplacian Nice one, I thought as much Kudos.... |
Re: Nairaland Mathematics Clinic by Laplacian(m): 8:39am On Dec 14, 2013 |
...xsup2/sup |
Re: Nairaland Mathematics Clinic by Laplacian(m): 9:01am On Dec 14, 2013 |
doubleDx:@jackpot, 2nioshine&Dx....tanks 4 sharin my burden...believin everyone understnds Dx's solutn, i proceed 2 give my solutn cuz i went farther & wait 4 ur correctns... Now d = √[{z2 + x2 - 2y2}/2] but d is an integer, so the square root has to go... Set z=2y+x, then z2=4y2+4xy+x2 addin x2 - 2y2 to both sides and dividin the result by 2 we obtain [{z2 + x2 - 2y2}/2]=(x+y)2 hence d=√{(x+y)2} d=x+y but, a=(y2-x2)/d so that a=(x-y)*(x+y)/(x+y)=x-y so for integers x, y & z, the first term a=x-y, and the common differenc d=x+y and lastly z=2y+x if nw we set x=3, y=4 then z=2*4+3=11, a=4-3=1, d=4+3=7 so the sequence is a=1, a+d=1+7=8, a+2d=1+14=15 i.e 1, 8, 15.....which is jackpot's result....but i dont knw y it fails for other values of x and y...any suggestion plz?... Here's the full solution...with a=y-x d=y+x, z=2y+x slotted into either eqn1, eqn2 or eqn3, we arrive arrive @ the followin eqn 2y2-2xy+1=x2 or rearrangin 2 get 3y2+1=x2+2xy+y2 or 3y2+1=(x+y)2 but d=x+y so 3y2+1=d2 or d2-3y2=1 remember that since a=y-x ==> a=y+x-2x=d-2y...every other thing follows from the Pell's Equation above...Regards 2 jackpot and 2Dx... |
Re: Nairaland Mathematics Clinic by Nobody: 11:03am On Dec 14, 2013 |
Laplacian: ...xsup2/sup Yeah, the "sup" should be in this bracket "[]" |
Re: Nairaland Mathematics Clinic by Nobody: 11:08am On Dec 14, 2013 |
Laplacian: This is good...but it fails for other values of x and y! There must be a problem somewhere....maybe from the question, no three consecutive even/odd numbers satisfies it as pointed out by jackpot! |
Re: Nairaland Mathematics Clinic by Nobody: 11:18am On Dec 14, 2013 |
2nioshine: Exactly bruv am glad u made the correction urself...although we took a different route but got same end.....still in my Obs mood...nice work at all...stress to paste solution no be childs' Thanks bruv! How have you been? It's been a while man! |
Re: Nairaland Mathematics Clinic by Nobody: 12:29pm On Dec 14, 2013 |
smurfy: This is superb! Not many people can solve questions like this. Kudos to all the contributors on this thread. 1 Like |
Re: Nairaland Mathematics Clinic by AlphaMaximus(m): 12:57pm On Dec 14, 2013 |
Re: Nairaland Mathematics Clinic by Laplacian(m): 1:04pm On Dec 14, 2013 |
Re: Nairaland Mathematics Clinic by Laplacian(m): 1:07pm On Dec 14, 2013 |
Much thanks 2 jackpot, 2Dx, 2nioshine & and all others who secretly wrkd on my 3yrs-old question, 4 ur gr8 concern |
Re: Nairaland Mathematics Clinic by Laplacian(m): 1:08pm On Dec 14, 2013 |
Laplacian: ...pls i need help with this questoin...either a solution or an idea is welcome......integers which satisfy my question in increasing order of the magnitude of their first term include; 1, 8, 15 4, 30, 56 15, 112, 127 56, 418, 780 2911, 21728, 40545 ...infinitely more... |
Re: Nairaland Mathematics Clinic by Laplacian(m): 1:17pm On Dec 14, 2013 |
Alpha Maximus: Z2......finally got the hang of this NL index notation system! Ok lemme freestyle:what does "NL" mean? Numerical Language? |
Re: Nairaland Mathematics Clinic by Nobody: 1:26pm On Dec 14, 2013 |
Laplacian: NairaLand! What a question! |
Re: Nairaland Mathematics Clinic by Nobody: 1:29pm On Dec 14, 2013 |
Alpha Maximus: Z2......finally got the hang of this NL index notation system! Ok lemme freestyle: Let me try... ax2 + bx + c = 0. Maximus3 It's not a NL thing though. |
Re: Nairaland Mathematics Clinic by AlphaMaximus(m): 1:36pm On Dec 14, 2013 |
Re: Nairaland Mathematics Clinic by AlphaMaximus(m): 1:38pm On Dec 14, 2013 |
Re: Nairaland Mathematics Clinic by Nobody: 1:42pm On Dec 14, 2013 |
Alpha Maximus: Was about to ask the same question. But Numerical Language would have also been a good cover-up! How about square root? [sqrt]{b2 - 4ac}[/sqrt]] Not getting it |
Re: Nairaland Mathematics Clinic by AlphaMaximus(m): 1:51pm On Dec 14, 2013 |
Re: Nairaland Mathematics Clinic by AlphaMaximus(m): 1:54pm On Dec 14, 2013 |
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