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Re: The Prosperity Gospel Ruined My Life by Zikkyy(m): 3:16pm On Jan 17, 2013
Joagbaje:
Giving is only an aspect of prosperity and Jesus taught it.

Luke 6:38
Give, and it shall be given unto you; good measure, pressed down, and shaken together, and running over, shall men give into your bosom. For with the same measure that ye mete withal it shall be measured to you again.


It's true that Jesus taught giving, but Jesus did not teach 'prosperity (casino) giving' angry and i think you should take @lager's advise; you will never get it right if you keep interpreting verses in isolation, without taking into consideration preceding verses/chapters. What did Jesus preach? did Jesus preached that giving should be based on the expectations of reward? is that the message in Luke 6:38? Lets read verse 30-34 of the Luke chapter (NIV):

32 “If you love those who love you, [size=14pt]what credit is that to you? Even sinners love those who love them[/size].
33 And if you do good to those who are good to you, [size=14pt]what credit is that to you? Even sinners do that[/size].
34 And if you lend to those from whom you expect repayment, [size=14pt]what credit is that to you?Even sinners lend to sinners, expecting to be repaid in full[/size]".


So Mr. joagbaje, what characteristic or qualities set you apart from sinners? is it because you gave? what credit is that to you? even sinners give! Lets continue reading from verse 35:

35 "But love your enemies, do good to them,and lend to them without expecting to get anything back. Then your reward will be great, and you will be children of the Most High, because he is kind to the ungrateful and wicked"

consider the bit in blue, Christ is telling you character or qualities expected of a Christian. Your heart matters a lot to God. The motivations for giving is very important. Christ is telling us giving out of love (without expecting to get anything back!) is what he desires. He is also telling us in this verse that our giving will not go un-noticed by the Almighty, there is reward for giving out of love. This takes us to verse 38 you quoted;

38 "Give, and it will be given to you. A good measure, pressed down, shaken together and running over, will be poured into your lap.(AV) For with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.”

So what type of giving are we to follow? is it:
1. giving in love without expectations of returns (as preached by Christ)? or
2. giving for profit in anticipation of 'bumper' returns (the casino gospel as delivered by prosperity preachers)? what credit is this to you cos even sinners do this.

and what is the difference between these two? they are both acts of giving. the intentions or motivations for the giving set them apart. That is the difference between prosperity gospel and that of Christ. God will reward those he wish to reward and Jesus did not say our giving should be based on expectations of reward from God.

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Re: The Prosperity Gospel Ruined My Life by Joagbaje(m): 3:40pm On Jan 17, 2013
Stop reading meaning into Jesus simple teaching . It's a universal law. I quoted three scriptures as witnesses to the truth , you only dwell on one why?
Re: The Prosperity Gospel Ruined My Life by Zikkyy(m): 3:43pm On Jan 17, 2013
For better understanding of the quote you posted, you should consider verse 8 as well.

8 Whoever sows to please their flesh, from the flesh will reap destruction; whoever sows to please the Spirit, from the Spirit will reap eternal life.

Apostle Paul is talking about sowing and reaping but what do you sow to please the flesh and what do you sow to please the spirit? I can tell you one thing; the man that gives in love walks in the spirit and the man whose giving is motivated by the so called principle of 'giving and receiving' sows to please the flesh. You reap what you sow, very true. The latter is driven by greed and will reap the reward of the flesh. This is where prosperity gospel leads its practitioners to.

Joagbaje:
Paul taught it too.
Galatians 6:7
Be not deceived; God is not mocked:for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.

You continue to mis-interpret scriptures to suit your intentions. was Paul telling the Galatians that they give to receive? is that the message from this chapter? you quoted verse 7, lets continue from verse 9-10 to get a better understanding of the message (NIV):

[color=#990000]9 "Let us not become weary in doing good,for at the proper time we will reap a harvest if we do not give up".
10 "Therefore, as we have opportunity, let us do good to all people, especially to those who belong to the family of believers".


If you read from verse 1 you will observe that the focus was all about doing acts of charity (love). a reminder that there are rewards for everything we do should not be interpreted to mean that is the reason or basis for such act. You don't love your brother or neighbor because of what you intend to reap; that is not true love, it is not the kind of love taught by apostle Paul. instead, it is your pastor's teaching (the casino gospel). Apostle Paul taught un-conditional giving and he advised in verse 2 of that same chapter you quoted that we should carry each other burden in fulfillment of the law of Christ.

2 Carry each other’s burdens, and in this way you will fulfill the law of Christ.
Re: The Prosperity Gospel Ruined My Life by Zikkyy(m): 3:44pm On Jan 17, 2013
Joagbaje: Stop reading meaning into Jesus simple teaching . It's a universal law. I quoted three scriptures as witnesses to the truth , you only dwell on one why?

wait make i finish na. am at work and taking my time to respond. abi you go pay my salary?
Re: The Prosperity Gospel Ruined My Life by Zikkyy(m): 5:10pm On Jan 17, 2013
Joagbaje:
Philippians 4:17
But though I appreciate your gifts, what makes me happiest is the well- earned reward you will have because of your kindness.
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So If you call biblical principle casino. Then you may have to write another bible

Every giving has a reward . If you must be a receiver , you start the giving .

you are so focused on your version of the principle of giving and receiving you fail to get the message. Every action comes with its reward. sinners will reap their reward just as believers will reap theirs. in your quote above, Paul is telling the Philippians that what makes him happiest is the well-earned reward accruing to the Philippians as a result of their kindness. Now what does it mean for one to be kind? again you can see that it is a matter of the heart. is the man giving because of the expected reward showing kindness or is he just engaging in a business transaction (for profit)? Paul talked about the Philippians showing concern in verse 10:

10 I rejoiced greatly in the Lord that at last you renewed your concern for me. Indeed, you were concerned, but you had no opportunity to show it.

Now giving because you have a genuine concern for the welfare of a brother (in need) cannot be the same as giving to that brother because of the benefit you want to receive. Your actions cannot be driven by both motives at the same time. Its either you give out of love or you give because you also want to receive. Paul is not telling the Philippians to give so as to receive. He rejoiced in their acts of charity and he knew that their action will not go un-noticed by the Almighty. These acts are a reflection of the spirit of God in them.

Joagbaje:
Every giving has a reward .

I don't know anything about every giving having its own reward, but i do believe that God rewards when he wants to and how he want to.

Joagbaje:
If you must be a receiver , you start the giving .

Funny enough. i have received without giving, and i have given without receiving. It is not my motivation. The problem here is that you still don't understand the issue here. It is not about the existence of a principle of 'giving and receiving', it is about how it is preached. Jesus and the apostles preached that we should give out of love (knowing that God rewards those that fulfills the law of Christ), the prosperity (casino) gospel teaches that we should give so as to benefit from some rewards (rewards as determined by the pastor). Both givings are driven by very different motives.
Re: The Prosperity Gospel Ruined My Life by PastorKun(m): 5:13pm On Jan 17, 2013
@joagbaje
You ought to be ashamed of yourself. And you are supposed to be a 'senior' pastor. Anyway I don't blame you sha when even your oga Oyaks does not have basic bible interpretation skills. It's so sad that half baked charlatans like you are being allowed to mount the pulpit and spew out rubbish to people. One would thought that after your being on NL for a few years you would have learnt to interprete the bible properly and stop disgracing yourself.

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Re: The Prosperity Gospel Ruined My Life by Zikkyy(m): 5:18pm On Jan 17, 2013
Joagbaje:
Stop reading meaning into Jesus simple teaching . It's a universal law.

I should stop reading meaning into Jesus simple teaching. Why? because you have sole right to read meanings into Christ teachings abi? By posting that quote, were you not reading meaning into it? to suit your objective?

Let me even agree that it is a universal law. By stating that law, was Jesus preaching that giving should be driven by the need to benefit from this universal law? was he saying that the motive for our given should be driven by the need to receive? is that the message from Luke 6? tell me angry
Re: The Prosperity Gospel Ruined My Life by truthislight: 6:25pm On Jan 17, 2013
Joagbaje:

Giving is only an aspect of prosperity and Jesus taught it.

Luke 6:38
Give, and it shall be given unto you; good measure, pressed down, and shaken together, and running over, shall men give into your bosom. For with the same measure that ye mete withal it shall be measured to you again.


Paul taught it too.

Galatians 6:7
Be not deceived; God is not mocked:for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.

Philippians 4:17
But though I appreciate your gifts, what makes me happiest is the well- earned reward you will have because of your kindness.

So If you call biblical principle casino. Then you may have to write another bible

Every giving has a reward . If you must be a receiver , you start the giving .

"for God loves a cheerful giver" the bible says.

How can that ^^^ replace the message of the kingdom of God?

"But seek ye

first the kingdom

of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you. " (Matthew 6:33).
................

The whole message of the bible is how to Give mankind eternal life, what Adam lost in the kingdom of God that is to come:

"After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.

Thy kingdom come.

Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven. " (Matthew 6:9-10).

The other things are instruction on how christians should help one another and how they should use wisdom to earn a living.

Whatever you do, priority one is:


"But seek ye

first the kingdom

of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you. " (Matthew 6:33).
..................

How then and why then should someone start preaching prosperity instead of the kingdom of God where the reward for everlasting life is promised?

Are we not supposed to store up our treasure in heaven again?

Na wao .

If we are to seek the kingdom of God FIRST, how come prosperity gospel has taken the first place?

Hmmm!
Re: The Prosperity Gospel Ruined My Life by Candour(m): 6:48pm On Jan 17, 2013
wow!!!

Been following this thread and must confess it's a tragedy when Atheists,agnostics etc know more about the heartbeat of our Christ than we children of the kingdom.How can some christians imply that Christ died so we can fill our houses with dollars when its obvious that no so called 'christian' will ever match the silicon valley whizkids in wealth.If Christ died to make us rich in physical terms,don't you think one of us should be the richest in the world right now? if that is not the case, can't it be argued that Christ died in vain? i mean if 2000 years after the fact,no Christian has worn the garb of richest man in the world.

seriously brethren,do you really need @lagerwhenindoubt to preach at you before you realise you're way out in left field? your casino gospel only breeds empty,greedy and self centered 'christians' who know nothing in the bible except verses that have the word riches or it's synonyms in them.

no matter how much they 'sow' or receive seeds 'sown', all our biggest MOG's combined will never match Warren Buffet(an agnostic) in wealth.the man is 85 years old and he even enjoys better physical health than our jet flying pastors.

Shame on you if you think Christ shed his blood so you can fill your being with materials susceptible to the power of mere rodents and roaches.

@lagerwhenindoubt, i salute your openness.

PLS LET THE TEACHINGS CONTINUE......I'M ENJOYING IT BIG TIME
Re: The Prosperity Gospel Ruined My Life by truthislight: 6:49pm On Jan 17, 2013
oiseworld:

Oga like I have spoken before, it is clearly the will of God that we are in good health and prosper, even as our soul prospereth. 3 john 1:2

^^^
wrong!

That 1John3 you quoted is not talking about material things or is it talking about material prosperity, but rather it is talking about "propering in truth"

See:

"Beloved, I wish above all things that thou mayest prosper and be in health, even as thy soul prospereth. For I rejoiced greatly, when the brethren came and testified of the truth that is in thee, even as thou walkest in the truth. I have no greater joy than to hear that my children walk in truth." (3 John 1:2-4).
................

^^^

"propering in the truth" it said. QED


prosperity gospel is not scriptural that is why you have to misrepresent that bible portion to sell the lie.

I pity those that will not read and study their bible
Re: The Prosperity Gospel Ruined My Life by truthislight: 7:34pm On Jan 17, 2013
Candour: wow!!!

Been following this thread and must confess it's a tragedy when Atheists,agnostics etc know more about the heartbeat of our Christ than we children of the kingdom.How can some christians imply that Christ died so we can fill our houses with dollars when its obvious that no so called 'christian' will ever match the silicon valley whizkids in wealth.If Christ died to make us rich in physical terms,don't you think one of us should be the richest in the world right now? if that is not the case, can't it be argued that Christ died in vain? i mean if 2000 years after the fact,no Christian has worn the garb of richest man in the world.

seriously brethren,do you really need @lagerwhenindoubt to preach at you before you realise you're way out in left field? your casino gospel only breeds empty,greedy and self centered 'christians' who know nothing in the bible except verses that have the word riches or it's synonyms in them.

no matter how much they 'sow' or receive seeds 'sown', all our biggest MOG's combined will never match Warren Buffet(an agnostic) in wealth.the man is 85 years old and he even enjoys better physical health than our jet flying pastors.

Shame on you if you think Christ shed his blood so you can fill your being with materials susceptible to the power of mere rodents and roaches.

@lagerwhenindoubt, i salute your openness.

PLS LET THE TEACHINGS CONTINUE......I'M ENJOYING IT BIG TIME

embarassed cry cry cry lipsrsealed

I am really Ashamed
Re: The Prosperity Gospel Ruined My Life by Joagbaje(m): 8:00pm On Jan 17, 2013
truthislight:

"for God loves a cheerful giver" the bible says.

How can that ^^^ replace the message of the kingdom of God?

"But seek ye

first the kingdom

of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you. " (Matthew 6:33).
................

The whole message of the bible is how to Give mankind eternal life, what Adam lost in the kingdom of God that is to come:

"After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.

Thy kingdom come.

Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven. " (Matthew 6:9-10).

The other things are instruction on how christians should help one another and how they should use wisdom to earn a living.

Whatever you do, priority one is:


"But seek ye

first the kingdom

of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you. " (Matthew 6:33).
..................

How then and why then should someone start preaching prosperity instead of the kingdom of God where the reward for everlasting life is promised?

Are we not supposed to store up our treasure in heaven again?

Na wao .

If we are to seek the kingdom of God FIRST, how come prosperity gospel has taken the first place?

Hmmm!

And what do u understand by seeking the kingdom
Re: The Prosperity Gospel Ruined My Life by oiseworld: 9:12pm On Jan 17, 2013
NAWA OOHHH !!!

All these atheist and their lack of understanding. Reason why they are atheist in the first place.

oya make we carry on,

let x=y.
If x is giving. And y is sowing. Then giving =sowing.

When a farmer sows in the farm, does he walk away without expecting to reap what he has sowed. Or you think God is a debtor? That he would not repay you for every act of kindness/giving that you do. Not minding if you do it because he asked you to do it or because you are just kind.... Ooboy give yourself brain.
Maybe you don't need the money that's why you're a free giver. GOD IS NOT A DEBTOR.
....If you don't get ur reward here on earth, you would get it in the world after if you make it.

Have u ever asked why we serve God and not Live our lifes the way we want it?....Because theirs a reward, so let it stick into your head God will REWARD every good deed.

.
Heb 6:10
King James Bible
For God is not unrighteous to forget your work and labour of love, which ye have shewed toward his name, in that ye have ministered to the saints, and do minister.

... tell me which of the passages you quoted there that doesn't have a reward attached.... You just want to lead people astray. With ur atheism, all of you.

Now this is the conclusion of the matter..

GOD IS THE AUTHOR OF FREELY GIVING....HE HAS A REWARD FOR IT.

GOD IS THE AUTHOR OF CONDITIONAL GIVING.... HE HAS A REWARD FOR IT.

NAME ANY TYPE OF GIVING AND I WILL SHOW YOU HE HAS A REWARD FOR IT ALSO.... SO HOW THEN DO YOU GIVE UNCONDITIONALLY WHEN THERE'S ALREADY A REWARD ATTACHED. NOT MINDING IF YOU ARE INTERESTED OR NOT.

I'll. Be back to answer others.
Re: The Prosperity Gospel Ruined My Life by lagerwhenindoubt(m): 9:23pm On Jan 17, 2013
^^^ everything you have said sounds like it came from the Bible.. but all you have just done is waffle and made statements that will get the gullible nodding their heads. sadly there are a lot of gullible (Poor) peeps out there who are too desperate to get rich and you are right there to take them for the pickins ..
Re: The Prosperity Gospel Ruined My Life by oiseworld: 10:03pm On Jan 17, 2013
Pastor Kun: @joagbaje
You ought to be ashamed of yourself. And you are supposed to be a 'senior' pastor. Anyway I don't blame you sha when even your oga Oyaks does not have basic bible interpretation skills. It's so sad that half baked charlatans like you are being allowed to mount the pulpit and spew out rubbish to people. One would thought that after your being on NL for a few years you would have learnt to interprete the bible properly and stop disgracing yourself.

@pastor kun,
Its ovious you lack basic Bible understanding. You most be an etheist hiding under the name of a pastor. They believe they evolved from apes reason why they don't understand why they at on earth.

You claim to be a pastor following God sheepishly, have you ever stop to ask God your reward for following him. Even if you won't ask, he will tell you. He will reward all is followers and that is the basis. REWARD, REWARD, REWARD...

If u don't believe in heaven or hell, then you need not follow God... Don't bring dat I love him rubbish, it doesn't exist.

@lagerwhenindoubt,
You claim pastors only take half a verse of a scipture leaving the rest because of their selfish purposes ok let's look at this.

matt 6:33
But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you.

Lets take away the upper part.
...... and all these things shall be added unto you.

I hope we are in understanding, this case are not a prefix and sufix verses like you want to think. Rather, they butress each other.

Weither he takes it from the top or from the bottom, it will end up saying the same Thing.a d passing the same message.
I hope u get me here. Another one.
2 chro 7:14
If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.

Jst humbling themselves,praying and seeking his face will automatically bring the result that follows. Even if that part was not added to the main scripture. That is the nature of God and that's how it works.
I hope I've helped u abit.
Pardon my blunders. I'll get more stripture to buttress my point.
Re: The Prosperity Gospel Ruined My Life by Zikkyy(m): 10:23pm On Jan 17, 2013
oiseworld:
When a farmer sows in the farm, does he walk away without expecting to reap what he has sowed. Or you think God is a debtor? That he would not repay you for every act of kindness/giving that you do. Not minding if you do it because he asked you to do it or because you are just kind.... Ooboy give yourself brain.
Maybe you don't need the money that's why you're a free giver. GOD IS NOT A DEBTOR.
....If you don't get ur reward here on earth, you would get it in the world after if you make it.

How did you come to the conclusion that God must perform his part for every act of giving you undertake? God is not indebted to anybody for their actions. It is the same God that shows kindness to the ungrateful & the wicked. You think these categories of people did anything to receive God's kindness? If you were to pay God for giving you the opportunity to counted as one of his, do you think you can complete the payment in your lifetime? God rewards if he wants to, when he wants to & how he wants to.
Re: The Prosperity Gospel Ruined My Life by Zikkyy(m): 10:32pm On Jan 17, 2013
oiseworld:
Have u ever asked why we serve God and not Live our lifes the way we want it?....Because theirs a reward, so let it stick into your head God will REWARD every good deed.

Was your decision to serve God driven by the desire to be prosperous? If that is the case, you better be concerned bout your true status with God. cos acceptance is not yours to decide. It is at God' prerogative. And I know he will not accept pretenders.
Re: The Prosperity Gospel Ruined My Life by Zikkyy(m): 10:50pm On Jan 17, 2013
oiseworld:
NAME ANY TYPE OF GIVING AND I WILL SHOW YOU HE HAS A REWARD FOR IT ALSO.... SO HOW THEN DO YOU GIVE UNCONDITIONALLY WHEN THERE'S ALREADY A REWARD ATTACHED. NOT MINDING IF YOU ARE INTERESTED OR NOT.

So tell us the reward for giving motivated by greed, the reward for those that will give only when there is profit to be made from such giving.
Re: The Prosperity Gospel Ruined My Life by oiseworld: 10:55pm On Jan 17, 2013
Zikkyy:

Was your decision to serve God driven by the desire to be prosperous? If that is the case, you better be concerned bout your true status with God. cos acceptance is not yours to decide. It is at God' prerogative. And I know he will not accept pretenders.

My reason for serving God is because he first loved me. And he showed it by sending his son to die for my sin. i can't repay his love and kindness, bt he keeps helping me. I know i am forever indepted, but he never notices it. Its a debt i can not pay not till eternity.

You get to know your status with God. I am his son and he, my Father
Re: The Prosperity Gospel Ruined My Life by oiseworld: 11:00pm On Jan 17, 2013
Zikkyy:

So tell us the reward for giving motivated by greed, the reward for those that will give only when there is profit to be made from such giving.

Oga no be so naw. "Giving motivated by greed"

lol !!!. You are missing it.
Re: The Prosperity Gospel Ruined My Life by Zikkyy(m): 11:03pm On Jan 17, 2013
oiseworld:
You claim to be a pastor following God sheepishly, have you ever stop to ask God your reward for following him. Even if you won't ask, he will tell you. He will reward all is followers and that is the basis. REWARD, REWARD, REWARD...

If u don't believe in heaven or hell, then you need not follow God... Don't bring dat I love him rubbish, it doesn't exist.

You continue to show your true colors. To think you consider one of the greatest commandment to be rubbish is just something else.

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Re: The Prosperity Gospel Ruined My Life by Zikkyy(m): 11:17pm On Jan 17, 2013
oiseworld:

Oga no be so naw. "Giving motivated by greed"

lol !!!. You are missing it.

Am not missing anything. If you give because of profit, it means you will not engage in that same transaction if there was no profit attached.
Re: The Prosperity Gospel Ruined My Life by oiseworld: 11:45pm On Jan 17, 2013
Zikkyy:

You continue to show your true colors. To think you consider one of the greatest commandment to be rubbish is just something else.

How did I show my true colours? And what did I consider rubbish.

Loving the lord ur God is second to his first loving you.
Re: The Prosperity Gospel Ruined My Life by ezme(m): 12:05am On Jan 18, 2013
oiseworld:

You claim to be a pastor following God sheepishly, have you ever stop to ask God your reward for following him. Even if you won't ask, he will tell you. He will reward all is followers and that is the basis. REWARD, REWARD, REWARD...

If u don't believe in heaven or hell, then you need not follow God... Don't bring dat I love him rubbish, it doesn't exist.

Is this what you teach in your church? sad smh

Oiseworld = YBNL
Re: The Prosperity Gospel Ruined My Life by Candour(m): 12:15am On Jan 18, 2013
@oiseworld,

from reading your posts here, i can safely conclude the following.they are actually contained in your posts but i wouldn't want to bore people by reproducing them

1.You do not believe in giving anything without getting something in return hence even a beggar had better have a repayment plan before he can benefit from you.in other words Altruism is not in your dictionary.
2.Giving to a MOG is the only giving that God recognises.
3.you need the money that is why you're not a free giver.
4.you can't prosper without 'giving' to God

I have some questions

1.how do you explain the wealth enjoyed by Bill Gates(an atheist) and Dangote(a muslim) or can we conclude that Dangote is prospering because he sows into the lives of his own MOG's(they will be imams and mallams in this case i think)? or maybe Bill gates profits by sowing into the lives of african children plenty of whom are in your church through his Bill and Melinda gates foundation?

most importantly,how does one give to God in the light of matt 25:31-46?
Re: The Prosperity Gospel Ruined My Life by oiseworld: 1:01am On Jan 18, 2013
@candour,
I have done what I can do, you guys jst continue interpreting tins the way it deems fit.

I can't help u any further.
Re: The Prosperity Gospel Ruined My Life by Candour(m): 1:24am On Jan 18, 2013
oiseworld: @candour,
I have done what I can do, you guys jst continue interpreting tins the way it deems fit.

I can't help u any further.

no problem brother.i can empathize with you @ the bolded.
Wish you all the best
Re: The Prosperity Gospel Ruined My Life by truthislight: 12:01pm On Jan 18, 2013
Joagbaje:

And what do u understand by seeking the kingdom

"And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband, "And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
"And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away." (Revelation 21:2-4)
.................

^^^

"After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.

"Thy kingdom come.

Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven. " (Matthew 6:9-10).
..................


When God's kingdom comes their will be no more dead.

"And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away." (Revelation 21:4).
.................

"And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life,

and out of the holy city,

and from the things which are written in this book." (Revelation 22:19).


"Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city." (Revelation 22:14).
Re: The Prosperity Gospel Ruined My Life by truthislight: 12:16pm On Jan 18, 2013
oiseworld: NAWA OOHHH !!!

All these atheist and their lack of understanding. Reason why they are atheist in the first place.

oya make we carry on,

let x=y.
If x is giving. And y is sowing. Then giving =sowing.

When a farmer sows in the farm, does he walk away without expecting to reap what he has sowed. Or you think God is a debtor? That he would not repay you for every act of kindness/giving that you do. Not minding if you do it because he asked you to do it or because you are just kind.... Ooboy give yourself brain.
Maybe you don't need the money that's why you're a free giver. GOD IS NOT A DEBTOR.
....If you don't get ur reward here on earth, you would get it in the world after if you make it.

Have u ever asked why we serve God and not Live our lifes the way we want it?....Because theirs a reward, so let it stick into your head God will REWARD every good deed.

.
Heb 6:10
King James Bible
For God is not unrighteous to forget your work and labour of love, which ye have shewed toward his name, in that ye have ministered to the saints, and do minister.

... tell me which of the passages you quoted there that doesn't have a reward attached.... You just want to lead people astray. With ur atheism, all of you.

Now this is the conclusion of the matter..

GOD IS THE AUTHOR OF FREELY GIVING....HE HAS A REWARD FOR IT.

GOD IS THE AUTHOR OF CONDITIONAL GIVING.... HE HAS A REWARD FOR IT.

NAME ANY TYPE OF GIVING AND I WILL SHOW YOU HE HAS A REWARD FOR IT ALSO.... SO HOW THEN DO YOU GIVE UNCONDITIONALLY WHEN THERE'S ALREADY A REWARD ATTACHED. NOT MINDING IF YOU ARE INTERESTED OR NOT.

I'll. Be back to answer others.






"That you may be the children of your Father who is in heaven: for he makes his sun to rise upon the evil and upon the good, and sends his rain on the just and on the unjust. " (Matthew 5:45).

The true God is not what you have described cause He is not partial.

His goodnes is upon all so that no one will have an excused not to obey, an as such his Judgement on them all is deserving and righteouse.

The almighty is not as pety as you.
Re: The Prosperity Gospel Ruined My Life by truthislight: 12:31pm On Jan 18, 2013
oiseworld:

@pastor kun,
Its ovious you lack basic Bible understanding. You most be an etheist hiding under the name of a pastor. They believe they evolved from apes reason why they don't understand why they at on earth.

You claim to be a pastor following God sheepishly, have you ever stop to ask God your reward for following him. Even if you won't ask, he will tell you. He will reward all is followers and that is the basis. REWARD, REWARD, REWARD...

If u don't believe in heaven or hell, then you need not follow God... Don't bring dat I love him rubbish, it doesn't exist.

@lagerwhenindoubt,
You claim pastors only take half a verse of a scipture leaving the rest because of their selfish purposes ok let's look at this.

matt 6:33
But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you.

Lets take away the upper part.
...... and all these things shall be added unto you.

I hope we are in understanding, this case are not a prefix and sufix verses like you want to think. Rather, they butress each other.

Weither he takes it from the top or from the bottom, it will end up saying the same Thing.a d passing the same message.
I hope u get me here. Another one.
2 chro 7:14
If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.

Jst humbling themselves,praying and seeking his face will automatically bring the result that follows. Even if that part was not added to the main scripture. That is the nature of God and that's how it works.
I hope I've helped u abit.
Pardon my blunders. I'll get more stripture to buttress my point.




crooks!

See what he did, a message that clearly said that one should seek/ask FIRST about the kingdom that this other things mentioned in preceding verses will be added though he was not after the additional.

But @oiseworld twisted it thus:
oiseworld:
matt 6:33
But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you.

Lets take away the upper part.
...... and all these things shall be added unto you.


fraud stars. That is what @lagerwhenindoubt say they do, cherry picking scriptures to defraud the sheeple.

Crook!
Re: The Prosperity Gospel Ruined My Life by Zikkyy(m): 3:02pm On Jan 18, 2013
^^^ Lol! grin oiseworld is after the money. am not sure he is really interested in Christ. It's all about the profit accruing from church business.

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Re: The Prosperity Gospel Ruined My Life by Zikkyy(m): 3:05pm On Jan 18, 2013
truthislight:
fraud stars. That is what @lagerwhenindoubt say they do, cherry picking scriptures to defraud the sheeple.
Crook!

@bolded, i think oiseworld is yet to achieved celebrity status grin 'Crook' will do grin

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