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Nuts And Bolts Of Spiritual Abuse by Nobody: 12:57pm On Feb 01, 2013 |
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Re: Nuts And Bolts Of Spiritual Abuse by christemmbassey(m): 2:51pm On Feb 01, 2013 |
[quote author=frosbel][/quote]permition to print and distribute pls? |
Re: Nuts And Bolts Of Spiritual Abuse by Nobody: 3:26pm On Feb 01, 2013 |
christemmbassey: permition to print and distribute pls? I quoted the source, here again in full : http://www.batteredsheep.com/nutsbolts.html There are lot's of beneficial and great articles on that site. Thanks. |
Re: Nuts And Bolts Of Spiritual Abuse by Joagbaje(m): 4:02pm On Feb 01, 2013 |
^^^^^ This article does not show there's beneficial article there . All Authority is from God . Either from government or in the church. It is only the voice of rebellion that kicks against submission to authority. Hebrews 13:17 Obey them that have the rule over you, and submit yourselves:for they watch for your souls, as they that must give account, that they may do it with joy, and not with grief:for that is unprofitable for you. |
Re: Nuts And Bolts Of Spiritual Abuse by ezme(m): 4:55pm On Feb 01, 2013 |
Joagbaje: ^^^^^ The authority of a government who got into power via rigging is from God right? I don't blame you, if your CAN president can say Dr. Uduaghan is God's chosen leader for Delta state, I don't expect you to say anything better. All authority if from God right? Tell that to the Syrian people. |
Re: Nuts And Bolts Of Spiritual Abuse by Joagbaje(m): 5:03pm On Feb 01, 2013 |
ezme: The government is a reflection of who the people are dude . God always grant a people the government they deserve. If God doesn't permit . Even rigging can't work. Romans 13:1 . . . For there is no authority except from God [by His permission, His sanction], and those that exist do so by God’s appointment.. |
Re: Nuts And Bolts Of Spiritual Abuse by ichuka(m): 5:08pm On Feb 01, 2013 |
ezme:All Authority in the universe is from one source alone |
Re: Nuts And Bolts Of Spiritual Abuse by ezme(m): 5:11pm On Feb 01, 2013 |
Joagbaje: And a faithful and just God permits rigging? |
Re: Nuts And Bolts Of Spiritual Abuse by Joagbaje(m): 6:25pm On Feb 01, 2013 |
Either rigging, coup plot , if God didn't allow ,it won't succeed. It's not about the process it's about the person and the people. Every power is of God. Even when they fight against Gods people John 19:11 Jesus answered, Thou couldest have no power at all against me, except it were given thee from above:therefore he that delivered me unto thee hath the greater sin. |
Re: Nuts And Bolts Of Spiritual Abuse by ezme(m): 6:57pm On Feb 01, 2013 |
i.chuka: Joagbaje: There is nothing that cannot be supported by the bible when we choose to use stand alone verses. |
Re: Nuts And Bolts Of Spiritual Abuse by Nobody: 10:09pm On Feb 01, 2013 |
Joagbaje: ^^^^^ rule over you does not mean Lord over you , it actually means serving the body of Christ , feeding them with the word of GOD , warning the heretics , protecting the sheep from wolves etc. The sheep of GOD are not your personal property, you are not their master, you are not their leader, you are a servant of Jesus, if indeed you are , for the purposes which I stated in the previous paragraph. "Don't lord it over the people assigned to your care, but lead them by your own good example." - 1 Peter 5:3 "Not that we lord it over your faith, but we work with you for your joy, because it is by faith you stand firm." - 2 Corinthians 1:24 Do not be deceived. |
Re: Nuts And Bolts Of Spiritual Abuse by Joagbaje(m): 7:33am On Feb 02, 2013 |
frosbel: Exactly , and who says otherwise?. Ministry is service. The teacher who cains you is still your servant . Fatherhood is still service, only rebels see it as lordship. A pastor leads , feeds ,guides ,chastened and correct ,rebuke . Hebrews 12:9 Moreover, we have had earthly fathers who disciplined us and we yielded [to them] and respected [them for training us]. Shall we not much more cheerfully submit to the Father of spirits and so [truly] live? |
Re: Nuts And Bolts Of Spiritual Abuse by christemmbassey(m): 9:38am On Feb 02, 2013 |
frosbel:QED, God bless you Sir. |
Re: Nuts And Bolts Of Spiritual Abuse by EMILO2STAY(m): 10:25am On Feb 02, 2013 |
saying a pastor leads, directs and guides our life is a false statement made only by false men of God. It is the work of the holy spirit to guide, lead and direct our life as christians. john 16:13But when he, the Spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all truth. He will not speak on his own; he will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is yet to come. |
Re: Nuts And Bolts Of Spiritual Abuse by Joagbaje(m): 11:40am On Feb 02, 2013 |
ezme:So are you saying thoses verses are lying? The bible speakers for itself |
Re: Nuts And Bolts Of Spiritual Abuse by Joagbaje(m): 11:52am On Feb 02, 2013 |
EMILO2STAY: saying a pastor leads, directs and guides our life is a false statement made only by false men of God. So what do you say about these verses then? Hebrews 13:17 Obey them that have the rule over you, and submit yourselves:for they watch for your souls, as they that must give account, that they may do it with joy, and not with grief:for that is unprofitable for you. 1 Peter 5:5 Likewise, ye younger, submit yourselves unto the elder. Yea, all of you be subject one to another, and be clothed with humility:for God resisteth the proud, and giveth grace to the humble. 1 Thessalonians 5:12-13 And we beseech you, brethren, to know them which labour among you, and are over you in the Lord, and admonish you; And to esteem them very highly in love for their work's sake. And be at peace among yourselves. You should remember that the voice of rebellion will always claim that leaders are lord. It started from Moses leadership Numbers 16:3-4 And they gathered themselves together against Moses and against Aaron, and said unto them, Ye take too much upon you, seeing all the congregation are holy, every one of them, and the Lord is among them:wherefore then lift ye up yourselves above the congregation of the Lord? And when Moses heard it, he fell upon his face: We all know how they destroyed themselves. Rebellion to spiritual leadership is demonic |
Re: Nuts And Bolts Of Spiritual Abuse by Joagbaje(m): 12:01pm On Feb 02, 2013 |
EMILO2STAY: saying a pastor leads, directs and guides our life is a false statement made only by false men of God. So what do you say about these verses then? Hebrews 13:17 Obey them that have the rule over you, and submit yourselves:for they watch for your souls, as they that must give account, that they may do it with joy, and not with grief:for that is unprofitable for you. 1 Peter 5:5 Likewise, ye younger, submit yourselves unto the elder. Yea, all of you be subject one to another, and be clothed with humility:for God resisteth the proud, and giveth grace to the humble. 1 Thessalonians 5:12-13 And we beseech you, brethren, to know them which labour among you, and are over you in the Lord, and admonish you; And to esteem them very highly in love for their work's sake. And be at peace among yourselves. You should remember that the voice of rebellion will always claim that leaders are lord. It started from Moses leadership Numbers 16:3-4 And they gathered themselves together against Moses and against Aaron, and said unto them, Ye take too much upon you, seeing all the congregation are holy, every one of them, and the Lord is among them:wherefore then lift ye up yourselves above the congregation of the Lord? And when Moses heard it, he fell upon his face: We all know how they destroyed themselves. Rebellion to spiritual leadership is demonic . Leadership is a principle in Gods kingdom. god never at any time led people directly . He does it through the sacred office of leadership |
Re: Nuts And Bolts Of Spiritual Abuse by Joagbaje(m): 12:01pm On Feb 02, 2013 |
EMILO2STAY: saying a pastor leads, directs and guides our life is a false statement made only by false men of God. So what do you say about these verses then? Hebrews 13:17 Obey them that have the rule over you, and submit yourselves:for they watch for your souls, as they that must give account, that they may do it with joy, and not with grief:for that is unprofitable for you. 1 Peter 5:5 Likewise, ye younger, submit yourselves unto the elder. Yea, all of you be subject one to another, and be clothed with humility:for God resisteth the proud, and giveth grace to the humble. 1 Thessalonians 5:12-13 And we beseech you, brethren, to know them which labour among you, and are over you in the Lord, and admonish you; And to esteem them very highly in love for their work's sake. And be at peace among yourselves. You should remember that the voice of rebellion will always claim that leaders are lord. It started from Moses leadership Numbers 16:3-4 And they gathered themselves together against Moses and against Aaron, and said unto them, Ye take too much upon you, seeing all the congregation are holy, every one of them, and the Lord is among them:wherefore then lift ye up yourselves above the congregation of the Lord? And when Moses heard it, he fell upon his face: We all know how they destroyed themselves. Rebellion to spiritual leadership is demonic . Leadership is a principle in Gods kingdom. god never at any time led people directly . He does it through the sacred office of leadership |
Re: Nuts And Bolts Of Spiritual Abuse by Nobody: 12:59pm On Feb 02, 2013 |
[quote author=Joagbaje] These are the elders of the church, deacons etc, they were taking care of the sheep of Christ, feeding them with the word of GOD , correcting false doctrine, meeting their physical needs and protecting them from ferocious wolves. These elders did not Lord it over them , they did not tell them what to believe, what to wear or what not to wear, what to eat, where to go to, who to get married to, what is truth etc etc , or how to spend their money. 1 Peter 5:5 Well the young should respect the elderly, this is common sense, it does not mean the young should bow before the elders or take their word as final authority, it means honor and respect them. 1 Thessalonians 5:12-13 Laboring among you for the propagation of the gospel , spiritual edification and building up of the church. This labor did not include, building empires and cathedrals, holding crusades worldwide, taking tithes and offerings , imposing a one MAN's vision and belief on a multitude of believers. In fact , all true Christians are laborers in the vineyard of GOD , working for the kingdom of GOD. You should remember that the voice of rebellion will always claim that leaders are lord. It started from Moses leadership Moses was the anti-type of a savior or deliverer, besides hear what the bible had to say about Moses : "(Now Moses was a very humble man, more humble than anyone else on the face of the earth.)" - Numbers 12:3 Moses was not a Lord over the multitude, he reasoned with them , prayed for them and guided them , not to his own version of the truth, but to God's own version of the truth. Moses had no hidden agenda, he had no personal interpretation of the word of GOD that was contrary to truth, he simply read the word of GOD to the people , and expected them to obey it. Very very very few so called pastors exhibit the humility of Moses, many are arrogant and proud. Stop using the word rebellion deceitfully. What CEC and other similar churches mean by rebellion is that Christians should not reject their false teachings, visions or demand for allegiance to one MAN's cause and purpose. Well I have news for you , we will rather obey God than MAN. Whether a MAN has the title of senior pastor, reverend, bishop etc with all the theological degrees in the world, if their doctrine does not match the bible truths , it must be discarded , ignored and exposed as heresy. Rebellion is when you reject the word of GOD as propagated and taught by the elders of the church . We all know how they destroyed themselves. Rebellion to spiritual leadership is demonic . Leadership is a principle in Gods kingdom. god never at any time led people directly . He does it through the sacred office of leadership Leadership in biblical terms means serving, this is the whole point, in fact there are members of your congregation who know more than you do and can advice, rebuke and even correct you. Leadership is not and should not be a camouflage for ramming your doctrines down their throats and demanding compliance and obedience. Peter was one of the head apostles but even Paul who was junior by man's standards , rebuked him openly for his prejudice against the gentiles, tell me how many pastors will stand for rebuke or correction from their members, almost none. " When Cephas came to Antioch, I opposed him to his face, because he stood condemned. 12 For before certain men came from James, he used to eat with the Gentiles. But when they arrived, he began to draw back and separate himself from the Gentiles because he was afraid of those who belonged to the circumcision group. 13 The other Jews joined him in his hypocrisy, so that by their hypocrisy even Barnabas was led astray." - Galatians 2:11-13 A pastor is not more anointed , inspired or knowledgeable than ordinary members. "and whoever would be first among you must be your slave," - Matthew 20:27 "just as the Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve, and to give his life as a ransom for many." - Matthew 20:28 " Not so with you. Instead, whoever wants to become great among you must be your servant " - Matthew 20:26 2 Likes |
Re: Nuts And Bolts Of Spiritual Abuse by christemmbassey(m): 1:45pm On Feb 02, 2013 |
[quote author=frosbel][/quote]@Frosbel, 1million likes. God bless. |
Re: Nuts And Bolts Of Spiritual Abuse by EMILO2STAY(m): 7:34pm On Feb 02, 2013 |
Joagbaje: in otherwords what are you saying, that we should follow a selfmade man of god blindly? We as christians have the bible as our instructor and any christian who seeks the word of God for guide and instruction is a true man of god according to 2 timothy 3:16-17,All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, so that the man of god may be perfect, throughly furnished in all good works. Now mr jo did u hear that!, it says that he who relies on the word of god for instruction would be made perfect in all good works. What other guide do i need as a christian. The bible advised us to trust in the word of the lord and not man that is why it says in I John 4:1 "Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits, whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world. The over 40 thousand christian church denominations today is as a result of several acclaimed men of god with several perveted doctrines of their own. |
Re: Nuts And Bolts Of Spiritual Abuse by Candour(m): 11:24am On Feb 03, 2013 |
I'm always happy whenever i see threads like this.It indicates that more of God's children are getting liberated from man made religion and getting to know more about Jesus Christ our High Priest.I tell you that it's not easy to get your mind deprogrammed after years of intensive brainwashing.It took me a whole year of studying and praying to finally acknowledge the truth that keeping some specific laws of Moses that the 'church' picked out will not lead me to God but the saving grace of God does.Imagine how hard it is for someone like my mum to come round to this idea when she has been under this dogma for considerably longer and more intense as she's the daughter of a church founder too. Let us keep telling the truth of the word so other brethren can hear and be free indeed. 1 Like |
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