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Re: Tithes And Offerings by DJHayes: 12:00am On Dec 06, 2014 |
if the reading is literal, it cannot be the Son of God. "Resemblng the Son of God" does not mean is. Literal would mean he was like the Son of God. Your argument still fails. |
Re: Tithes And Offerings by OLAADEGBU(m): 12:14am On Dec 06, 2014 |
DJHayes: Be it to you according to your faith. |
Re: Tithes And Offerings by Image123(m): 10:00am On Dec 06, 2014 |
MarkMiwerds:You also lie consistently about some delusional God's only holy tithe definition. With the same measure, it will be meted to you. Beware. |
Re: Tithes And Offerings by DJHayes: 11:07am On Dec 06, 2014 |
Image123:so you think God is delusional, eh? I think it is you who should beware. Leviticus 27:30 (KJV) 30 And all the tithe of the land, [whether] of the seed of the land, [or] of the fruit of the tree, [is] the LORD'S: [it is] holy unto the LORD. Leviticus 27:31 (KJV) 31 And if a man will at all redeem [ought] of his tithes, he shall add thereto the fifth [part] thereof. Leviticus 27:32 (KJV) 32 And concerning the tithe of the herd, or of the flock, [even] of whatsoever passeth under the rod, the tenth shall be holy unto the LORD. Leviticus 27:33 (KJV) 33 He shall not search whether it be good or bad, neither shall he change it: and if he change it at all, then both it and the change thereof shall be holy; it shall not be redeemed. He did say, " ALL THE TITHE OF THE LAND," did He not? Yes, I believe He did. Last time I checked, the word "all" meant "entirety". Deuteronomy 12:8 (KJV) 8 Ye shall not do after all [the things] that we do here this day, every man whatsoever [is] right in his own eyes. God said the entirety of His holy tithe was agricultural. If you are trying to refer back to Abram's tithe, need I remind you that nowhere in the text concerning that tithe does it say that that tithe was "holy"? Obviously, because Abram's tithe was the property of a pagan king, it was not holy. God never called it holy. And God said that the Israelites were not to tithe until the crossed Jordan. The tithe then was to be observed, and was then called holy. And under the Law, the Israelites could not offer anything as tithe but that which God decreed to be titheable... agricultural produce and livestock. Since Mark's post is totally supported by the Word of God, it is clear he is not lying. Your accusations against him are unwarranted. 4 Likes |
Re: Tithes And Offerings by Nobody: 4:24pm On Dec 06, 2014 |
@Rossik u hav all these knowledge u keep quite seeing these christains telling us lies. tell me if satan does as much as these. thanks jare |
Re: Tithes And Offerings by Nobody: 4:48pm On Dec 06, 2014 |
Image123 first the equation is no assumption as u call it. it is fact that means that food is cheaper than jet. if a man is in charge of 5 talents he made extra 5 talents then is the same as a man that is in charge of 3 talents & made extra 3 talents both of them will be equally rewarded, hailed &honoured becos they both made 100% each. Let assume that a jet cost 5 talents & the man that made 5 talents spent all his profit to buy the jet and the other guy whose talents is just 3 cant afford to buy a jet but he spent his 3 talents on luxiries that can give good confort as much as he who bought jet then it would be seen & treated as he who bought jet.both will rejected & cast into first grade hell fire of 1500 degree censius |
Re: Tithes And Offerings by Nobody: 5:06pm On Dec 06, 2014 |
I dont hav to work on my gramar as far as someone understands me but u owe ur life some job i mean u are very poor when it comes to logical/critical reasoning if not u would hav known that it is easier for the guy that buried his talent to receive mercy than for the guys that made extra 100% & spent it on confort. There are some pastors who dont have jet only becos their talent isnt enough to buy jet but because they wanted it & they bought luxry that is closed to jet ( multimillion cars) they will be treated like those that bought jets. they couldnt afford food into the house of God but jets |
Re: Tithes And Offerings by Nobody: 5:19pm On Dec 06, 2014 |
Here is my advce 4u. if u attend a church whose general overseer uses jet let the imediate junior pastors also steal the church money to buy big cars let the downward like that til the parish pastors. if the parish pastors are not in charge of money that can buy big cars let them steal to buy tokunbo car or maruwa or okada. let the workes & members steal church money to buy laptop,ipad,iphone, food etc why? everybody should have right to GOD's money. Does ur brain work at all? |
Re: Tithes And Offerings by OLAADEGBU(m): 1:55am On Dec 07, 2014 |
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Re: Tithes And Offerings by brocab: 3:31am On Dec 07, 2014 |
The lord says: 1 Timothy 1-3 follow no another doctrine nor give heed to fables and endless genealogies, which cause disputes rather than Godly edification which is in faith. Now the purpose of the commandment is love from a pure heart. from which some having strayed, have turned aside to idle talk, desiring to be teachers of the law, understanding neither what they say nor the things which they affirm. But we know that the law is good if one uses it lawfully, knowing this:that the law is not made for a righteous person, but for the lawless and insubordinate-{Disobedient to authority} for the ungodly and for sinners, for the unholy and profane-{Not respectful of religious practice} for murders of fathers and murders of mothers, for manslaughters. for fornicators-{Adulterer} for sodomites-{Having axxx sex with another} for kidnappers for liars, for perjurers-{False witness} Back in the Old testament people would follow the law on tithing, sacrificing and give an offering for the remissions of these sins yearly. Romans 6:23 clearly says: Jesus had paid the penalty for our sins, for the wages of sin is death. But these day's we hear of prosperity preachers and pastors twisting these old laws, not sacrificing, but choosing to walk against Christ, by twisting and turning these verses leading God's people away from the bible, these preachers are proud knowing nothing but is obsessed with disputes and arguments over words, from which come envy, strife, reviling, evil suspicions. useless wrangling men of corrupt minds and destitute of the truth, who suppose that Godliness is the means of Gain-{Money} FROM SUCH WITHDRAW YOURSELVES. These preachers are known as wolves in sheep clothing who will twist and use the bible as a tool to retrieve only monies.. Get away from them, they are leading you to Hell. 1 Timothy 2:8 Men and Women in the church, Therefore I desire that the men pray everywhere, lifting up holy hands without wrath and doubting; In like manner also that the women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with propriety and moderation, not with braided hair or gold or pearls or costly clothing. But, which is proper for a women professing godliness, with good works, let a women learn in silence with all submission. And I do not permit a women to teach or to have authority over a man, but to be in silence. {Many of today's women preachers are prosperity preachers} leading large churches, building their kingdoms on earth. And God's people sit back allowing the Antichrist to change this new doctrine. 1 Timothy 3:This is a faithful saying: for if a man desires the position of a bishop-{Pastor-Preacher-priest} he desires a good work. A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, temperate, sober minded, of good behaviour, hospitable, able to teach. Not given to wine, not violent, not GREEDY FOR MONEY, but gentle, not quarrelsome , not covetous. One who rules his own house, well having his children in submission with all reverence. {For if a man does not know how to rule his own house how will he take care of a Church}. 1 Timothy 6:17, Command those who are rich in this present age not to be haughty, nor to trust in uncertain riches but in the living God, who gives us richly all things to enjoy. Let them do good, that they be rich in good works, READY TO GIVE, WILLING TO SHARE. Storing up for themselves a good foundation for the time to come, that they may lay hold of eternal life. Can anyone name a church that follows these laws |
Re: Tithes And Offerings by OLAADEGBU(m): 2:54pm On Dec 08, 2014 |
The Mystery of Melchisedek solved: http://www.cgg.org/index.cfm/fuseaction/library.sr/ct/hwa/k/745/mystery-melchizedek-solved.htm |
Re: Tithes And Offerings by DJHayes: 5:24pm On Dec 08, 2014 |
OLAADEGBU:Wow! Going to rely on a WWCoG article rather than the Bible, eh? Sad. The article says Jesus was not God's Son until He was born of the Virgin Mary. That is pure foolishness. The Bible says God sent His Son into the world. He was the Son before being born of the virgin. You will remain in error as long as you keep looking to worldly-minded commentators, rather than the truth. 2 Likes |
Re: Tithes And Offerings by OLAADEGBU(m): 6:42pm On Dec 08, 2014 |
DJHayes: Is that the only thing you could point out in the article. If you must deflect from the main issue you should place it in it's context. Jesus can be said to be the Son of God depending on the context. He is the Son of God by eternal generation (Heb.1:3), He is also the Son of God by miraculous conception (Heb.1:5) which was the context in which the article you are referring to used. Jesus can also be said to be the Son of God when referring to His bodily resurrection (Acts 13:33; Psalm 2:7; Rom.1:4). This is why you shouldn't take one verse and run with it without comparing it with the rest of the Scriptures. Now, what have you learnt from the solved mystery of Melchisedek as revealed in the Scriptures? |
Re: Tithes And Offerings by MarkMiwerds(m): 7:12pm On Dec 08, 2014 |
OLAADEGBU:It was already pointed out that Melchizedek and Christ could not have been the same, Olaa. DJ did not need to point out what was already pointed out. Melchizedek was made like unto the Son of God. The phrase "like unto" is used 37 times in the KJV New Testament Scriptures. Each time prior to Hebrews 7:3, it is used to show comparison between two different subjects. "Heaven... like unto... leaven" "Heaven... like unto... net", etc.. It is not the net, it is not the leaven, but is compared to such. Hebrews 7 is no different. It compares two historical figures... Melchisedec and the Son of God. Melchisededec was not the Son of God, he was compared to Him. And as DJ so rightly pointed out, Jesus was God's Son prior to the virgin birth. It is funny that you tell DJ not to take one verse and run with it, when that is exactly what you are guilty of doing. You are trying to make Hebrews 7:3 say what it does not by running with it and relying on fallible commentaries to agree with your error. 1 Like |
Re: Tithes And Offerings by OLAADEGBU(m): 9:19pm On Dec 08, 2014 |
MarkMiwerds: Pointed out by who, you, old prophet? MarkMiwerds: How did Melchisedek become the King of Righteousness, the King of Peace and continue to abide as a priest forever? MarkMiwerds: Are you saying that He took up flesh and blood before His miraculous conception? MarkMiwerds: Yes, Jesus was not only the Son of God by eternal generation as I had earlier stated He was also declared to be the Son of God by His bodily resurrection in case you don't know. |
Re: Tithes And Offerings by Image123(m): 12:18am On Dec 09, 2014 |
DJHayes: What i referred to as delusional was the God's only holy tithe definition that Mark propagates. Comprehend? NO ONE is contesting ALL THE TITHE OF THE LAND. What we have simply and straightly contested is the addition "ONLY" which changes the context. For instance, i believe that Jesus is the ONLY way, my perspective is different from the random religious person in Lagos that believes all religions lead to God. ONLY has not changed in meaning. In Deut 12v8, the Israelites were in the wilderness and were not tithing there. Don't twist that passage to refer to tithes again. Again, we are not under the law so stop prescribing it to us(even though you naively missed the import and interpretation). The principle of the tithe is so plain that it takes so much twist and letter for the common man to miss it. It is akin to the principle of Jesus as the Lamb or as Adam(last Adam). Jesus is the our passover lamb but not an animal. The passover lamb was offered by each family and sprinkled on each door post. The lamb wasn't necessarily crucified etc. In God's eyes the same principle however applies, Jesus is our paschal Lamb that takes our sins away. Jesus is the last Adam. In the similitude of Adam, He is the beginning of God's creation as it were. He doesn't however have to live in a garden or have a physical wife or be created, He was born etc. In the same principle, the tithe is simply a tenth and the Holy Spirit through the Bible recognises it so. He refers to Abraham's tithe, Leviticus tithe, pharisee tithe etc as simply tithe which is 1/10. It doesn't say any one is unholy or make silly demarcations as monetary tithe and other such seminary terms. Go and start reading your Bible instead of listening to Mark. |
Re: Tithes And Offerings by vooks: 6:53am On Dec 09, 2014 |
In Corinthians, we have the principle of tithes expounded 1 Corinthians 9:13-14 King James Version (KJV) 13 Do ye not know that they which minister about holy things live of the things of the temple? and they which wait at the altar are partakers with the altar? 14 Even so hath the Lord ordained that they which preach the gospel should live of the gospel. But note this applies not just to tithes but every offering that the priests ATE. So the principle is not a legalistic 10% which goes against Pauline formula of without compulsion and as you purpose in your heart, but in serving ministers of the gospel. Anybody supporting ministers is living out the principle of tithing but modern Pharisee who brag before God that they are not as other men think they are living out the principle when they give 10% of their income and nobody else is. They like gloating Image123: 1 Like |
Re: Tithes And Offerings by DJHayes: 6:59pm On Dec 09, 2014 |
I have read my Bible, and am quite sure it says all the tithe is holy. I also know that God said all the tithe was agriculture. So, you are wrong. If all the tithe is holy and agriculture as the Bible says, then Naira cannot be tithe. God's Word is no lie. He said His holy tithe is animals and vegetation. He is my source of truth, you are not. You try to mislead. You try to make God's truth into I lie. I reject that. 4 Likes |
Re: Tithes And Offerings by DJHayes: 7:02pm On Dec 09, 2014 |
And I have done no twisting of Deuteronomy 12:8. When read in conteaxt (with its surrounding verses, it clearly is speaking of tithe. 1 Like |
Re: Tithes And Offerings by Image123(m): 8:35pm On Dec 09, 2014 |
DJHayes: Clearly, we have nothing to discuss. I don't have time for aimless argument. |
Re: Tithes And Offerings by DJHayes: 9:25pm On Dec 09, 2014 |
No, instead your goal is to teach a tithe that is not supported by the Word of God. 3 Likes |
Re: Tithes And Offerings by OLAADEGBU(m): 6:27pm On Dec 15, 2014 |
OLAADEGBU:
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Re: Tithes And Offerings by MarkMiwerds(m): 10:21pm On Dec 15, 2014 |
OLAADEGBU:There is an old saying, "Tell a lie often enough, the gullible will accept it as truth." So many have told the lie that "Melchizedek/Melchisedec was Jesus Christ" for so long that the gullible have accepted it as truth. The fact is, it is not truth, as the text clearly states. Melchisedec was made "like unto" the Son of God. "Like unto" denotes comparison. Melchisedec was being compared to the Son of God in Hebrews 7. If they were one and the same person, "like unto" would not have been present in the text. 3 Likes |
Re: Tithes And Offerings by vooks: 6:27am On Dec 16, 2014 |
Food for thought. If the first time Jesus walked on earth he had no mother or father, what was the need of having at least a mother when he came to save us? MarkMiwerds: 1 Like |
Re: Tithes And Offerings by OLAADEGBU(m): 11:26am On Jun 02, 2015 |
vooks: THOUGHT FOR THE DAY: "It is virtuous to give of your best to the service of the Most High" |
Re: Tithes And Offerings by MarkMiwerds(m): 3:26am On Jun 21, 2015 |
Thought for the day...
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Re: Tithes And Offerings by OLAADEGBU(m): 11:12am On Jul 14, 2015 |
Higher Everyday TUESDAY, JULY 14, 2015 PAY YOUR VOWS "Offer unto God thanksgiving; and pay thy vows unto the most High" (Psalm 50:14). As the wealthy oil tycoon lay on his deathbed, his pastor talked to him of God's healing power. "Pastor," he gasped, "if God heals me, I'll give the church a million dollars." Miraculously, the man was revived and within a few weeks, he was out of the hospital. Several months later, the following chat ensued between him and the pastor: "You know," the pastor said, "when you were in the hospital dying, you promised to give the church a million dollars if you got well. We haven't got it yet." "Did I say that?" the tycoon asked. "I guess that goes to show how sick I really was!" The tycoon’s response shows that he did not make his vow from a sincere heart, and was not ready to redeem it after God had healed him. Many youths make vows that they hardly keep. Yet, paying your vow is a command from God. Do not make any vow if you think you cannot fulfill it. • Challenge: "Avoid any vow if you are not ready to redeem it" • Prayer: "God, help me not to make any vow out of desperation" • Quote: "Vow and redeem it" • Further Reading: Psalm 116:13, 14 See more at: |
Re: Tithes And Offerings by PastorKun(m): 1:49pm On Jul 14, 2015 |
OLAADEGBU: You still haven't repented from this your church business racket |
Re: Tithes And Offerings by OLAADEGBU(m): 11:26am On Jul 15, 2015 |
PastorKun: Pay your vows, don't let avarice make you be like that rich oil tychoon. |
Re: Tithes And Offerings by brocab: 12:14pm On Jul 15, 2015 |
What vows are you talking about? OLAADEGBU: |
Re: Tithes And Offerings by PastorKun(m): 12:35pm On Jul 15, 2015 |
OLAADEGBU: But i didn't make any vows now |
Re: Tithes And Offerings by PastorKun(m): 12:38pm On Jul 15, 2015 |
OLAADEGBU: On a more serious note stories like this gives the impression that you can pay for God's blessings and to say the truth it is contrary to biblical teachings and christian beliefs. Churches just peddle these kind of tails to get people to give more money to them and this in reality is contrary to the will of God. 1 Like |
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