Insightful piece! That's one objective teacher.

PalmTree: Insightful piece! That's one objective teacher.

Yep, the truth is that helping others and doing good should be done from the heart and not a religious duty.

one should be an atheist when doing good. Dont do it because your religion tells you so, do it because the deed is good...from your heart

Logicboy03:

Yep, the truth is that helping others and doing good should be done from the heart and not a religious duty.

one should be an atheist when doing good. Dont do it because your religion tells you so, do it because the deed is good...from your heart

Like morals before religion kinda stuff? As an individual I do things according to my conscience, objectivity in all things

PalmTree:

Like morals before religion kinda stuff? As an individual I do things according to my conscience, objectivity in all things

Yes

You know Logicboy, I'm gonna have to agree with you on this, but let me bring this perspective, if we allow our conscience and morals to attain optimum functionality, we might be one step in the right direction to achieving global world peace! If my pastor tells me to do what conflicts with my conscience or my imam tells me to blow some building up, I should be able to discern on my own... Hmmm, the question is would we?

PalmTree: You know Logicboy, I'm gonna have to agree with you on this, but let me bring this perspective, if we allow our conscience and morals to attain optimum functionality, we might be one step in the right direction to achieving global world peace! If my pastor tells me to do what conflicts with my conscience or my imam tells me to blow some building up, I should be able to discern on my own... Hmmm, the question is would we?

But then, both the bible and Quran have violent passages......

Logicboy03:

But then, both the bible and Quran have violent passages......

You obviously ignored the part where I said "allowing our conscience attain optimal functionality"?

True talk. I agree with u

PalmTree:

You obviously ignored the part where I said "allowing our conscience attain optimal functionality"?

okay..no probs

tobechi20: True talk. I agree with u

Are you a christian?

Nonsense.You watch porn,support gay relationship or probably gay yourself,maybe you support bestiality and child porn (cos u atheists have no standard).You are free to fight,kill,seduce,steal and all what not and at the end u give a needy person a helping hand and score/applaud yourself as of good morals.U'll realise too late that there's hardly any true morals outside christ & that christianity(not judaism) among many religions have the highest standard of righteousness even if majority of followers do not adhere to them.I don't regard the evil replies of atheists & only answer them when I deem it necessary.

Neddivine: Nonsense.You watch porn,support gay relationship or probably gay yourself,maybe you support bestiality and child porn (cos u atheists have no standard).You are free to fight,kill,seduce,steal and all what not and at the end u give a needy person a helping hand and score/applaud yourself as of good morals.U'll realise too late that there's hardly any true morals outside christ & that christianity(not judaism) among many religions have the highest standard of righteousness even if majority of followers do not adhere to them.I don't regard the evil replies of atheists & only answer them when I deem it necessary.

What is the difference between this poster and a person that has run mad from syphilis?

Nonsense.You watch p.ornography,support gay relationship or probably gay yourself,maybe you support bestiality and child p.ornography & se.xual molestation (cos u atheists have no standard).You are free to fight,kill,seduce,steal and all what not and at the end u give a needy person a helping hand and score/applaud yourself as of good morals.U'll realise too late that there's hardly any true morals outside christ & that christianity(not judaism) among many religions have the highest standard of righteousness even if majority of followers do not adhere to them.I don't regard the evil replies of atheists & only answer them when I deem it necessary.

Neddivine: Nonsense.You watch p.ornography,support gay relationship or probably gay yourself,maybe you support bestiality and child p.ornography & se.xual molestation (cos u atheists have no standard).You are free to fight,kill,seduce,steal and all what not and at the end u give a needy person a helping hand and score/applaud yourself as of good morals.U'll realise too late that there's hardly any true morals outside christ & that christianity(not judaism) among many religions have the highest standard of righteousness even if majority of followers do not adhere to them.I don't regard the evil replies of atheists & only answer them when I deem it necessary.

Odi agu!

Bélla3: Odi agu!

lmao


You sure say Nedivine is not Helen UKpabio with this religious blasting?

Besides God did not create athiests.God made man in His holy image and some decided to turn themselves to hard core,ungodly.evil,wicked,God hating atheists,satanists.Such as are found so many on Nairaland.

Concerning the OP, years ago, my friend dragged me to a church. I went reluctantly but the sermon was somewhat related to the OP.

The pastor preached about faith and how unbelievers (not necessarily atheists) had more faith than christians.

He went on about people gathering money to leave the country by trekking through North Africa (Morocco and Libya to be exact) and how after having seen dehydration and death, they get repatriated and still, they look for money to embark on that journey. He said its their faith that makes them keep coming up for beatdowns. The faith that things will get better once they leave the country.

Being a pastor, he couldnt help but relate it to tithes and offering: how people dont have enough faith and how they prefer to give excuses of how their businesses are suffering and how they need the money to progress.

Punchline: unbelievers would "rag" that money somehow with the belief that "e go better" but God's own wont give to him, instead they would make excuses rather than sow a seed.

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jayriginal: Concerning the OP, years ago, my friend dragged me to a church. I went reluctantly but the sermon was somewhat related to the OP.

The pastor preached about faith and how unbelievers (not necessarily atheists) had more faith than christians.

He went on about people gathering money to leave the country by trekking through North Africa (Morocco and Libya to be exact) and how after having seen dehydration and death, they get repatriated and still they look for money to embark on that journey. He said its their faith that makes them keep coming up for beatdowns. The faith that things will get better once they leave the country.

Being a pastor, he couldnt help relate it to tithe and offering and how people dont have enough faith and how they prefer to give excuses of how their businesses are suffering and how they need the money to progress.

Punchline: unbelievers would "rag" that money somehow with the belief that "e go better" but God's own wont give to him, instead they would make excuses rather than sow a seed.

lol...that story is a good story for sucking out tithes!

Logicboy03:



lol...that story is a good story for sucking out tithes!

Well like I used to tell people then, I'd make a good pastor but I'm not evil enough .

Purist !!!!

jayriginal: Purist !!!!

Purist?

jayriginal: Purist !!!!

lol... you caught me there. How are you doing bro?

Logicboy03:

Purist?

He caught me lurking.

Logicboy03:


lmao


You sure say Nedivine is not Helen UKpabio with this religious blasting?

Lol

Purist:

lol... you caught me there. How are you doing bro?

I'm great oh. Good to hear from you.

^^^^^
Lol @ pm....

Christians have elaborate code of moral conduct outlined through God in the scriptures.This along with the love of God and/or fear of eternal punishment restrains true n genuine xtians from doing evil even when they're close to death,pushed to the wall or under severe pressure.Where is the code of moral conduct of atheists.They have none.Once they reject existence of God they're free to indulge whatever is appealing to them no matter how ungodly.They have no definition of what is evil.Such can say evil is in your mind-nothing is evil, & "As long as it feels good do it".Knowing this gives atheism a bad name few of them decide to follow a form of half backed morals where they can secretly indulge sensual & ungodly desires & openly engage in some good works so people can say atheists are not bad after all.Face the truth: according to the Almighty God, go ahead and do all the petty self seeking good works/morals but as long as u still tell lies,steal(including with pen or internet),indulge immoral thoughts n lusts,extra marital affairs & immoral affairs,malice,smoking,drinking,fraud,cheating,fighting,cursing,p.ornography,support the evils of the ungodly & such like your good works are useless & filty rags before the holy eyes of the Almighty God.God's standard is total withdrawal from sin amidst righteous morals & conduct.Go ahead & show us any atheists that has good morals & does not at the same time secretly or openly wilfully indulge any or most of above I listed.If its not of Christ it can never be total because only christ can give the grace of total & complete purity.

Logicboy03:

Are you a christian?

yeah, am a christian, a catholic

Neddivine: Christians have elaborate code of moral conduct outlined through God in the scriptures.This along with the love of God and/or fear of eternal punishment restrains true n genuine xtians from doing evil even when they're close to death,pushed to the wall or under severe pressure.Where is the code of moral conduct of atheists.They have none.Once they reject existence of God they're free to indulge whatever is appealing to them no matter how ungodly.They have no definition of what is evil.Such can say evil is in your mind-nothing is evil, & "As long as it feels good do it".Knowing this gives atheism a bad name few of them decide to follow a form of half backed morals where they can secretly indulge sensual & ungodly desires & openly engage in some good works so people can say atheists are not bad after all.Face the truth: according to the Almighty God, go ahead and do all the petty self seeking good works/morals but as long as u still tell lies,steal(including with pen or internet),indulge immoral thoughts n lusts,extra marital affairs & immoral affairs,malice,smoking,drinking,fraud,cheating,fighting,cursing,p.ornography,support the evils of the ungodly & such like your good works are useless & filty rags before the holy eyes of the Almighty God.God's standard is total withdrawal from sin amidst righteous morals & conduct.Go ahead & show us any atheists that has good morals & does not at the same time secretly or openly wilfully indulge any or most of above I listed.If its not of Christ it can never be total because only christ can give the grace of total & complete purity.

Chrstian complete moral conduct;


Titus 2:9
"Teach slaves to be subject to their masters in everything, to try to please them, not to talk back to them"

1 Peter 2:18
"Slaves, submit yourselves to your masters with all respect, not only to those who are good and considerate, but also to those who are harsh."

Col 3:22
"Slaves, obey your earthly masters in everything; and do it, not only when their eye is on you and to win their favor, but with sincerity of heart and reverence for the Lord."

1 Cor 7:21-22
"21 Were you a slave when you were called? Don't let it trouble you—although if you can gain your freedom, do so.
22 For he who was a slave when he was called by the Lord is the Lord's freedman; similarly, he who was a free man when he was called is Christ's slave."

Eph 6:5
"Slaves, obey your earthly masters with respect and fear, and with sincerity of heart, just as you would obey Christ."

@Logicboy, the most moral people I have met were atheist or rather close to atheism, and the most devious were christians.

My survival guard always goes up around christians. There is nothing christlike with 99.9% of them, esp the ones on nairaland. They should be named devilians.

See how they profess christ, meanwhile their mouths abi na hands, is worse than a septic tank.