@witness
I'm refering to the number 2.The Bible doesn't justify ignorance(see Leviticus 4).
Eph 4:17 This I say therefore, and testify in the Lord, that you should not walk from now on as other nations walk, in the vanity of their mind,
Eph 4:18 having the understanding darkened, being alienated from the life of God through the ignorance that is in them, because of the blindness of their heart.

First and foremost , I have to say that its not right to take an hypothetical stand that goes contrary to what the bible is saying , simply because it means that one either believes the bible would change or that one believes that the doctrine of men is superior to what the bible has already finalised and given us a decision.

That bible clearly does not condemn the wearing of trousers, hence the hypothetical case of saying what if female trousers are wrong , is a dangerous territory to thread, for a Christian. As it would nonetheless lead to doctrines of men (which is either in conflict or in agreement with the bible , nonetheless it would still be doctrines of men)

Anyway let me still try and answer the hypothetical question put forward as best as I can using the bible:

I'm refering to the number 2.The Bible doesn't justify ignorance(see Leviticus 4).
Eph 4:17 This I say therefore, and testify in the Lord, that you should not walk from now on as other nations walk, in the vanity of their mind,
Eph 4:18 having the understanding darkened, being alienated from the life of God through the ignorance that is in them, because of the blindness of their heart.

Yes, you are right, I know Ignorance is not an excuse, hence why i likewise have little problem answering the question properly. I am wrong to suggest that a christian can commit a sin in ignorance. (assuming the hypothetical assumption that wearing of trousers is a sin, which it actually is not)

Also I want to ask and believe that the questions is expected to be answered on the basis that we are talking about Christians and not unbelievers.

Now let me use the issue of whether Christians should eat meat sacrifised to idols or not, the bible makes it clear that:

1. Christians should eat the meat, when they already have strong faith that idols are false gods hence the eating of the meat is not even sin in the first place . (check the bible verses below for biblical prove for this stand)

2. Christians should not eat the meat when other Christians still have a weak faith that considers eating of the meat as being sinful, (also check the bible verses below for biblical prove for this stand)

For example the following verses says that meat offered to idols is sin, hence a Christians whose faith says that its sin, would thus be committing sin by doing:


Act 15:28 For it seemed good to the Holy Ghost, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things;
Act 15:29 That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well.

Yet on the other hand in the following verses, Paul clearly makes us to understaand that the meat offered to idols is not sin, but that Christians with strong faith should only abstain from eating such a meat provided other Christians with weaker faith still consider it to be a sin.


1Co 8:4 As concerning therefore the eating of those things that are offered in sacrifice unto idols, we know that an idol is nothing in the world, and that there is none other God but one.
1Co 8:5 For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,)
1Co 8:6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.
1Co 8:7 Howbeit there is not in every man that knowledge: for some with conscience of the idol unto this hour eat it as a thing offered unto an idol; and their conscience being weak is defiled.
1Co 8:8 But meat commendeth us not to God: for neither, if we eat, are we the better; neither, if we eat not, are we the worse.
1Co 8:9 But take heed lest by any means this liberty of yours become a stumblingblock to them that are weak.
1Co 8:10 For if any man see thee which hast knowledge sit at meat in the idol's temple, shall not the conscience of him which is weak be emboldened to eat those things which are offered to idols;
1Co 8:11 And through thy knowledge shall the weak brother perish, for whom Christ died?
1Co 8:12 But when ye sin so against the brethren, and wound their weak conscience, ye sin against Christ.
1Co 8:13 Wherefore, if meat make my brother to offend, I will eat no flesh while the world standeth, lest I make my brother to offend.


So you i consider and believe that it still does not matter later on even if "men" decide that wearing of trousers is wrong, simply because the bible has already settled the fact that its wearing is not wrong as such the decision of a Christian to wear it is not dependent on what the general consensus is , but rather its is completely dependent on what the bible says and has settled.

So I am sorry to say that: the What if option cannot even occure in the first place, hence its is settled for a Christian who has the faith that wearing of the trousers (whether female or otherwise) is not sin,

@ IMANI
"Don't just come and tell us "what God is tryin to say in this verse is love your neighbour.although the verse says do not steal,note that the thief is poor and he did not shoot the victim,he just collected his moni".Such analogy does not erase the point of the verse lasiefaire"
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I didn't get what you meant with that, I just could not figure out the point - mind breaking it down? < I never mentioned anything about the Neighbour, so I know what you wrote there is based on an Assumption, which might be wrong if I had the chance to give my interpreation of the said verse>
- so, stop being technical and inferring what I never said.

Read 1 corinthians chapter 11 verse 1 - 16.
It talks about what I referenced, that is, Women covering their head. Paul  explained the doctrine of covering one's head in church ( women ) and men Keeping long hairs. < read it>
but what I want to point out to you is Verse 16 and i quote the KJV " But if any man seems to be contentious, we have no such customs, neither the church of God"
This saying by Paul leaves a space for one's interpretation within the scope of righteousness.
The holy spirit is to help one stay within that scope of righteousness, "One's interpretation" makes one choose where he or she stands within such scope.

@Lasiefaire
sorry for the technical lessons.I'll try my best to xplain.you no its like david committing adultery and the prophet Nathan comes talking to him about the story of a poor man,his children,a lamb,his rich neighbour and a visitor.
my point was about the post you made on 'transvestite'.I was saying lets not be like the thief who uses his explanation and excuses to overshadow the fact that he violated a law.lets not allow the possible explanation of the 22v5 text to overshadow the command of the text. your post said something like this

LASIEFAIRE:

I found this on a website, I feel it's quite detailed and really helpful

In the KJV Deuteronomy 22:5 reads, "The issah (woman) shall not wear that which pertaineth unto a geber (man), neither shall a geber (man) put on a issah's (woman's) garment: for all that do so are abomination unto the Lord thy God."

Given this evidence it is my opinion that what God finds detestable is the putting on of clothing belonging to the opposite sex in order to submerge one's gender and take on another; to become a transvestite. This verse is not condemning men who dress as women as a lark in a play or women who wear pants for riding horses etc., persons who are doing these things are not submerging their true genders, they are still male and female. It's the act of becoming a transvestite that God hates.

thats itonce again sorry if you don't understand,I'll try to be clearer in future

@Lasiefaire
On 1Corinth11v16.there are two commas to wat you posted.One,if the verse means wat you say it means(i.e that were no customs concerning men hair and hair covering in the church),it does not apply for every scripture or every verse/law that each one now has his own opinion or intepretation to every verse.It only applies to the passage.

@lasiefaire
Two,I think what the verse is saying is contention is not a custom of the christian church.They are sheep,not goat.They obey almost dumbly like a lamb (Isaiah53) whatever God says/wants.The Bible refers to the contentious as unrighteousness who are waiting for the anger of God.Rom 2:8 But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath,

Maybe if the Nigerian govt read some of the idiotic threads made by her citizens they'd provide more jobs.

meaning ?

@witness

Witness:

First and foremost , I have to say that its not right to take an hypothetical stand that goes contrary to what the bible is saying , simply because it means that one either believes the bible would change or that one believes that the doctrine of men is superior to what the bible has already finalised and given us a decision.

That bible clearly does not condemn the wearing of trousers, hence the hypothetical case of saying what if female trousers are wrong , is a dangerous territory to thread, for a Christian. As it would nonetheless lead to doctrines of men (which is either in conflict or in agreement with the bible , nonetheless it would still be doctrines of men)

the Bible does not condemn drug addiction either but there are verses that infer that it would have condemned addiction if the scriptures were written today.It also seems to be silent on internet scam,piracy,pornography etcJoh 16:12  I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now.
Joh 16:13  Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will show you things to come.
Joh 16:14  He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall show it unto you.

Witness:

Also I want to ask and believe that the questions is expected to be answered on the basis that we are talking about Christians and not unbelievers.

Now let me use the issue of whether Christians should eat meat sacrifised to idols or not, the bible makes it clear that:

1. Christians should eat the meat, when they already have strong faith that idols are false gods hence the eating of the meat is not even sin in the first place . (check the bible verses below for biblical prove for this stand)

2. Christians should not eat the meat when other Christians still have a weak faith that considers eating of the meat as being sinful, (also check the bible verses below for biblical prove for this stand)

For example the following verses says that meat offered to idols is sin, hence a Christians whose faith says that its sin, would thus be committing sin by doing:


Act 15:28 For it seemed good to the Holy Ghost, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things;
Act 15:29 That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well.

Yet on the other hand in the following verses, Paul clearly makes us to understaand that the meat offered to idols is not sin, but that Christians with strong faith should only abstain from eating such a meat provided other Christians with weaker faith still consider it to be a sin.


1Co 8:4 As concerning therefore the eating of those things that are offered in sacrifice unto idols, we know that an idol is nothing in the world, and that there is none other God but one.
1Co 8:5 For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,)
1Co 8:6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.
1Co 8:7 Howbeit there is not in every man that knowledge: for some with conscience of the idol unto this hour eat it as a thing offered unto an idol; and their conscience being weak is defiled.
1Co 8:8 But meat commendeth us not to God: for neither, if we eat, are we the better; neither, if we eat not, are we the worse.
1Co 8:9 But take heed lest by any means this liberty of yours become a stumblingblock to them that are weak.
1Co 8:10 For if any man see thee which hast knowledge sit at meat in the idol's temple, shall not the conscience of him which is weak be emboldened to eat those things which are offered to idols;
1Co 8:11 And through thy knowledge shall the weak brother perish, for whom Christ died?
1Co 8:12 But when ye sin so against the brethren, and wound their weak conscience, ye sin against Christ.
1Co 8:13 Wherefore, if meat make my brother to offend, I will eat no flesh while the world standeth, lest I make my brother to offend.


So you i consider and believe that it still does not matter later on even if "men" decide that wearing of trousers is wrong, simply because the bible has already settled the fact that its wearing is not wrong as such the decision of a Christian to wear it is not dependent on what the general consensus is , but rather its is completely dependent on what the bible says and has settled.

So I am sorry to say that: the What if option cannot even occure in the first place, hence its is settled for a Christian who has the faith that wearing of the trousers (whether female or otherwise) is not sin,

whew,Bro Witness.you must like maths more than english.I see.some of the sentences you typed in this quote above are grammatically tough for me,but anyway to me,I'm not sure that permission to eat meat offered to idols is permission to wear any sort of clothing(good or bad).
I'll not like to deviate from the main topic but pls let me say the Bible does not encourage christians to eat meat sacrificed to idols 'when they have strong faith. . . '.If anything,it discourages eating of meat offered to idols.1cor8 explains the reason why the christian shouldn't eat as commanded earlier(Acts 15 maybe).It said the reasons to obey the Acts15 command is not because of the idol or the meat but among other reasons for conscience sake.the v11 says disobedience could cause the weak brother to perish.Imagine if I said someone can perish for just eating meat or wearing trousers?well.I'm yet to say it but that verse says something like that.several other scriptures warn against eating meat (offered to idols) so for you to say an encouragement to eat meat (offered to idols) justifies female trousers is not solid.

witness? ? ? lasiefaire? ? where you guys

i see no sin in wearing trousers,cos even christ wen he was on earth,did wore gowns,nobody on dis earth will ever stop me from wearing trousers,afterall those dat dont wear trousers are not better off than i am

Please can someone explain to me what is the Sin in a lady wearing trouser. I kn in the book of Deut it said a woman should not put on men clothing but what exactly is a man clothes because I kn that some xtain wear their brother's, husband T shirts or shirt. Also, women's trouser is different from a man's trouser. Again, in the time of our Lord, their was nothing like trouser, they wore gowns which is a woman's clothe today. I reckon the way it was sown was different from the way the women sowed theirs, but woman and men wore gowns in those days.

i think trousers should even be for female and gowns for men,

pardon me moderator,i know its a section for religion

,but a man wearing trousers has to pack his , watever well,so dat the trouser wont be too tight over there,but women wear trousers anyhow cos there's nothing bulging out down there dat requires packing,so guy are better off wt gowns cos they dont have to pack anything,or no b true i talk

i think trousers should even be for female and gowns for men,

*pardon me moderator,i know its a section for religion*
,but a man wearing trousers has to pack his , watever well,so that the trouser wont be too tight over there,but women wear trousers anyhow because there's nothing bulging out down there that requires packing,so guy are better off wt gowns because they don't have to pack anything,or no b true i talk

Ok,this thread has got to be the most hilarious one of late.
God and women's trousers!Hahaha! I am rolling on the floor!

There is this place in the bible which says trousers should be sown/made for men.Do your research.Thats long long time ago, even before David's time i.e more than 500B.C.Thats a little help,do the remaining homework