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Re: Family Planning/Population Control: An Islamic Perspective (For/Against?) by hayubee(m): 1:19pm On Mar 06, 2013
*Lies* don't deceive us, Allah swt said in d holy Quran: kill not your child in cause of sustainable for it is Allah that provides for you and your children.-suratul Nisai-. So don't think you can modernize islam cos islam is more modern than you think. Allah has said many things in d Quran 1400 yrs ago which science is jus comin 2 discover
Look the future leading economies are the most populous eg: india, china russia host of odas y cos dir makin use of dir population wisely!
Re: Family Planning/Population Control: An Islamic Perspective (For/Against?) by 1oracle(m): 2:00pm On Mar 06, 2013
nyere84: Who ask you dis rubbish u are spiting 4rm ur mouth?? If u dont knw wat to say, cant u shut dat gutter u called mouth??
Stop the abuse please. He is saying the truth. If not how come we have 10 million alamajiris in northern Nigeria?
Re: Family Planning/Population Control: An Islamic Perspective (For/Against?) by ashson: 2:46pm On Mar 06, 2013
I see nothing wrong in having many children, infact its good to have a large family.

China is the most populous country in the world, and better still it is one of the most developed countries in the world.

Lets learn how to use human resources and come out with something better. abortion and killing innocent children is not the answer.

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Re: Family Planning/Population Control: An Islamic Perspective (For/Against?) by royalistic: 3:36pm On Mar 06, 2013
Family planning is something that needs to be introduced into secondary school curriculum to get the information across to all starting from there cos its not all students that will study beyond this level and as such may not have the priviledge to know about it. Another important place to pass this education is churches mosque and antenatals for pregnant women. The importance is great particularly in the health of d woman whose health is majorly affected through child bearing. family planning enables u to have just the number of children u think u can afford to train without putting their neccesities into jeorpady cos of poverty, enables d woman to remain strong, elegant, remain in good shape and not losing her life through numerous child bearing process

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Re: Family Planning/Population Control: An Islamic Perspective (For/Against?) by free2ryhme: 4:01pm On Mar 06, 2013
scholar dis scholar dat cant Allah speak to you as a person ?..; nobody is a monopoly of God himelsf .. na wa ooo
Re: Family Planning/Population Control: An Islamic Perspective (For/Against?) by kunlej2: 5:32pm On Mar 06, 2013
i know an hausa man (driver. salary =#25,000) that has 4 wives and 33 children. besides, he is still counting and in late 50s
Re: Family Planning/Population Control: An Islamic Perspective (For/Against?) by digospel2: 5:54pm On Mar 06, 2013
Walexz02:
Ure statement here is nt clear. Are u saying that abortion is totally prohibite even when it pose a threat?

When there is conplication during pregnancy that led to evacuation of the embryo, that is not abortion because it is meant to save the Mother. Abortion is a deliberate, wilful or intentional termination of pregnancy by declaring it as unwanted which without apology forbidden by the Almighty God.
It is tatamount to murder and punishable in hell. If you are practising it, please repent else you will end up in hell burning with fire and brimstone.

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Re: Family Planning/Population Control: An Islamic Perspective (For/Against?) by deols(f): 6:16pm On Mar 06, 2013
digospel2:

When there is conplication during pregnancy that led to evacuation of the embryo, that is not abortion because it is meant to save the Mother. Abortion is a deliberate, wilful or intentional termination of pregnancy by declaring it as unwanted which without apology forbidden by the Almighty God.
It is tatamount to murder and punishable in hell. If you are practising it, please repent else you will end up in hell burning with fire and brimstone.

is that a medical or a lay man's definition of abortion? I asked because you used the word embryo.

Of course, no one should deliberately go on and abort a baby if not in danger. But can use contraception.

if contraception fails and pregnancy occurs, the baby must be kept. deliberate abortion is allowed only when the woman is in danger.

wa Allahu a'lam.

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Re: Family Planning/Population Control: An Islamic Perspective (For/Against?) by Ayoobscom(m): 6:20pm On Mar 06, 2013
Jazakalahu khairan @op..interesting and very educating.....from the very stage of ensoulment it becomes a murder...I will save this in my archives
Re: Family Planning/Population Control: An Islamic Perspective (For/Against?) by snubish: 2:09am On Mar 07, 2013
free2ryhme: scholar dis scholar dat cant Allah speak to you as a person ?..; nobody is a monopoly of God himelsf .. na wa ooo
not quite dear. Only trained scholars may interprete the scriptures. For it to be otherwise will be chaos. When you finish a chapter of any good educational book what do you see? A lot of references to contributing scholars. Same thing applies here. Simply being organized.
Re: Family Planning/Population Control: An Islamic Perspective (For/Against?) by PENMIGHT(m): 7:35am On Mar 07, 2013
Bismillah. All praises to Allah. May He shower blessings on Muhammad Rasuululah. Allah says " So ask the people of Reminder(scholars) if u do not know". This matter bothers about Fiqh Waqi'(Contemporary Jurispudence),hence an issue that cannot be discussed without sound knowledge. Firstly,@OP Imam Gazaali as quoted in ur post do not expressly allow the concept of Family Planning through use of Contraceptives. Even though scholars differ greatly on this issue, the numbers of those that are against it far outnumber those in support.Here is a concise positions of Scholars on preventing pregnancy EVEN AT THE NUTFAH(first forty days) stage: Al-Ramli said in Nihaayat al-Muhtaaj (a Shaafa’i book) (8/442): al-Muhibb al-Tabari said: The scholars differed concerning the nutfah before forty days, and there are two views. It was said that it is not proven that it comes under the same ruling as abortion and infanticide, and it was said that it is protected and it is not permissible to harm it, and it should not be expelled after it has settled in the womb, unlike ‘azl (coitus interruptus) which occurs before it reaches the womb. Al-Ghazaali referred to this matter in al-Ihya’ and said, stating that ‘azl is unlike the former case: This is not like abortion and infanticide because those are offences against a living being. The first stage of existence is when thesperm reaches the womb and mixes with the woman’s water, so harming it is an offence. If it has become an ‘alaqah or a mudghah, then the offence is more serious, and if the soul hasbeen breathed into it and it has become a human being then the offence is even worse. Then he said: It is unlikely that it is not forbidden. End quote.
Apart from the above the following are good reason why modern day family planning / Population Control are prohibited- (1) It is following the way of d kuffar-" he who imitate a group is part of them", "towards the end of time my ummah will follow d footsteps of d kuffar steps after other until if they enter the hole,they will follow'. (2) There are proven adverse effect of pills or injected stuff on the woman- Allah says-" Do not kill urself . To the best of knowledge available to us, Family Planning as propagated by the west as a means of population Control is pro
hibited. ALLAH KNOWS BEST!

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Re: Family Planning/Population Control: An Islamic Perspective (For/Against?) by snubish: 11:04am On Mar 07, 2013
^ right, but we are living in a western controlled political era, with its attendant socio-economic practices. There are no jobs; Muslims have become corrupt, dishonest just trying to survive. Muslim countries that are not oil producing are in a sorry state. Isn't it just expedient to live within your means as an individual, and for the state to plan according to its income/gdp? Is this really imitating the kuffar or being sensibly practical?
Re: Family Planning/Population Control: An Islamic Perspective (For/Against?) by tmama01: 1:48pm On Mar 07, 2013
well nice post but I wonder why some of the commenters use ds means to Insult our Northern brothers cos de re predominantly muslims ryt? Dat in itself is bad cos muslims are everywhere and this message is for all just the Islamic perspective. Thanks
Re: Family Planning/Population Control: An Islamic Perspective (For/Against?) by snubish: 11:33pm On Mar 08, 2013
Muslim jurists and abortion

Many Muslim scholars have discussed the thorny question of abortion. They have based their discussion on the division of the development of foetus into two stages. According to them, the whole period of pregnancy can be divided into two stages: the first 120 days, and the remaining period before childbirth. Most classical Muslim jurists claim that it is permissible to have an abortion for valid reasons during the first stage.
All Muslim scholars agree that the foetus changes to a human being after 120 days of conception. The following hadith also supports this point.

The Prophet (pbuh) said, "Each of you is constituted in your mother's womb for forty days as a nutfah, then it becomes an 'alaqah for an equal period, then a mudghah for another equal period, then the angel is sent and he breathes the soul into it."

This view of embryonic development was central to the Muslim arguments on abortion. According to Muslim scholars, it is lawful to have an abortion during the first 120 days, but after the stage of ensoulment, abortion is prohibited completely except where it is imperative to save the mother's life.

The Hanafi scholars, who comprised the majority of orthodox Muslims in later centuries, permitted abortion until the end of the four months. According to them, a pregnant woman could have an abortion without her husband's permission, but she should have reasonable grounds for this act. One reason which was mentioned frequently was the presence of a nursing infant. A new pregnancy put an upper limit on lactation, and the jurists believed that if the mother could not be replaced by a wet-nurse, the infant would die.

A considerable majority of the Maliki jurists described abortion as completely forbidden. In their view, when the semen settles in the womb, it is expected to develop into a living baby and it should not be disturbed by anyone. According to Ibn Jawziyyah, when the womb has retained the semen, it is not permitted for the husband and wife, or one of them or the master of the slave-wife, to induce an abortion. After ensoulment, however, abortion is prohibited absolutely and is akin to murder. [19]

Many Shafi'i and Hanbali scholars agreed with the Hanafis in their tolerance of the practice, some putting an upper limit of forty days for a legal abortion, others eighty days or 120 days.
Re: Family Planning/Population Control: An Islamic Perspective (For/Against?) by Nobody: 10:20pm On Aug 01, 2014
Dnt mind them,modenist muslims supporting birthcontrol when mothers life is not threatened,Allah specifically says he supported the Bani Israhil by multiplying them,giving them many sons,yet this ignorants thinks over population brings poverty,i tell you Allah is the only one that regulate this population we are sweating to control,he only knows how to control it however He wants,if you want to know what causes your poverty,ask BANKI MOON,THE ROYALS OF THIS WORLD AND THE EVIL CAPITALIST and ofcourse your ever corrupt politicians who mismanage all Allah gives you because you prefare not to fight while fighting is good for you,the end you get is unending poverty oppression.
hayubee: *Lies* don't deceive us, Allah swt said in d holy Quran: kill not your child in cause of sustainable for it is Allah that provides for you and your children.-suratul Nisai-. So don't think you can modernize islam cos islam is more modern than you think. Allah has said many things in d Quran 1400 yrs ago which science is jus comin 2 discover
Look the future leading economist most populous eg: india, china russia host of odas y cos dir makin use of dir population wisely!
Re: Family Planning/Population Control: An Islamic Perspective (For/Against?) by Nobody: 5:39am On Aug 02, 2014
All your reasoning stinks with kufr,modernist muslim,must you live in a crazy ribalised west?Alhamdullilah Allah's own salafi mujaheeds wnt stop defending his coursel.I say a big NO to all you said.
snubish: ^ right, but we are living in a western controlled political era, with its attendant socio-economic practices. There are no jobs; Muslims have become corrupt, dishonest just trying to survive. Muslim countries that are not oil producing are in a sorry state. Isn't it just expedient to live within your means as an individual, and for the state to plan according to its income/gdp? Is this really imitating the kuffar or being sensibly practical?
Re: Family Planning/Population Control: An Islamic Perspective (For/Against?) by Nobody: 5:46am On Aug 02, 2014
Tell them o.
digospel2:

When there is conplication during pregnancy that led to evacuation of the embryo, that is not abortion because it is meant to save the Mother. Abortion is a deliberate, wilful or intentional termination of pregnancy by declaring it as unwanted which without apology forbidden by the Almighty God.
It is tatamount to murder and punishable in hell. If you are practising it, please repent else you will end up in hell burning with fire and brimstone.
Re: Family Planning/Population Control: An Islamic Perspective (For/Against?) by Nobody: 5:50am On Aug 02, 2014
you are right jo.
maclatunji:

Really? I did not deduce that from the article. Maybe you should quote the relevant portion. In general terms, abortion should not be done unless it is a fruit of rape or there is a grave danger to the health of the mother. Otherwise, let the pregnancy be.

Abortion should not be regarded as a method of contraception.
Re: Family Planning/Population Control: An Islamic Perspective (For/Against?) by TheBigUrban2: 6:08am On Aug 02, 2014
Abortion and islam.


The Quran and hadiths have no mention on abortion. Yet, somehow, we are talking about an islamic view on abortion. No mention of condoms....the closest to it in the Holy books is the mention of "coitus interruptus".



Facts do not sit well with religionists
Re: Family Planning/Population Control: An Islamic Perspective (For/Against?) by TheBigUrban2: 6:09am On Aug 02, 2014
TheBigUrban2: 1) Laws against abortion do not reduce abortion- they only make abortions unsafe
Death from unsafe abortions is actually higher in countries that ban abortion



The issue here is that unplanned and unwanted pregnancies will happen. Banning abortion does not solve the problem. It is just reducing one solution for the women.



2) Preaching Abstinence does not work
Many christians and muslims like to preach about abstinence. They want people not to have s.ex before marriage. However, that is a lie- people will have sex before marriage even if they are believers. In fact, the bible belt states in the USA has more teen pregnancies than other states! A study actually found a relationship between teen pregnancy and religion!
http://www.theatlanticcities.com/politics/2012/04/teen-birthrates-are-way-down-still-high-these-states/1735/

Furthemore, research has found out that contraceptives and a general se.x education go a long way in reducing teen pregnancies.
http://www.salon.com/2012/04/15/abstinence_isnt_working/

Here in Nigeria, we preach abstinence while we know that older men are having their way with very young girls- even as low as secondary school girls. We preach abstinence while frowning on the use of condoms and contraceptives. Very sad.



3) Contraceptives and se.x education work better than abstinence only classes in reducing pregnancies/abortion
While this point has been hinted at in number 2, it is important just to reinforce it.

It is better for the youths to know the various issues surrounding se.x if they fall into temptation. Telling them not to have s.ex is not enough. They should be given advice on how to take precaution and actions if the find themselves in certain intimate situations.




4) Abortion is a women's rights issue and many developed countries have recognized this
Yes, a woman has the right over her body. What really gives a man the right to tell a woman what to do or what not to do with a fertilized egg in her body? Of course, there are caveats to abortion, just like every other right. No one is asking for women just to abort babies whenever they feel like instead, the pro-abortion women's rights movement is making an ethical argument for a rational discussion on abortion. Pregnancy affects women in various ways and they should at least have some say in a situation that would definitely change their lives
http://www.bbc.co.uk/ethics/abortion/mother/for_1.shtml



5) Pro-abortion or pro-choice campaigners realise that abortion is not the only solution for unwanted pregnancies

a) Before the pregnancy/precautions
-youths should be educated on se.x, contraception and pregnancy
-abstinence should be preached but with the se.x education
-youths should have some access to contraception, especially condoms

b) After an unwanted pregnancy (other solutions)
*first step is to meet a health counselor for proper advice
-giving the child to the parents of the mother/father to raise
-giving the child to an orphanage or foster care instituion
-giving the child to willing relatives
-keeping the child with an adjustment in lifestyle of the mother (after an assessment of mental, physical and financial stability)


If all the options in (b) are not viable, then abortion is the way forward
Re: Family Planning/Population Control: An Islamic Perspective (For/Against?) by BetaThings: 2:21pm On Aug 02, 2014
Akpaife: In hausa land barrow pusher dey marry three wives born 12 children n even plan 2 born more, dat why u see some piple go enter boko harm some go join bad boys
Explain to me why there are bad boys in the South including the SE which is predominantly Christian
Now try and explain the yahoo-yahoo prevalence in the South
Explain where these countries that have majority Christian populations are very very violent
Mexico, Colombia, Honduras, Brazil etc
Re: Family Planning/Population Control: An Islamic Perspective (For/Against?) by BetaThings: 2:29pm On Aug 02, 2014
free2ryhme: scholar dis scholar dat cant Allah speak to you as a person ?..; nobody is a monopoly of God himelsf .. na wa ooo
We are taught how to eat, drink, brush our teeth, drive cars etc
But according to you we should not learn how to relate with God
Nobody has a monopoly of knowledge of social etiquette, medicine, dentistry, art or even walking
But we need to learn to become proficient
That is why a new-born human cannot survive by him/herself
While a new born goat walks on the same day
Re: Family Planning/Population Control: An Islamic Perspective (For/Against?) by BetaThings: 2:32pm On Aug 02, 2014
TheBigUrban2: Abortion and islam.

The Quran and hadiths have no mention on abortion. Yet, somehow, we are talking about an islamic view on abortion. No mention of condoms....the closest to it in the Holy books is the mention of "coitus interruptus".

Facts do not sit well with religionists
Of course the Qur'an does
Crack it open and read it before you tell us what it mentions and does not
As regards facts, we are here
We are posting
The Qur'an warns us against killing our children due to fear of poverty
These are all facts
And we are proud of our religion
Alhamdu li Llah that we were created and given a book of guidance

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Re: Family Planning/Population Control: An Islamic Perspective (For/Against?) by BetaThings: 2:34pm On Aug 02, 2014
Gabrielsylar: Pls don't question God...let naija become 500million that's what god wants....
And insha Allah it will happen
I know that atheists want it reduced to 20million

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Re: Family Planning/Population Control: An Islamic Perspective (For/Against?) by BetaThings: 2:37pm On Aug 02, 2014
Frostyzone: To avoid being banned, please ensure that
your post is not offensive to Islam


[b]Really?



Do you need to offend anyone to get your point across?
However, it would be better to stick to the truth
What I see is this
To avoid being banned, please ensure that your post is not offensive to any religion

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Re: Family Planning/Population Control: An Islamic Perspective (For/Against?) by vedaxcool(m): 2:42pm On Aug 02, 2014
^
Chei!! Nl christians can lie, sharagada!!!!

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Re: Family Planning/Population Control: An Islamic Perspective (For/Against?) by TheBigUrban2: 5:17pm On Aug 02, 2014
BetaThings:
Of course the Qur'an does
Crack it open and read it before you tell us what it mentions and does not
As regards facts, we are here
We are posting
The Qur'an warns us against killing our children due to fear of poverty
These are all facts
And we are proud of our religion
Alhamdu li Llah that we were created and given a book of guidance


A child is not a foetus. There is no mention of abortion in the Quran.
Re: Family Planning/Population Control: An Islamic Perspective (For/Against?) by siddiq202(m): 5:59pm On Aug 02, 2014
BetaThings:

Do you need to offend anyone to get your point across?
However, it would be better to stick to the truth
What I see is this
Salam bro,

That post had been there before admin changed the warning to what it is now. Your point stand though. He doesn't need to be offensive before passing his message across.
Re: Family Planning/Population Control: An Islamic Perspective (For/Against?) by vedaxcool(m): 9:07pm On Aug 02, 2014
siddiq202:
Salam bro,

That post has been there before admin change the warning to what it is now. Your point stand though. He don't need to be offensive before passing his message across.

The guy was simply lying, it clearly now reads do not post . . . Religion, it has been so since last year if not more. Their art of telling barefaced lies is mind boggling.

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