anonymoux:

To explain the love of my creator, I am alive sound and healthy is that not enough reason that God(MY CREATOR) loves me? ? ?

InesQor:

Welcome, Frank.

Well I do not claim to have the answers, I just have some suggestions and I'm willing to share my perspectives.

Love provides, and love is not an inhibitor.

God's love provides:
Look around you today and you'll realize that almost all, if not all, the evil in this world exists because of man's participation. The world in its natural state is peaceful, healthy and serene as the Creator intended. The creation is designed to ensure its survival (just like you), so nature retaliates against man when it is threatened. These retaliations come in the form of new strains of diseases, environmental chaos and imbalances causing natural disasters. Man as caretaker of this beautiful planet is failing at his work, BUT the love of God for us in crafting this beautiful place is evidenced by the things in nature that man has not yet corrupted.

God's love is not an inhibitor:
Love builds up, it does not limit. Love provides alternatives so that the loved one is not inhibited. This is how God loved us, that he allowed us freewill to think, act or do whatever we want to. However, to each decision there is an end. And in his love, he will repay each person according to their decisions and their final ends. This act of repaying in itself is also an evidence of God's love.

Those two come to mind right away so I thought to share them.

musKeeto:
And when ur sick and dead, he doesn't?

InesQor:

Welcome, Frank.

Well I do not claim to have the answers, I just have some suggestions and I'm willing to share my perspectives.

Love provides, and love is not an inhibitor.

God's love provides:
Look around you today and you'll realize that almost all, if not all, the evil in this world exists because of man's participation. The world in its natural state is peaceful, healthy and serene as the Creator intended. The creation is designed to ensure its survival (just like you), so nature retaliates against man when it is threatened. These retaliations come in the form of new strains of diseases, environmental chaos and imbalances causing natural disasters. Man as caretaker of this beautiful planet is failing at his work, BUT the love of God for us in crafting this beautiful place is evidenced by the things in nature that man has not yet corrupted.

God's love is not an inhibitor:
Love builds up, it does not limit. Love provides alternatives so that the loved one is not inhibited. This is how God loved us, that he allowed us freewill to think, act or do whatever we want to. However, to each decision there is an end. And in his love, he will repay each person according to their decisions and their final ends. This act of repaying in itself is also an evidence of God's love.

Those two come to mind right away so I thought to share them.

InesQor:

Welcome, Frank.

Well I do not claim to have the answers, I just have some suggestions and I'm willing to share my perspectives.

Love provides, and love is not an inhibitor.

God's love provides:
Look around you today and you'll realize that almost all, if not all, the evil in this world exists because of man's participation. The world in its natural state is peaceful, healthy and serene as the Creator intended. The creation is designed to ensure its survival (just like you), so nature retaliates against man when it is threatened. These retaliations come in the form of new strains of diseases, environmental chaos and imbalances causing natural disasters. Man as caretaker of this beautiful planet is failing at his work, BUT the love of God for us in crafting this beautiful place is evidenced by the things in nature that man has not yet corrupted.

God's love is not an inhibitor:
Love builds up, it does not limit. Love provides alternatives so that the loved one is not inhibited. This is how God loved us, that he allowed us freewill to think, act or do whatever we want to. However, to each decision there is an end. And in his love, he will repay each person according to their decisions and their final ends. This act of repaying in itself is also an evidence of God's love.

Those two come to mind right away so I thought to share them.

frank3.16:


I don't quite get it, what I see here is u making comfortable assumptions to suit ur claim. Don't get me wrong I am not here to argue bt to get answer u a nagging question.
[b]How can u accept that natural desasters, sickness, sufferings are as a result of man's evil actions, but positive things or good thongs that happens are a result of Gods love. It makes no sense. If man is responsible for evil outcomes, he shuld also be responsible for good outcomes and not God.
[/b]How are we so ready to push evil and its outcome to man and push all positivity to God. Is man created to b evil?
Ok, if God is responsible for good he shuld also b responsible for evil.

Logicboy03:


What nonsense is this?

My life is a result of evolution that can be explained without supernatural causes. Try again.

The formation of planets including the earth have been explained without supernatural causes. Try again.



If you can answer a question, be like the scientists and atheists that say that they dont know. If you dont know what God's love is like, just say that yoou dont know. Dont give me a BS answer

Uyi Iredia:

No, your life can't be as a result of evolution especially when your evolutionists have not concluded on how life began. Even the proposed scenario of living organisms arising from macromolecules is fraught with difficulties such as the very specific conditions under which these macromolecules are made or the cross-reactions that will surely occur in a prebiotic soup. In fact, some of your precious evolutionists resort to chance so that we have a chance-of-the-gaps 'explanation'.

Uyi Iredia: I no longer believe the Christian God is one filled with love. For I can no longer ignore the brutality of killing a supposed sinless child in order to forgive a people. As an atheist rightly asked; why not just forgive ? Neither do I agree with the wiping out of villages and cities as documented in the OT or the extremely harsh curse in the garden for a crime. A God of love doesn't indiscriminately kill or punish those who had nothing to do with the crime as done in thwe garden or as stated when God said he punishes down to the 3rd and 4th generation of sinners. Put simply, I no longer believe (as I once did) that the Christian God is loving.

Uyi Iredia: I no longer believe the Christian God is one filled with love. For I can no longer ignore the brutality of killing a supposed sinless child in order to forgive a people. As an atheist rightly asked; why not just forgive ? Neither do I agree with the wiping out of villages and cities as documented in the OT or the extremely harsh curse in the garden for a crime. A God of love doesn't indiscriminately kill or punish those who had nothing to do with the crime as done in thwe garden or as stated when God said he punishes down to the 3rd and 4th generation of sinners. Put simply, I no longer believe (as I once did) that the Christian God is loving.

Logicboy03:


I didnt talk about the origin of life, I talked about the origin of human life- we evolved from a common ancestor with monkeys

Logicboy03:


Hallelujah!

Uyi Iredia:

No, we didn't. And the best evidence you can provide is circunmstantial evidence (DNA and bones) that can be interpreted anyway. And there is reason to be skeptical since HOW this evolution occurred isn't detailed. It is only said it happens. I think it absurd that an ape-like ancestor had to give birth to something other than it. And this MUST have happened if man evolved from ape-like ancestors.

Logicboy03:



Stop being ignorant of science. Evolution is one of the most tested theories in science. Denying it at this point is foolishness. How can DNA evidence be circumferential when it has consitently shown patterns between species and scientists can accurately predict certain structures in animals with it?

Uyi Iredia:

No. It is one of the most flimsy and poorly tested theories in science. Take human evolution for example it was assumed that a fused chromosome proves evolution and when a fused chromosome was found, it was forwarded as genetic evidence. Pathetic ! What was the basis for saying that ? Had it been shown that chromosome fusion was evident in all evolutionary processes ? The patterns you talk of are assumed. In fact, they are in conflict with those from morphological comparisons. I also note that you failed -as usual- to address other points I raised.

InesQor: @Uyi Iredia + Mazaje + Frank

Love means looking out for one's best interest. Man is limited and never sees the entire picture. Only God who sees all purposes and the outcomes of decisions, can be termed as all-loving. In my usage of "all-loving", some things that humans consider "wicked" may be included. Only God who knows all and sees all can understand, like a judge who having carefully considered all evidence, makes a decision. Even when the decision involves sentencing the person to death, or something else that may cause tears or be an unpopular decision with the media or general public.

The reason I say God is good is because I believe He is the harmony in creation, being the creator. Not because I expect fun positive vibes all the time.

Good means "well suited for a purpose". And who else knows what is suited for a purpose if not the Creator who also establishes harmony?

I once flogged this issue philosophically. "Meta Ethics: Good and Evil" or something. My first topic ever on Nairaland. I'm mobile now but I'll post a link when I can. Or else if someone can help, that'd be great.

striktlymi:


https://www.nairaland.com/402063/meta-ethics-nature-origins-good-evil

InesQor:
I think the real question is "What is good? What does it mean, and what does it entail?". As mortals we tend to think of good as "whatever favours me", but I guess its not like that on a cosmic scale. Here is the wikipedia entry on "good".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Good
Good as an adjective

* expressing usefulness (of objects, "good for"
* expressing expertise (of persons, "good at"
* expressing morality or altruism (of persons)

I believe none other than an initial creator can establish the usefulness, expertise and morality (accurate conduct) and altruism (selfless harmony) involved in the creation. The perfection of the creation may involve some elements that appear "evil" to us as men, but on the creator's scale, they are "good".

As you noted, this all hangs upon the PURPOSE of the creation, which is shrouded in great mystery. But only God, the creator, would understand this mysteriously shrouded purpose, and whatever he deems in harmonious consonance with that purpose is good, whatever is not is evil.

InesQor: @Uyi Iredia + Mazaje + Frank

Love means looking out for one's best interest. Man is limited and never sees the entire picture. Only God who sees all purposes and the outcomes of decisions, can be termed as all-loving. In my usage of "all-loving", some things that humans consider "wicked" may be included. Only God who knows all and sees all can understand, like a judge who having carefully considered all evidence, makes a decision. Even when the decision involves sentencing the person to death, or something else that may cause tears or be an unpopular decision with the media or general public.

The reason I say God is good is because I believe He is the harmony in creation, being the creator. Not because I expect fun positive vibes all the time.

Good means "well suited for a purpose". And who else knows what is suited for a purpose if not the Creator who also establishes harmony?

I once flogged this issue philosophically. "Meta Ethics: Good and Evil" or something. My first topic ever on Nairaland. I'm mobile now but I'll post a link when I can. Or else if someone can help, that'd be great.

ooman:

why are you stalking me?

anonymoux:

To explain the love of my creator, I am alive sound and healthy is that not enough reason that God(MY CREATOR) loves me? ? ?

Image123: Frank, are you also a christain?

InesQor: @Frank:

But you asked for my opinion. I never claimed to know it all.

Anyways, I must clarify; I am not one of the people in your analogy that praise God because they are hoping it will make him favour them. Trust me, I have experienced a whole lot in my few 28 years, so I know better. My love and belief in God is not born out of such a twisted form of emotional blackmail like you described, but has been forged and seasoned through diverse troublesome times. This has made my views so intense that you may consider me a Christian Existentialist and you won't be at all far from the truth.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_existentialism

Uyi Iredia: I no longer believe the Christian God is one filled with love.

Uyi Iredia:
For I can no longer ignore the brutality of killing a supposed sinless child in order to forgive a people.

Uyi Iredia:
As an atheist rightly asked; why not just forgive ?

Uyi Iredia:
Neither do I agree with the wiping out of villages and cities as documented in the OT

Uyi Iredia:
or the extremely harsh curse in the garden for a crime.

Uyi Iredia:
A God of love doesn't indiscriminately kill or punish those who had nothing to do with the crime as done in the garden

Uyi Iredia:
or as stated when God said he punishes down to the 3rd and 4th generation of sinners.

Uyi Iredia:
Put simply, I no longer believe (as I once did) that the Christian God is loving.

frank3.16:


honestly, i realy dont know. i believe in God, but i think we have succeded in building a God we want in our mind.

you can call me a christian, i am comfortable with it, but i have my own thoughts.

i dont argue on this because the world is too mysterious for me, i dont know anything. i just say what i feel and what i have observed. but honestly, no christian have made any serious meaning on this site,... at the end of the day we are all confused.

@poster, perhaps I am one of those pple seeking genuine answers. First I will like u to xplain further what u mean by the love of God? Honestly, looking around me, I don't feel his love. I don't want to go assuming, as in assuming that because I am alive or breath air that means it is hiss love. I see pple die everyday, go to hospital u will see sick pple, children die of hunger in millions, natural desasters everywhere, accidents, sufferings of all kind. How does this discribe the love of God? How do u just assume that u are feeling his love when u see all these things hapning around u?

If u are healthy, another is sick. Sometimes u are sick, another is healthy... Where does his love come in here? How long will we continue assuming?