Oh, by the way, let another "holy" man "counsel you"!

Chrysostom

"Almighty God, you have given us grace at this time with one accord to make our common supplication to you; and you have promised through your well-beloved Son that when two or three are gathered together in his Name you will be in the midst of them: Fulfill now, O Lord, our desires and petitions as may be best for us; granting us in this world knowledge of your truth, and in the age to come life everlasting. Amen"

"It is well to reverence both God and the bishop. He who honours the bishop has been honoured by God; he who does anything without the knowledge of the bishop, does [in reality] serve the devil."--St Ignatius.

Them even dey swear for us sake say we no accept the fraudulently claimed "authority" and "infallibility" (both rubbish!) of them Roman Catholic "popes"!

One I made earlier!

4. For this reason it has always been necessary for every Church--that is to say the faithful throughout the world--to be in agreement with the Roman Church because of its more effective leadership. In consequence of being joined, as members to head, with that see, from which the rights of sacred communion flow to all, they will grow together into the structure of a single body [48].

5. Therefore, if anyone says that it is not by the institution of Christ the lord himself (that is to say, by divine law) that blessed Peter should have perpetual successors in the primacy over the whole Church; or that the Roman Pontiff is not the successor of blessed Peter in this primacy: let him be anathema.

Oh and the other nonsensical claim of "papal infallibilty"

. . . we teach and define as a divinely revealed dogma that when the Roman Pontiff speaks EX CATHEDRA, that is, when, in the exercise of his office as shepherd and teacher of all Christians, in virtue of his supreme apostolic authority, he defines a doctrine concerning faith or morals to be held by the whole Church, he possesses, by the divine assistance promised to him in blessed Peter, that infallibility . . .

So then, should anyone, which God forbid, have the temerity to reject this definition of ours: let him be anathema.

By the way, the Church to which even Ignatius belonged ---- is now "anathema" too.

Enigma: Oh, by the way, let another "holy" man "counsel you"!

Chrysostom
you have promised through your well-beloved Son that when two or three are gathered together in his Name you will be in the midst of them

Amen! Amen! We Catholics believe Jesus is present in any community that gathers in his name. But we know that that community is not necessarily his Church.

For how can Jesus say to his "church?": "I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!"--Matt 7:23.

"I don’t know you or where you come from. Away from me, all you evildoers!"--Luke 13:27.

How can Jesus (the bridegroom) deny knowledge of his Church (the bride)?

How can the head not know the body?

This Jesus you are talking about is certainly not my Jesus...and that "church" is definitely not his Church.

"AWAY FROM ME! YOU LAWLESS PEOPLE!"--Jesus Christ.

italo:

Amen! Amen! We Catholics believe Jesus is present in any community that gathers in his name. But we know that that community is not necessarily his Church.

A community that gathers in Jesus' name and in which Jesus is present that is not Jesus' Church!

Utterly ludicrous and contradictory Roman Catholic idiocy!

italo: For how can Jesus say to his "church?": "I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!"--Matt 7:23.

"I don’t know you or where you come from. Away from me, all you evildoers!"--Luke 13:27.

How can Jesus (the bridegroom) deny knowledge of his Church (the bride)?

How can the head not know the body?

This Jesus you are talking about is certainly not my Jesus...and that "church" is definitely not his Church.

"AWAY FROM ME! YOU LAWLESS PEOPLE!"--Jesus Christ.

Of course He can be expected to say that to the Roman Catholic "Church" as I have demonstrated here and here

And I can yet produce more samples if/when required.

Enigma:

Of course He can be expected to say that to the Roman Catholic "Church" as I have demonstrated here and here

You are saying the Catholic Church gathers and performs miracles and casts out demons in Jesus' name...and is Jesus' Church?

Then how can he disown his Church?

Can the bridegroom disown the bride?

Can the head disown the body?

You are saying that Jesus is present in a community of two or three Christians gathered in His name, how can they then not be His Church?

And look at your self-contradiction with your "Away from me" nonsense!

How can He then disown the community among whom He is present?

The lies and fraud of the Roman Catholic "Church" have evidently clouded your reasoning and logic.

It is Jesus that said "away from me" (which you call nonsense) to people who gathered in his name (which you call "church") not me.

Take up your issues with him.

I just know my Jesus cannot neither deny nor desert his Church.

italo: It is Jesus that said "away from me" (which you call nonsense) to people who gathered in his name (which you call "church" not me. Take up your issues with him.

If you can find where He said it to the people ('two or three') gathered in His name, you should also be able to find where He said "away from me" to the Roman Catholic Church. And I do not call that nonsense.

italo: I just know my Jesus cannot neither deny nor desert his Church.

Of course the Lord Jesus Christ will not deny His Church of two or three gathered in His name. Hallelujah!

What do you call people who cast out demons in Jesus name?

Church or not.

My bet is you will not answer.

Look at this hypocrite saying "I bet you will not answer" --- after he earlier said "leave him alone bo"!

Yes, I will not answer; what are you going to do, call Police?

Meanwhile, what have you called "two or three gathered in Jesus name"? A "shop" -- that is what you have called them.

Except you now say that Jesus is present in their midst. Oh boy, how happy am I that Jesus is present in my "shop".

Hypocrite kawai!

See you later, Jero.

Ciao, crybaby.

Enigma: You are saying that Jesus is present in a community of two or three Christians gathered in His name, how can they then not be His Church?

And look at your self-contradiction with your "Away from me" nonsense!

How can He then disown the community among whom He is present?

The lies and fraud of the Roman Catholic "Church" have evidently clouded your reasoning and logic.

go back and read ignatuis. Just as there is no church without Jesus nothing should be done without the bishop.
There is no fraud there, the writtings are there for you see.

Chai! I missed this thread

^^^and what a miss!

Perhaps you could have helped us read and explain St. Ignatius.

Ubenedictus: go back and read ignatuis.

First of all: the Church to which the Ignatius that you are trying to rely on belonged is now "anathema" according to fraudulent and hypocritically two-faced Roman Catholics. (Edit: _{Deny this and I'll show you something else!} )

Ubenedictus: Just as there is no church without Jesus nothing should be done without the bishop.

When you find where Jesus Christ, the apostles or anywhere in the Bible says "nothing should be done without the bishop", call me!

Ubenedictus: There is no fraud there, the writtings are there for you see.

What Roman Catholics are doing is actually worse than fraud. It is undermining and going directly against the teachings of Jesus Christ! Anyway, as I said before, Roman Catholics esteem their "Church" and their "popes" more than Jesus Christ or the Bible.

^^^

Now you're saying the Catholic Church is not God's Church.

But anywhere that 2people gather in Jesus name is God's Church.

How? Do Catholics not gather in Jesus name?

^^^ U no dey cry off again?

And obviously, you still need deliverance from that comprehension problem. Maybe try the people of Cutlass Sharp Sharp Ministry!

Oh and deal with how Jesus can be present in a Christian community and yet that Christian community is not Jesus' Church!

Enigma: Look at this hypocrite saying "I bet you will not answer" --- after he earlier said "leave him alone bo"!

Yes, I will not answer; what are you going to do, call Police?

Meanwhile, what have you called "two or three gathered in Jesus name"? A "shop" -- that is what you have called them.

Except you now say that Jesus is present in their midst. Oh boy, how happy am I that Jesus is present in my "shop".

Hypocrite kawai!

you ar too insultive

^^^

Are you a Roman Catholic?

How many insults and even damnation did I myself receive?

italo: ^^^and what a miss!

Perhaps you could have helped us read and explain St. Ignatius.

It is possible.

Enigma:

First of all: the Church to which the Ignatius that you are trying to rely on belonged is now "anathema" according to fraudulent and hypocritically two-faced Roman Catholics. (Edit: _{Deny this and I'll show you something else!} )




When you find where Jesus Christ, the apostles or anywhere in the Bible says "nothing should be done without the bishop", call me!



What Roman Catholics are doing is actually worse than fraud. It is undermining and going directly against the teachings of Jesus Christ! Anyway, as I said before, Roman Catholics esteem their "Church" and their "popes" more than Jesus Christ or the Bible.

you brought up ignatuis, i decided to join you and you are crying about 'underming the teaching of Jesus', do you speak with two mouths?
Or maybe it is just because the anglican communion is truly protestant and has rejected the teaching of the says tradition is also a source of doctrine?

Enigma:

First of all: the Church to which the Ignatius that you are trying to rely on belonged is now "anathema" according to fraudulent and hypocritically two-faced Roman Catholics. (Edit: _{Deny this and I'll show you something else!} )




When you find where Jesus Christ, the apostles or anywhere in the Bible says "nothing should be done without the bishop", call me!



What Roman Catholics are doing is actually worse than fraud. It is undermining and going directly against the teachings of Jesus Christ! Anyway, as I said before, Roman Catholics esteem their "Church" and their "popes" more than Jesus Christ or the Bible.

you brought up ignatuis, i decided to join you and you are crying about 'underming the teaching of Jesus', do you speak with two mouths?
Or maybe it is just because the anglican communion is truly protestant and has rejected the teaching of the says tradition is also a source of doctrine?

italo: ^^^

Now you're saying the Catholic Church is not God's Church.

But anywhere that 2people gather in Jesus name is God's Church.

How? Do Catholics not gather in Jesus name?

he is speaking with two mouths, that is the only explanation

^^^ And the Roman Catholic Church is not speaking with four mouths? lol

Especially when Roman Catholics claim Ignatius but declare his Church "anathema."

Ubenedictus: you brought up ignatuis, i decided to join you and you are crying about 'underming the teaching of Jesus', do you speak with two mouths?

Is Ignatius' Church "anathema" or not?

Ubenedictus: Or maybe it is just because the anglican communion is truly protestant and has rejected the teaching of the says tradition is also a source of doctrine?

I don ask you to tell your Anglican supporter that the Anglican "community" is not a Church but a "community" (of heretics? - your word earlier); and that the Anglicans do not have "apostolic succession". Not only that their ordinations/orders are "absolutely null and utterly void."

Ya own two mouths no gree you tell am abi na muscle catch you for mouth?

Meanwhile, let me remind you of this!

Ubenedictus: Just as there is no church without Jesus nothing should be done without the bishop.

When you find where Jesus Christ, any of the apostles or anywhere in the Bible says "nothing should be done without the bishop", call me!

Enigma:

First of all: the Church to which the Ignatius that you are trying to rely on belonged is now "anathema" according to fraudulent and hypocritically two-faced Roman Catholics. (Edit: _{Deny this and I'll show you something else!} )

and what is your point? Ever since the times of nestorius local churches has been placed under anathema irrespective of their saintly and catholic bishops of the past. If antioch enspouse an anathemize heresy then she anathemize herself irrespective of whether or not ignatuis was once bishop of antioch

Enigma: ^^^ And the Roman Catholic Church is not speaking with four mouths? lol

Especially when Roman Catholics claim Ignatius but declare his Church "anathema."

just the same way a council claimed cyril and declear it church anathema. If the church enspouse heresy she is anathema. As simple as a b c

Enigma:

Is Ignatius' Church "anathema" or not?




I don ask you to tell your Anglican supporter that the Anglican "community" is not a Church but a "community" (of heretics? - your word earlier); and that the Anglicans do not have "apostolic succession". Not only that their ordinations/orders are "absolutely null and utterly void."

Ya own two mouths no gree you tell am abi na muscle catch you for mouth?

the last time i checked he didn't ask. You are now grasping straws