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| Re: From catholic To "Catholic" And Back To catholic! by Ubenedictus(m): 8:40pm On Sep 03, 2013 |
Enigma: Meanwhile, let me remind you of this!ignatuis did. And for non protestant christians tradition is consider a source of doctrine. It will be interesting if i didn't have to repeat myself. You should get glasses if you have a problem with your eyes. |
| Re: From catholic To "Catholic" And Back To catholic! by Enigma(m): 9:01pm On Sep 03, 2013 |
Ubenedictus: and what is your point? Ever since the times of nestorius local churches has been placed under anathema irrespective of their saintly and catholic bishops of the past. If antioch enspouse an anathemize heresy then she anathemize herself irrespective of whether or not ignatuis was once bishop of antioch Ubenedictus: just the same way a council claimed cyril and declear it church anathema. If the church enspouse heresy she is anathema. As simple as a b c And here the duplicity of Roman Catholic apologists and the fraudulent sham of Roman Catholic arguments exposed. 1. They say their church is called "Catholic" because Ignatius gave that name to the church: but they declare Ignatius' own church "anathema" 2. They say Ignatius was a "Catholic": but they declare Ignatius' own church "anathema" 3. They say Ignatius is the one who says we must do nothing without bishops: but they declare Ignatius' own church "anathema" Ubenedictus: the last time i checked he didn't ask. You are now grasping straws I never said he asked; I simply asked you to inform him.  And obviously, I am making fun of your uneasy alliance --- both sides of it. One side says to or at least of the other: 'you are heretics without apostolic succession and your ordinations/orders are absolutely null and utterly void!' And the other side says ......... (fill in the blanks)!   |
| Re: From catholic To "Catholic" And Back To catholic! by Enigma(m): 9:05pm On Sep 03, 2013 |
Ubenedictus: ignatuis did. Jesus Christ did not! The apostles did not! The Bible does not! None of these three says "nothing should be done without the bishop"! Ubenedictus: And for non protestant christians tradition is consider a source of doctrine. You follow your "tradition" and we are happy to go with the words of the Lord Jesus Christ Himself that where two or three gather in His name, He is there! And the Roman Catholic Church should stop being so idiotic trying to claim "jurisdiction" or "authority" over people who are following Jesus words over its "traditions". Edited |
| Re: From catholic To "Catholic" And Back To catholic! by Ubenedictus(m): 9:50pm On Sep 03, 2013 |
Enigma:are you saying that it is imposible for the church of antioch to fall into heresy after the death of ignatius? That is rubbish. Everything i explained is exactly on point, got back a do a little study. Just to be clear it wasn't the church under him that was anathemized. I never said he asked; I simply asked you to inform him.that is what i call grasping at straws, if you wish to discuss catholic attitude to anglican orders then open a thread on it. |
| Re: From catholic To "Catholic" And Back To catholic! by Enigma(m): 9:55pm On Sep 03, 2013 |
Ubenedictus: are you saying that it is imposible for the church of antioch to fall into heresy after the death of ignatius? That is rubbish. Everything i explained is exactly on point, got back a do a little study. All I know is that despite all its claiming of Ignatius, the Roman Catholic Church currently declares the Church to which Ignatius belonged --- "anathema"! And before you go defaming them (as is the way of the Roman Catholic Church) tell us what the Church of Antioch did to earn the anathema from the Roman Catholic Church. Ubenedictus: that is what i call grasping at straws, if you wish to discuss catholic attitude to anglican orders then open a thread on it. Nah, I am making fun of an alliance on this thread and the members of the alliance based on their own posts -- on this thread! |
| Re: From catholic To "Catholic" And Back To catholic! by Enigma(m): 9:56pm On Sep 03, 2013 |
Meanwhile, I repeat for good measure! Ubenedictus: ignatuis did. Jesus Christ did not! The apostles did not! The Bible does not! None of these three says "nothing should be done without the bishop"! Ubenedictus: And for non protestant christians tradition is consider a source of doctrine. You follow your "tradition" and we are happy to go with the words of the Lord Jesus Christ Himself that where two or three gather in His name, He is there! And the Roman Catholic Church should stop being so idiotic trying to claim "jurisdiction" or "authority" over people who are following Jesus words over its "traditions". Edited |
| Re: From catholic To "Catholic" And Back To catholic! by Ubenedictus(m): 9:58pm On Sep 03, 2013 |
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| Re: From catholic To "Catholic" And Back To catholic! by Ubenedictus(m): 9:59pm On Sep 03, 2013 |
Enigma:i didn't say they did, i clearly told you my source. You follow your "tradition" and we are happy to go with the words of the Lord Jesus Christ Himself that where two or three gather in His name, He is there!the last time a checked scriptures clearly show a church with both presbyter and bishops. Your 'church' without them is exactly that 'your church'. |
| Re: From catholic To "Catholic" And Back To catholic! by Ubenedictus(m): 10:04pm On Sep 03, 2013 |
Enigma:you brought on the issue of anathema, so you are ignorant of the stuff you've been talking about? |
| Re: From catholic To "Catholic" And Back To catholic! by Enigma(m): 10:06pm On Sep 03, 2013 |
Ubenedictus: i didn't say they did, i clearly told you my source. Your source is irrelevant to me ---- insofar as it contradicts the words of Jesus Christ Himself: where two or three gather in my name there am I! Ubenedictus: the last time a checked scriptures clearly show a church with both presbyter and bishops. Your 'church' without them is exactly that 'your church'. Show us where you find "pope" in the Bible? Show us who was the "bishop" of the churches that met in houses as the Bible referred to? Show us who who was "pope" and who was "bishop" of where during the Acts 15 council. |
| Re: From catholic To "Catholic" And Back To catholic! by Enigma(m): 10:09pm On Sep 03, 2013 |
Ubenedictus: you brought on the issue of anathema, so you are ignorant of the stuff you've been talking about? Of course you want to dodge! You forgot that you are the one who brought up the issue of heresy! So, what heresy did the Church of Antioch commit that made the Roman Catholic Church declare them "anathema"? |
| Re: From catholic To "Catholic" And Back To catholic! by Ubenedictus(m): 11:03pm On Sep 03, 2013 |
Enigma:what else can i expect from anglican, they claim to be 'catholics' and quote one church father, when you show them exactly what the church father wrote they run back with their tails behind their leg and ask you to explain sola scriptura showing that they are protestants. If you cant stand the church fathers why bother quoting them? 2 Likes |
| Re: From catholic To "Catholic" And Back To catholic! by Enigma(m): 11:07pm On Sep 03, 2013 |
^^ When you see your Anglican "friend", tell him that! |
| Re: From catholic To "Catholic" And Back To catholic! by Ubenedictus(m): 12:21am On Sep 04, 2013 |
Enigma: ^^ When you see your Anglican "friend", tell him that!the question at the end is forr you |
| Re: From catholic To "Catholic" And Back To catholic! by italo: 2:40am On Sep 04, 2013 |
@ Ubenedictus, You have said enough to prove him an envious pretender. We can now allow him "win" his war against the Catholic Church. A war that Emperors Nero, Diocletian, Martin Luther and the communists together satan couldnt win. 1 Like |
| Re: From catholic To "Catholic" And Back To catholic! by bizmahn: 3:10am On Sep 04, 2013 |
italo: @ Ubenedictus,He clearly won.Christ won,The apostles won,The bible won.Praise be to God. |
| Re: From catholic To "Catholic" And Back To catholic! by bizmahn: 3:17am On Sep 04, 2013 |
bizmahn:They'll certainly reply how come then the catholic thrives by holding the highest membership in millions & I'll reply how else can you explain the the world & hell holding multiple majority of sinners & only few get to heaven. |
| Re: From catholic To "Catholic" And Back To catholic! by italo: 6:07am On Sep 04, 2013 |
bizmahn: bizmahn: You were wrong about my reply though I respect you right to free speech that is guaranteed by democracy. My reply is: HOW DID HE WIN? |
| Re: From catholic To "Catholic" And Back To catholic! by Enigma(m): 8:02am On Sep 04, 2013 |
For anyone interested, there is a related thread that further shows that Roman Catholics are falsely/fraudulently claiming things done (or done mostly) by other people --- especially the Church/es to which people like Ignatius belonged. Eastern Orthodox - The Orthodox CATHOLIC Church https://www.nairaland.com/1254965/eastern-orthodox-church-orthodox-catholic |
| Re: From catholic To "Catholic" And Back To catholic! by bizmahn: 8:18am On Sep 04, 2013 |
Enigma: For anyone interested, there is a related thread that further shows that Roman Catholics are falsely/fraudulently claiming things done (or done mostly) by other people --- especially the Church/es to which people like Ignatius belonged.Ride on bros,you have full endorsement of Jesus on this one. |
| Re: From catholic To "Catholic" And Back To catholic! by italo: 8:48am On Sep 04, 2013 |
How does he have Jesus' endorsement. Please show me, that I might possibly convert. |
| Re: From catholic To "Catholic" And Back To catholic! by Nobody: 11:00am On Sep 04, 2013 |
italo: How does he have Jesus' endorsement. Please show me, that I might possibly convert. Protestants can claim anything in Jesus's name  Enigma and his crusade against the catholic church....Endorsed by Jesus (Navas) |
| Re: From catholic To "Catholic" And Back To catholic! by truthislight: 1:06pm On Sep 04, 2013 |
Enigma: Meanwhile, let me remind you of this! ^ That ^ is very funny indeed. |
| Re: From catholic To "Catholic" And Back To catholic! by Nobody: 6:54pm On Sep 06, 2013 |
I was born a CATHOLIC! I will live and living as a CATHOLIC and I will die a CATHOLIC
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| Re: From catholic To "Catholic" And Back To catholic! by mandarin: 10:20pm On Oct 09, 2013 |
Dearest sorry for digressing, I need your help on FTA .plssssssssssssssss |
| Re: From catholic To "Catholic" And Back To catholic! by Enigma(m): 10:45pm On Oct 09, 2013 |
^^ Ah bros, I never reach that side for a little while now! Is there a particular thread for yonder? Also, if it is FTA generally I should be ok but I'm quite behind on Naija FTA specifically at the moment; I don slack that one small. |
| Re: From catholic To "Catholic" And Back To catholic! by truthislight: 8:47am On Oct 10, 2013 |
Enigma: ^^ Ah bros, I never reach that side for a little while now! Is there a particular thread for yonder? Nna men! What is FTA naw ? |
| Re: From catholic To "Catholic" And Back To catholic! by Nobody: 11:47am On Oct 10, 2013 |
bizmahn:darkness is stronger than light? |
| Re: From catholic To "Catholic" And Back To catholic! by woky: 1:49pm On Oct 10, 2013 |
Enigma: ^^ When you see your Anglican "friend", tell him that!is obvious dat u ar confuse... Stil following the thread shaa |
| Re: From catholic To "Catholic" And Back To catholic! by Enigma(m): 10:56am On Oct 12, 2013 |
^^^ Ah, if you are "Stil following the thread shaa" (sic), here is a bonus for you . From online Encyclopaedia Britannica (Schools edition; see especially the last paragraph. "catholic, (from Greek katholikos, “universal”), the characteristic that, according to ecclesiastical writers since the 2nd century, distinguished the Christian Church at large from local communities or from heretical and schismatic sects. A notable exposition of the term as it had developed during the first three centuries of Christianity was given by St. Cyril of Jerusalem in his Catecheses (348): the church is called catholic on the ground of its worldwide extension, its doctrinal completeness, its adaptation to the needs of men of every kind, and its moral and spiritual perfection. The theory that what has been universally taught or practiced is true was first fully developed by St. Augustine in his controversy with the Donatists (a North African heretical Christian sect) concerning the nature of the church and its ministry. It received classic expression in a paragraph by St. Vincent of Lérins in his Commonitoria (434), from which is derived the formula: “What all men have at all times and everywhere believed must be regarded as true.” St. Vincent maintained that the true faith was that which the church professed throughout the world in agreement with antiquity and the consensus of distinguished theological opinion in former generations. Thus, the term catholic tended to acquire the sense of orthodox. Some confusion in the use of the term has been inevitable, because various groups that have been condemned by the Roman Catholic Church as heretical or schismatic never retreated from their own claim to catholicity. Not only the Roman Catholic Church but also the Eastern Orthodox Church, the Anglican Church, and a variety of national and other churches claim to be members of the holy catholic church, as do most of the major Protestant churches." |
| Re: From catholic To "Catholic" And Back To catholic! by Nobody: 9:47am On Nov 06, 2013 |
@Enigma Big bro, I hope you either see the email or come online soon. I need your attention as soon as you can manage. God bless you, big bro. |
| Re: From catholic To "Catholic" And Back To catholic! by Nobody: 11:04am On Nov 06, 2013 |
truthislight:FTA means free to air. Our big bros, is a satellite business mogul. 1 Like |
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